Eircom abandon broadbandatoz.ie and dsl rollout

Sponge Bob

Eircom have just abandoned their broadbandatoz.ie site...you know the one that showed yellow dots for the exchanges they promised to enable.

They have also abandoned their DSL rollout with ( I think) 30 or 40 of the 319 exchanges they promised to do in March 2007 left undone. In Galway I think the abandoned exchanges are Lettermore and somewhere in east Galway but Maree which was not on that list will seemingly be done...some eircom execs live down there no doubt

And to think of the poor eejits who dutifully paid over €1300 in line rental since that announcement as they waited for their broadband.

Big Lar

The privatisation of Eircom was one of the major failures over the years :mad:

lucernarian

Are you certain that they've also abandoned the rollout to some of the remaining exchanges? I had seen in the IrelandOffline thread that the site was taken down alright.

Sponge Bob

Up to 40 exchanges unfinished after 4 years and with no timescale, that means abandoned at this stage.

They did 4 since last september...probably the only ones with very little work remaining.

Meanwhile all the resources are gone into upgrading existing exchanges to handle DSL2 retail products under the NGN brand and to supply Ethernet services.

Since they abandoned the DSL rollout program with 40 odd exchanges yet to do they upgraded the following 90 exchanges to NGN since last september.

Crossagalla CGA
Knocktopher KTR
Muine Beag MBG
Ardfinnan AFN
Dundrum (Tipperary ) DDT
New Ross NRS
Garristown GAR
Summerhill (MH) SML
Bandon BND
Lemybrien LMB
Moycullen MYN
Lifford LIF
Caherdavin CHD
Ballymoneen BNN
Rochfortbridge RBE
Clogherhead CHH
Curragh Camp CUR
Termonfeckin TFN
Lanesboro LBO
Kildangan KDN
Rhode RDE
Ballinrobe BRE
Ballycoolin BNZ
Glanmire GMR
Bliary BLI
Carrigtwohill CHT
Macroom MRM
Carrigaline CGI
Dooradoyle LKD
Tuam TUM
Virginia VGA
Ferrybank FBK
Athlunkard ATD
Rush RUS
Ballinasloe BSE
Kinsale KSL
Donabate DBT
Ratoath RTH
Borrisokane BOK
Westport WST
Lawrencetown LWN
Carbury CRY
Five Alley FVA
Inch St.Lawrence ISL
Castlerea CRE
Mahon MAH
Cahir CHR
Donegal DGL
Douglas DGS
Carrickmacross CCS
Cavan CAV
Blarney BAI
Killaloe KLO
Monaghan MGN
Kilcullen KLC
Carrick-on-Shannon CKN
Wicklow WLW
Roscommon RCM
Rathedmond RTD
Ballybofey BOF
Longford LOD
Sligo HPO SGO
Tara TAA
Kells CSR
Tycor TYC
Wexford WXD
Trim TRM
Edenderry EDY
Gorey GRY
Hettyfield HYD
Shannon Town SHN
Ballina BLA
Galway HPO GAL
Dennehy's Cross DYX
Wexford Anne St. WXA
Thurles THS
Blessington BSN
Kildare KLE
Bridgend BGE
Midleton MDN
Newbridge DNU
CorkCentral CKC
Portarlington PAN
Oranmore OME
Tramore TRR
Dundalk DDK
Lucan LND
Ballincollig BNC
Kilcarn KIC
Kilcock KOK


Here is an example of how they ****ed people around. The Duagh exchange in Kerry is one of the abandoned ones as is Leitrim Village ( that is in Leitrim not Galway ) . A local posted on Damien Mulleys site in Feb 2009

Pete says:
February 27, 2009 at 3:22 pm

Having contacted Eircom many times about the upgrade for Duagh, the engineers saying the end of Jan/Feb and the list saying the end of Nov/Dec 08, I bit the bullet again and emailed them.

After waiting a whole week, I got an apologetic email saying their systems where having problems (not just the phone lines then!) telling me that we have been moved back to July this year.

I just wish they, as a company, would just stick to timescales they provide, and not move the goalposts. We are now moving house to an area with broadband, as I now need to concentrate my online business as a main income as work is slowly drying up.

It is a shame as Duagh is a smashing village, and more people would stay if facilities where available to them.

Poor lad was back some time later

Pete says:
July 20, 2009 at 12:15 am

After months of waiting, I emailed eircom again over their constant moving of time scales and got yet another reply. Here it is, from their ‘press’ team:-

Apologies for the delay in our response. Having consulted with our network engineers, I can confirm that the current provisional schedule for the enablement of the Duagh exchange is for the period July – September this year. I must stress that this broadband roll out schedule is a provisional schedule and is therefore subject to change. Enabling an exchange involves multiple processes including network upgrades, installation of DSL equipment, possible systems upgrades and a testing phase. All of these phases must be co-ordinated and completed before an exchange is ready to be enabled. Considering this, the provisional schedule is reviewed continuously. While I cannot provide an exact date at this time, I will continue to monitor the progress of the Hackballs cross exchange and provide you withan update over the coming months. Please check http://www.broadbandAtoZ.ie for regular updates on broadband rollout across the country.
Kind regards,
The BroadbandAtoZ Team

So still nothing new but at least I got a reply off them this time.

Finally

Pete says:
September 1, 2009 at 1:06 pm

Well after almost giving up waiting, I finally have a decent broadband service here in Duagh.

Despite yet another disappointing email from Eircom which they told me they are pushing Duagh back yet again to Oct/Dec 09 (and quite frankly I would assume that would get pushed back again because I believe they havn’t the money to do the work), and Vodafone not getting back to me over their antenna up the road, I got online yesterday with 3.

As part of the NBB scheme, 3 have enabled Duagh with the wireless modem, and I get quite a decent speed. (speedtest.net gave me a 3.1 MB/s score) so I am really happy.

Over to Leitrim Village

John says:
September 1, 2009 at 10:40 am

Still waiting for broadband in Leitrim Village, time scales been changed and moved every time for 3 years.
Eircom are a poor joke, I fully believe the engineers take as long as possible to complete these upgrades to ensure they have work on for the forseeable future.
I have spoken to several eircom employee’s and they acknowlged how slow the progress has been.
I have no faith in this exchange being enabled at any time in the next 12 months after the countless delays, it’s like living in a third work country the way things move here.
Nearly 2010 and no reasonable cost or service of broadband avail in a medium size town on outskirts of Carrick on Shannon

Sadly, he was reduced to talking to FF councillors in April 2011.

John says:
April 6, 2011 at 11:08 am

Latest update, but have heard this so many times in correspondence with Eircom so would expect to be adding another 5 years on top of this time frame.

Eircom confirms Leitirm village to be broadband enabled later this month « Go Back
Apr 05 2011

Eircom says it will be another few weeks before broadband is enabled in Leitrim Village.

It follows concerns by local Fianna Fail Councillor Francie Gilmartin that a number of businesses were planning to pull out of the town if the service was not put in place as a matter of urgency.

