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Side arms; What/How do you carry & why?

  • 12-06-2011 4:40pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭


    Do you carry a side arm? If so, what do you carry? A pistol (GBB, NBB, Co2, Green/Propane, AEP etc), small SMG, or something else?

    How do you carry it? What type of holster do you use, and why?

    For me, I love GBB pistols, and so I usually carry one in an adjustable drop leg holster. I chose a drop leg because it's right where my hand falls, which makes for a very fast draw. I have it mounted on a belt rig, which keeps the holster up nice and high, which stops it from having a mind of its own (spinning around etc). I use an adjustable one because I have a LOT of pistols, and use various torches etc, so being able to change to suit is a major plus.

    That said, I am heavily considering the non-fabric holsters. Why? Well, fabric holsters are notorious for deciding that you no longer need the magazine in your pistol, and at the moment I use electrical tape to ensure mine doesn't try and 'help'
    I would like to remove the need for it.

    So, what do you use and why?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Tokyo Marui P226 non railed.

    Trijicon night sights, firefly hop, tk barrel.

    Holster? Blackhawk Industries belt mounted Serpa holster.

    Why? The pistol is simple, effective, and utterly reliable... my main requirement is that it fires each time, and every time. Ive had my sig 3 years, and it does the job fantastically.
    I've had:
    Tm m9 Biohazard special
    Tm Desert Eagle,
    Socom Gear MEU
    TM mk23
    Maruzen PPK/s (still have)
    We 1911a1
    Tercell 1911a1 (still have)
    Tm p226 (still have)
    KWA g19 (x2)
    cyma g18.

    Of all of them, (the ppk/s, and the sig, have been my stalwarts... utterly reliable guns, that keep shooting, and do thier job as a sidearm.

    Holsterswise, I agree with Inari.. ive never gotten on with fabric holsters, the kydex and plastic frame ones give you peace of mind that your mag will remain in the grip, not on the floor. A bit pricy, but worth it. I swear by serpas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,463 ✭✭✭Leftyflip


    At the moment Daz's old WE MEU - wonderful gun, excellent range. The holster I use is a belt mounted one, the one the Irish Defence Forces use. Yes, it's fabric, but its strong and haven't lost a mag from it yet - I love it.

    I do want a SERPA though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,166 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    KWA Glock 19- I love it, plastic slide model but it has a good kick and it was great stock but I put a Madbull black python barrel in it for a bit more accuracy, running 325 of a hot day, put a marked plastic slide and night sights on it too.. Iwouldn't change it for anything out there.

    Holster wise I've tried the generic drop leg and a Fobus, former was too wobbly, the Fobus held it more firmly, so firmly it took two hands to draw it:pac:. Just throw it in a radio pouch at the moment, looking to get a no frills hip holster for it, something like a leather pancake holster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,140 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    System 7 USP or my KJW 1911.

    Serpa holsters all the way, the only holster worth buying imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    I've had some very interesting conversations on the subject of holsters, mostly the serpa V fobus subject.

    Apparently the Blackhawk Serpa was designed for PMC work, not for extended use, and as such the durability is supposedly less than the Fobus. Having had no direct experience with either, I can't say which is more comfortable - but there does seem to be a divide down the middle; Fobus V Blackhawk/Serpa


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Apparently the Blackhawk Serpa was designed for PMC work, not for extended use, and as such the durability is supposedly less than the Fobus. Having had no direct experience with either, I can't say which is more comfortable - but there does seem to be a divide down the middle; Fobus V Blackhawk/Serpa

    sounds like a load of crap tbh, just two company's providing similar products together with safariland and other brands, tbh both have there up and down and different people prefer different brands

    tbh sounds like normal airsoft b******* campfire talk that comes out in the safe zone :)

    tbh had some good experiences with blade tech at the moment, i really like there locking system


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,061 ✭✭✭Arkslippy


    Taurus pt99 semi auto. I carry it in the front of my ciras vest in oone of the mag pouches, which it fits into fin
    e and the flap goes down over it well.

    I'm in two minds about the whole pistol thing from a skirmish point of view, I'd say in about 20 skirmishes I've used it about 3 times in game as primary weapon and its fine, but in an environment where everyone else can outgun, outrange and out rate even with the most basic aeg, its not a good plan.

