Jobs in the IT sector

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Im thinking of going back to College and finishing an IT course but Im wondering, am I wasting my time, is there many jobs in the sector?

mickman

Headshot wrote: »

Im thinking of going back to College and finishing an IT course but Im wondering, am I wasting my time, is there many jobs in the sector?

plenty of them at present

red menace

mickman wrote: »

plenty of them at present

Heh was just coming on to ask that question also.
Likely moving back from Canada in September.
Be looking in the support/hardware deployment break/fix kind of gig

mickman

red menace wrote: »

Heh was just coming on to ask that question also.
Likely moving back from Canada in September.
Be looking in the support/hardware deployment break/fix kind of gig

you obvioulsy need to know what your doing and have experience and certs. but for the right people then there is plenty of work

Eoin

Yep, a good few companies looking for IT staff at the moment.

red menace

mickman wrote: »

you obvioulsy need to know what your doing and have experience and certs. but for the right people then there is plenty of work

Thanks Mick,

Have 5 years good solid experience so hopefully should pick up something quite quick
Trying to double job for the summer to accumulate as much cash as possible to be on the safe side!

Manach

It seems to be tipping away in the IT sector in the Cork.

irishguy

.NET, JAVA, C++ and c# are all in big demand at the moment

francie82

Graduated 4 yrs ago wit a post grad in sys analysis and im currently a civil servant working in an environment not related to my qualifications....thinkin of a career move..any advice? Where would i start?

vibe666

there's plenty going on in the virtualisation arena at the minute, grab yourself a vmware vcp cert (4-5 day course) and should have plenty to keep you busy on decent money for the foreseeable future and its not something that looks like it's going to go away, there's a huge amount of growth in that sector of IT at the minute.

irishguy

francie82 wrote: »

Graduated 4 yrs ago wit a post grad in sys analysis and im currently a civil servant working in an environment not related to my qualifications....thinkin of a career move..any advice? Where would i start?

To be honest I think you will find it hard to get into a technical role. So you could try going for a Junior/Grad BA/QA role. Even if you take a pay cut its well worth it as you will get big pay increases when you move (20+%). Way more potential to earn.

Also one of the most important things in IT to succeed is you actually have to be interested in what you do you cant forget about in at 5.30. Otherwise you will find it hard to move jobs.

jesus_thats_gre

Was finding it very difficult to find first line (second level) application support engineers (Tibco, Oracle, Unix, Genesys, VMS, Windows Server and a few other platforms) for a while there. Got some people in the end but they were novices and that was reflected in their wage - 240 a day I think.

starlit

There are loads of jobs in the IT sector best sector to find work at the moment. It wouldn't be a waste in studying IT. If anything it will enhance your search for a job regardless what sector you originally studied what ever your education background is, it will stand to you either way as IT is everywhere! Remember, you don't have to be a genius at maths to do IT! Being a problem solver and logically minded is good!

You get interviews easily enough. Having the right skills and experience is key and that you have a high standard and meet the majority of the job requirements and criterias. Java and vb.net seem to be the big areas at the moment for software and programming jobs. There are other areas you can go into outside programming like internet and networking security, technical support which is the best area to start when starting out! Its worth having a third level qualification but depending what jobs you'd like maybe a professional cert in Compita+ or something similar or a higher diploma in computing might be worth looking into. I'd suggest doing a FAS course maybe to help you out a bit before going into third level if you consider it. Take your time, don't rush it, baby steps will get you where you want to go. Depends what you like and what you are good at when it comes to IT, whats natural and you have a flare for will be important for you in landing any job in IT. Might consider doing a workplacement or internship to get a taste for working in IT, you'll know then if its for you!

Good luck OP

marley123

I work for an online Jobsite & IT Jobs are up 100% on this time last yr.

Mass shortage of Java, C++ & Sharepoint Developers.

Cloud Computing is the way forward & if you could get a qualification in this you would be in high demand, thousands of jobs will be created over the next couple of yrs in Cloud.

irishguy

marley123 wrote: »

I work for an online Jobsite & IT Jobs are up 100% on this time last yr.

Mass shortage of Java, C++ & Sharepoint Developers.

Cloud Computing is the way forward & if you could get a qualification in this you would be in high demand, thousands of jobs will be created over the next couple of yrs in Cloud.