Sponge Bob

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan
Monksland

Leitrim:

Carrigallen
Cloone Leitrim Village

Sligo

Coolaney

Galway

Lettermore
Kilrickle

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 8

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh
St. Johnston

Monaghan

Annyalla
Rockcorry

Cavan

Cavan is complete
Abandoned Ulster = 8

MUNSTER

Cork


Ballycotton
Ballydesmond
Knocknagree
Knockraha

Kerry

Duagh
Scartaglin

Waterford

Ballymacarbry

Tipperary

Cloughjordan
Ballyporeen

Limerick

Bruree

Abandoned Munster = 10

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Hill of Down

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown
Coon

Dublin

Naul

Kildare

Calverstown

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 5

Abandoned Nationwide = 31 ( 10%)


Spare a little thought for the lucky residents of Ballylongford in Kerry

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/village-finally-gets-up-to-speed-2657103.html

25 May 2011 "We're delighted with this week's announcement," local County Councillor Liam Purtill said. "We have campaigned hard for this for many years and I clearly remember receiving a written report at a meeting in Listowel in which it was stated that Ballylongford would have full broadband by June 29, 2009.. but that came to nothing unfortunately.

And of course for eircoms lies, still in the google cache from 2008

Can you give me a schedule for the roll out of broadband to my constituency/county?

eircom has committed to a very aggressive roll out programme. To date more than 570 exchanges are broadband enabled across the country. In 2007, 110 new exchanges were broadband enabled and by the end of next year ( = 2009) more than 900 exchanges, representing 96% of the working telephone lines in Ireland will be connected to a broadband exchange.
If you have a query in relation to a specific constituency or exchange you should submit details to the Contact Us section of this website.

lucernarian

SB, I don't think the Readypenny exchange in Louth was enabled but I'm happy to be proven wrong on that.

I am certain however that the Oldtown exchange has not been enabled and there are no plans to do so, much to the consternation of people I know. I'm confused as to what lines in the village are served by Ballyboughal and which are connected to this exchange, some lines show up as amber due to distance from the exchange but quite a large number fail outright.

The naul exchange is only an RSU but eircom may have started moving lines in the village itself to this RSU. I had thought eircom had DSL-enabled it anyhow about 4 years ago. The general area is covered by Balbriggan which is quite a distance for a village which isn't particularly small.

Sponge Bob

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

SB, I don't think the Readypenny exchange in Louth was enabled but I'm happy to be proven wrong on that.

It isn't but eircom said they wouldn't do it.

The 31 exchanges listed above were promised in March 2007 and were supposed to be done by end 2009 or so.

By end 2009 70 of the 319 exchanges had not been done.
In June 2011 31 of the 319 exchanges are still not done.

A rump of c.250 exchanges , inlcuding Readypenny and Oldtown were never promised. Eircom maintained they were too small and/or too isolated.

Nationally we have 1200 exchanges. 920 upgraded, 30 abandoned, 250 ignored.

Headshot

Man it pisses me off to see dundrum has ngb and that isnt much bigger than golden ugh

They probably be doing the country a favour if they just went bankrupted

D'Peoples Voice

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Eircom have just abandoned their broadbandatoz.ie site...you know the one that showed yellow dots for the exchanges they promised to enable.

And to think of the poor eejits who dutifully paid over €1300 in line rental since that announcement as they waited for their broadband.

You're being a bit tough on Eircom,
unlike UPC who are wasting their money on upgrading their network for customers in order to provide them with a cheap but superior product,
Eircom are spending millions on behalf of their customers on advertising the Eircom brand such as at the GAA game between Leitrim V Roscommon today. There were no fewer than 6 Eircom advertising boards at this ONE game alone. I'm sure this scene will will be reflected across all the GAA games over the weekend. What more can Eircom be expected to do?

roast

D'Peoples Voice wrote: »

You're being a bit tough on Eircom,
unlike UPC who are wasting their money on upgrading their network for customers in order to provide them with a cheap but superior product,
Eircom are spending millions on behalf of their customers on advertising the Eircom brand such as at the GAA game between Leitrim V Roscommon today. There were no fewer than 6 Eircom advertising boards at this ONE game alone. I'm sure this scene will will be reflected across all the GAA games over the weekend. What more can Eircom be expected to do?

Epic!

eronayne

Hi,

Dont know where you are getting your data from but it is wrong.

10 days before your post, Hill Of Down and Ballycotton were launched on June 1st. These were the 929th and 930th locations to be DSL enabled.

Another post your said there have only been four exchanges launched since SEPT 2010, I'm counting eight since March 2011


Regards

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan
Monksland

Leitrim:

Carrigallen
Cloone Leitrim Village

Sligo

Coolaney

Galway

Lettermore
Kilrickle

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 8

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh
St. Johnston

Monaghan

Annyalla
Rockcorry

Cavan

Cavan is complete
Abandoned Ulster = 8

MUNSTER

Cork


Ballycotton
Ballydesmond
Knocknagree
Knockraha

Kerry

Duagh
Scartaglin

Waterford

Ballymacarbry

Tipperary

Cloughjordan
Ballyporeen

Limerick

Bruree

Abandoned Munster = 10

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Hill of Down

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown
Coon

Dublin

Naul

Kildare

Calverstown

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 5

Abandoned Nationwide = 31 ( 10%)


Spare a little thought for the lucky residents of Ballylongford in Kerry

http://www.kerryman.ie/news/village-finally-gets-up-to-speed-2657103.html




And of course for eircoms lies, still in the google cache from 2008


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Sponge Bob

Some of the last exchanges enabled were not on Broadband A To Z so I must restate the list. This was highlighted to me with thanks.

Frankly any exchange not programmed for 2011 must be deemed abandoned. Furthermore certain exchanges that existed in 2007 and were not programmed for an upgrade have been upgraded or are programmed for upgrade.

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges June 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^
Monksland^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Coolaney^

Galway

Lettermore *
Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 6
Programmed Connacht =2

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh*
St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^
Rockcorry*

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Connacht =2

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^

Kerry

Duagh^
Scartaglin*

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Cloughjordan^
Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 8
Programmed Munster = 1

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass*

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Naul *

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =2


Abandoned Nationwide = 19
Still Programmed = 7

trekkypj

Well, I've been waiting patiently for Coon exchange to be upgraded in Kilkenny for a looong looong time.
This is a post from 2006!

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=52125987&postcount=16

Five years on, still waiting...

Since 2007 they have kept promising from Q1 2009, Then it was Q4 2009. Followed by 'in three months' - now it's 'it won't be done in the next three months'.

It's terrible! You can't trust their word. We're only asking that they fulfil what they have committed to. 30 exchanges for crying out loud. They should ALL be DSL enabled - they are in the North.

And what kills me is that we have no UPC, no Vodafone, no Magnet, no Digiweb. It's eircom or nobody.

(3G doesn't count except for basic surfing - it can't even stream Youtube or do cloud services fast enough to be useable - Satellite is surely also unsuitable for these purposes because of lag issues)

I'm going to write a letter to Eircom's Network Department asking for a clear (non customer service propaganda) timetable to get it done. If they say they're not going to or it's not scheduled to happen any time soon, I intend to contact DCENR and my local minister Phil Hogan to bring this to their attention.