    They are good fun, especially pistol only games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Inari wrote: »
    I've had some very interesting conversations on the subject of holsters, mostly the serpa V fobus subject.

    Apparently the Blackhawk Serpa was designed for PMC work, not for extended use, and as such the durability is supposedly less than the Fobus. Having had no direct experience with either, I can't say which is more comfortable - but there does seem to be a divide down the middle; Fobus V Blackhawk/Serpa
    Airsofter chatting a load of crap tbh.

    The serpa is designed for Military use, and is used by ussf, us general armed forces, and british armed forces... its tough, its reliable, and its really REALLY effective.

    Difference with fobus... is its a friction lock, like the frontline holsters. The gun is held in by tension, not a bar like the serpa... id say the fobus is more for upright work, like psd, or police, than the serpa, which actively holds the sidearm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 975 ✭✭✭CpcRc


    I started off with a CYMA desert eagle AEP, which is still one of my favourites today due to great accuracy and range (due to a great CYMA hopup), long battery life and full auto ROF. I know it's not true to realism with non blowback and full auto, but it's reliable and the full auto always puts a small on my face :D Can dump a mag in a few secs. It's also very handy for CQB because it's small and nimble.

    I used it with a regular belt holster designed for a desert eagle and had it attached to behind my back on the belt of my magazine chest rig. The pistol grip was facing out to my right side so if I ever needed to draw it I just had to reach to my back and draw it in one smooth action. It was a quick setup but I stopped using it for a few reasons.
    Firstly, I wasn't using my pistol enough to justify always bringing one out to games.
    Secondly, the AEP was actually too big for the holster (even though it was designed for it) so I couldn't close the strap. This meant that tension only held my pistol in the holster and while it never fell out in a skirmish I always was worried about it when running around. I had considered converting the hip holster to a drop leg for better stability but never got around to it.
    Thirdly, the AEP could only use it's own specific mags and not any other models like the other CYMA AEPs could. This meant that if I wanted to buy a spare mag I would have to look abroad, where it's still hard to find them, or buy another AEP so I'd have more than one mag. At 30 rounds it was a good capacity pistol mag but full auto can empty it very quickly.

    For a while I used to use a spare pouch in my chest rig to hold the AEP but while it was more secure, it was much slower to draw than the belt setup.

    My second setup was a used KWA NS2 USP compact in a dropleg holster which I got with it. This was a much more secure setup and worked quite well. But unfortunately I had to abandon this too for a few reasons.
    Firstly, the person who sold me the USP never gave me the hopup key so it always shot upwards (quite highly too) and therefore was not very useful as a sidearm as it's effective range was less than that of a regular pistol. Thankfully I eventually could turn down the hopup but there is no adjustment now but at least it can shot better now.
    Secondly, the USP had some minor feeding issues when I got it, probably because of the hopup set to maximum blocking BBs. This has been resolved when I fixed the hopup issue.
    Thirdly, NS2 or system 7, whichever you prefer to call it as KSC and KWA just use different names, mags are more expensive than regular mags and harder to find also. When I was using my pistol I did not have the money to afford spare mags because of this.

    So those are the two pistols and setups I have used. They both worked well but due to negative aspects I had to stop using them. In the future though I hope to acquire spare mags and use them again once issues are fixed.

    In fact, I'm hoping to maybe get a KWA PTP sig P226 in the future but will have to save up for mags also and a good holster setup. I might get a serpa after seeing the positive opinions of people in this thread on them, also PTPs are supposed to work well with them I think due to their dimensioning.

    Edit: I was considering a sawn off springer shotgun strapped to my leg or back for fun but I'm still on the fence about it :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,953 ✭✭✭goblin59


    I currently carry

    on my left side, the WE knight hawk in a belt holster,
    on my right the Socom gear m9a1 also in a belt holster

    and in a drop leg holster my more recent addition of a tanaka m500 revolver.


    My main reason for the amount of pistols is that im an ambi shooter and if i hold my rifle left handed and need to draw a pistol I dont want to have to reach across my body.

    The revolver is just for show really though as it can be a pain to quickly reload


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,551 ✭✭✭swiftblade


    KJW M9

    Shoulder or belt holster, sometimes a drop leg.

    Why? Because it's fun. It's also necessary when im a sniper.

