Travel Service 737 Landing - Certainly not 10/10!

radar0976

I know they say any landing you walk away from is a good one. Happened to catch this one on video in Cork over the weekend. It's not dreadful but I think you'll agree it's not great either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQMal1vFXoo

Cessna_Pilot

Looking at that windsock it was a stonking crosswind from the right, nice firm Boeing spec landing there.

radar0976

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Looking at that windsock it was a stonking crosswind from the right, nice firm Boeing spec landing there.

It was quite gusty. Looked like a bit of a struggle to get her stabilized on finals.

Bearcat

a normal landing on the 1000ft point in gusty conditions............why the kangaroo court?

IrishB.ie

radar0976 wrote: »

Bumpy approach and landing

Bearcat wrote: »

why the kangaroo court?

Nice play on words there.....;)

Bearcat

looking for a reaction.....:D back to thread....me thinks a normal landing for a tricky enough place.

IrishB.ie

Bearcat wrote: »

looking for a reaction.....:D back to thread....me thinks a normal landing for a tricky enough place.

Not meant like that at all........just wasn't sure whether you used those words intentionally or not.

sparrowcar

That's about as normal a landing as you will ever see :rolleyes:

globemaster1986

sparrowcar wrote: »

That's about as normal a landing as you will ever see :rolleyes:

Second that! Try a PA-28 in windy conditions lol

Kumsheen

That's a perfect landing.

radar0976

Oh for God sake. Alright! Sorry for posting it. Jeez!

Bearcat

radar0976 wrote: »

Oh for God sake. Alright! Sorry for posting it. Jeez!

don't take it too bad, we were only havin a laugh. In all seriousness the approach for 17 can be be a very sporty approach even in benign conditions. As you know that valley at about two miles out can cause real bad wind shear and then the hump on the touch down point on rwy 17 can catch you out......you can either bury the wheels into the hump or over shoot it and then you end up landing deep, not what you want if your on a medium size jet, wet rwy etc.

Cork is one place that deserves utmost respect.

radar0976

Bearcat wrote: »

don't take it too bad, we were only havin a laugh. In all seriousness the approach for 17 can be be a very sporty approach even in benign conditions. As you know that valley at about two miles out can cause real bad wind shear and then the hump on the touch down point on rwy 17 can catch you out......you can either bury the wheels into the hump or over shoot it and then you end up landing deep, not what you want if your on a medium size jet, wet rwy etc.

Cork is one place that deserves utmost respect.

Yes it sure does. As has been said many times before it was a questionable location for an airport. More of a political than an aviation decision evidently. Anyway that's a debate for another day.

McNulty737

I'd even say it looked like a good landing for those conditions - big misconception with people that a smooth landing is always a good landing and a firm landing isnt. Cork is a tricky airport, wind alignment is terrible always crosswind and a short runway, its a definately a place where you dont mess around and just put it down.

radar0976

McNulty737 wrote: »

I'd even say it looked like a good landing for those conditions - big misconception with people that a smooth landing is always a good landing and a firm landing isnt. Cork is a tricky airport, wind alignment is terrible always crosswind and a short runway, its a definately a place where you dont mess around and just put it down.

True. In many years spotting up there I've very rarely seen jets floating down the runway a bit. Almost always pilots plant it down as soon as possible. Particularly coming from the city as in this video. The runway also has a bit of a slope from that end down to where I was standing.

Bearcat

and then we have the fast moving fog approaches..............generally cat II low vis approaches are associated with high, slack winds and low vis.......not cork.....it could be overcast 100 feet there, the wind just in limits on the deck to do a low vis approach but you could be battling a 50 kt wind at 500ft in the murk.....granted the autopilot is flying it but the thrust variations sometimes require big inputs. You get then get to minimums where you disconnect the autopilot and the picture is all wrong re what you expect to see and what you actually see as the runway slopes away from you with 400m rvr. Very easy to make a dogs dinner of it here......think EIN buried it on a low vis approach many many moons ago with a 737-200....lot of damage due to heavy landing in low vis.

The again some clot of a business editor for the indo wrote the other day flying was an easy job......come to cork sweet heart and lets see you do this one.

sparrowcar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5prz1Ae5QM

The problem here is that after this video nothing shocks anymore

xflyer

Good landing but probably made the passengers teeth rattle, normal 737 landing. Years ago a friend who was a Ryanair pilot demonstrated a typical 737 landing, we were in Cessna 172! More like a crash! He was messing though.