Eircom need to be forced by a new universal service requirement to deliver basic 2Mbps DSL to all customers, and fined heavily for every customer they fail to deliver to. It's the only way you can get them to do anything.

funnyname

Indeed

trekkypj wrote: »

Eircom need to be forced by a new universal service requirement to deliver basic 2Mbps DSL to all customers, and fined heavily for every customer they fail to deliver to. It's the only way you can get them to do anything.

Dazza

eronayne wrote: »

Hi,

Dont know where you are getting your data from but it is wrong.

10 days before your post, Hill Of Down and Ballycotton were launched on June 1st. These were the 929th and 930th locations to be DSL enabled.

Another post your said there have only been four exchanges launched since SEPT 2010, I'm counting eight since March 2011


Regards

Hey.
Im living in Ballycotton and our exchange is NOT enabled. It was mean to be done this week but the weather postponed it.
Just to let you know...

Sponge Bob

Darragh12 wrote: »

Hey.
Im living in Ballycotton and our exchange is NOT enabled. It was mean to be done this week but the weather postponed it.
Just to let you know...

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges June 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^
Monksland^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Coolaney^

Galway

Lettermore *
Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 6
Programmed Connacht =2

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh*
St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^
Rockcorry*

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Ulster =2

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballycotton*
Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^


Kerry

Duagh^
Scartaglin*

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Cloughjordan^
Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 8
Programmed Munster = 2

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass*

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Naul

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =2


Abandoned Nationwide ^= 19
Still Programmed *= 8

neiphin

eircon lied to me for 3 years
q1 next year, q3 this year , early next year, middle of this year, may/june next year

i have broad band now, but it they only upgraded the exchange after westnet had set up locally

Sponge Bob

neiphin wrote: »

eircon lied to me for 3 years
q1 next year, q3 this year , early next year, middle of this year, may/june next year

They signed up to spend €1.3m a year sponsoring the GAA

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0408/1224294220960.html

If they diverted the GAA sponsorship into finishing the upgrade program they would nearly clear that list this year alone, and certainly by next.

Persons in affected counties should have at the eircom signage in their county stadiums over the summer to make the point. Nothing eircom understand better than cans of paint applied on live television and banners held aloft where the signs should be.

Pearse park in Galway will have a connacht semi this weekend where the people of Lettermore and Kilrickle could make the point.

Onikage

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Pearse park in Galway will have a connacht semi this weekend where the people of Lettermore and Kilrickle could make the point.

Brilliant idea that will sadly not be realised.

johnnygman

I think they have abandoned exchange upgrades, strung us along for years. They told blatant lies.

keno-daytrader

Re: the Kilrickle east Galway exchange the Rep on the Eircom board claim its enabled but I dont think so, any number I put in says try emobile.

trekkypj

neiphin wrote: »

eircon lied to me for 3 years
q1 next year, q3 this year , early next year, middle of this year, may/june next year

i have broad band now, but it they only upgraded the exchange after westnet had set up locally

Same story different exchange, as I said earlier. Seems to be the 'default' line for 'I don't know but I don't want to lose your business'.

Three were able to get a mast up and running in December 2009 in less than a month once they located a site and got planning. I'm using their 3G as I speak.

There's a lot of neighbours deeply unhappy at the lack of progress on Eircom's part who are getting rid of their landlines altogether. They're all signing up for the NBS scheme because it's the only game in town.

But it's not broadband and it isn't what people want. They want one bill, one service for phone and internet, and a guarantee of decent speed.

Most of these people wouldn't do that if Eircom got off their arse and finished the job they started in 2007.

It's not right, and Eircom need to accept that they need to get the rest of their exchanges DSL enabled as soon as possible. If that means hiring contractors from the UK, ex-Eircom network employees on short term contracts, or whatever, then they have to do it.

Dazza

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges June 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^
Monksland^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Coolaney^

Galway

Lettermore *
Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 6
Programmed Connacht =2

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh*
St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^
Rockcorry*

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Ulster =2

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballycotton*
Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^


Kerry

Duagh^
Scartaglin*

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Cloughjordan^
Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 8
Programmed Munster = 2

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass*

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Naul

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =2


Abandoned Nationwide ^= 19
Still Programmed *= 8

Thanks for that
. The exchange (ballycotton) got enabled this week ay the way. :-)

Sponge Bob

I had a request for this. This is a list of every exchange in Ireland that is not enabled right now.

Remember,

1. Looking for confirmation some of these are installed
2. eircom only ever promised to upgrade 10% of the list below.

CARNEY (CABINET) Sligo
EMMOO Roscommon
GPO DUBLIN GPO
LISSAVAIRD Cork
PHOENIX PARK Dublin
SHANBALLY SHY Waterford
THE SWAN TSW Laois/Kilkenny