    I use fabric holsters. Yea they're a pain in the arse, but i got used to them. So used, that im constantly checking to see is my mag still there, even when I do use a rigid holster. Never lost a mag yet :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 863 ✭✭✭MonkeyGuy


    Pistol: WE Wilson Combat Elite CQC 1911, sexy beast

    Holster: Milspex drop leg holster

    Beautiful pistol, not very efficient but does the job I need it to do, with style. Holster served me well for a good while, crawling along in prone not a bother. Went sprinting through nettles yesterday and felt something hit my leg, it was my mag. Luckily someone found it but I think I'll have to do an electrical tape job now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    Bog standard KWA Glock 17 (plastic slide). Still stock from the day I bought it about four years ago. Never a failure, never a jam, never a problem. Decent accuracy and power. I've got about a dozen pistols, but this is the one I use. It's ugly as sin and the most battered of all I own, but I'm not using it to look good. If I wanted something that just looks good I'd take my Maruzen P99.

    Glock is carried in a SERPA Level 3 on a SERPA dropleg panel.

    It's simple and it works. It's there when I reach for it and it doesn't wander around my leg. That's all I ask for in a holster really.


    The odd time I'll take a KSC USPc, usually sitting in an unused single-mag pouch, which makes for a much underrated holster for most guns (suits double stackers more than singles).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,226 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Right now I carry a KJW co2 1911a1 in a SERPA. I normally don't carry it though, it depends n the game and if I think it'll get used. Will always carry it if I'm doing DMR or carrying a bolty. Good for pistol only cames too since it shoots at about 315fps consustent with 0.2g and people usually like taking their hits off it.

    Am thinking of switching back to the USP compact system 7 for the warm weather though, the mags for the 1911 are giving me a pain in the face.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 305 ✭✭Sam Fisher


    Socom MEU or KSC Glock 19 (metal slide, Firefly rocket valve, Madbull 6.03 barrel) . Dropleg Blackhawk Serpa platform with various holsters. Love it. On the subject of Forbus, tried it, don't really like it. It scratches the paint off the slides from the friction hold. Agree with the universial frabic holsters, they don't like mags. Both pistols shoots good, consistant and accurate. I guess my sidearm is like a back up for me, and I want reliablity. I never load my mags to the max, I only hold 15 rounds in all my pistols no matter what their capacity is and I always carry two spare mags with me.

    In winter time, I use my KSC USP system 7. It does make a difference with their new cooling system. The stock USP came with a metal slide BUT with a plastic outer barrel.

    Redwolf did a video on various sidearms...

    http://www.youtube.com/user/redwolfairsoft#p/u/37/szBly3rkFkk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 592 ✭✭✭kieranfitz


    Not to s*** on everyone's serpa parade but....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCqk00SKBU&feature=channel_video_title

    As for what I carry, well atm nothing as I'm holsterless, though looking at an i.m.i. one. My old vest had an internal holster which carried my kwa 1911, in my other internal pocket I carried a five euro springer, tiny little thing, which I've since lost after moving to my molle vest. It was kept under my vest but it fell out during a game. Love 1911's in general, kind of looking at getting eithr a kjw co2 1911 or a we meu. Wouldn't mind a bap either but they all seem to have those bloody adjustable sights.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Private Snafu


    An S-Thunder M203 pistol with a heap of grenades for it :D
    Currently have it stuffed in a random pouch in the vest and the grenades on a belt system.

    Why? Because nothing can beat it in tight confined spaces. And with different rounds it suits many different situations :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Floodric


    Is it possible to get one of those solid holsters for a full size USP? I love the look of them and I'm not mad about traditional holsters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,757 ✭✭✭richieffff


    For my sidearm I use a KWA USP compact.

    I love this little pistol, it is my first and only, as it has yet to let me down on the field.

    I've carried and used it every single game I've played since I bought it in January and have used it as my only weapon when my 2 rifles broke on the same day and got a nice few kills with it.

    I carry mine one of 3 ways depending on where I'm playing.
    If I'm playing indoors its in a dropleg fabric holster, nice and easy to draw and because of the mag release being under the trigger guard theres no danger of the mag dropping.
    If I'm playing woodland its in either a utility pouch (surprisingly easy to draw) or in an empty mag pouch (only if the utility is full).

    Its helped me in too many ways to not bring it with me :D And its quite light on gas with 2 mags to a fill usually.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭T.C.


