* Leaving cert history - predictions / aftermath * (1 thread please)

Scurrilous Dykes.

Europe Topic 3: The Jarrow March will be coming up in the Europe topic, Stalin and the show trials if your not to keen on Britain:

Topic 6: I'm Praying that either Montgomery or Vietnam appear.

Ireland Topic 3: Cosgraves government, Belfast bombings, and it is quite possible since we are on the verge of another Eucharistic visit next year that a question on the congress could appear. But in regards the Eucharistic congress question I would steer well clear unless you have an thorough knowledge and passion for it its a real ball buster!

Case studies: Coleraine controversy has the best odds in my books. I would look over Suningdale before the Apprentice Boys, I seriously doubt that the Apprentice boys would come up.

What is your predictions?

polka dot

USA: Collapse of consensus, MBB, economic recession
Europe: Hitler's consolidation of power, anti-semetism, propaganda and/or terror, Stalin's domestic policy
Ireland topic 3: Belfast, JJ McElligott, compare FF government to Cumann na nGaedhael government, treaty... ehm. Really not sure about Ireland.

Document. I have no idea why everyone's convinced it's Coleraine?! Was it tipped somewhere or what?
Studying Coleraine and the Apprentice Boys equally and then skimming over Sunningdale just on the off-chance it comes up.

Gav77

Idealy:

Irish - treaty, CnG VS FF

Europe - Hitler, Fascism

America - Bus boycott, cival rights

Otherwise its going to be a rough exam

Lexii307

What i was told to look over:
Irish:Fianna Fail 1932-1939, Split in Sinn Fein, Treaty, FF v CnG
European:Hitlers foreign policy, rise of facism
American:Trumans presidency, Civil Rights, Vietnam

What i would like to come up:
Irish:All of above
European:Hitlers foreign policy
American:Civil Rights, US Foreign Policy

Ezkimosrawk

We were told different things still:
Europe (NSIT) Eastern Question, The Kaiser's Naval Policy.
Ireland (1870-1914) 1885-86 General Elections, Always something on Ulster.
Case Study : Almost certaintly Coleraine.
Europe D&D : Jarrow March, Hitler's Foreign Policy, Origin of Fascism Italy+Germany.

Dr.Evil

Am I guaranteed some sort of question if I know Irish history 1912 - Civil War..? As in one question to fall between those confines.

danslevent

I'm dreading the essay on the pursuit of soveriengty and impact of partition the most. Thinking of just doing the Belfast bombings, treaty negoiations/debates and the Easter rising. The rest can feck off.

bradleyboy

This is a thread for people doing hiher level history to ask for advice, give tips and post links to helpful websites! I would love to see ssay plans up here for wednesday

frenchy1992

This is going to be some rough exam..

Anyway, what I've prepared :

European topic 3:

-Hitler's foreign policies
-Rise of Fascism
-Inter-war years + Jarrow

Irish topic (pursuit of sovereignty + impact of partition)

-Economic + Social policies of cumann na nGaedheal
-Eco. + Social policies of Fianna Fail
-Anglo-Irish treaty
-Belfast during the war.

American topic :
-Detente (1972-1989)
-Vietnam
-Montgomery Bus boycott

And for the case study I've focused on Coleraine mainly even though I kinda know the apprentice boys !

TheRepeat

Does anyone have an essay plan for Decline of Cold War certainties? Baaadly stuck

ChristinaIndigo

If bus boycott doesn't come up... I am literally not going to get anything CLOSE to full marks in any other essay....
It's the only one that I ever remember...

I could study this subject for another 2 years and still never be prepared enough for it, so, basically it's being counted as my backup subject. I really can't start fretting about it, because I know it's by FAR my worst subject...

GoldRush4821

the only section im properly worried about is ireland we did it so late in the year that i left it too late to really get to grips with it now relying on north and south during war and social and economic policies of cumann na ngaedhael.. I really hope the growth and origins of fascism doesn't come up... what a terrible question!

