Israel slaughters again

minkynuts

Just seen the latest news on the shooting of unarmed protesters on the Syrian/ Israel border, and listening to the smarmy Israeli spokeswoman you can understand why the Israelis are the lepers of the civilized world

Caoimhín

These crap threads again.

Biggins

Noooooooooooooooooooo

Dangerous Man

I'm going to make some popcorn. And then I'm going to eat it. And I'm not coming back to this thread because it's only going to begin, continue and end in one way.

Laters.

Fukuyama

Israel sucks....

El Siglo

Just saw this on the telegraph website:

Warper

You gotta love the way people come out with the same "oh no, not these threads again". Reality bites people, get real, is the massacre of civilians not worthy enough of its own thread.

arybvtcw0eolkf

minkynuts wrote: »

you can understand why the Israelis are the lepers of the civilized world

Yup, I even seen one Israeli leper laugh his head off.

Another tried to drive his tank over someone, but left his foot on the brake.

Seen one Israeli chic and thought to myself, if I was an Israeli I'd throw a leg over her!.

Crann na Beatha

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ballsymchugh

waits for makikomi to come in and bitch slap this thread.

tallaghtmick

insert jewish insult here............
mel gibson rabble rabble rabble

ballsymchugh

Juliana Purring Syllabus wrote: »

Yup, I even seen one Israeli leper laugh his head off.

Another tried to drive his tank over someone, but left his foot on the brake.

Seen one Israeli chic and thought to myself, if I was an Israeli I'd throw a leg over her!.

ah ffs. could you not have waited about 10 more seconds??:mad:

FlutterinBantam

minkynuts wrote: »

Just seen the latest news on the shooting of unarmed protesters on the Syrian/ Israel border, and listening to the smarmy Israeli spokeswoman you can understand why the Israelis are the lepers of the civilized world

Second word tells me all I need to know.;)

Badgermonkey

minkynuts wrote: »

the Israelis are the lepers of the civilized world

Wish your fingers had fallen off tbh.

This again?

dlofnep

Israel kills civilians. What's new?

Israel defenders try to divert thread with red herrings. What's new?

RIP to all of those killed. This is unfortunately an all too routine occurrence. The IDF has learned many things, except to appreciate the value of life.

joshrogan

We should have an Israel superthread that is updated with all this stuff instead of a new thread every one to two weeks.

Hookah

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Second word tells me all I need to know.;)

Do you think sniping unarmed protestors before they even breach the border is acceptable?

dlofnep

Juliana Purring Syllabus wrote: »

Yup, I even seen one Israeli leper laugh his head off.

Another tried to drive his tank over someone, but left his foot on the brake.

Seen one Israeli chic and thought to myself, if I was an Israeli I'd throw a leg over her!.

Red Herring #1.

dlofnep

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Second word tells me all I need to know.;)

Red Herring #2.

Mahatma coat

the Israelis need a propper Bitchslappin, or at the very least Sanctions need to be imposed on them.

wes

Killing of unarmed protesters, is rightly almost universally condemned when the likes of Assad are responsible, but the moment Israel does the same damn thing, its vigorously defended for some bizarre reason.

The protests against Israel, are very much the same as those in Syria, Bahrain and Libya etc, but the reaction couldn't be anymore different

Its terrible that these protesters were murdered, and its rather sad there are those who will defend such this kind of thing.

My name is URL

Badgermonkey wrote: »

This again?

Is there another thread about it? I remember one from a few weeks ago when the IDF murdered a load of people, but don't think I've seen one about the IDF murdering a load of people today.

Maybe they should just cut down on the old murdering of civilians and then perhaps the threads will die off.

