Motor Tax 10% not paying

rodento

Whats the government going to do to address this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/onein10-drivers-refusing-to-pay-for-motor-tax-2667077.html

Would like to see parked cars clamped if they have motor tax over 3mths out of date or uninsured

Marty McFly

rodento wrote: »

Whats the government going to do to address this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/onein10-drivers-refusing-to-pay-for-motor-tax-2667077.html

Would like to see parked cars clamped if they have motor tax over 3mths out of date or uninsured

Why? Uninsured I thinks its disgrace should have there license taken off them, but no tax dont have a problem in the slightest, do you not think motor tax in this country is ridicilous? Add to that the high cost of petrol in this country most of which goes to the taxman, and toll bridges which the goverment gets a cut off, Irish motorists are already being fleeced enoguh by this goverment, I know I myself usually get around three to four free moths tax a year by stamping it off the road. I pay a a huge amount of taxes as it is in this country, and now there adding water and home taxes, and you complain about the irish motorist not bending over and taking it harder.

dan_d

Probably the same things they're doing about SW fraud.

pog it

Don't blame them.

Why pay tax if you can get away with it when it is going to pay the debts of the banks and the interest payments to the ECB.

No thanks.

carm

That's just given another 200 people on the forum the idea to the 'off-the-road' loophole.

What if I am unable to pay for my motor tax and I have to leave my car parked. Do you want to clamp my car because I haven't got the funds to pay to have it driven?

How would you differentiate my position to the person who "doesn't want to pay" tax?

charlemont

rodento wrote: »

Whats the government going to do to address this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/onein10-drivers-refusing-to-pay-for-motor-tax-2667077.html

Would like to see parked cars clamped if they have motor tax over 3mths out of date or uninsured

Why does it upset you so much ?

Any car out of tax for 3months or older can be seized anyway..

superfish

motor tax is daylight robbery in this country my farther lives in england and drives a 2.0 diesel mondeo his tax for the year is 155 pounds, I drive a similar size 1.9 tdi octavia here and its 165euro for three month. its a complete joke then you have the price of diesel combined with the state of the roads eating tyres an shocks an so on

rodento

carm wrote: »

That's just given another 200 people on the forum the idea to the 'off-the-road' loophole.

What if I am unable to pay for my motor tax and I have to leave my car parked. Do you want to clamp my car because I haven't got the funds to pay to have it driven?

How would you differentiate my position to the person who "doesn't want to pay" tax?

Simple, if your car is parked on a public road you should be paying tax and it should be clamped if it isn't

Another idea is for motor tax to send a list to the gaurds of all un taxed cars and get them to pay the owners a short visit, would be way quicker and more effective than random road checks

kippy

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Why? Uninsured I thinks its disgrace should have there license taken off them, but no tax dont have a problem in the slightest, do you not think motor tax in this country is ridicilous? Add to that the high cost of petrol in this country most of which goes to the taxman, and toll bridges which the goverment gets a cut off, Irish motorists are already being fleeced enoguh by this goverment, I know I myself usually get around three to four free moths tax a year by stamping it off the road. I pay a a huge amount of taxes as it is in this country, and now there adding water and home taxes, and you complain about the irish motorist not bending over and taking it harder.

Why pay any tax at all if thats your standpoint on it?

I frankly don't give two ****s as to why someone hasn't gotten car tax - if they can't afford it then don't have a car or get a smaller car.
I pay my taxes, never been late and it sicken me to think that people get away without paying car tax (tax in general to be honest) no matter what these taxes pay for.
If you arent happy with the tax - bring it up with your elected representative - if there are enough people not happy with the situation changes may take place but with the country in the state that it is in its unlikely any of these taxes will be dropping.

murphaph

rodento wrote: »

Simple, if your car is parked on a public road you should be paying tax and it should be clamped if it isn't

Another idea is for motor tax to send a list to the gaurds of all un taxed cars and get them to pay the owners a short visit, would be way quicker and more effective than random road checks

What if you go travelling for a year and you live in a housing complex with no off road parking? Should you really have to tax the car for the full year? Nonsense.