Jolly Red Giant

TheRepeat wrote: »

Does anyone have an essay plan for Decline of Cold War certainties? Baaadly stuck

Not an essay plan but this might help -

http://leavingcerthistory.net/revision/revision-handouts

Click on 'USA' and then on 'Foreign Policy Part 2' - you will find some stuff at the bottom

Also -
http://leavingcerthistory.net/revision/revision-powerpoints/usa-and-the-wider-world/

view the 'Foreign Policy' slideshow and there is stuff in the second half of it.

Iceboy

If the MBB does come up will it be a question like
What impact did the Montgomery Bus Boycott, 1956, have on the civil rights movement in the United States?

F1f1

Is anyone else doin topic 3 on Ireland, 1949-1989? No one seems to be doing it!

TheRepeat

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Not an essay plan but this might help -

http://leavingcerthistory.net/revision/revision-handouts

Click on 'USA' and then on 'Foreign Policy Part 2' - you will find some stuff at the bottom

Also -
http://leavingcerthistory.net/revision/revision-powerpoints/usa-and-the-wider-world/

view the 'Foreign Policy' slideshow and there is stuff in the second half of it.

Thanks very much

Lexii307

i feel so over prepared :eek:
I really only want 3 things to come up!
1.Hitlers Foreign Policy
2.Montgomery Bus Boycott
3.Fianna Fail 1932-1939

and Coleraine

I have done:
1.CnG and FF Foreign Policies comparison
2.CnG and FF Economic Policies comparison
3.Sinn Fein 1918 General Election
4.Fianna Fail 1932-1939
5.Rise of Sinn Fein
6.Anglo Irish Treaty 1921
7.FF foreign Policies
8.FF Economic Policies
9.Hitlers Foreign Policy
10.Hitlers Economic Policy
11.Lenin and Stalins contribution to Communism
12.How propaganda and terror was used to maintain communism
13.Hitler and the Nazis 1933
14.Stalins Economic Policy
15.Hitler as ruler of Germany
16. Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany
17.Italy before WW1
18.Civil Rights movement
19.Collapse of consensus
20.LBJ and Vietnam
21.US Foreign Policy

TheRepeat

Lexii307 wrote: »

i feel so over prepared :eek:
I really only want 3 things to come up!
1.Hitlers Foreign Policy
2.Montgomery Bus Boycott
3.Fianna Fail 1932-1939

and Coleraine

I have done:
1.CnG and FF Foreign Policies comparison
2.CnG and FF Economic Policies comparison
3.Sinn Fein 1918 General Election
4.Fianna Fail 1932-1939
5.Rise of Sinn Fein
6.Anglo Irish Treaty 1921
7.FF foreign Policies
8.FF Economic Policies
9.Hitlers Foreign Policy
10.Hitlers Economic Policy
11.Lenin and Stalins contribution to Communism
12.How propaganda and terror was used to maintain communism
13.Hitler and the Nazis 1933
14.Stalins Economic Policy
15.Hitler as ruler of Germany
16. Anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany
17.Italy before WW1
18.Civil Rights movement
19.Collapse of consensus
20.LBJ and Vietnam
21.US Foreign Policy

I have near enough the same covered.. Still feel panicked though!

Jolly Red Giant

People - do not ignore the Apprentice Boys or Sunningdale - do contextualisation to cover your rear end.

aingel

Thought I was going to be able to get away with only doing bare minimum for History but after maths today it looks like I'm going to be cramming all weekend :eek: disaster.