BALLINGARRY BRY Tipperary
BALLINSKELLIGS BKS Kerry
BALLINTUBBERT BBT Laois
BALLYAGRAN BGN Limerick
BALLYCASTLE BCE Mayo
BALLYCROY BYR Mayo
BALLYDALY BDA Offaly
BALLYDAVID BYD Kerry
BALLYDESMOND BMD Cork
BALLYFIN BIN Laois
BALLYFORAN BFN Roscommon
BALLYMACARBRY BMY Waterford
BALLYMACKEY BCK Tipperary
BALLYMACODA BMA Cork
BALLYMORE BYW Westmeath
BALLYNACARGY BNY Westmeath
BALLYNOE BLO Cork
BALLYPOREEN BPN Tipperary
BALLYVAUGHAN BVN Clare
BANGOR ERRIS BES Mayo
BAWNBOY BBY Cavan
BEHAGH BHH Clare
BERNEY'S CROSS BYX Cork
BILBOA BIB Carlow
BINGHAMSTOWN BHM Mayo
BLACKSOD BKD Mayo
BLACKWATER BRIDGE BIG Kerry
BOHERLAHAN BON Tipperary
BRACKNAGH BKG Offaly
BROADFORD (Shannon) BRF Clare
BROSNA BNA Kerry
BRUREE BEE Limerick
BUNNANADDAN BUD Sligo
BUTLERS BRIDGE BUB Cavan
BWEENG BWG Cork
CAHER CER Clare
CAHERAGH CEA Cork
CAHERDANIEL CRD Kerry
CALVERSTOWN CVW Kildare
CANNINGSTOWN CAW Cavan
CAPE CLEAR CCI Cork
CAPPAMORE CPM Limerick
CAPPOGUE BUS PARK CPO Dublin
CARRICKGLASS CKG Longford
CARRIG CGB Tipperary
CARRIGALLEN CIG Leitrim
CARRIGANIMMY CIM Cork
CARRON CRR Clare
CARROWMORELACKEN CMK Mayo
CASHEL CAS Galway
CASTLEJORDAN CSJ Meath
CASTLEMAHON CMN Limerick
CHURCHTOWN CHW Cork
CLARE ISLAND CIS Mayo
CLASHMORE CMO Waterford
CLEGGAN CGG Galway
CLOGHAN CGH Offaly
CLOGHANE CHA Kerry
CLOGHANS CRF Mayo
CLONBANIN CROSS CNX Cork
CLONBULLOGUE CBE Offaly
CLONBUR CNB Galway
CLONDRA CNA Longford
CLONKEEN CKE Kerry
CLONSKEAGH CKH Dublin
CLONYGOWAN CYG Offaly
CLOONE CLU Leitrim
CLOUGH COU Laois
COLBINSTOWN COL Kildare
COLEHILL CLL Longford
CONNA CNN Cork
COOLANEY CNY Sligo
COOLBAWN CBN Tipperary
COOLCARRIGAN CCG Kildare
COOLKENNO CKO Wicklow
COOLRAIN CRN Laois
COON COO Kilkenny
CRAGGAGH CAG Clare
CREGGS CGS Galway
CRINKILL CRI Tipperary
CROSS Keys Cavan
CULDAFF CDF Donegal
CULLAHILL CIL Laois
CULLEN CUX Cork
CURRANE CUA Mayo
DOIRE CHONAIRE DCE Donegal
DOOLEEG DLG Mayo
DOONAHA DHA Clare
DOWRA DRA Leitrim
DROMARD DMD Sligo
DRUMKEEN DUK Donegal
DRUMKEERAN DKN Leitrim
DUAGH DGH Kerry
DUNDERROW DUW Cork
DUNDERRY DDY Meath
ERRILL ERL Laois
EYRECOURT ECT Galway
FEENAGH FGH Limerick
FENAGH FEH Carlow
FERRYBRIDGE FBD Mayo
FINEA FNA Westmeath
FINUGE FGE Kerry
FORDSTOWN FWN Meath
FOUR ROADS FRS Roscommon
FYBAGH FYB Kerry
GALBALLY GBY Limerick
GARRANARD GRD Mayo
GEESALA GSL Mayo
GLANN GLA Galway
GLASSLOUGH GLS Monaghan
GLENAMOY GMI Mayo
GLENCAR GCR Kerry
GLENCREE GNE Wicklow
GLENEELY GEY Donegal
GLENFARNE GLF Leitrim
GLENISLAND GIL Mayo
GLENROE GLO Limerick
GOOLDS CROSS GSX Tipperary
GRANAGH GNG Limerick
GURTEEN GUN Galway
HACKETSTOWN HKN Carlow
HERBERTSTOWN HBN Limerick
HEWLETT-PACKARD HPD Kildare
HOLLYMOUNT HMT Mayo
IBMSITE IBM Dublin
INAGH ING Clare
INCH INH Kerry
INCHYDONEY INY Cork
INISBOFIN IBF Galway
INISHERE IHR Galway
INISHMAAN INM Galway
INTEL INL Kildare
JOHNSWELL JWL Kilkenny
KEEL KEL Mayo
KELLS KLL Kerry
KENAGH KNA Longford
KILBRIDE KBE Meath
KILCOMMON KCO Tipperary
KILCROHANE KCH Cork
KILKEE KKE Clare
KILKISHEN KHN Clare
KILLADOON KON Mayo
KILLAVULLEN KVN Cork
KILLIMOR KIR Galway
KILMEAD KMD Kildare
KILMEEDY KMY Limerick
KILRICKLE KCE Galway
KILRONAN KRN Galway
KILSHARVAN KSV Meath
KILTYCLOGHER KLR Leitrim
KINNITY KNT Offaly
KNOCK KCK Clare
KNOCKADERRY KKY Limerick
KNOCKFERRY KNF Galway
KNOCKNAGREE KNG Cork
KNOCKRAHA KHA Cork
LABASHEEDA LDA Clare
LAURAGH LRH Kerry
LAVAGH LVH Sligo
LEABEG LAG Offaly
LEITRIM VILLAGE LET Leitrim
LETTERFRACK LKR Galway
LETTERMORE LTM Galway
LISLEVANE LVN Cork
LISSELTON LSN Kerry
LISSYCASEY LCY Clare
LONGWOOD LWD Meath
LOSKERAN LOS Waterford
LUGGACURREN LRN Laois
LYRACROMPANE LPN Kerry
LYRE Cork
MAAM MAM Galway
MARTINSTOWN MAN Limerick
MEANUS MUS Limerick
MEELIN MEN Cork
MENLOUGH MNH Galway
MILFORD MLD Cork
MILLTOWNPASS MTP Westmeath
MONAMOLIN MLN Wexford
MONEYPOINT MPT Clare
MOYNE MNE Tipperary
MOYNE CROSS MEX Longford
MUCKROSS MUC Kerry
MULLENNAGLOUGH MUG Tipperary
MULRANY MRY Mayo
MYSHALL MYL Carlow
NARRAGHMORE NAR Kildare
NAUL NAL Dublin
NEW INN NIN Galway
NEW INN NWN Tipperary
NEWBRIDGE NBE Galway
NEWCESTOWN NCN Cork
NEWTOWNCASHEL NTC Longford
NEWTOWNGORE NGO Leitrim
NEWTOWNSHANDRUM NSM Cork
OGONNELLOE OGO Clare
OLDTOWN Dublin
OLDTOWN OWN Kilkenny
PARK PRK Mayo
PEAMOUNT LANE PML Dublin
POLLAGH PLL Offaly
PORTMAGEE PME Kerry
QUIN QUN Clare
RACECOURSE ROAD RCR Louth
RAHEY CROSS RYX Clare
RATHOE RTO Carlow
READYPENNY RPY Louth
REARCROSS RRX Tipperary
RECESS RCS Galway
REDCROSS RDS Wicklow
RINGASKIDDY PORT RIP Cork
ROBINSTOWN RBT Meath
ROCKCHAPEL RCH Cork
ROCKCORRY RKY Monaghan
ROSEGREEN RGN Tipperary
ROSEMOUNT ROT Westmeath
ROSSNOWLAGH RWH Donegal
ROSSOULTY RSY Tipperary
ROSSPORT RSP Mayo
ROUNDSTONE RST Galway
RUAN RUN Clare
SALLYBROOK SBK Cork
SCARTAGLIN SCN Kerry
SHANAHOE SNO Laois
SHANNONBRIDGE SNB Offaly
SILVERMINES SIL Tipperary
SNEEM SNM Kerry
ST JOHNSTON STJ Donegal
STRADBALLY STY Waterford
STRANOODEN SON Monaghan
SWANLINBAR SBR Cavan
TARELTON TAN Cork
TAUGHMACONNELL TML Roscommon
TEMPLEDERRY TDY Tipperary
TEMPLEMARTIN TPN Cork
TEMPLEOWEN TMO Carlow
TEMPLETUOHY TPY Tipperary
THE ROWER RWR Kilkenny
TIMAHOE TOE Laois
TOBERELATAN TBL Galway
TOOMEVARA TOO Tipperary
TOOREEN TOR Mayo
TOURMAKEADY TEY Mayo
TOURNAFULLA TFA Limerick
TULLAMORE COURT TMC Offaly
TULLY CROSS TUX Galway
TUOSIST TST Kerry
URLAUR URL Mayo
VALENTIA ISLAND VIS Kerry
VALLEYMOUNT VMT Wicklow
VENTRY VTY Kerry
WALSH ISLAND WIS Offaly
WOLFHILL WOL Laois
WOODLAWN WLN Galway

regress

This Is only a partial list of non enabled Exchanges... This fiasco would never have been tolerated if Eircom had not been privatised.

lucernarian

I'm going to be a bastard here and point out that The Naul's exchange is in Dublin, not Meath.

