Murphy dismissal

harpsman

Anyone see this at game or on tv.Pretty soft dismissal in my opinion. Thought the linesman very poor given that it happened under his nose and looked very innocuous.
Why are GAA refs so weak that they always try to even up one decision with another.

dcr22B

Awful decision and compounded even more when he failed to send off the Cavan full forward in the 2nd half for clotheslining Karl Lacey.

premierstone

It was a pretty awful decision, but I dont think it was the ref, I watched it on BBC and they had a different camera angle and it seems the linesman is the oine who advised the ref to send him off, hopefully common sense will prevail and it will be re-graded to a yellow.

foggy

premierstone wrote: »

it seems the linesman is the oine who advised the ref to send him off, hopefully common sense will prevail and it will be re-graded to a yellow.

The linesman just happened to be Martin Sludden, from Tyrone. The team that Donegal will be playing next in the championsip!

harpsman

foggy wrote: »

The linesman just happened to be Martin Sludden, from Tyrone. The team that Donegal will be playing next in the championsip!

Presume you re taking the piss?

doc_17

yeah Sludden was the linesman but it wouldn't be unlike him to miss something that happened right under his nose

Kristopherus

Crazy decision, and if Sludden was involved, then, after last year's debacle in Croker, he should have some explaining to do:(

K-9

doc_17 wrote: »

yeah Sludden was the linesman but it wouldn't be unlike him to miss something that happened right under his nose

Murphy had been complaining to him about off the ball stuff.

Looked soft to me, definitely worth an appeal. The "tackle" on Lacey was far worse and only got a yellow.

DB10

It was a shoulder to the face, by the rules a red card. I'm not bothered about linesman conspiracy theories, it was the referee that pulled out the red not the linesman.

He made it awkward for himself giving a soft red card after five minutes to the home side.

dcr22B

DB10 wrote: »

He made it awkward for himself giving a soft red card after five minutes to the home side.

It was a red.

Even Howard Webb would give a red for something like that.................................oh wait

bruschi

DB10 wrote: »

It was a shoulder to the face, by the rules a red card. I'm not bothered about linesman conspiracy theories, it was the referee that pulled out the red not the linesman.

He made it awkward for himself giving a soft red card after five minutes to the home side.

were you not on the Meath/Kildare thread saying that red card was a laughable decision and a joke, yet here you say by the letter of the law Murphys was a red card and the first tackle where the Cavan man kicked out at his opponents chest was soft?

homerjay2005

DB10 wrote: »

It was a shoulder to the face, by the rules a red card. I'm not bothered about linesman conspiracy theories, it was the referee that pulled out the red not the linesman.

this, the tackle is shielded by poor camera angles, but the one directly behind shows a shoulder to the head. malacious? no, but still it happened and it probably was a read, no matter ho accidental it was. too many lads listening to the sunday game and looking for a reason to bash a ref..

DB10 wrote: »

He made it awkward for himself giving a soft red card after five minutes to the home side.

you serious? you wont see a more blatant red card this summer, he kicked him in the throat ffs......jaysus lad.

both decisions correct and probably should have red carded the cavan man at the end also, but gave a yellow.

dont blame the refs when players lose the run of themselves.

Browney7

DB10 wrote: »

It was a shoulder to the face, by the rules a red card. I'm not bothered about linesman conspiracy theories, it was the referee that pulled out the red not the linesman.

He made it awkward for himself giving a soft red card after five minutes to the home side.

You are joking aren't you?:eek: Last time I checked Kung Fu didn't come under the auspices of the Gaelic Athletic Association.

The Murphy incident looked a hell of a lot softer than the first one anyway. I've seen the incident but did he actually make contact with the face? I really couldn't make my mind up. However I've a feeling if that was done on a soccer field we'd be on saying the GAA is great and full of hard men and that soccer is for pansies.

Officials from a county that will be playing the winners of a tie should not be allowed to officiate the tie. I'm not saying its a conspiracy but it is a conflict of interest in any mans language and it's unfair on the officials themselves because there will always be speculation of conspiracies attached to decisions they make.

Kojak

The ref got the first sending off correct for Cavan. When I saw it first, I thought the ref had over-reacted but in second viewing he was 100% correct.

