What is everyones problem with "Glee"?

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 09:41PM #1

I have decided not to post this in the Glee Forum as there obviously will be biased opinion. I just wanted to know what everyones problem with the US tv show "Glee" is? I understand why people dislike the show- but hate it? I agree that the writing was a bit sloppy in the 2nd season, and sometimes the music is a bit overtly auto-tuned but I hate the way people just despise this show for no particular reason. It generally has great storylines, great performances and I know that the cast don't need auto-tune at all. It's a shame that they use it but.... So anyway why do so many people hate it? To be honest with you I hear much worse things about "Glee"- I hardly hear anything positive about it! My opinion is that when something becomes extremely popular people automatically hate it. Also, don't get me wrong- I'm not saying you should love this show, I jsut think people should give it more of a chance.

liah · 04-06-2011 09:44PM

People just like to hate popular things because it makes them feel like they're better/smarter than the people who enjoy them.

I haven't watched the show, myself. Just sick of listening to the whinging. If you don't like it, turn it off. Why let it develop into hate unless you just enjoy the act of moaning?

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 09:45PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

I hate the way people just despise this show for no particular reason

Not everyone is into singing and dancing. Deal with it.

liah · 04-06-2011 09:46PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Not everyone is into singing and dancing. Deal with it.

Yeah, everyone understands dislike, that isn't the topic though - why go to the effort of actually despising something you don't actually have to have any exposure to?

Basq · 04-06-2011 09:48PM

I watched the whole first year and the start of the second.. I actually really enjoyed it at the start but something happened mid-way through the first year, the show started off as a biting satire against the television high school genre but characters soon became the exact clichéd persona that the show was jabbing originally.

Jane Lynch who started off hilarious appeared less and less, and her humour and comments became very watered down.

Lots of characters then became hugely dislikable - Rachel first and foremost getting the brunt of it (be it via the Internet mostly) but also Kurt's actions / decisions grew increasingly erratic and didn't make sense.

My girlfriend still watches it and it growing increasingly tired of it.. she tells me it's just not as entertaining and solid writing isn't there anymore.

I now highly dislike the show merely for not sticking to it's morals and obviously Ryan Murphy (and others) caved to network pressure.

I don't HATE the show, but I don't respect it or rate it in the slightest anymore.

amacachi · 04-06-2011 09:49PM

liah wrote: »

People just like to hate popular things because it makes them feel like they're better/smarter than the people who enjoy them.

I haven't watched the show, myself. Just sick of listening to the whinging. If you don't like it, turn it off. Why let it develop into hate unless you just enjoy the act of moaning?

Good to see you've found a way to feel superior to one of the groups at least.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 09:50PM

liah wrote: »

People just like to hate popular things because it makes them feel like they're better/smarter than the people who enjoy them.

I haven't watched the show, myself. Just sick of listening to the whinging. If you don't like it, turn it off. Why let it develop into hate unless you just enjoy the act of moaning?

I completley agree with you. From a critical point of view, it's not the best show in the world but what makes people think that "South Park" and "Battlestar Gallactica" are? I'm just making the point that there a lot worse shows out there than Glee, yet Glee seems to get more stick than any other TV show out there!

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 09:54PM

Basq wrote: »

I watched the whole first year and the start of the second.. I actually really enjoyed it at the start but something happened mid-way through the first year, the show started off as a biting satire against the television high school genre but characters soon became the exact clichéd persona that the show was jabbing originally.

Jane Lynch who started off hilarious appeared less and less, and her humour and comments became very watered down.

Lots of characters then became hugely dislikable - Rachel first and foremost getting the brunt of it (be it via the Internet mostly) but also Kurt's actions / decisions grew increasingly erratic and didn't make sense.

My girlfriend still watches it and it growing increasingly tired of it.. she tells me it's just not as entertaining and solid writing isn't there anymore.

I now highly dislike the show merely for not sticking to it's morals and obviously Ryan Murphy (and others) caved to network pressure.

I don't HATE the show, but I don't respect it or rate it in the slightest anymore.

I agree with you on a number of points, but do you not feel that the show is suffering from the "2nd season slump?". I'm sure you've heard of tv shows that lose their quality in the 2nd season? It happens on the majority of tv shows and for some reason "Glee" is the only tv show out there that gets highly criticised for it.

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 09:57PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

From a critical point of view, it's not the best show in the world but what makes people think that "South Park" and "Battlestar Gallactica" are?

South Park is receiving criticism. It has been absolute muck compared to earlier seasons.

frag420 · 04-06-2011 10:01PM

I hate it because I apparently look like a character call Glen in the show and get told this most weekends I am out.

And I'm more of a sex drugs and rock n roll type!!

Basq · 04-06-2011 10:01PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

I agree with you on a number of points, but do you not feel that the show is suffering from the "2nd season slump?". I'm sure you've heard of tv shows that lose their quality in the 2nd season? It happens on the majority of tv shows and for some reason "Glee" is the only tv show out there that gets highly criticised for it.