Einhard

minkynuts wrote: »

Just seen the latest news on the shooting of unarmed protesters on the Syrian/ Israel border, and listening to the smarmy Israeli spokeswoman you can understand why the Israelis are the lepers of the civilized world

I think I'm pretty moderate when it comes to the Israel/Palestinian question, and believe Israel certainly has a lot to answer for, and that Netanyahu is a major obstacle to peace, but these weren't just ordinary protestors making a point, but rather people trying to force their way across an international border into a neighbouring state. I'm pretty certain that, were something similar to happen along the US/Mexican, or Russian/Chinese borders, or practically any other international boundary, the eventual reaction would be the same. Obviously, there's context to the whole thing, but could the peoplecondemning Israel for this incident, please explain how they should have reacted? How would those who condemn this action by israel have protected the integrity of the border in such a scenario?

LondonIrish90

I wonder what those Syrians who crossed the border into Israeli territory in an aggressive manner thought might await them?

Especially when you remember the very reason the Golan Heights are occupied by Israel to this day, it wasn't a very wise move.

UDAWINNER

Sanctions, never happen. They can get away with blue murder, literally.

arybvtcw0eolkf

dlofnep wrote: »

Red Herring #1.

Hey give it over, attack the post and not the poster.

I'm sick of being slagged off over my red hair.

Ginger & proud.

wes

Einhard wrote: »

but these weren't just ordinary protestors making a point, but rather people trying to force their way across an international border into a neighbouring state.

They did no such thing, no International border was crossed, the Golan Heights is occupied territory, and the people crossing are refugee's who are stateless due to Israel's actions.

Also, they were unarmed, and as such shooting them, makes Israel no better than the likes of Assad etc, and they should be treated exactly the same imho.

UglyBolloxFace

El Siglo wrote: »

Just saw this on the telegraph website:

I'm no fan of Israel, and never once in my life have I defended or actually found reason to defend them and their sickening regime, but that video clearly shows the protesters breaching the border and entering Israeli soil. What do you expect the Israelis to do?

Badgermonkey

My name is URL wrote: »

Maybe they should just cut down on the old murdering of civilians and then perhaps the threads will die off.

Yep, less threads would be the principal benefit of a more benign policy all right.

brimal

wes, dlofnep, et all. - may I ask what is your obsession with the ME conflict?

I don't ever see you comment on other world conflicts or use as much passion, etc. put into your posts unless it's involving the ME conflict.

I agree with alot of what you say and of course things need to change there, i'm just curious at to why do you guys always concentrate your efforts on this conflict alone when there is many more atrocities being committed across the world every day?

Thanks

FlutterinBantam

My name is URL wrote: »

Is there another thread about it? I remember one from a few weeks ago when the IDF murdered a load of people, but don't think I've seen one about the IDF murdering a load of people today.

Maybe they should just cut down on the old murdering of civilians and then perhaps the threads will die off.

Maybe you should cut down on the generalities and take a good quaff of reality.

Maybe you should kind of understand what is happening out there before you put your big foot in the thread eh?


Would you not expect your defense forces to defend your country, or maybe you would want them to hand out spliffs and have a smoke together?

get real man.

Hookah

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

...but that video clearly shows the protesters breaching the border and entering Israeli soil. What do you expect the Israelis to do?

Arrest them?

Einhard

wes wrote: »

The protests against Israel, are very much the same as those in Syria, Bahrain and Libya etc, but the reaction couldn't be anymore different

I'm sorry, but that just is not true. The people attempting to cross the border are not the same as those protesting in Syria and Libya. The actions are entirely different. There was quite a large protest this week in jerusalem against Netanyahu's Palestinian policies, and there was no attempt to suppress it. That was akin to what's happening in other ME countries, ie people expressing their opinions on the streets. Attempting to breach a border isn't the same at all.

dlofnep

brimal wrote: »

wes, dlofnep, et all. - may I ask what is your obsession with the ME conflict?

A desire to see an end to injustice. Why I have particular interest in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is probably because of lack of accountability, which is always key to drive on international solidarity with the oppressed.

I think you'll find that on a global scale - there is great interest in the conflict. It's not unique to a few posters on boards.ie

UglyBolloxFace

Hookah wrote: »

Arrest them?

You're not considering the context. Israelis, Palestinians, and their bordering neighbours have to put up suicide bombings on quite a regular basis. How were these soldiers to know if these protesters were unarmed or strapped with explosives under their clothes? They simply cannot take that chance.

