Men who hold open doors for women are SEXIST not chivalrous, feminists claim

digme

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among
workers of both genders in America and Germany.

and here's your typical feminist

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/15/article-2003821-0C66F77800000578-649_468x304.jpg


Why don't these women fck off to africa and see how they get on down there.

Mod added content:

Chivalry is really 'benevolent sexism'
DAVID MOLLOY

Traditional chivalry is a subtle form of sexism despite its “seemingly positive” qualities, according to the authors of a new psychological study.
The study, published in the Psychology of Women Quarterly journal, uses examples of “benevolent sexism” that include using “he” to refer to a person of unknown gender, helping a woman by carrying shopping bags, or offering to drive on long-distance journeys.

Such acts imply a woman cannot perform the task without help from a man, the report’s authors argue.
Other examples include paying for dinner, seeing a woman safely home and “paternalistic treatment” which they describe as “a woman being cherished or protected by men.”
The study asked both male and female students in Germany and the US to keep diaries of events in their lives. One group was specifically asked about sexist incidents, while another was asked about more general social interactions. Neither knew about the purpose of the study.
“Women endorse sexist beliefs, at least in part, because they do not attend to subtle, aggregate forms of sexism in their personal lives,” the report concluded.

“Many men not only lack attention to such incidents but also are less likely to perceive sexist incidents as being discriminatory and potentially harmful for women.”
The report’s authors said that “benevolent sexism” is not recognised as a problem, despite “its negative implications and consequences.”
“The seemingly positive and flattering qualities, embedded within normative and therefore unnoticed or unacknowledged unequal gender relations, hides the harm benevolent sexism can promote and encourages its endorsement,” they wrote.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0615/breaking31.html

mikemac

"can't touch this" on the placard

I wouldn't touch any of them!

g'em

digme wrote: »

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among
workers of both genders in America and Germany.

Says who? Study link or gtfo.

digme wrote:

and here's your typical feminist

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/15/article-2003821-0C66F77800000578-649_468x304.jpg

That's not typical 'anything' and has nothing to do with the discussion.

digme wrote:

Why don't these women fck off to africa and see how they get on down there.

Again, nothing to do with the price of bananas. Straw-man fail.

There's a thread lock imminent unless this picks up significantly.

TheZohanS

digme wrote: »

Men who hold open doors for women are SEXIST not chivalrous, feminists claim

Any woman that says that needs her head examined.

Seachmall

I hold doors for men too. Am I supposed to slam the door in their face as I leave?

Biggins

Read about this study from two sources.
To me, its a load of cobblers.

I'm not being sexist when doing such things, I'm just trying to be polite and a better person.

Sheeps

If I want to see feminist bull**** I'll watch "Midday" on TV3, thanks anyway.

Kojak

I thought this thread was locked??

Maybe the feminists thought it was SEXIST to lock it, so went out on protest....

Randy Shafter

I think this is what you are looking for: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0615/breaking31.html

Blazer

g'em wrote: »

Says who? Study link or gtfo.

Here ya go

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/love-sex/chivalry-is-actually-benevolent-sexism-feminists-conclude-2675272.html

I'm off to slam a few doors into women's faces and tell HR I was doing so completely out of respect to them and treating them as an equal.

bonerm

digme wrote: »

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among
workers of both genders in America and Germany.

and here's your typical feminist

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/15/article-2003821-0C66F77800000578-649_468x304.jpg


Why don't these women fck off to africa and see how they get on down there.

Doesn't say much for them when the best looking burd in that pix has a beard.

smugchik

Isn't this the 'slut walk' demonstrating women's right to wear whatever without being attacked?

Men who open doors for women are not sexist but well mannered. I expect it and always thank anyone who holds a door open for me. I also always hold a door open for the next person. Please don't let extreme feminism put guys off making an effort.

Eric Cartman

jesus I wouldnt touch any of them lot

ok ill let them have this one anyway , just one more thing I dont have to do

g'em

Sc@recrow wrote: »

I'm off to slam a few doors into women's faces and tell HR I was doing so completely out of respect to them and treating them as an equal.

Feminists =/= all women.

The feminists in the study =/= all feminists.