But the Murphy "incident" (if you could even call it that) wasn't even a yellow, never mind a red. If it was sludden that was behind the sending off, then there is a justifiable question as to whether he was thinking of his own county's prospects the next day. There was a referee from outside the province at Breffni park yesterday, but why wasn't there outside linesmen as well?

The 3rd tackle on Lacey was nearly the worst - how the cavan lad wasn't lined there I'll never know.

looseygoosey

the murphy incident was incredibly soft, dont know how the cavan man fell so easy holding his face and arse and everything, he should be the one sent imo .... getting too soft the game is...

J Cheever Loophole

Kojak wrote: »

But the Murphy "incident" (if you could even call it that) wasn't even a yellow, never mind a red. If it was sludden that was behind the sending off, then there is a justifiable question as to whether he was thinking of his own county's prospects the next day.

I don't know how you can be so sure about the Murphy incident. I watched the replays several times and was unclear as to whether or not there was a charge to the front / face of the Cavan player.

The linesman - I didn't even know it was Sludden - was a matter of yards away, with a perfect view. The ref should have consulted with his linesman in this instance, and if he did, and the red card was produced, then Murphy can have no complaints.

By the way, I'm no lover of Tyrone or Martin Sludden, but your comments, and what they imply, are out of order.

Lemlin

looseygoosey wrote: »

the murphy incident was incredibly soft, dont know how the cavan man fell so easy holding his face and arse and everything, he should be the one sent imo .... getting too soft the game is...

Next time you get a shoulder to the face from a fella that is 6 foot 5 and built like Murphy, I'll expect you to stand and take it like a man so

I agree it wasn't a sending off but the ref already had his eye on Murphy I'd imagine. I was at the game and Murphy was getting in the face of alot of the Cavan lads off the ball. The ref can't have missed this.

I hope it is oveturned but it was more the ref than anything the Cavan man done tbh. The early sending off (which was correct) meant the ref was under pressure to even it up.

dcr22B

Lemlin wrote: »

The early sending off (which was correct) meant the ref was under pressure to even it up.

Why should a referee be under pressure to even things up? I don't get this mentality amongst supporters of all sports.

The Cavan player rightly saw red and Murphy's challenge barely merited a yellow. No evening up necessary.

Lemlin, when you say Murphy was getting in the Cavan players' faces, I take it you mean goading for want of a better word. If the ref had a problem with Murphy, he should have pulled him aside for a quick word rather than overreacting to a pretty pathetic dive on your player's part. Fair enough there was impact but hardly malicious intent.

Lemlin

dcr22B wrote: »

Why should a referee be under pressure to even things up? I don't get this mentality amongst supporters of all sports.

The Cavan player rightly saw red and Murphy's challenge barely merited a yellow. No evening up necessary.

Lemlin, when you say Murphy was getting in the Cavan players' faces, I take it you mean goading for want of a better word. If the ref had a problem with Murphy, he should have pulled him aside for a quick word rather than overreacting to a pretty pathetic dive on your player's part. Fair enough there was impact but hardly malicious intent.

I agree the referee shouldn't be under pressure but all too often its seen happening in matches.

I think you're underestimating the challenge if you feel it didn't deserve a yellow.

I didn't see any dive tbh. Dane O'Dowd was caught in the face by a fella that is 6 foot 5. O'Dowd is about 5 foot ten to six foot so the top of Murphy's shoulder would be right around his face.

I also fail to see how you think hitting someone with the top of your shoulder in the face isn't malicious intent.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it was a red but any part of a player's body connecting with another player's face is at least a yellow.

dcr22B

I can only go on what I saw on the TV briefly so I may need to go back and have a look at it again.

K-9

Lemlin wrote: »

Next time you get a shoulder to the face from a fella that is 6 foot 5 and built like Murphy, I'll expect you to stand and take it like a man so

I agree it wasn't a sending off but the ref already had his eye on Murphy I'd imagine. I was at the game and Murphy was getting in the face of alot of the Cavan lads off the ball. The ref can't have missed this.

I hope it is oveturned but it was more the ref than anything the Cavan man done tbh. The early sending off (which was correct) meant the ref was under pressure to even it up.

If the first sending off hadn't happened I'd say it would have been a yellow, bit like the tackle on Lacey.