I know communism and facism
For Ireland I know cumman na g but did awful in it in the pres
America is a disaster. I don't even know where to start
and colraine better come up
I hate history.
Love listening in class but the exam is a joke. Its a hundred times harder than almost any other subject. I think you should get double points or something for it. Compared to like Home Ec or Biology where literally learning off gets you marks. Its ridiculous the difference between subjects

GoldRush4821

Double points is a bit excessive(very excessive actually). I think most of us would be happy with 20 minutes extra, but as it is if you know your stuff and the right questions come up i think its more than doable to get it all done in time... i think people prepare essays that are too long, if you have a 3 and a half page essay and its quality then you're sorted but some people try and write 4 and 5 pages. That for me is not possible.

martyllia

i have 4 days to do all of my history & art history ,don't know how i'm going to do it,but i have to.

what i hope to do is :
IRISH:
Treaty
Belfast
CnG & FF policies
Civil War & War of Independence

EUROPEAN
Rise of fascism
Hitler's foreign policy
Nazi state
Hitler's rise to power
Anti Semitism & Holocaust
Jarrow March

USA
MBB & Civil Rights
Vietnam
Nixon
Truman
McCarthyism

NORTHERN IRELAND
Focusing on Colerine
Apprentice Boys not learning as much as for Colerine
Sunningdale -bare minimum,just basic idea of it

Do you think it's enough? Or if you have any tips what else can i learn,or what can i do instead of something from the list? Thankies!

C__

Looking at this it seems no one really does the book with Bismarck and the irish book with the GAA and stuff. Anyone here do it?

bradleyboy

i have a theory, that every year a question comes up from the culture/religion setion, or the last section as i call it, in every topic? which is a nice thought as this section only has roughly 3/4 chapters in it? what you guys reckon?

GoldRush4821

GoldRush4821 wrote: »

Double points is a bit excessive(very excessive actually). I think most of us would be happy with 20 minutes extra, but as it is if you know your stuff and the right questions come up i think its more than doable to get it all done in time... i think people prepare essays that are too long, if you have a 3 and a half page essay and its quality then you're sorted but some people try and write 4 and 5 pages. That for me is not possible.

I always do 5 pages per essay. Just need to practice writing faster. Can't see you getting 60/60 with 3 and a half pages.

bradleyboy

C__ wrote: »

Looking at this it seems no one really does the book with Bismarck and the irish book with the GAA and stuff. Anyone here do it?

i do the nation states book hoping for an essay on technology of warfare, causes of ww1 or wilfred owen?

wazzarooney

I'm doing for Irish History:
1916
treaty
civil war
Eucharistic Congress
North and South during the war.

I'm leaving out all the governments and their policies? Would I be safe with that much?

AbsentPonderer

Anybody hoping for a nice question on Stalin? I am, if I see his economy I will be beaming at the page :P

C__

bradleyboy wrote: »

i do the nation states book hoping for an essay on technology of warfare, causes of ww1 or wilfred owen?

Wtf?????
I have never even heard of these essays. We just covered the Case studies cause we are "guaranteed" a question on them.
But id like a question on any of the 3 case studies or anti semitisim or I am f*cked

LC2010HIS

1916 -military failure
Rise of sinn fein and 1918
Anglo Irish T 1921
CNG VS FF economic policies
CnG - Challenges
Compare North and south during ww2
Belfast

Stalin show trials
Oirgins of fascism
Rise of hitler, hitlers - how he estab a totalitarian state, anti semtism, foreign policy
rise of mussolini

Vietnam
containment
Domestic factors
detente 72-89
troubled affleunce
impact of bus boycott on civil rights
collapse of consensus

coleraine!

Iceboy

Is anyone else a littl worried with the timing in the History exam? 40 per essay seems very little and time seems to fly bye in that exam centre, especially if your writing about something you don't know to well and have to think alot more to remember the stuff

CUS101

My Ideal paper:

USA:
Economy 1968-89/ what caused the crash (never been asked )
Ireland:
Compare economic policies of CnaG and FF.
DD:
Hitler F-Policy.
Colraine.

would just be perfect ha.

if people would recommend their top Irish and DD essays it'd be great, they are my two weakest sections!!!

babynice

Does anyone know if the there's a certain length the essays have to be? I mean if it was only about three pages long, would that matter as long as it has the right information?