Hookah

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

You're not considering the context. Israelis, Palestinians, and their bordering neighbours have to put up suicide bombings on quite a regular basis. How were these soldiers to know if these protesters were unarmed or strapped with explosives under their clothes? They simply cannot take that chance.

They shot them before they even breached the first of 2 barbed wire fences.

That's acceptable in your view?

wes

brimal wrote: »

wes, dlofnep, et all. - may I ask what is your obsession with the ME conflict?

I don't ever see you comment on other world conflicts or use as much passion, etc. put into your posts unless it's involving the ME conflict.

I am rarely personally attacked in regards to my views on any other topic. You speak against Israel in anyway, and people will call you every name under the sun, and as such I will reply to those attacking me personally in kind.

brimal wrote: »

I agree with alot of what you say and of course things need to change there, i'm just curious at to why do you guys always concentrate your efforts on this conflict alone when there is many more atrocities being committed across the world every day?

I have commented on plenty of topics, and on this topic any view against Israels actions, will result in personal attacks, and there will be another side who will disagree, and as such result in far more commentary, as opposed to say Assad's forces in Syria murdering protesters in the same manner, where almost no one will disagree, and where as on this topic, excuses are already being made.

brimal

dlofnep wrote: »

A desire to see an end to injustice. Why I have particular interest in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is probably because of lack of accountability, which is always key to drive on international solidarity with the oppressed.

I think you'll find that on a global scale - there is great interest in the conflict. It's not unique to a few posters on boards.ie

Which leads to my next question - why do you guys have so much negativity and smartarsery in your posts? I asked nicely.

You still haven't addressed the other part of my post that you left out in the quote - there is lots of injustice all over the world. Why concentrate solely on the ME conflict?

FlutterinBantam

dlofnep wrote: »

A desire to see an end to injustice. Why I have particular interest in the Palestinian/Israeli conflict is probably because of lack of accountability, which is always key to drive on international solidarity with the oppressed.

I think you'll find that on a global scale - there is great interest in the conflict. It's not unique to a few posters on boards.ie

Yeah, it's a topic of conversation in every pub at night.

That's what I find anyway.:rolleyes:

UglyBolloxFace

Hookah wrote: »

They shot them before they even breached the first of 2 barbed wire fences.

That's acceptable in your view?

Maybe I'm going blind or you have magical superpowers that allows you to see stuff which I can't? Because in that video I can clearly see the protesters breach the border and then, and only then, do the soldiers open fire.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (as it's quite possible I could be).

My name is URL

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Maybe you should cut down on the generalities and take a good quaff of reality.

Maybe you should kind of understand what is happening out there before you put your big foot in the thread eh?


Would you not expect your defense forces to defend your country, or maybe you would want them to hand out spliffs and have a smoke together?

get real man.

The land doesn't legally belong to Israel. By the reasoning above, I presume you'd have no problem if the Syrians/Palestinians used force to reclaim the land which is rightfully theirs?

Of course not.. those people would be terrorists, right?

Hookah

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Maybe I'm going blind or you have magical superpowers that allows you to see stuff which I can't? Because in that video I can clearly see the protesters breach the border and then, and only then, do the soldiers open fire.

Please correct me if I'm wrong (as it's quite possible I could be).

I see soldiers aiming at the protestors, I hear shots, and then see the protestors carrying bodies away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEwxlE4N9Q0

dlofnep

brimal wrote: »

Which leads to my next question - why do you guys have so much negativity and smartarsery in your posts? I asked nicely.

I replied nicely.

brimal wrote: »

You still haven't addressed the other part of my post that you left out in the quote - there is lots of injustice all over the world. Why concentrate solely on the ME conflict?

I don't concentrate solely on the Middle-East conflict. It just so happens to be one that I have a strong interest in, and is one that is key to global peace. It's irrelevant in the broad scheme of things - because the conflict is one that generates valid interest across the globe.

Your ruse is subtle, but I spot it nonetheless. So there is now an onus on you to explain why someone cannot have a valid interest in the conflict between Israel and Palestine. Basically, get to the point.

UglyBolloxFace

Hookah wrote: »

I see soldiers aiming at the protestors, I hear shots, and then see the protestors carrying bodies away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEwxlE4N9Q0

Ah, now you see here is were you are changing details to suit your agenda. That video above is not the initial video of which you and I are speaking. Why change it? To suit your agenda, that's why.

This is the video we are talking about:

arybvtcw0eolkf

brimal wrote: »

wes, dlofnep, et all. - may I ask what is your obsession with the ME conflict?

I don't ever see you comment on other world conflicts or use as much passion, etc. put into your posts unless it's involving the ME conflict.

In fairness they do comment on other conflicts, however it beats me that one regular poster in AH is banned from discussing politics in AH but Wes solely concentrates his efforts on Israel when he bother's to grace AH with his presence and is allowed get away with that.

As regards Israeli threads, most of us are sick to our hind teeth of them.

I mentioned it in the feedback thread - they're a political hot potato and really do belong in the political forum where there isn't so much tolerance to the knee jerk reactionists with the same discussions attract here in AH.

wes

Einhard wrote: »

I'm sorry, but that just is not true. The people attempting to cross the border are not the same as those protesting in Syria and Libya. The actions are entirely different.

Thee actions are the same, they want freedom as well. They are refugees who are stateless due to Israels actions, and without a state, they have no freedom and no rights. There fighting for the exact same thing.

Einhard wrote: »

There was quite a large protest this week in jerusalem against Netanyahu's Palestinian policies, and there was no attempt to suppress it. That was akin to what's happening in other ME countries, ie people expressing their opinions on the streets. Attempting to breach a border isn't the same at all.

No border was breached, they went into occupied Syrian territory, and I see no excuse for shooting unarmed protesters either way.

Einhard

My name is URL wrote: »

The land doesn't legally belong to Israel. By the reasoning above, I presume you'd have no problem if the Syrians/Palestinians used force to reclaim the land which is rightfully theirs? Or is that only justifiable when it's Israel dishing it out?

Of course not.. those people would be terrorists, right?

Well, you see, there's the nub of the whole issue. You believe that the land isn't Israel's, and therefore any action they take on that land is illegitimate. There's nothing wrong in that opinion per se, but it does mean that you're not so much against Israel using force to protect that border, but against the very notion of Israel protecting it at all. In response to my question of how you would have Israel react, you'd have them do nothing and watch as the border was breached. Again, quite a legitimate view, but it does mean that Israel will always be in the wrong in these issues, no matter how justified their actual actions, in a particular instance might appear, or indeed, actually be.

dlofnep

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yeah, it's a topic of conversation in every pub at night.

That's what I find anyway.:rolleyes:

You're still deflecting. Just so you're aware.

Eric Cartman

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the only solution to those isreali scumbags

Einhard

wes wrote: »

Thee actions are the same, they want freedom as well. They are refugees who are stateless due to Israels actions, and without a state, they have no freedom and no rights. There fighting for the exact same thing.

No, they are not the same. You claim that israel shoots unarmed protestors. Yet why did it not respond to those protesting this week in the centre of Jerusalem? The reason is, that those protestors weren't attemtping to cross what Israel perceives as a national boundary. You can claim that the actions were wrong, and condemn them, but you cannot claim that the actions of those attemtping to breach that border are the same as those in Cairo or Hama. If they are, then they are the same as those in Jerusalem, and yet the reaction to each "march" was entirely different.

dlofnep

Einhard wrote: »

In response to my question of how you would have Israel react, you'd have them do nothing and watch as the border was breached.

Even if it were to be true that Israel had a legitimate claim to the territory (which it does not), but suppose it were to be true - it still would not give merit to shooting and killing 4 civilians. There are alternative ways for crowd control - but it's all too of an occurrence for the IDF to go above and beyond what's necessary. This is one of those cases.