The game was over at that stage and the niggle was gone out of the game, it was a bit of a home town decision with Murphy after the first sending of and off the ball stuff afterwards, with him getting special attention.

harpsman

Lemlin wrote: »

I agree the referee shouldn't be under pressure but all too often its seen happening in matches.

I think you're underestimating the challenge if you feel it didn't deserve a yellow.

I didn't see any dive tbh. Dane O'Dowd was caught in the face by a fella that is 6 foot 5. O'Dowd is about 5 foot ten to six foot so the top of Murphy's shoulder would be right around his face.

I also fail to see how you think hitting someone with the top of your shoulder in the face isn't malicious intent.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it was a red but any part of a player's body connecting with another player's face is at least a yellow.

Maybe the little Cavan fella should pick on somebody his own size in future then. He did push Murphy first and was headin back for another go when Murphy shouldered him.
Bit pathetic to play the "dont hit me im only little" card after you start something with a big fella.

DB10

Murphy can have a good rest on his armchair while watching his team mates get beaten by tyrone...:D

Stupid stuff from him, then again it was the most exciting thing Donegal produced...:eek:

If they are that negative against Antrim and Cavan, I wonder will any player leave his half against Tyrone...

Pete_Cavan

harpsman wrote: »

Maybe the little Cavan fella should pick on somebody his own size in future then. He did push Murphy first and was headin back for another go when Murphy shouldered him.
Bit pathetic to play the "dont hit me im only little" card after you start something with a big fella.

Where are you getting that from? Reilly was moving out the pitch and Murphy blocked him and then hit him a shoulder straight on and because Murphy is so much taller he got him in the face. Reilly didnt "start something".

harpsman

DB10 wrote: »

Murphy can have a good rest on his armchair while watching his team mates get beaten by tyrone...:D

Stupid stuff from him, then again it was the most exciting thing Donegal produced...:eek:

If they are that negative against Antrim and Cavan, I wonder will any player leave his half against Tyrone...

2-14 in horrendous conditions without your best forward?

Youre dead right mate.Anything less than 6-25 is a ladies score imo.

Given that Cavan spent most of first half with EVERY player in their own half its a bit rich callin other teams negative.

Anyway best of luck in qualifiers.Always had a soft spot for Cavan.

harpsman

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Where are you getting that from? Reilly was moving out the pitch and Murphy blocked him and then hit him a shoulder straight on and because Murphy is so much taller he got him in the face. Reilly didnt "start something".

ok

premierstone

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Where are you getting that from? Reilly was moving out the pitch and Murphy blocked him and then hit him a shoulder straight on and because Murphy is so much taller he got him in the face. Reilly didnt "start something".

You must have a special tele :rolleyes: Reilly was the instigator and got hes ass handed to him.

DB10

premierstone wrote: »

You must have a special tele :rolleyes: Reilly was the instigator and got hes ass handed to him.

This isnt wwf son.

He shouldered a lad half his size in the face, got red carded and now will miss Donegals most important game of the year.

You have to own up and take responsibility to stupid decisions like he made.

Pete_Cavan

premierstone wrote: »

You must have a special tele :rolleyes: Reilly was the instigator and got hes ass handed to him.

Didnt need a tele, I was about 20 yards away.

harpsman

Jeez-awful bad losers round cavan way-despite all the practice

Mountainlad

I thought Sludden was from Armagh but never mind.

Never a red card. Its just like the Farrell incident. I didn't think it was a major issue but I'm getting worried. Are we really gonna keep sending amateurs off for a bit of shouldering? I reckon your man made a bit of a meal of it.

doc_17

Lemlin wrote: »

Next time you get a shoulder to the face from a fella that is 6 foot 5 and built like Murphy, I'll expect you to stand and take it like a man so

I agree it wasn't a sending off but the ref already had his eye on Murphy I'd imagine. I was at the game and Murphy was getting in the face of alot of the Cavan lads off the ball. The ref can't have missed this.

I hope it is oveturned but it was more the ref than anything the Cavan man done tbh. The early sending off (which was correct) meant the ref was under pressure to even it up.

Murphy isn't 6 foot 5 but lets not let facts get in your way.

Hammer Archer

To be fair on the linesman, there was another cavan player about to take the line ball and I'm presuming he was making sure he didn't encroach onto the pitch.
Definitely don't think it should have been red but if Brian Farrell's isn't overturned then there is zero chance of Murphys being overturned.