Also, the Togher exchange in Louth was enabled 2 years ago.

I've never seen the likes of the Kilsharvan exchange in Meath.. It is even smaller than The Naul's one and I suspect was put there with the excuse of the M1 at Drogheda being built which was going to adversely affect the generation of lucrative line rental with the existing lengthy (and pairgained) copper from Julianstown being rerouted etc. I imagine the NRA coughed up some of the money back in 2002.

Link!

Sponge Bob

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I'm going to be a bastard here and point out that The Naul's exchange is in Dublin, not Meath.

Also, the Togher exchange in Louth was enabled 2 years ago.

sorted

I've never seen the likes of the Kilsharvan exchange in Meath.. It is even smaller than The Naul's one. I imagine the NRA coughed up some of the money back in 2002.

Link!

Make that all of the money, probably paid for a full sized exchange building and all knowing eircom

That is the smallest exchange in Ireland that ...well maybe the exchange strung between 2 poles in Tory Island is smaller but Google never got the feckin car out there yet

lucernarian

Much obliged SB.

I wonder if they're still using an overturned empty (in good weather) bottle of Kerry Spring as the top half of a junction box on that forsaken island... I reckon Tory Island's exchange enclosure is smaller but I think I saw two different poles with a larger white box and a microwave link on each, one pole at either end of the island's road. Though that would mean Tory had 2 exchanges when the STD code, number allocation and exchange code are just the one for the whole island.

Eircom didn't even have the good grace to remove the 2 or 3 pairgains that I saw when I looked around Kilsharvan's small service area. And that area would be doing very well to get FWA coverage from any of the wireless ISPs. The mobile internet coverage would be good there in general.

Sponge Bob

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I think I saw two different poles with a larger white box and a microwave link on each, one pole at either end of the island's road. Though that would mean Tory had 2 exchanges when the STD code, number allocation and exchange code are just the one for the whole island.

I only noticed the one myself. Maybe they load balance that exchange ??

lucernarian

I'll also add: Inver in Donegal is indeed enabled so it may be left off that list. I had a look through many of the exchanges in the Northeast and also Donegal. I noticed Newport, Tipp in the list which I thought was quite big as villages go and it also appears to be enabled, unless there's a second Newport in Tipp.

The most suprising exchange I saw with no DSL was Butlersbridge in Cavan. Not an insignificant rural area, which adjoins an exchange with some serious backhaul. On a national route too, which tend to have ducting on the side of the road when the road is going to or from Dublin and particularly if the road also brings you to/from where the the main exchange is.

Sponge Bob

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I'll also add: Inver in Donegal is indeed enabled so it may be left off that list. I had a look through many of the exchanges in the Northeast and also Donegal. I noticed Newport, Tipp in the list which I thought was quite big as villages go and it also appears to be enabled, unless there's a second Newport in Tipp.

Confirm both.

trekkypj

Right folks, I have sent the following to Ministers Rabbitte and Hogan.

Minister Rabbitte,

I am writing to you (and to your colleague, Minister Hogan) to bring to your attention an issue which is of great concern to myself and many others in our situation.
I live in a rural community (Coon, North Kilkenny) and currently we do not have access to basic DSL broadband.

I have been trying, without success, to access basic DSL broadband since 2006.
I have been in contact with lobby group IrelandOffline on a regular basis since then to try and get accurate information on the rollout of DSL in Ireland, because I cannot get a straight answer from Eircom.

They have campaigned for Eircom to roll out DSL to all exchanges for many years now.


*Background*

In 2007 Eircom announced a programme to reprogram 319 exchanges and carry out works to ensure that the exchanges on this list could deliver DSL broadband.
Eircom committed to completing this work by the end of 2009.

Eircom even set up a site (formerly at www. broadbandatoz.ie) to announce when these exchanges were upgraded.
It seems that the timetable fell behind and now seems to have been abandoned altogether. The website recently disappeared (in early June 2011) and my queries to Eircom technical support have failed to obtain any meaningful reply.

Our exchange, in Coon, Co. Kilkenny, (Eircom Exchange code: COO) was scheduled to be enabled in the first quarter of 2009. This deadline was put back again and again and now I have been told there are no current plans to upgrade the exchange, despite being on the list Eircom announced in 2007. Regretably, our exchange is still not enabled; There was some work carried out, but it now seems to have been abandoned.

There are several other areas which have not been upgraded. I believe around 30 exchange areas are in a similar situation.

While we now have access to a 3G solution under the National Broadband Scheme, this is not a solution for many people. The speed is irregular, the method of delivery is totally unsuited for streaming of video, IP telephony and it is limited in the number of users it can handle at any one time. It is simply a stop-gap solution.

In any case, I contend that because we live near an eircom exchange and have a fixed line, we should be entitled to be served with a DSL service.

* What can be done? *
Minister, I accept that Eircom is a private company, and one which continues to have financial difficulties. I know that you cannot intervene directly and tell Eircom's network division to enable the exchange. But I was always taught that promises made should be kept. Eircom have failed to honour their promise to myself and many others in a similar situation.

We pay the same price for our line and get an inferior service without broadband. My parents have been customers since the days of P&T in the 1970s.
What makes it worse is that even as Eircom abandons their DSL upgrade programme, they are trumpeting the roll-out of "NGN" broadband.

If eircom's word cannot be relied upon, and they continue to break their promises, then surely it is the role of legislators to force them to do what needs to be done.

Minister, there are about 319 exchanges which Eircom promised to upgrade - about 30 of these are not upgraded, including ours. There are a further 250 or so that Eircom has suggested are not 'economically viable' which they do not EVER plan to upgrade for DSL. I do not need to remind you of that which you know perfectly well - Government and EU policy requires that all Irish households have access to quality broadband by certain target dates.

I ask you to make an appeal to Eircom's decision makers and urge them to complete this programme by the end of this year.

You have it in your power to bring in new Universial Service Obligation requirements for fixed line services in this country.
If Eircom fail to fulfil their promises, I urge you to act and to introduce a requirement to provide a fixed-line DSL service to all households.

It is generally accepted that the minimum service should be a 2Mbps DSL line, and that in time this should be extended to 8Mbps.
If a heavy financial penalty is introduced for every line which Eircom fails to provide DSL to (within reasonable distance from the exchange) then perhaps they can be motivated to finish rolling out DSL to *ALL* exchanges in Ireland.