But the 737 can be squirrely I believe, needs good pilot technique. Speaking to an Easy Captain lately, she told me that they streamed better stick and rudder new pilots into the 737s and the systems operators onto Airbuses. Real pilots fly 737s apparently!

alan85

I don't know why you mention the Boeing landing because as far as I can see he flared it nice at the end. Bit of wing down last few feet. Brought it in just nice I would say... Respect!

lord lucan

sparrowcar wrote: »

The problem here is that after this video nothing shocks anymore

I've seen video of some hairy landings at LCY but that takes the biscuit!:eek:

River Song

sparrowcar wrote: »

The problem here is that after this video nothing shocks anymore

Oh dear God! I thought some of my landings were hard in the past but WOW!

David086

This is like a roller coaster!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-R6ZBvFiBQ

Bearcat

xflyer wrote: »

But the 737 can be squirrely I believe, needs good pilot technique. Speaking to an Easy Captain lately, she told me that they streamed better stick and rudder new pilots into the 737s and the systems operators onto Airbuses. Real pilots fly 737s apparently!

load of sh!te says me. Airbuses can be pigs in bad weather re roll rates. A340 600 especially is a dog in rough cross winds re lateral stability. 737 is much better imo on those bad days re handling.

A320

Bearcat wrote: »

You get then get to minimums where you disconnect the autopilot and the picture is all .

Quick question,can ya not leave the autopilot connected and complete an Autoland once you have the Runway at DH?? or is it company SOPS etc??? it's just i remember the pilots telling us after a test flight they performed an autoland,now this was a perfect clear day at shannon.so am i missing something here

Wats_in_a_name

sparrowcar wrote: »

The problem here is that after this video nothing shocks anymore

Is that real?:eek:

xflyer

Bearcat wrote: »

load of sh!te says me. Airbuses can be pigs in bad weather re roll rates. A340 600 especially is a dog in rough cross winds re lateral stability. 737 is much better imo on those bad days re handling.

LOL, you would say that! I don't know myself as I fly neither. I defer to the experts and someone who has flown both. I can arrange that you the Captain meet at dawn with pistols if you like?

To be fair I have heard that the A320 can be a handful at times.

Growler!!!

You guys have Autoland??................you lucky, lucky ba%*ards:D.

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A320

Quick question,can ya not leave the autopilot connected and complete an Autoland once you have the Runway at DH?? or is it company SOPS etc??? it's just i remember the pilots telling us after a test flight they performed an autoland,now this was a perfect clear day at shannon.so am i missing something here

Not sure what your exact question is here.

If you are flying an Autoland approach you will leave the automatics connected until touchdown, assuming the runway/lights were visible by 50ft.
If they are not visible by the DA then you initiate a go-around.

If however you see the runway much sooner (800ft before DA for example) you will still continue with the CAT3 approach and commit to the Autoland. Or you should anyway!

A320

cheers,it was just clarity i was looking for on carrying out an Autoland that it doesnt have to be a low vis procedure and can be done anytime assuming you have your RVR's at DH if it is low vis and of course your aircraft is capable

so once you have an ILS approach you can do it anytime you want??

Bearcat

A320 wrote: »

so once you have an ILS approach you can do it anytime you want??

No........low vis procedures must be in force so the so the loc/ glide guidance transmission areas are not interferred with. If your doing a practice autoland, its prudent to advise atc also to be very aware of dodgy guidance.

Cork doesnt do good auto lands due to the nature of the undulating runway

A320

Ah cool thanks,so it's just a matter of asking for signal protection ie enforcing the holding points,nice one

homerjay2005

Kumsheen wrote: »

That's a perfect landing.

indeed, most baffling post in a long time on that thread....poster needs a few ryanair landings into dublin now and then...ive had about 20 in the past 2 months and some of them are really rough.

alan85

homerjay2005 wrote: »

indeed, most baffling post in a long time on that thread....poster needs a few ryanair landings into dublin now and then...ive had about 20 in the past 2 months and some of them are really rough.

Do you fly at all yourself? Ryanair landings are no different to any other airline. You're probably like most humans(sheep) and judge an operation on its branding.

Ryanair = cheap flights = low standards = rough landings.

If you do your research you'll see that the opposite is the case.

Wats_in_a_name

Best landing I've ever experienced was a FR one into Dublin. I'm a frequent flyer and normally don't notice landings good or bad. But with this one you couldn't even pinpoint the moment we touched down. Worst landing I've been on was a EI into JFK but nothing compared to the one sparrowcar posted!

Bearcat

every landing you can walk away from is a success! as a previous poster mentioned dont judge a brand by the landings and vica versa......some of the best operators going work with FR.

Trevor451

My guess is that the OP is just trying to get views for his video. I think the OP is a youtube partner so he gets money for every time he gets a hit on his video.

Nothing wrong with that landing at all :rolleyes:

sparrowcar

Wats_in_a_name wrote: »

Is that real?:eek:

Yep real alright. I think it spent a week on the ground for inspections after this.

veetwin

sparrowcar wrote: »

Yep real alright. I think it spent a week on the ground for inspections after this.