TheRepeat

babynice wrote: »

Does anyone know if the there's a certain length the essays have to be? I mean if it was only about three pages long, would that matter as long as it has the right information?

I always do 3 pgs with everything in it but judging by here, that seems short?

RMD

AdamD wrote: »

I always do 5 pages per essay. Just need to practice writing faster. Can't see you getting 60/60 with 3 and a half pages.

It's better to get 4.5 to 5 pages done anyway. In that you'll get in about 9-10 paragraphs which will easily get 60/60 in CM and if it's in any way good pick up 20-30 in OE, that's B1/A2 category and it isn't hard as long as you know the question asked.

3.5 is really scraping it in the CM, very hard to pick up 60/60 with only that amount.

Lexii307

babynice wrote: »

Does anyone know if the there's a certain length the essays have to be? I mean if it was only about three pages long, would that matter as long as it has the right information?

We were told to do 4pages max!!! You wont have time to do much more than that and i think that 3 isnt too short as long as you have the right information. I always end up doing 3.5-4 depending on the toppic

polka dot

babynice wrote: »

Does anyone know if the there's a certain length the essays have to be? I mean if it was only about three pages long, would that matter as long as it has the right information?

6 or 7 good decent paragraphs, about half a page each. Pure facts though - absolutely no waffle. Should come to 3 and a half, 4 pages (I have small writing and get max 3.5 in the forty minutes!)

martyllia

my teacher said 3 and a half pages,around 8 good paragraphs,intro and conclusion

Jolly Red Giant

martyllia wrote: »

my teacher said 3 and a half pages,around 8 good paragraphs,intro and conclusion

The biggest mistake that people make is not answering the question that is asked.

Read the question carefully - what is the timeframe and stick within it - target 8 paragraphs dealing with one issue per paragraph and how this issue relates to/answers the question. You are being asked a question - you must give the relevent information and to maximise the marks state how it relates to/answers the question. After writing each paragraph look again at the question.

Finally, plan your essay before you start - bullet points or a mindmap - it will be easier to see if you are answering the question posed, it will stop you going off track and it will make the best use of your time.

firestarter197

What our teacher said is likely:

Sinn Fein
Collins
Treaty Negotiations
CnG - achievements + know enough economic policy for overlap with FF
FF on its own or overlap with CnG
Eucharistic Congress/experience of North and South

Mussolini - rise to (dictatorial) power + domestic policies/consolidation of power
Show Trials
Lenin/Stalin overlap
Hitler Foreign Policy
Nuremberg Rallies as part of Propaganda

Bismarck/Wilhelm
Eastern Question
Reasons behind WWI + Treaty Versailles/Peace Settlement of Europe

Odds are that it will be Coleraine/App Boys, doubt that they will repeat Sunningdale.

firestarter197

Oh and for length, our teacher says aim for 4 pages. Into, 6 main paragraphs, conclusion. At half a page each, you should get 7-8 content per paragraph which is all you need to get the 60/60. For the overall impression, refer often back to the question, be clear and neat and try to get in some quotes. If you get 60/60 content, chance are you'll get enough overall impression for a top grade. Your special topic is the first thing they mark, so if it is good, you'll have the examiner on your side from the beginning.

PurpleVintage

I don't know what i'm doing yet. I'm FREAKED for History, as I need to cover everything this week. Payed absolutely no attention in classes, and did absolutely nothing. Stupid ol' me :mad: I piss myself off so much.

Anyways, i'm hoping and wishing that there's some sort of question that asks you to talk about the Nuremberg Rallies (like the actual whole case study, from start to finish), cause it's the only thing that I know from back to front. If anyone wants me to write up the 'facts' that I prepared, I will, but it has to be today. I have prepared about an A4 page on facts alone, so converting that into my writing would be... 2 or 2 1/2 A4 pages... + turning it into an actual essay, would bring it up to about 3 1/2 maybe. I've forced my friend to learn it off too I have this thing that when I feel like something is extremely easy, I want to force everyone to do it.