    I'm afraid I'm a bit of a tart when it comes to my pistols - I love them all too much to only field one all the time, though I mainly go with 1911-style machines. :) Love green gas pistols for the recoil and fun, can't really see the point of non-blowbacks for that reason...

    I used a generic dropleg for ages, because it cleared the bottom of the vest, but yes I did lose mags, and I had the one with the large flap to secure it (it was cheap, what can I say? :D ) and I looked and felt like a pillock with it.

    So I've made the investment in Serpa everything, and used it the last time out (dropleg panel and serpa for SIG p226) and was impressed by the usability.

    In regards to Fobus vs Serpa - I have to admit I kinda like the Fobus, as it draws very well from the belt, as per most of the modern pistol defence practices. The key is in how you adjust that retention screw, or at least in was on mine: the difference between good and bad was a fraction of a turn.

    So next time out, I'm likely to have my Kimber in the serpa dropleg, and my Detonics in another serpa mounted horizontally on my vest. (cos one pistol is never enough... :D )


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    One pistol is plenty if you're a good shot :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭whydave


    Kimber M1911 on dropleg panel and serpa, Glock 17 (GBB)or Glock 18c (AEP) and sometimes a H&K MP7. thats what I carry.Why ? cause it's a game and I can.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,984 ✭✭✭NakedDex


    kieranfitz wrote: »
    Not to s*** on everyone's serpa parade but....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUCqk00SKBU&feature=channel_video_title

    That's not a problem with the Serpa, that's a problem with the user. Same could be said for someone with an M203 and the safety off. Finger slips due to bad practice, *bang*.

    Though maybe that's just it; perhaps Serpa holsters are only for clever people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭T.C.


    Why ? cause it's a game and I can.

    well said sir.. :D

    ah Firekitten, I wasn't really intending to appeal to the sniper crowd.. :D. For the likes of CQB in the Arena, more pistols = more fun!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 688 ✭✭✭Captain Commie


    currently carry a Sig SP2022 in a fabric drop leg.

    looking to change the side arm and will eventually put it up for sale, when i can be bothered, looking at a we meu 1911


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭MerryDespot


    TM MEU 1911 in a leg mounted serpa.

    Why serpa? Because it's the only one I have a serpa for and when you're running around and crawling in bloody woods you can rely on the serpa to keep the pistol safe with the mag still in place.

    Why TM MEU? Because I've had almost all makes of pistols at one time or another and TM are just the best performers (other than in very cold conditions). Sure you can have some co2 pistol - but even on moderately cold days the TMs will still prove more accurate by a long shot.

    Recently picked up at TM FiveseveN and as soon as I get a serpa for it it'll get some use too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    KWA G26. I chose something compact because I would rather not have to use a holster. With the Glock I can fit it in the chest pocket or kidney pocket of my Gunfighter jacket when it's cold - this also helps to keep the mag warm. When I'm not wearing the jacket it easily fits in to an ammo pouch on my webbing. So I can carry it without having to add anything to the webbing and I know that my ammo pouches are about as secure as anything can get in terms of staying in place, not popping open and always being exactly where they should be.
    I do use have a Bulle ambidextrous holster for fitting on my MOLLE vest but I've never actually bothered using it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    I did sneakily hide my ppk in the rear pocket of my gunfighter jacket at cc3 :D my 'backup'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭MerryDespot


    Firekitten wrote: »
    I did sneakily hide my ppk in the rear pocket of my gunfighter jacket at cc3 :D my 'backup'

    Nice to know for future reference...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Main pistol is the KSC M9 system 7( far and away the best M9 out there :D), use it only with a serpa as I'm terrified of losing it...having crawled through tonnes of bushes and crap I can safely attest that the Serpa is indeed the dog's bollix.

    Second pistol is a WE M1911 which I strap into my blackhawk tactical vest...seems secure enough :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 986 ✭✭✭joe stodge


    kwa g18c with the 50 round mag in a holster on my belt. it is a beast of a gun and suits cqb fast paced games i play.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 323 ✭✭birdman 1979


    Mine, are a TM MEU, carried in a clone safariland. The MEU is a beast, nice kick, it has never jammed or let me down. Love it.

    The secound pistol i have is a ksc full size usp (System 7) . I have to get a serpa for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    I suppose I should answer my own question - I do warn you, the list is quite...long.