No, it wasn't a second season slump. Read my post again..

Something happened the show mid-season in it's first season.. the creators obviously caved to network pressure and toned down the show. And due to this - it's writing, characters and general quality took a sharp nosedive.

Many shows lose quality in it's second season but this show didn't just suffer from "2nd season jitters" (which usually occurs with a lack of direction for a storyline or just inability to recreate the sharpless of went before it).. this show suffers from drastic network changes which made it lose all credibility and it suffered HUGELY because of it.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:03PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Not everyone is into singing and dancing. Deal with it.

You dont necessarily have to enjoy singing and dancing to enjoy it....?

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:08PM

Basq wrote: »

No, it wasn't a second season slump. Read my post again..

Something happened the show mid-season in it's first season.. the creators obviously caved to network pressure and toned down the show. And due to this - it's writing, characters and general quality took a sharp nosedive.

Many shows lose quality in it's second season but this show didn't just suffer from "2nd season jitters" (which usually occurs with a lack of direction for a storyline or just inability to recreate the sharpless of went before it).. this show suffers from drastic network changes which made it lose all credibility and it suffered HUGELY because of it.

Okay, wait a second- why would the network (Fox) want to pressure Ryan Murphy and the writers to "tone it down"? In it's 2nd season, the show has been more controversial than the 1st, without a doubt.

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 10:08PM

Oh really? What happens when they start singing and dancing? Do I ignore it? I have seen two episodes of Glee and I despised it both times. It is the type of programme I will never like. That's not going to change.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:15PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Oh really? What happens when they start singing and dancing? Do I ignore it? I have seen two episodes of Glee and I despised it both times. It is the type of programme I will never like. That's not going to change.

OK -thats fine- completley understandable- but at the end of the day this show gets way to much negative attention- and you cant really argue with me based on the fact that youve only seen two episodes!:P

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:17PM

frag420 wrote: »

I hate it because I apparently look like a character call Glen in the show and get told this most weekends I am out.

And I'm more of a sex drugs and rock n roll type!!

Hahahaha! Um.... there's no one on the show called Glen,hahaha!

Basq · 04-06-2011 10:17PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

Okay, wait a second- why would the network (Fox) want to pressure Ryan Murphy and the writers to "tone it down"?

Because Ryan Murphy clearly never envisioned Glee as a family show persé.. he envisioned it more of a "Popular 2.0" (although Popular's writing was MUCH stronger).

Then it became HUGELY successful and Fox obviously saw the need to draw in the youngsters further by pandering to them by making the humour / jokes as obvious as a punch to the head, songs became even cheesier (if that was possibly), characters became irritational
and the drama became soapy and unconvincing.

Let's face it.. the show's core audience is teenagers / tweenies.

conorburke2011 wrote: »

In it's 2nd season, the show has been more controversial than the 1st, without a doubt.

Some of the storylines may have been controversial.. but I gave up on the show after that religious episode (Grilled Cheesus) which was just insulting and horrible.

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 10:17PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

OK -thats fine- completley understandable- but at the end of the day this show gets way to much negative attention- and you cant really argue with me based on the fact that youve only seen two episodes!:P

I am not trying to argue with you about anything. I merely stated my opinion on what I believe to be a god awful television show.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:20PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

I am not trying to argue with you about anything. I merely stated my opinion on what I believe to be a god awful television show.

Fair enough! I know people who feel exactly the same! But you can't say it's "a god awful tv show" if you've only seen 2 episodes! And you can't say it's terrible just because they sing and dance!

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 10:25PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

Fair enough! I know people who feel exactly the same! But you can't say it's "a god awful tv show" if you've only seen 2 episodes! And you can't say it's terrible just because they sing and dance!

Why can't I? It is my personal preference and I strongly dislike musical tv shows.

I believe the problem here is you. You cannot seem to accept that other people might hate something you like.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:25PM

Basq wrote: »

Because Ryan Murphy clearly never envisioned Glee as a family show persé.. he envisioned it more of a "Popular 2.0" (although Popular's writing was MUCH stronger).

Then it became HUGELY successful and Fox obviously saw the need to draw in the youngsters further by pandering to them by making the humour / jokes as obvious as a punch to the head, songs became even cheesier (if that was possibly), characters became irritational
and the drama became soapy and unconvincing.

Let's face it.. the show's core audience is teenagers / tweenies.

Some of the storylines may have been controversial.. but I gave up on the show after that religious episode (Grilled Cheesus) which was just insulting and horrible.

Yea, now that you say it I agree with you on a number of points- I just don't understand the "toning it down" aspect for kids because the show is constantly filled with sexual innuendos and storylines about homophobic bullying. As odd as this sounds, a lot of parents don't want their children exposed to this liberal view (unfortunately) so I think that by "toning the show down" Fox has actually lost a lot of viewers.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:28PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Why can't I? It is my personal preference and I strongly dislike musical tv shows.