Their counterparts in BT in Northern Ireland managed to do this some years ago. Surely, it is time to get this done here also.
If we do not we risk creating a two-speed digital economy in Ireland.

Regards,

Philip Murphy

johnnygman

trekkypj wrote: »

Right folks, I have sent the following to Ministers Rabbitte and Hogan.

Fair play mate! Let us know when or if u get a response...

Sean-Tom

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Eircom have just abandoned their broadbandatoz.ie site...you know the one that showed yellow dots for the exchanges they promised to enable.

They have also abandoned their DSL rollout with ( I think) 30 or 40 of the 319 exchanges they promised to do in March 2007 left undone. In Galway I think the abandoned exchanges are Lettermore and somewhere in east Galway but Maree which was not on that list will seemingly be done...some eircom execs live down there no doubt

And to think of the poor eejits who dutifully paid over €1300 in line rental since that announcement as they waited for their broadband.

I live in Maree, suppose you don't know where this exchange is and when it will be upgraded??

Sponge Bob

A white box on the side of the road somewhere, tell us if you see one.

eronayne

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Some of the last exchanges enabled were not on Broadband A To Z so I must restate the list. This was highlighted to me with thanks.

Frankly any exchange not programmed for 2011 must be deemed abandoned. Furthermore certain exchanges that existed in 2007 and were not programmed for an upgrade have been upgraded or are programmed for upgrade.

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges June 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^
Monksland^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Coolaney^

Galway

Lettermore *
Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 6
Programmed Connacht =2

ULSTER

Donegal

Rossknowlagh*
St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^
Rockcorry*

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Connacht =2

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^

Kerry

Duagh^
Scartaglin*

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Cloughjordan^
Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 8
Programmed Munster = 1

Leinster

Westmeath

Milltownpass*

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Naul *

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =2


Abandoned Nationwide = 19
Still Programmed = 7

Appologies for digging up an old thread,

A few of these sites listed as abandoned have launched since this post.

I'm suew the people in Naull will be delighted to know that the exchange is launching.

Sponge Bob

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges OCTOBER 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Sligo is complete.

Galway

Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 4
Programmed Connacht =1

ULSTER

Donegal

St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Ulster =0

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^

Kerry

Kerry is complete

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 6
Programmed Munster = 0

Leinster

Westmeath

Westmeath is complete

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Dublin is complete

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =0


Abandoned Nationwide = 15
Still Programmed = 1

MajorMax

trekkypj wrote: »

Right folks, I have sent the following to Ministers Rabbitte and Hogan.

OK I'm going to clear up a few things

1. you want a government minister to use his position to place undue pressure on a privately owned company because a few people outside of urban areas can't get broadband? That's the sort of Gombeen politics that got this country in trouble in the first place.

2. You want eircom to spend time and money upgrading exchanges that are not economically viable for service, eircom will take a financial loss to provide this service and as everyone is aware, due to the actions of the previous Government, eircom is in serious financial trouble at the moment

3. You see broadband as your right even though there is no obligation for broadband in the USO, last time the USO came up for tender in 2010 there were 13 applicants, guess who won? That's right, eircom applied and won the tender until 2012. They are obliged to provide the following under the requirements of the 2002 EU Directive which was implemented in Ireland by the European Communities (Electronic Communications Networks and Services) (Universal Service and User’s Rights) Regulations 2003 – S.I. No.308 of 2003
(a.) Local, national and international telephone calls
(b.) Facsimile (fax) communications
(c.) Data communications at data rates that are sufficient to permit functional internet access (the USP is currently required to adopt 28.8kbps as a reasonable minimum data rate)

4. It is a fact that eircom in conjunction with digiweb has a satellite bb service available anywhere in Ireland with quite respectable upload/download speeds, 3.6Mb/384Kb, although satellite bb is notorious for it's lag but if you're not playing online games that's not an issue.
Of course you won't want to pay the connection charge of €760 for satellite broadband you want eircom to take a loss just so you can surf the net

5. Even Comreg have recognised that there is no way that eircom can upgrade all exchanges at the moment or in the forseeable future.
Four years ago eircom approached the Government and offered to upgrade every exchange and get broadband to every house in Ireland, they were willing to spend €100 million to do this if the Government would match those funds. Guess what the Government said?


You don't want much do you? It's easy to blame eircom for this and I'm no fan of eircom but I'm sick of this Me Me Me culture that is predominant in modern Ireland. It's broadband for God's sake not a cure for cancer, live with it or arrange alternatives

Sponge Bob

This thread is about exchange upgrades promised by eircom nearly 5 years ago and not upgraded yet.

Your rant might be suitable for a thread about the 270 odd exchanges that eircom neither propose to upgrade or choose to upgrade unannounced as is often the case.

Of course if eircom refuse to do what they long ago said they would do then why should the taxpayer give them any money???

lucernarian

That's quite a pathetic response when you look at how eircom fought the designation of even dialup speeds of 28k in the USO. Eircom, the incompetent dimwits, can't even manage that on something like 6% of phone lines! And that is the target they have to achieve under the changes to the USO brought in by the bunch of ex telecom-eireann employees that is ComReg.

How long did it take eircom to recognise that any place with a population under 1500 could also be economically viable for DSL rollout?! It took like two years after most european countries were doing so. And what of the DSL distance limits which were due to the "laws of physics"?? Oh that's right, the old limit of 4.5km is now about 8km! Eircom for the first half of the decade in particular, were run by a bunch of luddites and carpet-bagger venture capitalists.

Meanwhile the most isolated parts of NI are getting FTTC rollouts with BT and govt. cooperation. At a tiny fraction of the subsidy eircom wanted to do the same for the same old "towns with a population over 1500" criteria".

MajorMax

Sponge Bob wrote: »

This thread is about exchange upgrades promised by eircom nearly 5 years ago and not upgraded yet.

Your rant might be suitable for a thread about the 270 odd exchanges that eircom neither propose to upgrade or choose to upgrade unannounced as is often the case.

Of course if eircom refuse to do what they long ago said they would do then why should the taxpayer give them any money???

Rant - to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way;

Just because someone has an opinion that is different than yours does not mean that they are ranting. If you don't agree with my opinion then just say so. Leave out the hyperbole

MajorMax

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That's quite a pathetic response when you look at how eircom fought the designation of even dialup speeds of 28k in the USO. Eircom, the incompetent dimwits, can't even manage that on something like 6% of phone lines! And that is the target they have to achieve under the changes to the USO brought in by the bunch of ex telecom-eireann employees that is ComReg.

How long did it take eircom to recognise that any place with a population under 1500 could also be economically viable for DSL rollout?! It took like two years after most european countries were doing so. And what of the DSL distance limits which were due to the "laws of physics"?? Oh that's right, the old limit of 4.5km is now about 8km! Eircom for the first half of the decade in particular, were run by a bunch of luddites and carpet-bagger venture capitalists.

Meanwhile the most isolated parts of NI are getting FTTC rollouts with BT and govt. cooperation. At a tiny fraction of the subsidy eircom wanted to do the same for the same old "towns with a population over 1500" criteria".