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

D1stant

irishguy wrote: »

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

Totally agree. Just another bull**** buzzword. Its hillarious hearing the politicians on this

10 years ago ASPs started to be setup with centralised storage and application delivery. Was that cloud computing?

20 years ago my PC took the same time to boot, the same time to edit a document etc.

30 years ago dumb terminals with centralised processing and storage were common. Was that cloud computing?

Plus ca change.....

Bluetonic

irishguy wrote: »

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

In fairness the comment came from someone who works for a 'job site', which I would take to mean recruitment.

They really don't have a clue.

omahaid

irishguy wrote: »

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

Wouldn't be Ireland without some bubbles

My plan is to start a cloud computing social networking content delivery company and sell at the height of this bubble, wish me luck!!

To answer the OP, there does seem to be plenty jobs in software development, all my classmates from college are in employment (nearly all in development)

irishguy

omahaid wrote: »

Wouldn't be Ireland without some bubbles

My plan is to start a cloud computing social networking content delivery company and sell at the height of this bubble, wish me luck!!

Ill give you €100M right now for the company!!!!

vibe666

irishguy wrote: »

Ill give you €100M right now for the company!!!!

you should put it in the cloud within the cloud, within the cloud and call it cloudception, that would be bleedin' massive.

jesus_thats_gre

irishguy wrote: »

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

Haha, I was going to go on a similar rant myself.

Doing a lot of work with force.com at the moment and the only difference is that we are paying a license fee per user instead of hardware costs.

irishguy

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Haha, I was going to go on a similar rant myself.

Doing a lot of work with force.com at the moment and the only difference is that we are paying a license fee per user instead of hardware costs.

Would you like a job in this new enterprise I have invested in. I cant pay you per say but I can give you large share options and guarantee that they will be worth millions in 2 years when I file for an IPO.

Sorry for taking this off topic its raining and I am bored

marley123

Bluetonic wrote: »

In fairness the comment came from someone who works for a 'job site', which I would take to mean recruitment.

They really don't have a clue.

Job Boards are NOT Recruitment agencies!! - Was just trying to offer OP some advice! as I had mentioned in addition to Cloud Computing.. there is a severe shortage of Java, C++ & Sharepoint Developers so this skills would help towards also securing a job.

Bluetonic

marley123 wrote: »

Job Boards

Job board or jobsite? Which is it?

Your advice wasn't great to be honest. When people are job hunting they tend to hang on any shred of hope. It's wise enough to hold back saying something which really means little and has little substance.

zweton

out of curiosity are there any cloud computing certs that are worth doing that would stand to someone working in i.t ?

omahaid

http://cloud.cit.ie/

I have no real idea what they're teaching in these BSc and MSc's so can't comment on content.

Dardania

doovdela wrote: »

There are loads of jobs in the IT sector best sector to find work at the moment. It wouldn't be a waste in studying IT. If anything it will enhance your search for a job regardless what sector you originally studied what ever your education background is, it will stand to you either way as IT is everywhere! Remember, you don't have to be a genius at maths to do IT! Being a problem solver and logically minded is good!

You get interviews easily enough. Having the right skills and experience is key and that you have a high standard and meet the majority of the job requirements and criterias. Java and vb.net seem to be the big areas at the moment for software and programming jobs. There are other areas you can go into outside programming like internet and networking security, technical support which is the best area to start when starting out! Its worth having a third level qualification but depending what jobs you'd like maybe a professional cert in Compita+ or something similar or a higher diploma in computing might be worth looking into. I'd suggest doing a FAS course maybe to help you out a bit before going into third level if you consider it. Take your time, don't rush it, baby steps will get you where you want to go. Depends what you like and what you are good at when it comes to IT, whats natural and you have a flare for will be important for you in landing any job in IT. Might consider doing a workplacement or internship to get a taste for working in IT, you'll know then if its for you!

Good luck OP

Hi doovdela,

What would you think would be a good route to get into network design? I'm a building services electrical engineer, but have done the CCNA, and want to move over, but finding it hard to get past recruitment agents...

Naikon

Degree in Cloud Computing: LOL

Anways, what is the story with qualifications? I am sure jobs are more available in IT than other sectors at the moment. What are the general minimum educational/experience requirements now?

starlit

Dardania wrote: »

Hi doovdela,

What would you think would be a good route to get into network design? I'm a building services electrical engineer, but have done the CCNA, and want to move over, but finding it hard to get past recruitment agents...