Btw, if anyone is doing Mussolini's foreign policies, I just found these links:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/Revision:Mussolini_-_Foreign_Policy
http://www.templehistory.dna.ie/foreign_mussolini.htm

No idea how useful they are yet, but we'll see. I'll be back to post any links I find.

irishgirl10

Does anyone have an essay on Ireland during the war? Badly stuck

martyllia

irishgirl10 wrote: »

Does anyone have an essay on Ireland during the war? Badly stuck

both north and south?
i have 5 copy pages on ireland 1939-1945 in bullet points

firestarter197

Well the Nuremberg Rallies can come up as part of Nazi propaganda, but really propaganda has been asked twice now I think so I doubt it will come up. It is a case study I think which gives it a better chance nonetheless.

Mussolini foreign doesn't seem likely. If it's foreign, it will be Hitler. If it's Mussolini, rise/consolidation of power perhaps. Could be an overlap with Hitler on general factors in the rise of fascism or how fascism overturned democracy in Germany and/or Italy.

martyllia

firestarter197 wrote: »

Well the Nuremberg Rallies can come up as part of Nazi propaganda, but really propaganda has been asked twice now I think so I doubt it will come up. It is a case study I think which gives it a better chance nonetheless.

Mussolini foreign doesn't seem likely. If it's foreign, it will be Hitler. If it's Mussolini, rise/consolidation of power perhaps. Could be an overlap with Hitler on general factors in the rise of fascism or how fascism overturned democracy in Germany and/or Italy.

That's what i think too. My teacher said that it's unlikely they'll ask a specific q on Mussolini cz there isn't enough to write about him.
i did a chart with q they asked and growth of fascism came up only once (2006)
i have a feelin there'll be soemthin on holocaust and resistance,they never asked about it.
i doubt there'll be somethin on Stalin,last yr extarnal and internal policies of Stalin came up.
Thre'll be something on France,as it only came up twice (2007 & 2009) and was a part of q in 2008.

My fav q would be Hitler's fp or anti semitism & Holocaust

Prinkle

How likely is it that counterculture will come up in American history? It's by far my best question...

firestarter197

Holocaust is a definite possibility. Hasn't been asked and it will be at some point.
If Stalin/Lenin doesn't come up this year in Dictatorship and Democracy then Russia might come up in Nation States. One thing is for sure: they won't ask Russia on both sections.

Do you have 2 separate essays on Hitler's FP? One on Hitler's FP before 1939 and another on 1939-1945? They might set up parameters in the question which could be tricky, especially if your essay contains paragraphs on FP from the period before the War and the one during the War.

martyllia

firestarter197 wrote: »

Holocaust is a definite possibility. Hasn't been asked and it will be at some point.
If Stalin/Lenin doesn't come up this year in Dictatorship and Democracy then Russia might come up in Nation States. One thing is for sure: they won't ask Russia on both sections.

Do you have 2 separate essays on Hitler's FP? One on Hitler's FP before 1939 and another on 1939-1945? They might set up parameters in the question which could be tricky, especially if your essay contains paragraphs on FP from the period before the War and the one during the War.

i don't think so there's enough to write 3+ pages on hitler's fp on before 1939 alone or 1939-45 alone.
I have only 1 and half page for 1933-1939

citizen_p

so am i the only person doing the retrat from empire book?

partition of India is what everyone is hoping for, but if retrat from africa comes up I may be ok.

firestarter197

The bulk of mine is from before 1939. I think we ran out of time and couldn't do everything on Hitler.

My money is definitely on Mussolini and Hitler. I really cannot see a scenario where neither is in no way on the paper this year in Dictatorship and Democracy.

For nation states I might just do Germany+eastern question+reasons for WWI+versailles and that should be enough.

Irish - sinn fein, treaty negotiations, CnG, FF.