DDC1990

Common sense would say a Yellow Card (shouldn't have beenjostling with your man), but the rule book says a Red Card.

The fact that it was off the ball makes it slightly worse. He got him in the head, but the other two Cavan incidents were worse in my opinion.

Bencon

Must be embarrassing to be a Cavan man these days, your footballers are resorting to soccer style tactics, feigning injury to get better opponents sent off. BBC and RTE pundits all said it was never even a yellow card. Despite this they still got hammered. Not long since ye made a right show of yourselves in Croke park in the under 21 final either.

premierstone

DB10 wrote: »

This isnt wwf son.

Thats what I thought but then when I seen a kung fu kick to the chest and a classic clothesline on the MOTM I was confused, you can see where I got mixed up right............ or are you still choosing to ignore the assault on Lacey???

premierstone

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Didnt need a tele, I was about 20 yards away.

Specsavers then son cos the world and its mother saw the Cavan player start the whole incident and then wasnt able to handle it when Murphhy gave it back to him and ended up on the ground crying like a girl

TheBuilder

Never a red card, seen some ridiculous decisions form referees recently.

Murphy 6 foot 5? haha.

Minister Boyce

NOTE: The following message contains a large amount of sarcism.

I think that the referee who officiated at the Donegal v Cavan match is an is an outstanding official who gets on with the game and generally does not make any sensationalist decisions that would have his name splattered all over the media afterwards.....

Being serious though I do hope Murphy gets a reprieve and gets on with the footall and keeps the shoulders tucked away until they are actually needed as any defender worth their salt will do all they can to provoke him.

dcr22B

dcr22B wrote: »

I can only go on what I saw on the TV briefly so I may need to go back and have a look at it again.

Just watched it again there, the Cavan wing back started it by barging into Murphy and it was returned in kind (albeit slightly harder).

Pathetic sending off and par for the course from Fussy Duffy.

DB10

Bencon wrote: »

Must be embarrassing to be a Cavan man these days, your footballers are resorting to soccer style tactics, feigning injury to get better opponents sent off. BBC and RTE pundits all said it was never even a yellow card. Despite this they still got hammered. Not long since ye made a right show of yourselves in Croke park in the under 21 final either.

Not really. U21 All Ireland final? Agreed we were poor. Least we got there however, breezing past a quite poor Donegal outfit along the way to winning an Ulster title.

Ulster most successful side, by some distance. It will be a long time before Donegal catch up, 39 Ulsters to a pathetic 5.

Seems to be alot of jealously from Donegal these days. Watching that rugby they call gaelic football, with 15 men in their half must be taking its toll. They will never have the style, tradition or history that Cavan has.

Keep your blanket defense, and we'll do our own thing.

DB10

premierstone wrote: »

Specsavers then son cos the world and its mother saw the Cavan player start the whole incident and then wasnt able to handle it when Murphhy gave it back to him and ended up on the ground crying like a girl

You take a shoulder to the face hardman and see if you arent crying your poor little eyes out. I forgot you wear helmets for protection. Must affect the brain cells....:rolleyes:

Lemlin

This thread is descending into a farce, nothing but bitching and moaning from one side to another.

It wasn't a sending off. It was a yellow card offence. I don't think O'Dowd dived. Some so-called supporters on here can't even get his name right though calling him Reilly.

I said Murphy was 6 foot 5 going by Cavan radio. I was wrong.

That's me out of here.

DB10

I agree Lemlin. There seems to be a mix up between some our hurling brothers, mixed with wrestling style references.

I suggest they interest themselves in a rule book. Mind you even when the evidence is in front of them they will still not agree.

K-9

At least we can remember our All Ireland.

A U-21 AI final isn't that great an achievement, sure we'd one last year.

Minister Boyce

DB10 wrote: »

You take a shoulder to the face hardman and see if you arent crying your poor little eyes out. I forgot you wear helmets for protection. Must affect the brain cells....:rolleyes:

Yea poor seanie johnston took the full force of rory kavanagh's hand on his shoulder during Cavan's first attack of the game and fell like a sniper took him out in the stand..and michael lyng (despite being pleased at seeing him returning to football) took a fairly theatrical fall during the first half too. Even good old Val threw his tuppence worth into duffys ear when he was considering his options before giving murphy the road, it didn't exactly paint a picture of a Maor Foirne with any real class

Pride Fighter

Calm down, debate honestly and not with sarcasm. I'll leave this open, but will have no qualms locking it if you's cannot act like adults.