I refer you to point 4 of my "rant" If you really need broadband then it is available anywhere in the country,

You want a company that is profit driven to invest heavily in a product expansion that will benifit a very limited portion of the population and will bring little or no return to an investment that will cost hundreds of millions of Euro. Do you still believe in Santa? Eircom answers to shareholders and ANY investment must be approved and authorised

Simple economics mean that this is a losing proposition and it is a fact that the political will to bring about any change is lacking. How is that eircom's fault or responsibility.

Eircom when it became a public company (I got burned in that debacle like a lot of people) inherited a network that was already creaking at the seams. This was due to a chronic lack of investment by successive Governments

The point, that you went out of your way to miss while jumping onto your high horse, is why should eircom upgrade these exchanges? "Because I want broadband" is not the correct answer

The people on this thread seem to have a sense of entitlement that broadband service is a fundamental human right. That greatly concerns me. I'd be more concerned with the 3rd world health system that we have presently than whether a bunch of villagers can get broadband.

Before you jump on that horse again I live in a very small village as well with NGN bb I'm happy to report

bealtine

MajorMax wrote: »

I refer you to point 4 of my "rant" If you really need broadband then it is available anywhere in the country,

You want a company that is profit driven to invest heavily in a product expansion that will benifit a very limited portion of the population and will bring little or no return to an investment that will cost hundreds of millions of Euro. Do you still believe in Santa? Eircom answers to shareholders and ANY investment must be approved and authorised

Simple economics mean that this is a losing proposition and it is a fact that the political will to bring about any change is lacking. How is that eircom's fault or responsibility.

Eircom when it became a public company (I got burned in that debacle like a lot of people) inherited a network that was already creaking at the seams. This was due to a chronic lack of investment by successive Governments

The point, that you went out of your way to miss while jumping onto your high horse, is why should eircom upgrade these exchanges? "Because I want broadband" is not the correct answer

The people on this thread seem to have a sense of entitlement that broadband service is a fundamental human right. That greatly concerns me. I'd be more concerned with the 3rd world health system that we have presently than whether a bunch of villagers can get broadband.

Before you jump on that horse again I live in a very small village as well with NGN bb I'm happy to report

I'm alright jack but those others shouldn't have what I have?

And most European countries do view broadband as a human right and an entitlement, as well as the EU.

To_be_confirmed

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

That's quite a pathetic response when you look at how eircom fought the designation of even dialup speeds of 28k in the USO. Eircom, the incompetent dimwits, can't even manage that on something like 6% of phone lines! And that is the target they have to achieve under the changes to the USO brought in by the bunch of ex telecom-eireann employees that is ComReg.

I'd well believe it, and they're not necessarily in the middle of nowhere. I tried to get ADSL in Drumcondra in 2008 as UPC weren't available at the time. When I got the line installed, not only did it fail the prequalify for DSL, it could only manage 16.8k on dialup! I got rid of it very quickly, luckily UPC became available within a couple of months.

lucernarian

MajorMax wrote: »

I refer you to point 4 of my "rant" If you really need broadband then it is available anywhere in the country,

You want a company that is profit driven to invest heavily in a product expansion that will benifit a very limited portion of the population and will bring little or no return to an investment that will cost hundreds of millions of Euro. Do you still believe in Santa? Eircom answers to shareholders and ANY investment must be approved and authorised

Simple economics mean that this is a losing proposition and it is a fact that the political will to bring about any change is lacking. How is that eircom's fault or responsibility.

Eircom when it became a public company (I got burned in that debacle like a lot of people) inherited a network that was already creaking at the seams. This was due to a chronic lack of investment by successive Governments

The point, that you went out of your way to miss while jumping onto your high horse, is why should eircom upgrade these exchanges? "Because I want broadband" is not the correct answer

The people on this thread seem to have a sense of entitlement that broadband service is a fundamental human right. That greatly concerns me. I'd be more concerned with the 3rd world health system that we have presently than whether a bunch of villagers can get broadband.

Before you jump on that horse again I live in a very small village as well with NGN bb I'm happy to report

Satellite internet is not broadband, not when people could watch more than 5 HD youtube videos of 10 minutes and exceed bloody hourly quotas. So we'll just leave that "solution" (with remote mountains and scientific research stations in mind) to the side. I don't remember saying I want anything like an invesment from a private company in their own business. I do remember ridiculing eircom for not being able to make investments that were commonplace in every developed country, mainly because they (as described once to the US ambassador) were luddites and were being screwed over by carpet baggers.

Also to say the govts of e.g. the 90s were responsible for the lack of investment in TÉ is nonsense. Ten billion pounds in real terms had been invested in TÉ by the time it was sold off and up to then, they were near enough to the forefront of technology usage. E.g. building the solas cable, Ireland's considerable early uptake of ISDN (which was brought to every exchange in the end) even if it was overpriced. The initial trials of ADSL were around the same time as several other countries started theirs. Then the dot com bubble crashed and the rest was history.

It seems that MajorMax takes slagging and ridicule of eircom very seriously. It's a shame because I've no personal reason to dislike eircom. My family, my friends and I all are able to get eircom DSL if they want it. I happen to think that eircom's management over the previous decade were incompetent except when looking for salary increases or a new HQ, say.

lucernarian

Karsini wrote: »

I'd well believe it, and they're not necessarily in the middle of nowhere. I tried to get ADSL in Drumcondra in 2008 as UPC weren't available at the time. When I got the line installed, not only did it fail the prequalify for DSL, it could only manage 16.8k on dialup! I got rid of it very quickly, luckily UPC became available within a couple of months.

The exact number is in Comreg's annual? report on eircom's USO performance.

Spacedog

Why don't you run some cables and set this **** up yourselves.

get a load of UPC lines or leased lines into a gaff in the nearest BB town, tiem all up with a load balancer and a server to manage users. run cables along existing telegraph poles to nearest mountaintop, lash in an conventional omni directional antenna.

go around selling broadband subs with 250 euro installation fee. install sky dish pointed to your antenna, pigtailed into a normal wifi card.

profit.

Remember the irishwan project?, them boys had broadband in limrick, galway long before most of the dubs.

Irish Steve

Arrrrgggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!

2Mb Broadband, No broadband, 28.8 Minimum, let's get real here for a minute.

Most of what we have in Ireland is NOT broadband, for several reasons. First, the REAL speed is nothing like the theoretical maximum speed, and second, by the time that contention is taken into consideration, it's worse, and then there are the very real issues of server overload that mean many transactions fail due to lost packets in the servers of the ISP's.

Then there's the issue of ADSL. 8 Down is supposedly widely available, but in most cases, it's 256, or if you are lucky, 512 up, again maximum and often slower. So what you may ask. If all you want is lots of downloads of whatever content, valid or otherwise, it's not an issue, or not significantly. If however, you are a small business, and want to offer a good service to your customers, then at the moment, the ONLY viable option is to rent space on a server farm somewhere on the few locations in the country that have access to the Gigabit Fibre hub or network, If I can download at 24Mb, but can only upload at 2 Mb, then I can't offer an acceptable service quality to my customers, because what they could in theory download in one second is going to take at least 12 seconds for me to upload to them.

