Interesting Take On Low-Carb Diet

ClareVisitor

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/jun/07/inside-track-eating-carbohydrates

It give a very rough guide as to how much spuds (or rice, pasta etc.)/ meat / vegetables you should be eating.

Damn my small hands!!!

El_Dangeroso

Complex carbs, found in foods such as rice and potatoes, are needed for fibre, vitamins, minerals and essential fats.

I do think people long term people need some carbs for adequate mucin production, plus I believe producing glucose from protein is taxing on the liver long term. You can avoid this by consuming 100g a day.

Having said that the above statement is bizarre. Isn't the best source of essential fats, well, fats? Plus it's almost impossible to induce a true essential fatty acid deficiency unless you are eating zero fat for ages.

Also rice has bugger all nutrition, I do eat it but I don't expect anything from it but starch, even brown has not much and has phytic acid which prevents the absorption of nutrients.

This is a disturbing trend I've noticed, nutritionists are now recommending to reduce fat AND carbs, you can't rely on protein for energy, long term (post weight loss) you need one or the other as bulk of calories.

Iristxo

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

This is a disturbing trend I've noticed, nutritionists are now recommending to reduce fat AND carbs, you can't rely on protein for energy, long term (post weight loss) you need one or the other as bulk of calories.

You can really do 30%, 30% and 40% choosing whatever combination you like, could you not? Personally I'd be inclined to do 30% protein, 30% fat and 40% carbs. You don't want to do too many carbs but neither too much protein or fats. However I do not think is worth it obsessing about it and I certainly would not go inputting your data into fitday in the long run or whatever, so long as you know what you're getting more or less should be enough. Too much obsessing about it is not good either.

El_Dangeroso

Iristxo wrote: »

You can really do 30%, 30% and 40% choosing whatever combination you like, could you not? Personally I'd be inclined to do 30% protein, 30% fat and 40% carbs. You don't want to do too many carbs but neither too much protein or fats. However I do not think is worth it obsessing about it and I certainly would not go inputting your data into fitday in the long run or whatever, so long as you know what you're getting more or less should be enough. Too much obsessing about it is not good either.

Totally! Though I love the nitty gritty of nutrition, it's my passion.

Do you mean 40% protein? Cos that's way too much, 30% is very high, 15-25% is what you normally find people eat if they're not losing weight.

Low fat is <25% low carb is <25% that leaves 25% unaccounted for! Plus what do you eat when out and about, a person cannot survive on salads alone!

Just to qualify here I'm talking about a maintenance diet as all weight loss diets are by design, high fat.:cool:

Red Cortina

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

This is a disturbing trend I've noticed, nutritionists are now recommending to reduce fat AND carbs, you can't rely on protein for energy, long term (post weight loss) you need one or the other as bulk of calories.

You'd swear from reading any women's magazine that the most healthy diet ever was some veg with a bit of steamed fish thrown in:rolleyes:

Iristxo wrote: »

However I do not think is worth it obsessing about it and I certainly would not go inputting your data into fitday in the long run or whatever, so long as you know what you're getting more or less should be enough. Too much obsessing about it is not good either.

I agree with you totally. I have been that person who used to write up a food diary ever week with every morsel eaten logged to be submitted for review by the PT that I used to go to and it sure as hell takes the fun out of life. I try to just eat real food these days...

Iristxo

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Totally! Though I love the nitty gritty of nutrition, it's my passion.

Do you mean 40% protein? Cos that's way too much, 30% is very high, 15-25% is what you normally find people eat if they're not losing weight.

Low fat is <25% low carb is <25% that leaves 25% unaccounted for! Plus what do you eat when out and about, a person cannot survive on salads alone!

Just to qualify here I'm talking about a maintenance diet as all weight loss diets are by design, high fat.:cool:

Ok, we'll amend that, so 15-25% protein, 30-35% fat and around 50% carbs. In any case I find that, with a composition like this where 50% of the cals come from protein and fat, even if you eat the other 50% carbs you will still stay full for a long time and you do tend to eat a lot less calories in total.

El_Dangeroso

Iristxo wrote: »

Ok, we'll amend that, so 15-25% protein, 30-35% fat and around 50% carbs. In any case I find that, with a composition like this where 50% of the cals come from protein and fat, even if you eat the other 50% carbs you will still stay full for a long time and you do tend to eat a lot less calories in total.

Tbh, that's the proportion what the average american eats, except 5 times too much.

But you wouldn't get 50% of calories from carbs from a handful per meal like that nutritionist recommended. I'd eat that and I score about 30-35% tops. So you're still left with making up for something. You can't go low everything.

Red Cortina, you are so right!! That's the stock photo that appears next to those 'lose 10lb in 10 days' articles on the cover of womans weekly.

Gummy Panda

I'm a bit confused

I advise clients to follow a "glycaemic loading diet", which is about combining the right proteins with the right starchy carbohydrates to give steady, slow-release energy.

Can't I get that slow-release energy from the high levels of fat I'm eating?

Anyway if someone wants something interesting to read, check out NU's Quest for Carnivory!

NU is a mod on myprotein.com forums who cut out all plant food from his diet back in 2008. His food would all come from the animal kingdom. He was basically trying to re-create the experiences of Vilhjalmur Stefansson and see if he suffers a Vitamin C deficiency.

El_Dangeroso

Gummy Panda wrote: »

I'm a bit confused



Can't I get that slow-release energy from the high levels of fat I'm eating?

Anyway if someone wants something interesting to read, check out NU's Quest for Carnivory!

NU is a mod on myprotein.com forums who cut out all plant food from his diet back in 2008. His food would all come from the animal kingdom. He was basically trying to re-create the experiences of Vilhjalmur Stefansson and see if he suffers a Vitamin C deficiency.

I would think he'd do fine for a year or less, but he'd notice a subtle deterioration in health, unless he is eating his meat raw, a serious amount of bones, skin and organ meats (including eyes and blood!) then he's not getting enough vitamin C, magnesium, potassium or B vitamins to name a few.

We're omnivores for a reason I think.

Gummy Panda

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

I would think he'd do fine for a year or less, but he'd notice a subtle deterioration in health, unless he is eating his meat raw, a serious amount of bones, skin and organ meats (including eyes and blood!) then he's not getting enough vitamin C, magnesium, potassium or B vitamins to name a few.

We're omnivores for a reason I think.

Yeah he expected to last a few months and then get scurvy but it never seemed to happen. He became more ultra sensitive to stuff like processed meats. IIRC bacon was giving him stomach upset. I found it very interesting to read especially when he got home test kits. He is still currently ultra low carb.

Personally I'd miss broccoli (sad I know) , nuts and berries to go to that level.