Pete_Cavan

harpsman wrote: »

Jeez-awful bad losers round cavan way-despite all the practice

I dont see how we are being bad losers, no one is suggesting that Donegal did not deserve their victory and every Cavan man will accept that they are a far superior team. Those cheap digs are the kind of thing you expect from soccer fans, most GAA supporters are above that.

Bencon wrote: »

Must be embarrassing to be a Cavan man these days, your footballers are resorting to soccer style tactics, feigning injury to get better opponents sent off. BBC and RTE pundits all said it was never even a yellow card. Despite this they still got hammered. Not long since ye made a right show of yourselves in Croke park in the under 21 final either.

More irrelivant digs, belittling what was was an amazing achievement by our under 21s this year. We are a small county, with and small population and a small player base yet we bet counties with more than double the population on our way to the final. It is a pity the lads didnt do themselves justice in the final but they were beaten by a better team. It is not at all embarrassing to be a Cavan man these days, I am thankful for the journey our u21s brought us on and follow the seniors with optimism more than anything else. Too many GAA fans these days act like their team owes them something.

As for the incident, if you watch the video again you will see Reilly ran a straight line, which was not in Murphys direction and it was Murphy who came across to meet Reilly. If you dont want to get sent off, dont go out of your way to shoulder a lad straight in the chest. End of.

rebel girl 15

Kojak wrote: »

The ref got the first sending off correct for Cavan. When I saw it first, I thought the ref had over-reacted but in second viewing he was 100% correct.

But the Murphy "incident" (if you could even call it that) wasn't even a yellow, never mind a red. If it was sludden that was behind the sending off, then there is a justifiable question as to whether he was thinking of his own county's prospects the next day. There was a referee from outside the province at Breffni park yesterday, but why wasn't there outside linesmen as well?

To say that is to question the integrity of any referee that goes out imo - when guys go out the do the line or to referee, they are most certainly not thinking about their own counties prospects. There does not have to be a referee from an outside province, or an outside linesman - Ulster council obviously thought it was okay.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

dont blame the refs when players lose the run of themselves.

read that in one of the papers today, and it is totally correct - the referees must punish the indiscretions of players

looseygoosey wrote: »

the murphy incident was incredibly soft, dont know how the cavan man fell so easy holding his face and arse and everything, he should be the one sent imo .... getting too soft the game is...

thats a yellow iirc, for feigning injury

K-9

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I dont see how we are being bad losers, no one is suggesting that Donegal did not deserve their victory and every Cavan man will accept that they are a far superior team. Those cheap digs are the kind of thing you expect from soccer fans, most GAA supporters are above that.



More irrelivant digs, belittling what was was an amazing achievement by our under 21s this year. We are a small county, with and small population and a small player base yet we bet counties with more than double the population on our way to the final. It is a pity the lads didnt do themselves justice in the final but they were beaten by a better team. It is not at all embarrassing to be a Cavan man these days, I am thankful for the journey our u21s brought us on and follow the seniors with optimism more than anything else. Too many GAA fans these days act like their team owes them something.

As for the incident, if you watch the video again you will see Reilly ran a straight line, which was not in Murphys direction and it was Murphy who came across to meet Reilly. If you dont want to get sent off, dont go out of your way to shoulder a lad straight in the chest. End of.

It's always nice to see Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan, Fermanagh and Antrim having good under age teams, the other 4 counties tend to have a steady stream coming through and dominate.

Murphy generally doesn't get involved in off the ball stuff and he did seem to come in for special attention. I think he'll learn from it. I don't think there was serious intent in it unlike the tackle on Lacey. Even the Cavan sending off could be argued, but there is no debate on that yellow card.

premierstone

DB10 wrote: »

I agree Lemlin. There seems to be a mix up between some our hurling brothers, mixed with wrestling style references.

I suggest they interest themselves in a rule book. Mind you even when the evidence is in front of them they will still not agree.

lol ur so blind to it you cant even see that Lemlin is disagreeing with you, he has siad it was a yellow card offence and that the first red was a blatant read, and for the FIFTH time what.s your opinion on the assault of Lacey??