Generalisations make for very weak discussions on this topic.

Overheal

digme wrote: »

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among
workers of both genders in America and Germany.

Oh good, do you have a link for this? Or did you just post this nonsense so you could take a stab at Africa* and Feminists?



*not intended

bizmark

F*ck em


then hold the door open so they can leave while you play xbox

Spread

Are we talking wimmin here?

kfallon

Load of clitbags! :rolleyes:

Biggins

The Journal write up (with poll):
http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-is-chivalrous-behaviour-actually-just-sexism-156206-Jun2011/

AN ACADEMIC STUDY carried out in the United States and Germany has claimed that behaviour traditionally considered ‘chivalrous’ is actually a veiled form of sexism.

The study said that holding a door open for a woman, carrying her shopping bags, or offering to take over driving duties on a long journey is actually an indication that a man doesn’t think a woman can do the tasks herself.

digme

g'em wrote: »

Says who? Study link or gtfo.




That's not typical 'anything' and has nothing to do with the discussion.



Again, nothing to do with the price of bananas. Straw-man fail.

There's a thread lock imminent unless this picks up significantly.

study

It is typical,mostly well off western white women.Maybe you are not aware of the goings on in africa in terms of women and how they are treated.

It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[37]

Seachmall

Biggins wrote: »

The Journal write up (with poll):
http://www.thejournal.ie/poll-is-chivalrous-behaviour-actually-just-sexism-156206-Jun2011/

In fairness I've never seen a woman successfully open a door. All such attempts end in tears and menstruation.

Latchy

I dont give a fcuk who I hold open a door for as long as they say thanks

( deaf mutes can just give a thumbs up or polite wave )

The King of Moo

I hold doors open for both men and women if they're not too far behind me.
It's nothing to do with gender, just basic good manners.

Haelium

I hold the door for everybody though?

**** it, feminists deserve a punch in the face, and normal women deserve the same respect as men, but the understanding that they are physically inferior and thus may need help lifting **** and making unfair to fight one.

I'm sure somebody will argue with what I said though, common sense is the leprosy of the internet.

Guill

I hold doors for men and women!

Does these mean i'm Bi-sexist?

I may tell my parents!

Mr Freeze

digme wrote: »

Men who hold open doors for women are SEXIST not chivalrous, feminists claim

And what would they claim if we didn't hold doors open?

I hold the door open for anyone, man, woman, child or beast, its just being courteous.

chin_grin

Right, ta!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSsLmwh0Vf0

DrumSteve

digme wrote: »

study

It is typical,mostly well off western white women.Maybe you are not aware of the goings on in africa in terms of women and how they are treated.

It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[37]

Hope they never have to read that.

_feedback_

Yeah, and women who don't say thanks to us sexists, are grumpy oul bitches!

Biggins

Haelium wrote: »

...common sense is the leprosy of the internet.

I like that phrase - I might steal it & use it in my writing.

Randy Shafter

I always thought holding doors for the ladies and helping with shopping bags was just common courtesy?

g'em

digme wrote: »

study

Thank you.

digme wrote:

It is typical,mostly well off western white women.Maybe you are not aware of the goings on in africa in terms of women and how they are treated.

It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[37]

Sorry but I still fail to see what relevance that has to this. Sexism in one country (and ftr I don't agree with the article) should be ignored because there are women being raped in another? They're two entirely different things, they're incomparable.

And what is typical exactly?

Nodin

digme wrote: »

study

It is typical,mostly well off western white women.Maybe you are not aware of the goings on in africa in terms of women and how they are treated.

It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[37]

So you did, as Overheal suggested "post this nonsense so you could take a stab at Africa* and Feminists".

Have you been attacked by an African woman lately, or is this just something you feel compelled to do for no discernible reason...?

digme

DrumSteve wrote: »

Hope they never have to read that.

They're just a bunch of hypocrites who have problems with their fathers.

Guill

Mr Freeze wrote: »

And what would they claim if we didn't hold doors open?

I hold the door open for anyone, man, woman, child or beast, its just being courteous.

Beast?

Kojak

The King of Moo wrote: »

I hold doors open for both men and women if they're not too far behind me.
It's nothing to do with gender, just basic good manners.