There is a CCDA - Cisco Certified Design Associate Course it be similar to CCNA but with the network design added in! If you plan to go down that route. There are Network Design courses in the UK if you wish to find out more information on these types of courses.

http://www.cmit.ie/courses-it-computers-distance-learning/cisco-certified-design-associate-ccda.html

zweton wrote: »

out of curiosity are there any cloud computing certs that are worth doing that would stand to someone working in i.t ?

Ya there are a few floating around the country in some of the IT's and Uni's. Namely the one in CIT and the National College of Ireland which are the Springboard courses.

http://www.ncirl.ie/Programmes_Courses/Part-time-Courses/Certificate-in-Cloud-Computing-CCLOUDNCI1

http://www.ncirl.ie/Programmes_Courses/Part-time-Courses/Postgraduate-Diploma-in-Science-in-Cloud-Computing-PGDCLOUDNCI1

fatalll

irishguy wrote: »

It really annoys me when people say cloud computing is going to be massive and is the equivalent of saying people should get a qualification in the Internet. All this cloud computing coverage smacks of the .com 2.0 bubble. Now if people got qualifications in specific skills Java, .NET, VMware admin, CCNA, SAN admin etc now all these would be relevant to delivering a service on the cloud.

Well said...
As you know "Cloud Computing" is just a buzzword people who dont have a clue are throwing about at the moment...
even Enda Kenny mentioned cloud computing:eek:

Stheno

Naikon wrote: »

Anways, what is the story with qualifications? I am sure jobs are more available in IT than other sectors at the moment. What are the general minimum educational/experience requirements now?

For what type of role? Overall if you have experience, certs are to your advantage imo

vibe666

fatalll wrote: »

...even Enda Kenny mentioned cloud computing:eek:

he's just saying that because he's got his head in the clouds. when it's not up his own...

Naikon

Stheno wrote: »

For what type of role? Overall if you have experience, certs are to your advantage imo

Mainly entry level Network Admin/support. I am not afraid of coding at all, just don't fancy it fulltime. How much of an emphasis is placed on a degree when the candidate has little experience in the sector? This is a very general question, so I expect a very general answer. I really enjoy subnetting, if that helps in any way:p

Feelgood

I decided to leave Ireland about 8 months ago and had plenty of options open to me. Not only is Ireland thriving but IT worldwide seems to be flying aswell. Its all down to your skillset and experience though, but either way I think doing an IT course will be a good decision.

Dardania

doovdela wrote: »

There is a CCDA - Cisco Certified Design Associate Course it be similar to CCNA but with the network design added in! If you plan to go down that route. There are Network Design courses in the UK if you wish to find out more information on these types of courses.

http://www.cmit.ie/courses-it-computers-distance-learning/cisco-certified-design-associate-ccda.html

Thanks for that - although I was hoping I wouldn't have to do more courses!

Are there any companies that would traditonally take on less than experienced staff and develop them up? I'd be quite a fast learner

T2daK

many jobs for electronic commerce graduates?

vibe666

i think there's a lot to be said for short term intense IT courses with a cert at the end, but i can't see long term study giving you anything that you couldn't get in the same amount of time (or less) with the right work ethic, good experience and a few carefully picked certs to advance yourself in the right direction.

one of the biggest problems with that though is keeping yourself motivated to still do the study and get the certs whilst you're working. the IT sector is littered with guys (and girls) in 1st, 2nd & even 3rd level support roles that just stay where they are or only move up very very slowly and don't push themselves to get better positions and more qualifications.

personally, i was very lucky myself in "falling uphill" through a few risky moves paid off that got me into better and better positions over the years without very much in the way of certs, but i'm starting to pay for that now and i'm really going to have to push myself to get more qualifications if i want to move any further, possibly from a technical into a management type role.

shoegirl

red menace wrote: »

Heh was just coming on to ask that question also.
Likely moving back from Canada in September.
Be looking in the support/hardware deployment break/fix kind of gig

Development has excellent opportunities at present, and will probably continue to be good as there is a fairly high barrier to entry: very few employers will consider anybody with less than a certificate/diploma/degree.