We should have already introduced the SORN system as in the UK, but like many things our public service should have done, it hasn't been.

feicim

rodento wrote: »

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Another idea is for motor tax to send a list to the gaurds of all un taxed cars and get them to pay the owners a short visit, would be way quicker and more effective than random road checks

Why should the guards be involved in collecting tax at all?

Maybe concerned citizens such as yourself, (the aptly named "rodento") could take it upon themselves to creep around housing estates under cover of darkness and take a note of cars with no tax and report them to the authorities.

AlekSmart

murphaph wrote: »

We should have already introduced the SORN system as in the UK, but like many things our public service should have done, it hasn't been.

If I were a bettin man,Murphaph,I'd lay a few bob on the results of this oul softening-up process being the introduction of an Irishified SORN notice...most likely being operated by somebody like the Go-Safe Consortium on behalf of the Minister etc etc....

If these hide-bound senior Civil Servants (Who Actually run the country) were at all concerned with a fair and equitable system then we would have a mechanism whereby one could tax a car for non-consecutive periods,thereby allowing for a far more flexible Public Transport/Private Motoring mix.

Currently,our administrators are fixated on an Either/Or scenario with almost no thought being given to introducing or facilitating sharing or complementary Car/PT usage.

Owen

Talking to someone who has access to figures last week, it's a lot more than 10%.

tipptom

You know they raped the country into a standstill and made the poorest section unemployed so all they can afford to drive are older cars and now they expect these same people to pay back the billions while putting a penal road tax on them and people who need 7 seaters while the wealthy can just go out and buy a new car and pay 150 for the year.Maybe if they squeesed the cops pay and overtime a bit more they might come round to a more sympathetic view to their revenue gathering from people who are already on the edge.People should pay their road tax but its got to be fair.

johnnyskeleton

rodento wrote: »

Whats the government going to do to address this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/onein10-drivers-refusing-to-pay-for-motor-tax-2667077.html

Would like to see parked cars clamped if they have motor tax over 3mths out of date or uninsured

Maybe people genuinely are putting their cars off the road because of high tax, high insurance and high costs of petrol/diesel. Presumably this figure also includes people who have permanently taken their car off the road because they are emigrating and can't sell it / won't sell it below a certain price.

All the stats show is the numbers coming off the road. There is nothing to suggest it is a scam, other than sindo journalism and maybe a bit of a presumption of bad faith against the Irish people.

AlekSmart

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Maybe people genuinely are putting their cars off the road because of high tax, high insurance and high costs of petrol/diesel. Presumably this figure also includes people who have permanently taken their car off the road because they are emigrating and can't sell it / won't sell it below a certain price.

All the stats show is the numbers coming off the road. There is nothing to suggest it is a scam, other than sindo journalism and maybe a bit of a presumption of bad faith against the Irish people.

Very true Johnnyskeleton.

I'd be rather more inclined to see the "Scam" as being perpetrated by a section of the Departmental establishment who have a stack of data in front of them and desperately need to spin-it-out to give their Minister a bit of Air Time,leading on to giving him an opportunity to strike a blow against these car owning "criminals"

It's somewhat depressing indeed to see the Department attempting to ascribe criminal intent (defrauding the State) on a significant number of people who perhaps are struggling hard to keep themselves off the dole.

I would agree that it would be a far better Journalistic endeavour for the Independent to respond to the Department's allegations with a "Prove it Bud" response...:eek:

rodento

The Department of Transport analysed data from the toll operators of Dublin's M50 motorway, where the number plates of vehicles using the motorway were cross-checked against motor-tax records.

Looks like figures only represent those who use the M50

Patser

There have been calls for, and this article shows why, motor tax to be scrapped and instead the tax on fuel to be increased to compensate for this. That way if you're out driving at all, then you're paying tax. If you're driving an ineffecient gas guzzler, then you'll be paying more tax than the hybrid owner - unless the Hybrid owner is doing 10,000k and you're bringing your V8 out for a 20km weekend spin - this'll be true polluter pays policy. All this frees up Garda time, gets rid of the civil servants manning the tax desks and guarantees tax income.


Instead the last bunch in Govt simply increased the duties anyway and raised motor tax, til motorists were being squeezed to the point of evasion. I pay my motor tax on my sports car and dislike the idea of others going free but it's impossible for the Guards to check and confiscate every car.

jimmynokia

We pay tax on everything now they want us to pay for water,i use the same loophole,look at the state of the roads,look at what happened in the bad weather they could not pay for the grit or repair the roads and the grit was distributed at a bare minimum,where has all our car tax money gone?The roads are in sh1te people would not mind if the roads where half decent
all you see is taxes taxes taxes hike hike hike from this country.
SO if you can get away with car tax go ahead and for the post up there saying what if i had to park my car,PARK IT IN A PRIVATE CAR PARK.

AlekSmart

rodento wrote: »

The Department of Transport analysed data from the toll operators of Dublin's M50 motorway, where the number plates of vehicles using the motorway were cross-checked against motor-tax records.

Looks like figures only represent those who use the M50

It's also a very interesting example of inter-agency,cross-sector co-operation.

Bearing in mind the highly dubious parentage,gestation,birth and adolescence of the M50/West Link baby I would see a certain taint to this little data-collection "arrangement".

I wonder aloud if the generous terms of the West-Link buy-out were crafted with this type of co-operation in mind ?

The Automatic Number Plate Recognition technology is now quite well established and AFAIAW is currently used in a number of locations.

I'm equally confident that the other "most favoured" successful Toll Franchisee's will be only too happy to facilitate the DOE's hunger for more evidence of evil wrongdoing on the part of Irish Motorists !

argosy2006

Eliminate tax, and put it on the fuel, Problem solved, 0.30 extra on fuel,,
i'd have no problem with that as i drive very lil, also be able to claim tax back if in fact you pay more on the fuel tax than you would have on the tax due to been someone who drives a lot !

recedite

rodento wrote: »

The Department of Transport analysed data from the toll operators of Dublin's M50 motorway, where the number plates of vehicles using the motorway were cross-checked against motor-tax records.

Looks like figures only represent those who use the M50

Refining the stats further, were they heading home to de northside or the southside ? :pac:

Head The Wall

rodento wrote: »

The Department of Transport analysed data from the toll operators of Dublin's M50 motorway, where the number plates of vehicles using the motorway were cross-checked against motor-tax records.

Looks like figures only represent those who use the M50

recedite wrote: »

Refining the stats further, were they heading home to de northside or the southside ? :pac:

The 10% could also be cars doing multiple crossings a day on the M50 so it could be a smaller figure again. If your car isn't taxed you won't be liable for the tolls so these people would be inclined to use it more.


Ha ha, these guys really do believe their shít doesn't stink

Labour TD Robert Dowds said that if everyone paid, motor tax rates might fall. "The loss of money is substantial," he said. "If everyone paid a fair amount, it might be possible to lower the cost of motor tax slightly in the long run."

_Kaiser_

argosy2006 wrote: »

Eliminate tax, and put it on the fuel, Problem solved, 0.30 extra on fuel,,
i'd have no problem with that as i drive very lil, also be able to claim tax back if in fact you pay more on the fuel tax than you would have on the tax due to been someone who drives a lot !

That's fine IF you don't drive a lot - or more specifically don't HAVE to drive a lot!

But for someone like myself, who's doing 1000km a week just to get in and out of work every day, there's not really an alternative.

Sure I could get the Bus Eireann bus - which would take 2.5 hrs upwards (vs the 75 mins it takes me now), force me to leave much earlier (and probably still end up standing around anyway), oh and walk 20 mins to the bus stop in the first place in all weather conditions. And of course, because this bus doesn't go anywhere near my actual job, I'd need another bus too.
At that rate I'd be on the go from 7am to maybe 10pm (I currently work 10-6:30).

So move closer then? Sure if I had the money to do that and the certainty that the job will still be there in a few months (which it probably won't be unfortunately). Oh and why did I move out in the first place? Well because at the time I WAS working down here - until I was made redundant in late 2009.

Sure I'd love to buy a newer car and get the "cheap tax" but unfortunately I don't have that option and so my 06 2L diesel (with 170,000km and rising rapidly!) will have to last me that bit longer - despite the increasing cost of servicing it.. never mind the high tax it draws vs a "cheap" new 520D.

The reality for a lot of people is that there IS no realistic, viable alternative to running a car if they need to work. Not everyone lives on a LUAS or DART line (which in itself isn't of any use to over half the city!) and you only need to have a look around the Commuting forum for tales of how Dublin Bus runs its operations - unless of course you live on the 46A route that is.. I gather that one runs pretty well! :rolleyes:

And ultimately at this point in this country, why do you (not you specifically argosy) care? It's not like any money that's being collected by these taxes, levies, and charges are going back into the country - they're going right out the door to pay for the gambling debts of an elite that long since have moved THEIR (taxable) income elsewhere!

However, all that said I DO agree that everyone should pay their fair share on principle, and I DO pay my inflated motor tax every quarter (as well as all these increasingly inventive means our "leaders" are coming up with to squeeze every last cent from us) but it's becoming increasingly hard to justify it to myself or my bank balance when you take into account the reality that it seems to be only people like myself (those trying to work and pay their debts and survive) that are having to do this!

Personally I'm probably going to leave this sinking ship within the year - not just for practical employment and monetary reasons, but also because I'm increasingly disgusted with the way decisions have and are being made in this country, as well as the attitude of too many of my fellow Irish - who, as long as it's not personally affecting THEM, are all too willing to vilify and burn at the economic stake anyone less able to manage than themselves!

barochoc

Patser wrote: »

There have been calls for, and this article shows why, motor tax to be scrapped and instead the tax on fuel to be increased to compensate for this. That way if you're out driving at all, then you're paying tax. If you're driving an ineffecient gas guzzler, then you'll be paying more tax than the hybrid owner - unless the Hybrid owner is doing 10,000k and you're bringing your V8 out for a 20km weekend spin - this'll be true polluter pays policy. All this frees up Garda time, gets rid of the civil servants manning the tax desks and guarantees tax income.


Instead the last bunch in Govt simply increased the duties anyway and raised motor tax, til motorists were being squeezed to the point of evasion. I pay my motor tax on my sports car and dislike the idea of others going free but it's impossible for the Guards to check and confiscate every car.

It's the only fair system but I doubt it'll EVER happen because for the 100's or 1000's employed sitting at desks in the motor tax office! Where will they go? If they reckon they're losing €1.5m a week I think that's motivation enough. No way it'll cost them more than €1.5m a week (for a short period) to make that staff redundant or relocate them.

I think €0.30 is a little steep as suggested but more like an extra €0.10 - 0.15 per liter. They're already shafting us with excessive tax on the fuel & to rub more salt in to the wound, VAT on top of that!

How about a bulk buying fuel system? Imagine no more road tax, then you pay the extra few cent per liter & the government wins. You can't drive without paying tax (unless your name is Slab Murphy) You are given opportunities to buy fuel in bulk using the mobile top up machines (they're almost everywhere) or by using your credit card or similar. Instead of paying €1.65-1.70 per liter at the pump you could be buying 500 liters @ €1.55-1.60 or 1000 liters @ €1.45-1.50. This way the government gets the money up front & a lot of businesses would avail of this for fleets etc...... The liters just come off your balance at each fill. Participating petrol stations would be happy enough too. Maybe we could have pumps or stations around the country that don't need to be manned. Automatic systems with card readers built in to the pumps. They have these in France for after hours!!!

There are so many ways we can do this but it's just one big headache for the muppets running the country as it will require them to think & eat in to their social hours & holidays. These people in government seem to prefer what's easiest for them & hardest for us.

I'm out of here next year to another struggling country but the pro's there far outweigh the cons here. I'm not happy paying for other peoples mistakes anyway :mad:

99nsr125

rodento wrote: »

Whats the government going to do to address this

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/onein10-drivers-refusing-to-pay-for-motor-tax-2667077.html

Would like to see parked cars clamped if they have motor tax over 3mths out of date or uninsured

The fact that fuel sales by volume is down is far more
informative.

This basically means cars are off the road, scrapped,
parked up because people have emigrated etc.

I seem to remember that a vehicle can be seized after 2 months
(reduced from 3) months of expiry of relevant disc, it's in the 2005/2006 RTA somewhere.

Marty McFly

rodento wrote: »

Another idea is for motor tax to send a list to the gaurds of all un taxed cars and get them to pay the owners a short visit, would be way quicker and more effective than random road checks

So you want to send the gards knocking on doors of people who have failed to pay it, Yeh lets make the gards door to door revenue collectors its not like they could be out catching drug dealers, burglars, murders etc instead making Ireland a safer place to live. Plus if they did pay home owners a visit what would be stopping me from truning around pointing at my car in the driveway and saying cars off the road its been sitting there the last month prove me wrong?

kippy wrote: »

Why pay any tax at all if thats your standpoint on it?

I frankly don't give two ****s as to why someone hasn't gotten car tax - if they can't afford it then don't have a car or get a smaller car.
I pay my taxes, never been late and it sicken me to think that people get away without paying car tax (tax in general to be honest) no matter what these taxes pay for.
If you arent happy with the tax - bring it up with your elected representative - if there are enough people not happy with the situation changes may take place but with the country in the state that it is in its unlikely any of these taxes will be dropping.

Ive no problem paying tax at all but I do mind being taxed more and more in this country on everything, so my taxes increase on my weekly wage and so does tax on everything else the goverment decide they want to tax, so basically the average working man in this country in now earning less money while also paying higher tax on everything else , all to help out the useless goverment and crooked bankers who caused this country to be in the state it is at the momment, these are the people it doenst affect the ones on huge unjustified salaries who live in a little bubble. So yes ill quite gladly save a few euros on tax every year if i can get away with it and will continue to do so. Ill never understand people who just do as there told and never question the motives of the ones making decisions.

inforfun

superfish wrote: »

motor tax is daylight robbery in this country my farther lives in england and drives a 2.0 diesel mondeo his tax for the year is 155 pounds, I drive a similar size 1.9 tdi octavia here and its 165euro for three month. its a complete joke then you have the price of diesel combined with the state of the roads eating tyres an shocks an so on

Ok, lets move a little more to the East and we ll be in Holland:

Motor tax for your Octavia (in Holland based on weight, i took 1400 kgs)= €1460,00 a year.
Diesel is €1.37 at the moment because less tax on that as on Euro95 petrol which is €1.72 (acc to this link)

Avoiding motor tax in Holland is next to impossible, as soon as you have the car in your name, the invoice will be on your door mat.

NCT is a yearly occurance, called APK. Performed by garages who have an interest of course in repaing/servicing your car. So you ll be more or less assured they will find something wrong with your car.

For that you ll end up in traffic jams every single week day if you are lucky enough. The roads might be bit nicer but what use are they if you are standing still.
Then you might think speed camera's safety cameras are an issue here. In Holland we invented those things (look up Mr. Gatsonidis (sp)) and there are more of them than trees in a forrest.

Really, it is nt so bad here for the motorist.

tipptom

inforfun wrote: »

Ok, lets move a little more to the East and we ll be in Holland:

Motor tax for your Octavia (in Holland based on weight, i took 1400 kgs)= €1460,00 a year.
Diesel is €1.37 at the moment because less tax on that as on Euro95 petrol which is €1.72 (acc to this link)

Avoiding motor tax in Holland is next to impossible, as soon as you have the car in your name, the invoice will be on your door mat.

NCT is a yearly occurance, called APK. Performed by garages who have an interest of course in repaing/servicing your car. So you ll be more or less assured they will find something wrong with your car.

For that you ll end up in traffic jams every single week day if you are lucky enough. The roads might be bit nicer but what use are they if you are standing still.
Then you might think speed camera's safety cameras are an issue here. In Holland we invented those things (look up Mr. Gatsonidis (sp)) and there are more of them than trees in a forrest.

Really, it is nt so bad here for the motorist.

yea,but just because its ****e somewhere else that does not mean we should be saying,"mustnt grumble",if something is unfair and was made even more unfair by sandal wearing conspiracy theorists(who got their reply from us complainers) during the worst financial crises to ever hit this country then we should complain and loudly.And really it is so bad here, you just have not reached that critical point that a lot of people are in at the moment

Melion

My tax is out since last July, havent hit a checkpoint yet.

denlaw

rodento wrote: »

Simple, if your car is parked on a public road you should be paying tax and it should be clamped if it isn't

Another idea is for motor tax to send a list to the gaurds of all un taxed cars and get them to pay the owners a short visit, would be way quicker and more effective than random road checks

Your right, Those guards really have little to be doing .

Patser

Patser wrote: »

There have been calls for, and this article shows why, motor tax to be scrapped and instead the tax on fuel to be increased to compensate for this. That way if you're out driving at all, then you're paying tax. If you're driving an ineffecient gas guzzler, then you'll be paying more tax than the hybrid owner - unless the Hybrid owner is doing 10,000k and you're bringing your V8 out for a 20km weekend spin - this'll be true polluter pays policy. All this frees up Garda time, gets rid of the civil servants manning the tax desks and guarantees tax income.


Instead the last bunch in Govt simply increased the duties anyway and raised motor tax, til motorists were being squeezed to the point of evasion. I pay my motor tax on my sports car and dislike the idea of others going free but it's impossible for the Guards to check and confiscate every car.

+1

benefits:

A family who are are struggling to pay the mortgage like tens of thousands are will chance leaving the tax go on the car and prioritise the mortgage.
Currently if your tight for money and you wanted to drive once a week to do shopping you must pay for the whole year - if the tax was on fuel you could just pay tax for your weekly shop

Gardai arent glorified tax collectors - wasting time getting easy summonses to increase their return of work to get promoted

kippy

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Ive no problem paying tax at all but I do mind being taxed more and more in this country on everything, so my taxes increase on my weekly wage and so does tax on everything else the goverment decide they want to tax, so basically the average working man in this country in now earning less money while also paying higher tax on everything else , all to help out the useless goverment and crooked bankers who caused this country to be in the state it is at the momment, these are the people it doenst affect the ones on huge unjustified salaries who live in a little bubble. So yes ill quite gladly save a few euros on tax every year if i can get away with it and will continue to do so. Ill never understand people who just do as there told and never question the motives of the ones making decisions.

I ain't exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of paying more taxes over the next few years either - I doubt many are but I believe in paying them.
Tax evasion however doesn't fix the problems we have in this country - if anything they make things worse. What happened if we all just decided to stop paying tax? Sure it's all going to crooked politicians and bankers....isn't it?
Again,
If you have problems with where your tax is going take it up with the relevant people. Not paying it doesn't sort anything out in the long term.
People who evade tax have the same attitude as the bankers/politicians/people living in their little bubble as far as I am concerned. They think the same laws don't apply to them and have walked over the law abiding people of this country for years - looking for loopholes in order to line their own pockets.

carm

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

benefits:

A family who are are struggling to pay the mortgage like tens of thousands are will chance leaving the tax go on the car and prioritise the mortgage.
Currently if your tight for money and you wanted to drive once a week to do shopping you must pay for the whole year - if the tax was on fuel you could just pay tax for your weekly shop

Gardai arent glorified tax collectors - wasting time getting easy summonses to increase their return of work to get promoted

+1

Totally agree with this.

pog it

kippy wrote: »

I ain't exactly jumping for joy at the prospect of paying more taxes over the next few years either - I doubt many are but I believe in paying them.
Tax evasion however doesn't fix the problems we have in this country - if anything they make things worse. What happened if we all just decided to stop paying tax? Sure it's all going to crooked politicians and bankers....isn't it?
Again,
If you have problems with where your tax is going take it up with the relevant people. Not paying it doesn't sort anything out in the long term.
People who evade tax have the same attitude as the bankers/politicians/people living in their little bubble as far as I am concerned. They think the same laws don't apply to them and have walked over the law abiding people of this country for years - looking for loopholes in order to line their own pockets.

Bull. It's the ordinary tax abiding people who have left us in this mess voting in FF, then shifting over to FG... then moaning about it and doing nothing except worry about their own lot. They are to blame for this sorry mess we are all in now. I have a job, a good life, etc. but this country is gone to s*** because of these same law abiding Irish voters. F 'em. I'm not mincing my words about them anymore. It's gone too far and I'll be damned if I pay any more than I have to to prop up the bloodsuckers this country is full of.

keithclancy

Deleted User wrote: »

+1

benefits:

A family who are are struggling to pay the mortgage like tens of thousands are will chance leaving the tax go on the car and prioritise the mortgage.
Currently if your tight for money and you wanted to drive once a week to do shopping you must pay for the whole year - if the tax was on fuel you could just pay tax for your weekly shop

Gardai arent glorified tax collectors - wasting time getting easy summonses to increase their return of work to get promoted

Then they can't afford to have a car.

If you can't afford a car then sell it and get your shopping delivered.

If you can't afford the road tax then rent a car when you need one, much cheaper.

Only 57 euros for the weekend (Fri - Sunday) for a Ford Fiesta, pays as you go with Insurance/Motor Tax included, plus no servicing costs or devaluation

the groutch

luvbulmers01 wrote: »

Why? Uninsured I thinks its disgrace should have there license taken off them, but no tax dont have a problem in the slightest, do you not think motor tax in this country is ridicilous? Add to that the high cost of petrol in this country most of which goes to the taxman, and toll bridges which the goverment gets a cut off, Irish motorists are already being fleeced enoguh by this goverment, I know I myself usually get around three to four free moths tax a year by stamping it off the road. I pay a a huge amount of taxes as it is in this country, and now there adding water and home taxes, and you complain about the irish motorist not bending over and taking it harder.

rediculous or not, it's the law, and if you don't pay you should be punished like with any other motoring offence

kippy

pog it wrote: »

Bull. It's the ordinary tax abiding people who have left us in this mess voting in FF, then shifting over to FG... then moaning about it and doing nothing except worry about their own lot. They are to blame for this sorry mess we are all in now. I have a job, a good life, etc. but this country is gone to s*** because of these same law abiding Irish voters. F 'em. I'm not mincing my words about them anymore. It's gone too far and I'll be damned if I pay any more than I have to to prop up the bloodsuckers this country is full of.

Bloodsuckers? Says himself keeping his money in his pocket while the rest of us support him.......

Look,
I have major issues with the running of this country as well - I take it up with my representatives on a weekly basis - what do you do?
Not pay car tax? Smart move.

donalg1

superfish wrote: »

motor tax is daylight robbery in this country my farther lives in england and drives a 2.0 diesel mondeo his tax for the year is 155 pounds, I drive a similar size 1.9 tdi octavia here and its 165euro for three month. its a complete joke then you have the price of diesel combined with the state of the roads eating tyres an shocks an so on

Receipts from Motor Tax are used by Local Authorities to fund road repairs, since 2008 the introduction of Carbon based emissions motor tax bands has meant there has been a significant drop in Motor Tax receipts which equals less money to repair the roads, so giving out about the state of the roads and saying your not paying your motor tax because of it means the roads will get worse. The price of Diesel and Petrol however is a complete joke, its only a matter of time until many people are priced off the road anyway

keithclancy

keithclancy wrote: »

Then they can't afford to have a car.

If you can't afford a car then sell it and get your shopping delivered.

If you can't afford the road tax then rent a car when you need one, much cheaper.

Only 57 euros for the weekend (Fri - Sunday) for a Ford Fiesta, pays as you go with Insurance/Motor Tax included, plus no servicing costs or devaluation

pay 57 euro every week to do the shoppin? Sounds like you havent a clue about the budget some people are on.

donalg1

donalg1 wrote: »

Receipts from Motor Tax are used by Local Authorities to fund road repairs, since 2008 the introduction of Carbon based emissions motor tax bands has meant there has been a significant drop in Motor Tax receipts which equals less money to repair the roads, so giving out about the state of the roads and saying your not paying your motor tax because of it means the roads will get worse. The price of Diesel and Petrol however is a complete joke, its only a matter of time until many people are priced off the road anyway

receipts from motor tax are used to fund the banks and the deficit and at the very least subsidise both.

Funding for road repairs has been slashed

inforfun

tipptom wrote: »

yea,but just because its ****e somewhere else that does not mean we should be saying,"mustnt grumble",if something is unfair and was made even more unfair by sandal wearing conspiracy theorists(who got their reply from us complainers) during the worst financial crises to ever hit this country then we should complain and loudly.And really it is so bad here, you just have not reached that critical point that a lot of people are in at the moment

My post was a reply to the "UK is heaven on earth for the motorist" (slightly exagarated) post.
Just to put things a bit in perspective.

There is a reason i am still living here and i didnt go back to Holland. And it is not because i am a masochist.

donalg1

Deleted User wrote: »

receipts from motor tax are used to fund the banks and the deficit and at the very least subsidise both.