But the tone of this thread seems to be that good manners is sexist :rolleyes:

So we (i.e. men) should be as ignorant as fcuk and slam the door shut when we have gone through.

Dangerous Man

Feminists: They've ruined it for everybody.

digme

g'em wrote: »

Thank you.


Sorry but I still fail to see what relevance that has to this. Sexism in one country (and ftr I don't agree with the article) should be ignored because there are women being raped in another? They're two entirely different things, they're incomparable.

And what is typical exactly?

Don't be silly.How is opening a door sexist?If they want to champion women's rights,
then piss off and do it somewhere where it is nearly non existent.

we'llallhavetea_old

bitches be craaaazy

optogirl

Haelium wrote: »

**** it, feminists deserve a punch in the face

Most women & men I know are feminists in that they are on board with the whole women & men being equal thing. Some women hijack the idea and like to poo poo anything and everything men do. The majority of feminists would find this ludicrous.


*yeah that's right, I said poo poo:)

g'em

digme wrote: »

Don't be silly.How is opening a door sexist?If they want to champion women's rights,
then piss off and do it somewhere where it is nearly non existent.

I'm agreeing with the idea that door opening shouldn't be construed as sexist - hence the "I don't agree with the article" part.

But you can't dismiss it on the grounds you've given, because there are worse things happening elsewhere.

biko

I'm just going to go through this thread and ban sexists.
To be continued.

g'em

Sc@recrow wrote: »

I'm off to slam a few doors into women's faces and tell HR I was doing so completely out of respect to them and treating them as an equal.

Because not opening a door for someone is the same as purposeful aggression? Awesome argument.

Kojak wrote: »

But the tone of this thread seems to be that good manners is sexist :rolleyes:

No, the tone of the article.

Kojak wrote:

So we (i.e. men) should be as ignorant as fcuk and slam the door shut when we have gone through.

See above.

(I really don't know why I'm bothering though).

biko

Done for now.
Continue at your own peril

Gunsfortoys

we'llallhavetea wrote: »

bitches be craaaazy

How the **** is this sexist?

The poster is a woman!

J. Marston

Feminists need a good punch in the jaw.

Equality and all that.

Morag

/gods damn templock ate my post grrrrr

Good manners are not sexist.
Good manners does not equal chivalrous behaviour.

We are meant to show good manners and consideration to everyone.
Chivalrous behaviour was a code of conduct to stop knights 'being a dick' to those who were lesser/inferior to them.

Chivalrous behaviour for wooing women has no place in the modern workplace.
When out on a date I will graciously accept the guy pulling out my chair for me,
a male work mate doing that in the canteen would just be wrong.
Doing any thing in work which is beyond good manners and marks a person out as a woman and as other can be sexist.

Latchy

There is something wrong with society if people have to stop and think about everyday actions like opening or holding a door for somebody .

Psychiatrist '' tell me John, open up now and tell me , what's ails you ?

John on couch '' Well quack doc '' I held the door open for five people today but only three said thanks '' ............:eek:

Psychiatrist'' oh dear John ..eh right ..lets (£££££) expand on that a bit shall we '' ?

southsiderosie

I only read the article about the study and not the study itself but...

Maybe I am reading it incorrectly, but I'm interpreting this as the AUTHORS of the study are defining carrying heavy bags and such as 'benevolent sexism', not the participants, since one of their findings is that many women 'don't realize' they are being treated in a 'sexist' way (until it is pointed out to them).

If that is the case, it seems to me the issue here is the giant assumption about male behavior made by the authors that forms the basis for this entire 'study', not the beliefs of most women (or at least the participants). This suggests that perhaps the average woman is not so opposed to chivalry/sexism/polite behavior (depending on your viewpoint) as one might think.

Morag

J. Marston wrote: »

Feminists need a good punch in the jaw.

Equality and all that.

What a stupid statement.
Why it's almost like you are completely ignorant that there are men who are feminists.

Links234

Is it just me, or did the article mention NOTHING about holding doors open being sexist at all? I can't find any reference to it.

are we just having another thread to slur feminism/feminists? :rolleyes: