misses eavan boland??

ak4

if she does come up the chances are the question will be a toughie
mythological seems to be what people are expecting to come up
out of the poems i have dont of hers the only one that adheres to this theme is "this moment"
problem or not ?

LittleMissLost

Jaze if anything to do with "mythology" comes up on her she's out the window for me! :L

I'm guessing you'd have to know a good bit of background on mythology & that?

ak4

same but i am expecting a hard question

nommm

I don't think they'll ask about mythology. It's too specific, everyones studied different poems by her so they have to make sure there's a question for everyone.

Salty

I think mythology would be a nice question. It's very obvious in This Moment, Love, and Child of Our Time.

Duda17

Pomegranate is the best example of mythology.

partyatmygaff

_meehan_ wrote: »

I think mythology would be a nice question. It's very obvious in This Moment, Love, and Child of Our Time.

"Love" definitely but the other two?

ak4

_meehan_ wrote: »

I think mythology would be a nice question. It's very obvious in This Moment, Love, and Child of Our Time.

love....maybe
this moment....yes
child of our time...hardly

Maybe_Memories

LittleMissLost wrote: »

Jaze if anything to do with "mythology" comes up on her she's out the window for me! :L

You made me LOL :L

implausible

ak4 wrote: »

love....maybe
this moment....yes
child of our time...hardly

In Child of Our Time, she refers to legends and tales! In this poem, mythology is seen as essential to teach and to entertain them. Instead of hearing these tales, the child is dead.

partyatmygaff

ak4 wrote: »

love....maybe
this moment....yes
child of our time...hardly

Am I missing something here?

Love has a pretty clear and obvious allusion to Homer's Odyssey.
The Pomegranate mentions the myth of Ceres and Persephone.

But as for This Moment, I can't see how it is in any way related to mythology.

nommm

I think we're more likely to get a question about how she uses history/the past in her poems to show the message she trying to communicate. It could be used for more of her poems. As I said before Myth is far too specific to be asked!

ak4

nommm wrote: »

I think we're more likely to get a question about how she uses history/the past in her poems to show the message she trying to communicate. It could be used for more of her poems. As I said before Myth is far too specific to be asked!

if its anything to do with history comes up.........Screaming F*CK YEAH! in an exam everytime you come across a question you actually know the answer to. is what il be doing :P

Salty

Sorry about the confusion! I'm half asleep...I meant to write down Outside History, not Child of Our Time, but someone else mentioned a way of bringing it into Child of Our Time, and I'd say it's perfectly viable.

In This Moment, the image of the apple can be considered mythical allusion. It's linked with the loss of innocence etc...according to my teacher of course!

ak4

_meehan_ wrote: »

Sorry about the confusion! I'm half asleep...I meant to write down Outside History, not Child of Our Time, but someone else mentioned a way of bringing it into Child of Our Time, and I'd say it's perfectly viable.

In This Moment, the image of the apple can be considered mythical allusion. It's linked with the loss of innocence etc...according to my teacher of course!

yeee the apple can be used for adam and eve my teacher said but ud hardly get a page or so outta that

partyatmygaff

ak4 wrote: »

yeee the apple can be used for adam and eve my teacher said but ud hardly get a page or so outta that

That's really stretching it a bit far. The apple in the story of Adam and Eve was what made them lose their innocence. You couldn't really use it as a symbol for innocence which is what the poem is about.

Not only that but i'd argue that the "Apples sweeten in the dark" line is just there to add cinematic effect to the domestic scene. The poem is all about imagery.

ak4

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's really stretching it a bit far. The apple in the story of Adam and Eve was what made them lose their innocence. You couldn't really use it as a symbol for innocence which is what the poem is about.

Not only that but i'd argue that the "Apples sweeten in the dark" line is just there to add cinematic effect to the domestic scene. The poem is all about imagery.

there is innocence in that the actual moment is a mother embracing her child

partyatmygaff

ak4 wrote: »

there is innocence in that the actual moment is a mother embracing her child

I didn't say otherwise. There is innocence yes but there is no evidence to suggest the poem is about loss of innocence.

implausible

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's really stretching it a bit far. The apple in the story of Adam and Eve was what made them lose their innocence. You couldn't really use it as a symbol for innocence which is what the poem is about.

Not only that but i'd argue that the "Apples sweeten in the dark" line is just there to add cinematic effect to the domestic scene. The poem is all about imagery.

And the image is a timeless universal one i.e. mythological

Every poem doesn't have to fit in exactly with the essay question. Just because This Moment doesn't 'fit', doesn't mean you should leave it out; you just refer to any mythological allusions (or lack thereof) in the poem in your discussion and move onto the next poem, where you can discuss mythology in more detail.

MikeHough

White Hawthorn in the West of Ireland???

GoldFour4

This moment is really streching it. Pommengranate and love are where I'd be looking at. This moment doesn't really connect with mythology in any way according to the notes we got anyway.

Ronan Keating

The uncut fruit in The Pomegranate is a sex object. She did not want to eat the fruit but left it at her bedside. The rebellious child is becoming an adult.

Grindylow

nommm wrote: »

I don't think they'll ask about mythology. It's too specific, everyones studied different poems by her so they have to make sure there's a question for everyone.

No they don't. They can ask whatever they please..

My guess would be either a question on the mythological ideas or domestic images..

rockycoolness22

Domestic Images would be a dream..

Say if a mythological question came up could you say something like

"Boland features mythological imagery (or whatever) in plenty of her poems but she also features images of war, domestic life"

that way you could kind of fit everything into the one question?
Or would that be stretching it a bit?

Grindylow

rockycoolness22 wrote: »

Domestic Images would be a dream..

Say if a mythological question came up could you say something like

"Boland features mythological imagery (or whatever) in plenty of her poems but she also features images of war, domestic life"

that way you could kind of fit everything into the one question?
Or would that be stretching it a bit?

I'd say it'd be stretching it way too far!

You could disagree completely with it having mythological imagery and go on to say *why*, stating that in reality it's the opposite and consists of banal imagery consistent with that of many other poets..

rockycoolness22

Yes thats what I thought, just wanted to see what y'all thought.

Thats a good idea about disagreeing with it, Im so slow today never even thought of that thank you!

implausible

Ye are all on about 'stretching it', that's exactly what you have to do! As long as you refer to the title in your question, you'll get the marks, even if it's in the negative e.g. Unlike "The Pomegranate" "The War Horse" does not deal with any specific mythology, it concentrates on the land's memory of the past.... You don't just have to refer to the poems that have 'mythology' obviously stamped across them. She deals with personal memories (self-mythologising) and the past always being present. This past is so distant and unclear that to many of us, it may as well be myth.

Anyway, most of the HL questions tend to be two-parters e.g. mythology and domesticity. Just make sure your refer to each part in each paragraph to get your coding - in this case M and D.

BillabongMad

If Mythology came up could you try compare it with the other images? Say how the myth of whatever in this poem strengthens the overall image of War/whatever? holy **** I need to go revise mythology, thank god I saw this today

Salty

ak4 wrote: »

yeee the apple can be used for adam and eve my teacher said but ud hardly get a page or so outta that

You could get a little paragraph out of it. You don't have to write a page about all your poems.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's really stretching it a bit far. The apple in the story of Adam and Eve was what made them lose their innocence. You couldn't really use it as a symbol for innocence which is what the poem is about.

Not only that but i'd argue that the "Apples sweeten in the dark" line is just there to add cinematic effect to the domestic scene. The poem is all about imagery.

We covered it in class so that we could use it. Boland makes a mythical allusion to the apple, which is symbolic of change and loss of innocence. Just like "apples sweeten," the child will eventually lose their innocence and unvarnished trust. The change will be so gradual, and "in the dark," however, that the mother will not consciously feel the transition of time, as she is experiencing it. This heightens the significance of these fleeting moments, as she does not know when they will stop.

You can make a case for anything as long as you have a feasible argument for it. Everyone has a different take on poetry, so what you might think is wrong, another will think is right. It's all subjective.

implausible

BillabongMad wrote: »

If Mythology came up could you try compare it with the other images? Say how the myth of whatever in this poem strengthens the overall image of War/whatever? holy **** I need to go revise mythology, thank god I saw this today

Of course you can, as long as you refer to the title given on the day. I doubt you need to revise it, you know the poems where it is obvious, you just need to write in an extra line or two to make it relevant to the other poems.

DaveMur1

What ever happened to the simple , "Write a personal respone to the poetry of......"
People seem to be putting way to much time into poets. How many people have spent this much time perfecting their language in the composition that's worth 100 marks ???

implausible

DaveMur1 wrote: »

What ever happened to the simple , "Write a personal respone to the poetry of......"
People seem to be putting way to much time into poets. How many people have spent this much time perfecting their language in the composition that's worth 100 marks ???

Those questions were used when the course was new. Now that it's well-established and settled down, the questions have become more specific.

You're right though, people spent waaaaaaay too much time on it.

higgz

Wouldn't a question on mythology just completely exclude "the war horse", "child of our time" and "famine road" :eek:

I can't see mythology coming up, who started this rumour in the first place?????

DaveMur1

higgz wrote: »

Wouldn't a question on mythology just completely exclude "the war horse", "child of our time" and "famine road" :eek:

I can't see mythology coming up, who started this rumour in the first place?????

The <nice people> in examcraft who decided to put it on our pre paper.

ak4

DaveMur1 wrote: »

What ever happened to the simple , "Write a personal respone to the poetry of......"
People seem to be putting way to much time into poets. How many people have spent this much time perfecting their language in the composition that's worth 100 marks ???

out of the four poets there only bes one personal response

implausible

higgz wrote: »

Wouldn't a question on mythology just completely exclude "the war horse", "child of our time" and "famine road" :eek:

I can't see mythology coming up, who started this rumour in the first place?????

If you read through this thread, you'd see that I've been saying that you don't just leave out poems because they don't 'fit'. You have to discuss the poem and refer to the title, even if you're saying that mythology is not an obvious theme in the poem.

Mythology is one of her themes, but as I've said before, I doubt it will come up on its own.

J_E

They're anticipating a hard Boland question because too many people are solely relying on her to get them through, and ignoring the other poets.

ak4

higgz wrote: »

Wouldn't a question on mythology just completely exclude "the war horse", "child of our time" and "famine road" :eek:

I can't see mythology coming up, who started this rumour in the first place?????

there 3 of my poems to so if it comes up am foooked

ak4

Cydoniac wrote: »

They're anticipating a hard Boland question because too many people are solely relying on her to get them through, and ignoring the other poets.

i agreee and am one of them

Salty

DaveMur1 wrote: »

The <nice people> in examcraft who decided to put it on our pre paper.

My teacher had been saying that mythology could feature as part of a question. It probably wouldn't come up by itself, but it could come up in a question about universal themes.

moviequoter

If the mythology question on Eavan Boland comes up, here are the poems that feature it:

Child of our time - Very mildly, but she does say "Tales to distract, leends to protect". You can at least mention it.

The War Horse - I personally feel that this refers to 'The Trojan Horse' in mythology.

Love - She likens her partner to Aeneas - a mythological hero who went to the underworld. It is referred to a lot in this poem.

The Pomegranate - Myth of Persephone and Ceres, mother and daughter who were tragically separated.

I'd say if you discuss all of these, you'll be alright for that question.

Aoifums

I'd love a mythology question, since I do Classics. But when I referenced actually legends in the mocks it was given a giant question mark. And it was relevent! I don't want to risk that happening again.
I'm screwed if a history question comes up. But I'll try to swing the title to include mythology under the guise of ancient history.

randylonghorn

DaveMur1 wrote: »

What ever happened to the simple , "Write a personal respone to the poetry of......"

It became apparent that it was an open invitation to people to prepare and learn off essays and regurgitate them in the exam ... or worse, to cog them from grinds schools or elsewhere.

DaveMur1

randylonghorn wrote: »

It became apparent that it was an open invitation to people to prepare and learn off essays and regurgitate them in the exam ... or worse, to cog them from grinds schools or elsewhere.

Ahh , I suppose that's a fair point. Hopefully the <nice people> in SEC will have nice questions picked out then for this year!

PJelly

That bit about using "This Moment" in a mythology answer just seems like grasping at straws to be honest.

Love - Alludes to Aeneas' journey to hell
Pomegranate - Ceres and Persephone blah blah blah
And the only other one I can think of that mentions it is..
Outside History - ""Out of myth into history I move to be" (I think that's right)

But to get a full answer, about 4/5 pages out on that? Hell no.
I see myth more as a point rather than a full essay.

CdeP

Does anyone know for certain who the "hero in a text" refered to by Boland in 'Love' is?

I've seen Aeneas, Odysseus and Orpheus all suggested so clarification (if possible) would be much appreciated.

partyatmygaff

I'm quite sure it's Aeneas.

implausible

CdeP wrote: »

Does anyone know for certain who the "hero in a text" refered to by Boland in 'Love' is?

I've seen Aeneas, Odysseus and Orpheus all suggested so clarification (if possible) would be much appreciated.

It doesn't matter. What matters is her mythologising of her husband and their relationship. It could be any hero.

WhiskeyGoblin

PJelly wrote: »

But to get a full answer, about 4/5 pages out on that? Hell no.

4/5 pages?
Jasus, i wouldnt even be touching that length for this question.
2/3 max..
Then again i prefer to go by quality not quantity not saying you dont though
But Jasus, i'd rather walk out of an exam than write 4/5 pages and poetry

GoldFour4

marko93 wrote: »

4/5 pages?
Jasus, i wouldnt even be touching that length for this question.
2/3 max..
Then again i prefer to go by quality not quantity not saying you dont though
But Jasus, i'd rather walk out of an exam than write 4/5 pages and poetry

Im loving this 2 pages for poetry nonsense.

WhiskeyGoblin

malachyscott wrote: »

Im loving this 2 pages for poetry nonsense.

Strong hatred for poetry thought in school. Ruins it for me, and i certainly cannot justify 4/5 pages for 12.5%.. they must be mad if they think they're getting anything close to it