Funding for road repairs has been slashed

True it has been slashed, but Motor Tax Receipts say taken in Waterford are centralised and returned to the Local Authorities in Waterford as part of the Local Government Fund, so Local Authorities really are given all the money collected in the form of Motor Tax (this doesnt include the drop in the government donation portion of the Local Government Fund!!!!! which probably does go towards funding the deficit) My point was if you aren't paying motor tax you cant complain about the state of the roads.

I agree with the other posters who suggest scrapping it in its current form and sticking a further tax on petrol so you are taxed for usage and the polluter pays principle is used instead

donalg1

donalg1 wrote: »

True it has been slashed, but Motor Tax Receipts say taken in Waterford are centralised and returned to the Local Authorities in Waterford as part of the Local Government Fund, so Local Authorities really are given all the money collected in the form of Motor Tax (this doesnt include the drop in the government donation portion of the Local Government Fund!!!!! which probably does go towards funding the deficit) My point was if you aren't paying motor tax you cant complain about the state of the roads.

I agree with the other posters who suggest scrapping it in its current form and sticking a further tax on petrol so you are taxed for usage and the polluter pays principle is used instead

i`ll complain about motor tax !! I always have - it should be on the fuel - it means you can pay as you drive - meaning people with tight budgets can do shopping once a week without being labelled criminals and it makes driving more affordable to casual drivers

On the fuel nobody can drive untaxed - frees up the courts and Garda resources massively. I worked in the legal system for many years and its idiocy how blocked up our district courts are with this nonsense

tipptom

inforfun wrote: »

My post was a reply to the "UK is heaven on earth for the motorist" (slightly exagarated) post.
Just to put things a bit in perspective.

There is a reason i am still living here and i didnt go back to Holland. And it is not because i am a masochist.

You on the run,gwan tell us ,i wont grass you up.

inforfun

tipptom wrote: »

You on the run,gwan tell us ,i wont grass you up.

I am on the run for the Dutch minister of finance who wanted 50/55% of my salary every month.

tipptom

inforfun wrote: »

I am on the run for the Dutch minister of finance who wanted 50/55% of my salary every month.

Hey,give Noonan a couple of months to get comfartable and after you add up your tax and all the stealth taxes together you may find that 50/55% and the lure of home inviting!.

pog it

kippy wrote: »

Bloodsuckers? Says himself keeping his money in his pocket while the rest of us support him.......

Look,
I have major issues with the running of this country as well - I take it up with my representatives on a weekly basis - what do you do?
Not pay car tax? Smart move.

I do a lot more than that and I doubt you do so on a weekly basis. I have written letters to newspapers and politicians, voted intelligently and paid all my taxes. Regards car tax, well if my car is off the road for a span of 2 months, and a guard signs the form for me, then I'm doing nothing wrong. The bloodsuckers still enjoy the tax I pay for the other 10 months.

inforfun

tipptom wrote: »

Hey,give Noonan a couple of months to get comfartable and after you add up your tax and all the stealth taxes together you may find that 50/55% and the lure of home inviting!.

Believe me, you really dont want to get into a pissing contest about tax with the Dutch.
Most (stealth) taxes you complain about were probably invented there.

kippy

pog it wrote: »

I do a lot more than that and I doubt you do so on a weekly basis. I have written letters to newspapers and politicians, voted intelligently and paid all my taxes. Regards car tax, well if my car is off the road for a span of 2 months, and a guard signs the form for me, then I'm doing nothing wrong. The bloodsuckers still enjoy the tax I pay for the other 10 months.

If you car is off the road for two months and the guard signs the form for you then you are doing nothing wrong and I have absolutely no issue with that.

keithclancy

Deleted User wrote: »

pay 57 euro every week to do the shoppin? Sounds like you havent a clue about the budget some people are on.

I'm merely pointing out that if you want the 'luxury' of a car for the weekend it will cost you as low as 57 euros.

Having a car sitting in the driveway paying tax, insurance, depreciation, maintenence would cost you allot more if your not using it frequently.

A Car is a luxury, if you cannot afford to pay something to legally to keep it on the road, you cannot afford to run the car.

Get your shopping delivered, or cycle/walk to the shop.