Underwear inspections?

pclancy

Its a common misconception that a nice soft gentle landing is a "good" one. You don't want to float halway down the runway so getting it nice and solid down on the ground is nothing to be ashamed of.

Wats_in_a_name

sparrowcar wrote: »

Yep real alright. I think it spent a week on the ground for inspections after this.

I've seen that before and always presumed it was fake. Its worse then my first few landing in a cessna!

280special

alan85 wrote: »

Do you fly at all yourself? Ryanair landings are no different to any other airline. You're probably like most humans(sheep) and judge an operation on its branding.

Ryanair = cheap flights = low standards = rough landings.

If you do your research you'll see that the opposite is the case.

Ryanair provide cheap flights alright but the problem isnt with "human sheep" judging the airline by its branding, its with some of the cabin crew who set their standards of customer service by that same perception of the branding !

I have only really came across two bad landings , one was an Aer Lingus which while it resulted in a very torrid approach wasnt that rough of a touch down, sufficient to say that the passengers broke into appreciative applause when we stopped !

The second was a Ryanair flight into Leeds-Bradford which was ok untill we started to approach. There were 6 of us on the flight , one of the guys is fortnightly traveller on this route and it was when he noticed that we didnt seem to be coming in from the normal direction that we started to wonder. This was confirmed by another guy who was sitting nearby. A few minutes later the aircraft made a very steep turn and after straightening out started a series of fairly wild skids with first one wing at 45' then the other. This went on for what seemed like an age before we leveled off and within a few seconds hit the runway. You can call it what you like but we HIT the runway. To be honest I genuinely thought that we had got through the last few minutes alive only to end up in a heap on the tarmac. There were a hell of a lot of suddenly religous people on thatplane after that. But it was the attitude of the cabin crew that really was the cream on the cake...people were complaining about what happened to be told, very rudely, to get off the plane. No one in the airport wanted to know.

Scary stuff to put in mildly not helped by that bunch of muppets that they have the neck to use as cabin crew on that night, remarkable how they suddenly were unable to speak English when the complaints started !

But then thats Ryanair for you , you get what you pay for , right???:mad:

Wats_in_a_name

Have to say I find Ryanair flight attendents brilliant most of the time. Never had any issues with them at all. US airways were awful but I think it was just the bunch I got.

Funniest thing to ever happen on a flight for me is on a EI to JFK. Half way across the Atlantic we hit some rough turbulence. Nothing really that special. The engine became quiet and I could hear the guy two rows in front say to his partner, we've lost an engine. Wife started panicking. She was too busy panicking to realise the engine was going full thrust again.

alan85

280special wrote: »

Ryanair provide cheap flights alright but the problem isnt with "human sheep" judging the airline by its branding, its with some of the cabin crew who set their standards of customer service by that same perception of the branding !

I have only really came across two bad landings , one was an Aer Lingus which while it resulted in a very torrid approach wasnt that rough of a touch down, sufficient to say that the passengers broke into appreciative applause when we stopped !

The second was a Ryanair flight into Leeds-Bradford which was ok untill we started to approach. There were 6 of us on the flight , one of the guys is fortnightly traveller on this route and it was when he noticed that we didnt seem to be coming in from the normal direction that we started to wonder. This was confirmed by another guy who was sitting nearby. A few minutes later the aircraft made a very steep turn and after straightening out started a series of fairly wild skids with first one wing at 45' then the other. This went on for what seemed like an age before we leveled off and within a few seconds hit the runway. You can call it what you like but we HIT the runway. To be honest I genuinely thought that we had got through the last few minutes alive only to end up in a heap on the tarmac. There were a hell of a lot of suddenly religous people on thatplane after that. But it was the attitude of the cabin crew that really was the cream on the cake...people were complaining about what happened to be told, very rudely, to get off the plane. No one in the airport wanted to know.

Scary stuff to put in mildly not helped by that bunch of muppets that they have the neck to use as cabin crew on that night, remarkable how they suddenly were unable to speak English when the complaints started !

But then thats Ryanair for you , you get what you pay for , right???:mad:

I've had two extremes with Ryanair. I booked two bags on to a flight to Dublin a few years back mistakingly thinking I'd get the baggage limit increased with two bags. My mistake. Ended up dumping few things and looking like the Michelin Man boarding the flight.

Another flight to Aberdeen. I was late for the flight. The lady at the desk in Dublin got me booked in. And at the boarding gate, on checking my boarding pass, I was greeted with first name. Generally, I have no issues with Ryanair staff. You get back what you give. You greet them nicely and you'll get that back I find. There isn't the same emphasis on quality and therefore you get what you might not expect of the 'airline' industry.

I can't fault Ryanair. I prefer cheap fares to smiles and s*it food to be honest. I got to Berlin two years ago for €0.04 return! Yes, 4 cent return...

