Zerg v Terran

Orizio

RoyalMarine wrote: »

what ive seen very effective is vikings sitting over thors+marines.

mutas cant get near them, and the vikings seriously outrange the mutas, so it forces zerg to pull back.

Again the problem is with inefficiency. You are better off sinking the mins/gas spent on vikings into rines/tanks/medivacs. I mean what you say might be effective - but your army compisition could, imo, be better.

To some up, before there is more angst, the only times you use vikings in TvZ for are (a) sniping overlords early game or (b) killing broodlords late game.

Fringe

Vikings are really bad in ZvT. If you look at the helper thing and look at the viking, mutalisks are one of the units it is weak against. Sure, they might be able to help fight mutalisks but I think you're better off spending that money/gas on upgrades/more marines. 3/3 marines do so well against mutas. The only time you should use vikings are when the Zerg uses Brood Lords. Although a common tactic is for Zerg to take advantage of this by switching to ultras making your vikings take up supply.

EDIT: I missed the post above which pretty much says all I've said.

UnholyGregor

just get a shtload of banelings with roll, and try move comand them into the midle of all the marines, so they dont suicide on tanks or thors.
then send in some mutas to clean up ay medivacs, and mabey a handfull of marines and marauders.
ideally, youl want about 20 mutas, and about 50 or 60 banes/lings

Khazidhea

Tenger just wished vikings killed mutas. But they dont. Take it easy man, no one is being offensive


Yeah banelings nuzzle marines, hug them, love them. Day9

Xios

Khazidhea wrote: »

Yeah banelings nuzzle marines, hug them, love them. Day9

can you link a clip from this? I wanna show a friend.

Khazidhea

It was first game on the last funday monday, which is by the way ONE OF THE BEST AND FUNNIEST funday mondays ever and they are ALL awesome. I still dont get the micro joke tho =\

I wasnt able to find the short version anywhere. But here is the daily:

http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-311-funday-monday-no-keyboard-no-problem-5253408

and it starts about 4:30

and micro joke is in the last game ... ah just watch the whole damn episode

Xios

Ty, my friend lol'd

Tenger

Khazidhea wrote: »

Tenger just wished vikings killed mutas. But they dont. Take it easy man, no one is being offensive

Vikings are the way they are, I don't want a change. I was trying to see the problem from the point of a very new player (who probably assumes/hopes vikings counter mutas) and got strongly opposed for giving wrong advice.

Incidently I hate muta harass. Got hit with it earlier today. Spotted it in time so had a thor and turrets up as he hit me. Thor/marine ball defended about 4 assaults before I managed to wipe them out. (I had a small number of vikings which were able to bait the odd muta into turret/thor range!) He stopped the muta play so I was able to use the thor's (and ravens) to help my tanks strangle his creep spread and kill him. Got called a noob though!

Khazidhea

I actually lost one of my first games in beta because of vikings vs muta thing. It was TvZ on blistering sands, I kill his natural but he defends with mutas. Then I remember something about the vikings from the lore:

"In the aftermath of the Brood War, weapon technicians proposed a radical new concept to resolve the critical weaknesses in Terran anti-air capabilities. Viking was designed to be the ultimate anti-air and ground-support weapon system and to replace old and immobile goliaths"

Sweet! So I build a bunch of them and they get CRUSHED by mutas

P.S. Generally when people call you a noob when they lose it means you did something right