I believe the problem here is you. You cannot seem to accept that other people might hate something you like.

I can- you just can't judge something that quick! Fyi, I find the show OK. I'm not a "gleek"- I just hold the view that some people are completley ignorant to the fact that just because it involves singing and dancing, it is AWFUL. Come on, get real like!

sonic85 · 04-06-2011 10:29PM

have nothing against the show or the people that watch it but its rubbish. high school musical for a slightly older crowd i think and the whole thing is just a bit too camp

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 10:30PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

I just hold the view that some people are completley ignorant to the fact that just because it involves singing and dancing, it is AWFUL. Come on, get real like!

How are you failing to grasp that some people do not like shows heavily influenced by singing and dancing? Glee features a lot of this. The only one that needs to get real is you.

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:33PM

sonic85 wrote: »

have nothing against the show or the people that watch it but its rubbish. high school musical for a slightly older crowd i think and the whole thing is just a bit too camp

Yea, its the perfect thing for some people and others just hate it! What's you opinion though- do you think it gets too heavily criticised?:)

conorburke2011 · 04-06-2011 10:36PM

Minstrel27 wrote: »

How are you failing to grasp that some people do not like shows heavily influenced by singing and dancing? Glee features a lot of this. The only one that needs to get real is you.

Ive got a friend who is a "gleek" and he's the type of person who has nothing but Glee and..... heavy metal on his ipod. Seriously, I dont care if someone doesnt like it Im just making the point that its extremely criticised ALL the time and other shows ( which do be worse) dont.

Minstrel27 · 04-06-2011 10:39PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

Ive got a friend who is a "gleek" and he's the type of person who has nothing but Glee and..... heavy metal on his ipod.

That's the wonders of personal opinion and choice. I have a wide variety of music on my ipod too.

sonic85 · 04-06-2011 10:43PM

conorburke2011 wrote: »

Yea, its the perfect thing for some people and others just hate it! What's you opinion though- do you think it gets too heavily criticised?:)

i dont think its overly criticised. no more than any other show. some people love it some people hate it - just personal preference

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 04-06-2011 10:50PM

The first 13 episodes of the first season were fantastic TV. They were made in a bubble, all wrapped up before the pilot even aired on TV. Then the back nine episodes of season 1 were a mess. They were influenced by the success of the first 13 episodes and they story lines and plots went out the window in favour of "themed episodes" and silly guest star appearances.

The second season continued in much the same way with the added bonus of pretty much everything that happened in season 1 being forgotten about, and the majority of characters became one dimensional characatuers of themselves. The concept of continuity seems to be a foreign one to the writers, and the fact that there's only three writers on the show it shouldn't be that hard to keep things on track. Also there's the painfully manipulative "emotional episodes" which are so forced and random that it almost makes me angry when it happens. Not to mention the bloody ham fisted attempts at sending a "positive message to the kids" about being an individual and unique and all that. The only message the show sends is that the popular kids aren't allowed be mean to the "freaks" but if you're a freak you can bully whoever you like. Lauren is one of the worst examples of this, she's nothing but a bully but because she's not a size zero airhead it's OK for her to be a bully.

Anyway, point being that those are the reasons I hate the show. If they'd continued on like it started out then it could've been amazing and I'd still love it, but as it is I can't stand it. I think it probably gets criticised more than other shows is because it did start out so well, but then took a massive dip in quality, so comparing recent episodes to older ones is obviously going to draw a lot of criticism.
The fact that FOX picked it up for 2 seasons after season 1 seems to have given Ryan Murphy the idea that he can just write whatever crap he wants because it's not going to be canceled anyway. Plus, the fact that FOX makes a boat load of cash of those kids is kind of disgusting, but that's more of an issue with the network than with the show itself.

However, I think it's quite likely that a lot of people "hate" the show because it is so popular and it's not cool to like the same things as everyone else.

sonic85 · 04-06-2011 11:03PM

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

However, I think it's quite likely that a lot of people "hate" the show because it is so popular and it's not cool to like the same things as everyone else.

if thats the case thats a bit sad to be honest. everybody should have their own mind and not just be working on the basis of whats cool and whats not. i watched an episode and didnt like it - not because i thought it wasnt cool but because i hated the singing and dancing and because its just not funny.

ixoy · 04-06-2011 11:19PM

It's alright but it could be so much more. There's too much forced happy message and, at times, it's not far off the old sermons He-Man used to give to the audience after he saved Eternia from Skeletor.

As others pointed out, it fell victim to its own success. In earlier episodes for example, I recall when Will violently shoved his then wife up against the wall. You'd never see that edgier material later on.

Anyone who has seen "Popular" knows that Ryan Murphy can produce much sharper work with more biting satire. "Popular"'s first season finale is a glorious tribute to insanity, sending up the entire high school genre. If only "Glee" could match that.

What is everyones problem with "Glee"?

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