    Depending on where I'm playing, and what I'm using as my primary, my secondary varies.

    1911's
    - KJW 1911A1 (Co2): A gun known for its kick, and boy what a kick. It is one of the best, and certainly was the best. Performance wise it shoots straight, and is decently accurate; man-size target easily at normal pistol ranges, and when the hop is adjusted, quite a bit more. Definitely a skirmish side arm

    - KWC 1911A1 (Co2): Damn...just damn. This little beauty has just taken the crown for strongest kick. It employs two recoil springs; one on the barrel, and one on the standard spring guide. Performance wise it is not as accurate as the KJW version, but it's magazine is a nice trade-off - NO indication of the fact it's Co2. Certainly skirmishable, especially due to less bulky magazines

    - KJW 1911PD/KP-05 (Co2): Very much the same as the 1911A1, just with a double stack magazine, which is more stable than it's slimmer friend. Due to the enlarged hi-capa style of grip, the recoil is more controllable for accurate follow-up shots, and as a result the pistol feels like it has less recoil. Has a rail for adding accessories such as torches etc. Perfect for skirmishing

    - WE 1911/MEU (Green Gas): These pistols look great, and feel nice...but it ends there without some work. They have a strict diet of gas, and lots of it. Its accuracy is once again decent, but definitely less than that of the KJW & KWC. Man size target at pistol ranges are easily achieved, but getting more than that will usually require tuning in the way of other parts. Decent kick from it. Not the best, but certainly useable for skirmishing...not so much when it gets colder

    - KJW KP-06/Rail Concept (Co2): Deadly accurate, and extremely comfortable. It is a very friendly pistol, but has been designed for practical pistol. This makes it great for targets, but awkward as hell for a skirmish due to it's overall length. Strong recoil, enlarged magazine funnel (easier reload), lengthened slide release all make it a very nice piece...but it is not one I'd bring with me skirmishing - slide is too long, which makes for an awkward draw (front sight will snag etc). Possible to skirmish with...accurate and reliable enough...just a little cumbersome.


    M9/PT92
    - KJW M9A1/PT92 (Co2 Version): Takes both green gas and Co2 magazines; very comfortable to use, and shoots straight and accurately. Don't get me wrong, it's not pinpoint accurate, but certainly decent. Man-sized target no problem. Fantastic kick, one of the best. Comes with a rail, which makes it brilliant for adding accessories etc. Definitely skirmishable.

    - KJW M9 (Green Gas): No rail; no accessories. It is not capable of taking Co2 magazines, as a result the kick is alright, but no more than most. It shoots as accurately as the Co2 version, but just is not as much fun. Certainly skirmishable, but without the Co2 it's magazines are infinitely less reliable.

    - WE PT92 (Co2 version): No rail; no accessories. Takes both Co2 and green gas mags, although the kick remains the same in both. The WE Co2 magazines have no bumper, and the mags sit flush. Although it is not all good news, as to accomplish this they used a thin piece of aluminium which is prone to wear. Decently accurate, but not as much as the KJW version. Skirmishable; no question.


    Sig Sauer
    - KJW Sig P226 (Green Gas): Absolutely fantastic replica. It says it all when Sig Sauer (the actual RS manufacturer) sell the replica as a training aid. Weighty, and has decent recoil. The barrel length gives it decent accuracy. The sig design makes it a very utilitarian pistol, and the quality of the sig makes it more than skirmishable. Some improvements over the TM design, especially the magazine. It's one of the few green gas guns that does alright in the cold.

    - KJW Sig P229 (Green Gas): Smaller more compact version of the P226. Smaller barrel gives it slightly less power, and slightly less accurate/consistent. Its redeeming features include the ability to use the P226's mags for an extra round or two :) Certainly as skirmishable as the 226, if not more so due its compact nature

    - KSC/KWA SP2022 (Green Gas): The Sig Pro SP2022 is a beautiful polymer pistol with good recoil, and some solidly straight shooting. It feels fantastic, and looks like a 226, M9 and 1911 got it on - taken a lot of features from each. The KSC/KWA version of this pistol is a great piece, and not out of place on the skirmish field.

    - KWC SP2022 NBB (Co2): As above, although nowhere near as nice. That said the non-blowback makes it infinitely more economic, and also more reliable. For some this makes it more skirmishable than the GBB variant due to less noise, less moving parts etc...but it is not as accurate as the KSC/KWA version.