Support is an entirely different kettle of fish. As a graduate you would be at an advantage over the scores of unemployed, contract and underemployed in this area at the moment battling it out. Contracting is so tight few are offering more than 3 months - many as little as 1 month or even 1 week, and its very common to hear of employers demanding a very full range of skills which a couple of years ago would have demanded 55-65k for permanent salaries on contract rates that would equate to annual incomes of 35k or less.

Just half an hour ago I got a call looking for 1 week rolling for support work paying 550 a week (minus the umbrella charges that equates to an annual income of 24k). On the other hand I get calls talking about rates mostly in the region of 220 to 350 per day, and contracts of up to 12 months. Permanent at this level is mostly 40-50k for Dublin: the arse has fallen out of the regions though, this kind of work is paying 30-35k in Cork and less elsewhere.

So if you are happy to stay, I would definitely finish the course, you'd have a huge competitive advantage over those who are banking on experience and industry certs only, but be prepared for tight competition and sometimes considerably lower than expectation rates and conditions.

shoegirl

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Haha, I was going to go on a similar rant myself.

Doing a lot of work with force.com at the moment and the only difference is that we are paying a license fee per user instead of hardware costs.

Don't kid yourself. A whole new SAN is about 200-400k just for the storage alone. force.com is probably netting you a bargain, the risk is you're at their mercy should they decide to hike up the cost per user.

shoegirl

Manach wrote: »

It seems to be tipping away in the IT sector in the Cork.

Thats interesting, because I left Cork a year ago after being laid off with 30 colleagues. 2 of us left Cork and got work elsewhere straight away, about another 20 got work within 6 months, but the remaining 8 or so are totally lost in no mans land. Anybody who is a bit older, a bit strange or has no qualifications is tending to suffer. Also lower end stuff like Windows support is a bit dead. A lot of them are also stuck because either they've no qualification at all and keep getting sidelined at interview selection stage or else won't work for lower salaries.

shoegirl

vibe666 wrote: »

there's plenty going on in the virtualisation arena at the minute, grab yourself a vmware vcp cert (4-5 day course) and should have plenty to keep you busy on decent money for the foreseeable future and its not something that looks like it's going to go away, there's a huge amount of growth in that sector of IT at the minute.

I hate to say it, but you need more than just a 5 day cert to get work in Virtualisation. I've got both versions 3 and 4, and a couple of years of experience but what most companies want is at a higher level (more VCDX) and vast degrees of knowledge of OSes and platforms as well as storage. O and storage too. Lots of people want an all-in-one rather than having to hire separate storage experts. So you need that also.

A little more than just "grab a 5 day" quickie I have to say.

Eoin

This is specifically about jobs in IT - can we keep the generic cloud computing stuff to this thread please.

mickman

shoegirl wrote: »

Thats interesting, because I left Cork a year ago after being laid off with 30 colleagues. 2 of us left Cork and got work elsewhere straight away, about another 20 got work within 6 months, but the remaining 8 or so are totally lost in no mans land. Anybody who is a bit older, a bit strange or has no qualifications is tending to suffer. Also lower end stuff like Windows support is a bit dead. A lot of them are also stuck because either they've no qualification at all and keep getting sidelined at interview selection stage or else won't work for lower salaries.

anyone who is a bit strange????

well u can hardly expect companies to take on people who come across as a bit strange now can u.

its very simple, IT is all about learning throughout your career and never stopping. if you dont like that idea then dont get into IT, get into something else. if you have the desire and determination to keep learning until you retire then you will be very successfull in IT

T2daK

seeing everyone is ignoring me. any jobs in the field of electronic commerce at present?

Smoggy

whats electronic commernce ? i dont think I have ever seen a job advertised as electronic commerce. Are you studying s/w or h/w ?

Eoin

eCommerce!

Smoggy

Eoin wrote: »

eCommerce!

Like Microsoft Commerce Server ? There are specific degrees in eCommerce ?

red menace

One quick question, hows the job market in Northern Ireland for IT?

Stheno

red menace wrote: »

One quick question, hows the job market in Northern Ireland for IT?

Fairly lively at the minute from friends working up there.

zweton

red menace wrote: »

One quick question, hows the job market in Northern Ireland for IT?

did canada not work out for you red menace?

red menace

zweton wrote: »

did canada not work out for you red menace?

We both love it here and have good jobs but my visa application was declined, we will be reapplying but preparing contingencies in case of it not going through.