AfterDusk

280special wrote: »

But it was the attitude of the cabin crew that really was the cream on the cake...people were complaining about what happened to be told, very rudely, to get off the plane.

No one in the airport wanted to know.

You had a hard landing in very difficult conditions............ What did you want them to do? Firm landings happen every day with every airline. Seriously, this is a major case of 'get over it'.

And, why weren't you leaving the aircraft?

Storm 10

I flew into Heathrow with Aer Lingus a few months ago and the landing was the worst I had for a long time, hit the ground with a very big bump and then right to left before rolling out, serious crosswind was the reason as we approached I was sitting on the left and the runway lights were straight ahead as I looked out my window so well done the pilot. Thats when they earn their pay.

The landing that was shown in Cork is excellent nothing wrong with it, dont know what the poster was thinking when he put it up. He should look at crosswind landings on u tube, the one in London City is awsome would not like to have been on board I bet there were some screams from the passengers.

Few hairy ones here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfQXnYKscB8&playnext=1&list=PL9C3D1B5B736F78BE

sparrowcar

Yaaaaawwwwnnnnn people complaining about Ryanair. Get the boat instead so?

This thread is about a purseived bad landing, not about how your €2 flight didn't give you good customer service.

Any DJ's in here feel free to change the record.

McNulty737

280special wrote: »

The second was a Ryanair flight into Leeds-Bradford which was ok untill we started to approach. There were 6 of us on the flight , one of the guys is fortnightly traveller on this route and it was when he noticed that we didnt seem to be coming in from the normal direction that we started to wonder. This was confirmed by another guy who was sitting nearby. A few minutes later the aircraft made a very steep turn and after straightening out started a series of fairly wild skids with first one wing at 45' then the other. This went on for what seemed like an age before we leveled off and within a few seconds hit the runway. You can call it what you like but we HIT the runway. To be honest I genuinely thought that we had got through the last few minutes alive only to end up in a heap on the tarmac. There were a hell of a lot of suddenly religous people on thatplane after that. But it was the attitude of the cabin crew that really was the cream on the cake...people were complaining about what happened to be told, very rudely, to get off the plane. No one in the airport wanted to know.

Scary stuff to put in mildly not helped by that bunch of muppets that they have the neck to use as cabin crew on that night, remarkable how they suddenly were unable to speak English when the complaints started !

But then thats Ryanair for you , you get what you pay for , right???:mad:

Sounds like a circling approach....bit tricky but highly unlikely you experienced anything close to 45 degrees of bank. Very short runway in Leeds, bad weather usually....again not a place you want to mess around, just put it down safely - if its with a bit of a thump so be it.

Blue Punto

Glad it wasnt this you saw

This deserves 10 outta 10 for keeping your attention

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPuSW7y1GCI&feature=related

280special

neil2304 wrote: »

You had a hard landing in very difficult conditions......Dont know what you describe as difficult conditions or for that matter where you got the idea that this took place in such conditions? ...... What did you want them to do? Firm landings happen every day with every airline. Seriously, this is a major case of 'get over it'. an apology or even a bit of sympathy would have been nice !

And, why weren't you leaving the aircraft? People were leaving the aircraft but many , not just my party, felt that at the very least the crew should be told of their unhappiness at what had occured and in a lot of cases the downright fear they had just suffered. Or dont you think they have the right to complain???[/QUOTE

280special

sparrowcar wrote: »

Yaaaaawwwwnnnnn people complaining about Ryanair. Get the boat instead so? Nope, just a different airline which doesnt land at an airport 90 mins travelling time from what is meant to be the destination city !

This thread is about a purseived bad landing, not about how your €2 flight ( making assumptions arnt we? It was fair bit more than E2 i can assure you! ) didn't give you good customer service.Wakey , wakey customers have the right to complain ,well unless , apparently it is to a Ryanair supporter...or a fan like yourself ! By the way Did you read my post ? doesnt seem so....what part of a very dodgy approach and a hard landing

Any DJ's in here feel free to change the record.Ohh i am sure Mr'Oleary will do that for you, once he has got through his " everyone is against us" phase !

top marks !!! I am sure your friend MOL will love you for this !

280special

McNulty737 wrote: »

Sounds like a circling approach....bit tricky but highly unlikely you experienced anything close to 45 degrees of bank. Very short runway in Leeds, bad weather usually....again not a place you want to mess around, just put it down safely - if its with a bit of a thump so be it.

If it was a circiling approach why the sudden steep turn ? is this normal ?

The swings could have been a small bit less , but it sure as hell felt like 45' !! We could see ground clearly out of both sides of the aircraft and we arnt talking about a distant horizon , we are talking about the ground pretty damned close to our track ! WX wasnt that bad either, some rain but nothing too nasty.