Alternatives to jail ?

crackcrack30

Seriously, wasnt jail devised in a different era when it went hand in hand with hunger, disease, cold and isolation within the high walls.
I think someone has lost the manual along the way...this version of punishment dosent seem to be working in this centuary......cc30

enda1

Agreed gaol is a bit outdated. What do you propose though?

biko

So what do you suggest?

scudzilla

Alternatives to Jail?? Send 'em to Wales

ball

Australia?

DrumSteve

Blast them with piss I suppose.

Dravokivich

We could partition Cork and send'em all there?

Ya know like in Escape from New Angeles.

Seachmall

I don't think jail is an effective punishment nor do I think it should be.

I view jail as an inefficient way to keep scumbags off our streets. I personally think we should ship 'em all to a remote island somewhere.

If they disregard the rules of a society they should no longer be accepted in that society, letting them out of jail is cutting them slack which I don't think they deserve.

That's for career criminals, people who genuinely make mistakes (out of carelessness or whatever) or aren't necessarily career criminals (e.g. once off fight that resulted in a death) or scumbags (pot smokers, graffiti artists) should be put to work cleaning our streets and what-not.

crackcrack30

.. Maybe send one of our civil servants from the Justice dept. down to equador, turkey, or china to get a copy of their manual..
there's no deterrant in jail time for the current scum thats rapidly expanding into every town,street and neighbourhood.........

ejmaztec

We should have "adopto-crim", where we can choose a psycho-axe-murdering-fuckwit to live in each of our houses.

They can do the cooking, cleaning and shopping, and also take care of unwanted door-knockers.

Dravokivich

crackcrack30 wrote: »

.. Maybe send one of our civil servants from the Justice dept. down to equador, turkey, or china to get a copy of their manual..
there's no deterrant in jail time for the current scum thats rapidly expanding into every town,street and neighbourhood.........

Execute'em, bill the family for the bullet.

mgmt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HnK24eYK0I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeiGfjcVyR8

cosmicfart

Space Shuttle to Mars ie Ghost of Mars film with Ice Cube :cool:

Dangerous Man

Nope - jail works fine. Just need to make sure the right people are in there, and for a suitable amount of time.

Oh, and take their tellies away.

jimthemental

There is no foolproof alternative, even the death penalty is not an effective deterrent. At least jail gets some scum off the streets for a while and some do /upskill and go back to society with a better contribution than many of the posters here.

zeusnero

Dravokivich wrote: »

We could partition Cork and send'em all there?

that's a good idea short term, but in the long term - with all the kick ass great times they'd be after having there - no one would want to leave and it'd get overcrowded

jimthemental

Seachmall wrote: »

I don't think jail is an effective punishment nor do I think it should be.

I view jail as an inefficient way to keep scumbags off our streets. I personally think we should ship 'em all to a remote island somewhere.

If they disregard the rules of a society they should no longer be accepted in that society, letting them out of jail is cutting them slack which I don't think they deserve.

That's for career criminals, people who genuinely make mistakes (out of carelessness or whatever) or aren't necessarily career criminals (e.g. once off fight that resulted in a death) or scumbags (pot smokers, graffiti artists) should be put to work cleaning our streets and what-not.

We did that with Spike Island in Haulbowline and the crims took it over, disaster. We should upgrade Achaill to a penal colony for a while and see how it turns out.

beglopty

Seachmall wrote: »

I don't think jail is an effective punishment nor do I think it should be.

I view jail as an inefficient way to keep scumbags off our streets. I personally think we should ship 'em all to a remote island somewhere.

If they disregard the rules of a society they should no longer be accepted in that society, letting them out of jail is cutting them slack which I don't think they deserve.

That's for career criminals, people who genuinely make mistakes (out of carelessness or whatever) or aren't necessarily career criminals (e.g. once off fight that resulted in a death) or scumbags (pot smokers, graffiti artists) should be put to work cleaning our streets and what-not.

Really? You kill someone and you're only sent street cleaning with a guy who drew a picture on a wall? Ridiculous.

Seachmall

Dravokivich wrote: »

We could partition Cork and send'em all there?

But where would we send all the Corkonians? I don't want to be mixing with that lot!

liah

Honestly think there should be a bigger focus in most Western countries on finding a way to make the prisoners give back, e.g. tiered (according to offense) work programs, plus more focus on rehabilitating low-level criminals (depending on circumstance).

Make them do something productive for us while they're in there and repay their debt to society. Lightens the tax load, too, if they're doing stuff like roads - you don't have to pay prisoners.

I'm not sure why this practice is so uncommon now. Human rights groups must've gotten at it or something, used to be much more popular even 50 years ago.

sollar

Floggings in the town square

lucylu

How about having them shoveling sh*t in sewers....oh wait

crackcrack30

Do they or their depandants loose any state benifits (or payouts i.e Dole)
when their inside? Probibly get additional support.......



(They can order takeaway ffs)

Seachmall

beglopty wrote: »

Really? You kill someone and you're only sent street cleaning with a guy who drew a picture on a wall? Ridiculous.

I think we should punish people based on their intentions (i.e. how much of a threat to society they are).

If someone kills someone because they aren't paying attention to the road whilst driving their threat to society is due to carelessness, which can be dealt with without destroying their life.

In the same manner I think if someone intends to kill someone but fails they should be treated no differently than if they had succeeded.

Dravokivich

zeusnero wrote: »

that's a good idea short term, but in the long term - with all the kick ass great times they'd be after having there - no one would want to leave and it'd get overcrowded

The idea is they don't, ya know like in them movies I mentioned :P

Seachmall wrote: »

But where would we send all the Corkonians? I don't want to be mixing with that lot!

Sacrificed, sorry.

liah wrote: »

I'm not sure why this practice is so uncommon now. Human rights groups must've gotten at it or something, used to be much more popular even 50 years ago.

I recon trade unions and competitive market rabble rabble would be the main reasons behind it more so, well ahead of cheap/slave labour anyway.

smokedeels

http://www.ghostinthemachine.net/zod.jpg ?

Spunge

That cryo thing in demolition man worked out pretty well..... i think.

iamstop

I've been to very low crime places like Tokyo (People mark their seats in restaurants by leaving the phone on the table when they go to the toilet) and Singapore (Low crime does not mean no crime!) is a typical poster you may see about.
They seem to both use a mix of honor, pride, fear and shame to keep people inline. Oh and the cane. you get lashed in Singapore for serious crimes.

Fluorescence

Prison IS effective when used properly, hand in hand with hard labour and thorough rehabilitation. If they won't agree to whatever rehab is on offer then they remain imprisoned for longer (depending on crime). A prison cell should have 4 walls, a loo and a bed to sleep on, and that's it.

Seachmall

fluorescence wrote: »

A prison cell should have 4 walls, a loo and a bed to sleep on, and that's it.

Surprisingly the cell I was in in Mountjoy didn't even have a functional toilet. There was a 'pisspot' under the bed instead.





And by "cell I was in" I'm referring to a school trip in TY

beglopty

Seachmall wrote: »

I think we should punish people based on their intentions (i.e. how much of a threat to society they are).

If someone kills someone because they aren't paying attention to the road whilst driving their threat to society is due to carelessness, which can be dealt with without destroying their life.

In the same manner I think if someone intends to kill someone but fails they should be treated no differently than if they had succeeded.

I think a lot of people who have lost someone on the roads may think differently. Also, it would be negligence rather than carelessness that brought about the death. Something which should be punished by time away.