So, I use a server farm, and that's the choice that a lot of people have been forced to make, and make no mistake, Eircom are making a LOT of money providing space and service on their servers in strategic locations around the country, and it's no way in their interest to provide an acceptable synchronous speed to the majority of customers, as a significant number might then choose not to host their information on the Eircom servers.

Then we go into the next buzz word, "Cloud computing". Be AFRAID, VERY AFRAID.

Cloud computing is nothing new, I've been around computers of one form or another for close on 40 years, and cloud computing was out there for most of those years, it just wasn't called that. There are BIG risks in cloud.

The link from your company to the cloud may fail for a whole multitude of reasons, and if it's not provided by the cloud service, the link provider may not see any massive urgency in fixing the problem. That's a potential problem if you can't process your company payroll at the time it's meant to be done. The next issue is that if your software is also in the cloud along with your company's critical data, and you can't get at it when you need to, what do you do. Ring your TD, complain to Comreg, call the competition Authority? Good luck, you're going to need it in spades and will probably still be waiting in a week or so for a response, let alone some action.

Then, perish the thought, what do you do if all your company data and programs become unavailable as a result of the hosting company ceasing to operate either due to a major failure of hardware or of the company itself. Move it all to another provider. That may be easier said than done, unless the backup strategy of the provider is cast iron, and hasn't been compromised by the sort of issues that happen in a company that's about to go under, or compromised by the refusal of person or persons involved in complex litigation to release the information. Of course, you made sure that the Cloud agreement had cast iron escrow arrangements in place for all of your data and applications, didn't you? No? Oh dear, so there's no way to get all your critical company information back at the moment? Might be a good time to file for protection while you can, and before you are prosecuted for reckless trading!

OK, some of this is a bit off the absolute core of the lack of availability of broadband in small rural areas, but I can think of a number of companies that operate in very rural areas, and can't get access to internet services at a speed and capacity that's appropriate to their requirements, or, to be more accurate, they can't get that access at a local level, and in some cases, that has meant they have to deal with the significant overhead of having some of their administrative services operate in an offsite less remote location just in order to be able to get the computer services access that their business requires.

So, the absence of broadband in rural areas, PROPER broadband rather than gaming and web TV watching broadband, is a real and significant cost factor for many businesses in Ireland, and Eircom and others have no interest in changing that, as they are making nice profits at present from renting space, capacity and services on their server farms in the large urban areas.

For Ireland Inc to really see things improve, and to see the end of the surge towards urban areas that have been the cause of some of the most devastating mistakes of recent years, things like the communication and broadband strategy have to be fundamentally changed.

A friend of mine lives in a little village in the middle of the Mourne Mountains called Clough. He was delighted and happy to recently report that he now has Fibre to the cabinet from BT that gives him 25 Mb Down and 6Mb up, for less than I'm paying for 8Mb down and 512K up. That's the sort of thing that is killing investment, initiative, etc. all across this country, and if BT could do it in Northern Ireland, why can't Eircom deliver the same here?

At last check, I think we have dropped to No 27 in Europe in the broadband league, and yet our politicians still think we have a chance of getting Net and Web based business to come to Ireland? Read the writing on the wall guys, to get the sort of companies you are talking about, they will want Gigabit speeds to places that some of you have never even heard of!

A combination of incompetent and inept self serving politicians and a number of asset stripping money suckers that controlled Eircom have resulted in a communications infrastructure that is far from being the envy of Europe, it's now a major embarrassment to the people that know, and the really sad thing about it is that no one seems to be overly worried about changing it, as long as the masses can get their twitter and facebook fixes, or their porn films and hacked movies, who cares??

We will end up caring when the major computer companies like Microsoft, HP, Intel and others decide that Ireland has run out of potential and is no longer economic as a location for future business, due to the failure of innovation and implementation, and that time is closer than a lot of people think.

Rant off,

Steve

Sponge Bob

Minister Rabbitte is discussing NGN and state aid with eircom these days where he really should be getting them to finish this programme by end March 2012...ie 5 Years After eircom announced these exchanges would get ADSL.

Trekkypj, did Hogan or Rabbitte have the manners to contact you re your email at all??

Outstanding and non DSL enabled exchanges from the April 2007 Broadband Rollout Programme.

Incomplete Eircom Exchanges NOVEMBER 2011

* Still Programmed
^ Unprogrammed/Abandoned

Connacht

Roscommon:

Ballyforan^

Leitrim:

Carrigallen^
Cloone^
Leitrim Village *

Sligo

Sligo is complete.

Galway

Kilrickle^

Mayo

Mayo is complete.

Abandoned Connacht = 4
Programmed Connacht =1

ULSTER

Donegal

St. Johnston^

Monaghan

Annyalla^

Cavan

Cavan is complete

Abandoned Ulster = 2
Programmed Ulster =0

MUNSTER

Cork

Ballydesmond^
Knocknagree^
Knockraha^

Kerry

Kerry is complete

Waterford

Ballymacarbry^

Tipperary

Ballyporeen^

Limerick

Bruree^

Abandoned Munster = 6
Programmed Munster = 0

Leinster

Westmeath

Westmeath is complete

Longford

Longford is complete

Louth

Louth is complete

Meath

Meath is complete

Offaly

Offaly is complete

Laois

Laois is complete

Kilkenny

Oldtown^
Coon^

Dublin

Dublin is complete

Kildare

Calverstown^

Wicklow

Wicklow is complete

Wexford

Wexford is complete

Abandoned Leinster = 3
Programmed leinster =0


Abandoned Nationwide = 15
Still Programmed = 1

cargo

Was there any update on this. I know 1 of these exchanges that seems to be getting an upgrade. (Kilkenny Oldtown). I came across a utility company working on the road leading to it and I was told locally that the exchange is been upgraded.

A number of OHL copper thefts in the past 18 months may have caused this upgrade but just wondering if anyone knew if there was anywhere to see what remains to be done in Ireland?

Sponge Bob

There was this, one year ago.

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/kilkenny_s_rural_internet_not_up_to_speed_1_2361558

The residents in Tullaroan had been promised by Eircom that the Oldtown exchange was on a waiting list and would be upgraded in March of last year, then they were told July. Eventually Ms Moore was told that due to the cost involved there were no plans to upgrade the Oldtown exchange. Fed up waiting for the infrastructure to be upgraded Ms Joy contacted premier broad band. Although the satellite based broadband that premier provide is 65 euro a month, Ms Joy said that you can see lots of little satellites on homes all over Tullaroan.

In Dunamaggan Trish Finnegan of Creative Catering has found that she has no access to the National Broadband Scheme or Eircom broadband as the land line as the Kells exchange hasn't been upgraded.

But when the paper checked with eircom themselves.

A spokesperson for Eircom said that they intend to update two exchanges in Kilkenny in 2011.

5 years after they announced these two exchanges the residents are still waiting after being given bum steer after bum steer by eircom.