    FN
    - TM FN Five-SeveN (Green Gas): Unbelievably impressive piece. Without a doubt, this is literally the most accurate pistol I've ever owned, or ever shot. That includes the TM PX-4. The replica is amazing, and the ergonomics are fantastic, although not for the small-handed. I have always said it, and I'll say it again - this pistol is definitely a skirmishers side arm


    Beretta
    - HFC Cougar/M800 (Green Gas): A very nice compact pistol, capable of full-auto fire. The magazine is quite small, and as a result, so too is the gas reservoir. The pistol is comfortable to hold, and a joy to shoot. Accuracy wise it is decent, but not the most consistent due to the short barrel. Certainly skirmishable, but probably better suited to a back up's back up.

    - TM PX-4 (Green Gas): Possibly the most talked about pistol in recent times, the PX-4 is a beautifully ergonomic piece, with a nice crisp blowback, and a really nice feature of a working de-cocker. The pistol shoots deadly accurate, but just not quite as much as the Five-SeveN. The biggest advantage of this pistol is that you can adjust the hopup without a disassembly. Like the Five-SeveN, it is also a skirmishers piece


    Ruger
    - KJW Ruger Mk1 NBB (Green Gas): Quite an accurate pistol, but also rather loud. Unusual for a NBB. Although it is accurate, it has a long hard trigger pull, which affects both fast shooting, and shot-to-shot consistency. The other problem is that you need to use low pressured gas (134a), which is not exactly easy to come by. Skirmishable, but not recommended.


    Taurus
    - KWC Taurus PT24/7 NBB (Co2): One of the most comfortable pistols due to the rubberised grip. Very economic, and quiet enough. Decently accurate, and also quite compact - makes it a great piece for use in the field.


    Colt
    - Marushin Colt SAA Peacemaker (Green Gas): Let me get it out of the way and say a Single Action revolver is not exactly a skirmishable piece. A single action shell fed revolver is even less so, and one firing at under 200 fps is even less again. But god damn is it one b!tch!n pistol!


    CZ
    - Marushin Shell Ejecting CZ75 (Green Gas): As above. Literally.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 286 ✭✭walks86


    Taurus Pt99 full auto, Like arkslippy I use a magazine pouch on my vest...but i actually take up two of the internal ones on my right hand side....the vest is designed to hold 12 M4 mags in double pockets before you even add on more pouches (which I have) so the pistol is held in by the covers for the two slots which keeps it very secure and also means that the weight of the gun doesnt swing it all over the place...this gun is seriously heavy and was actually annoying to run with when I had it in a dropleg!

    realised I probably failed miserably to explain that so here is a pic to show:

    vest_holder.jpg

    I would be a big pistol user during games, find my m16 DMR is too bulky to be going into trenches/buildings with so do alot of crawling with the pistol. Also recoil off this puppy is fantastic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Mr. Tezza


    I always play with a pistol, i've had some good killa with it!

    its a USP .45 fullsize. (gas)

    When i first started playing i used a fabric dropleg holster but found it to move about a lot when running so i recently got a crossdraw vest which i like but now i'm after finding a SERPA type dropleg for the USP and i'm tempted to get that!

    wondering what it would be like to have 2 pistols???


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    Mr. Tezza wrote: »

    wondering what it would be like to have 2 pistols???
    Heavy.

    two pistols is a bit useless in my book. Unless one is tiny, and concealable as a last ditch weapon.

    Its far easier to have 2-3 mags for your sidearm, so you can actually fight with the thing, rather than it be your last ditch weapon.

    carrying two medium or large frame handguns is pointless...

    On occasion, I've carried a maruzen ppk/s as a 'oh bleep, im screwed' or 'when captured, break glass to raise hell' tool. Normally, i don't even think about two.

    Skirmishing effectively, is a fine ballence between what you NEED to carry, and what you want to. Less weight = more energy = move faster, stay alive longer. Weighed down with tactical mars bars, pistols out of your armpits, and every bit of molle encrusted crap flapping on you will make you a waddling duck.

    Remember airsofters, you are not John Woo. You cannot perform gun cata, and if you try, you will likely look daft, and get shot anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Firekitten wrote: »
    You cannot perform gun cata...

    I can, and have.

    And it looked wondrous.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭Floodric


    Mr. Tezza wrote: »
    I always play with a pistol, i've had some good killa with it!

    its a USP .45 fullsize. (gas)

    When i first started playing i used a fabric dropleg holster but found it to move about a lot when running so i recently got a crossdraw vest which i like but now i'm after finding a SERPA type dropleg for the USP and i'm tempted to get that!

    wondering what it would be like to have 2 pistols???

    Could you please link me to where ever you found it? Dying to get me hands on one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,475 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    I too have used two pistols.. one in front pocket of my vest and the other in my serpa holster on my left hip as I'm left-handed..
    I only do for CQB like Duhallow Hotel in Mallow (CQB site), with my main AEG hanging down and pistol showing in front on the vest it tends to lull people into relaxing their guard and then I take em out with the pistol in my left hand which I carefully kept hidden :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Mr. Tezza


    Floodric wrote: »
    Could you please link me to where ever you found it? Dying to get me hands on one

    Pmed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    I can, and have.

    And it looked wondrous.
    Wondrously silly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭The_ChiefDUB


    Firekitten wrote: »
    Wondrously silly?

    Perhaps. But wondrous none the less.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭Mr. Tezza


    slightly off topic but my hk 416 stopped working during our last game the last time i was out so was rocking out (in woodland) with my pistol, until the mag ran out so i robbed another guys pistol, eventually ended up with a G36! good times, but have to say going around wit a pistol felt really class!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭SgtBob


    Inari wrote: »

    <snip>

    FN
    - TM FN Five-SeveN (Green Gas): Unbelievably impressive piece. Without a doubt, this is literally the most accurate pistol I've ever owned, or ever shot. That includes the TM PX-4. The replica is amazing, and the ergonomics are fantastic, although not for the small-handed. I have always said it, and I'll say it again - this pistol is definitely a skirmishers side arm

    <snip>

    Completely agree. :)

    It's why I got mine :D and plan to use it as my skirmish side arm for a while to come.

    Current holster is a bulle ambidextrous holster on my vest or harness.

    Planning on getting a serpa though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭Firekitten


    I'm currently looking at new sidearms... my choices are, the above... the 5-7, Glock 19, Hudson Jherico 941, and USP... thoughts and opinions? personal experience?

    Whatever it is, is getting a serpa or fobus, so thats decided.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭SgtBob


    Firekitten wrote: »
    I'm currently looking at new sidearms... my choices are, the above... the 5-7, Glock 19, Hudson Jherico 941, and USP... thoughts and opinions? personal experience?

    Whatever it is, is getting a serpa or fobus, so thats decided.

    Can't comment on the Glock, Jherico or USP. I'm sure others can give their opinion on them.

    But I would definitely recommend a 5-7, its a really nice pistol. If you know anyone with one, give it a shot, you will be impressed. Will be my side arm of choice for the forseable future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭Inari


    Jerhico 941 is a NBB by KWC, if I recall, which means two things:
    1.) It will be reliable
    2.) It will not be the most accurate (clarification; accurate enough for what you need, but not sharpshooter stuff)

    The USP is another utilitarian pistol like the P226 - pure purpose-built stuff. I'd recommend the USP Tactical, as I hate the look of the compact. One thing I have been more than tempted with is the RA Tech steel slide for the KSC/KWA/Umarex USP Tactical.

    Glocks...I really don't like them, and as such have no real experience on them. I've shot a few different ones, and some are pure cack. But I'm sure if you get one from a good manufacturer you'll be sorted as far as reliability and accuracy are concerned. But I would definitely say reconsider...because it's ugly as sin :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭ronan keane


    I use a KWA M1911 But cant F*****g find mags for the B*****d


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 975 ✭✭✭CpcRc


    I use a KWA M1911 But cant F*****g find mags for the B*****d

    Would it be a KWA system 7 M1911A1 14 round mag you need like this one? I checked the website and it looks like a couple of KWA 1911 mags were discontinued from looking through the webpage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,418 ✭✭✭ronan keane


    CpcRc wrote: »
    Would it be a KWA system 7 M1911A1 14 round mag you need like this one? I checked the website and it looks like a couple of KWA 1911 mags were discontinued from looking through the webpage.

    KWA is NS2 :)


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