Lads, we're destroying the city...

One_Time

Someone's got a big problem with Dublin cyclists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeos7H8xLdQ

Captain Havoc

and will that fat **** complain about the extra traffic and HSE budget if we don't cycle?

Stark

Don't know what the concern for the taxpayer is about. He can't have a job if he has time to make that crap.

Lusk Doyle

He must be a painter looking for work!

tomasrojo

Saw that on bikesnobnyc yesterday; it was his wrong-answer clip for the weekly quiz. I managed about forty seconds before I had to stop.

kippy

The solution to this problem is surely more "actual" locking points for bikes around the city?
There are defo more people cycling but I dont think there has been a major increase in bike stands......

Bluefoam

Bikes are a historic, relevant ecological, current, practical, form of transport that frees up the city and saves individuals and the council money.

Lock your bike, wherever is practical & forget knobs who have nothing better in life than to moan at the small things.

DaveyDave

Wow, I don't know where to start. I have never had a problem with bikes being locked everywhere and the chipped paint on the bollards, they're not there to look pretty they're there to do the job...allowing us to lock our bikes :pac: I went to school near town for 6 years and frequent going after college so I should see them a lot, but to be honest I don't because I'm not a saddo looking for crap to bitch about like the creator of that video. I'm too busy actually doing stuff to care about chipped paint on a bollard.

All this is just trying to find a fault in just about everything. How much of this is actually a problem in real life? Not much. What about cars? They're always causing problems from parking illegally in bike lanes, swerving, passing instead of overtaking and even hitting us. How many of those are problems? Not many, we just have to deal with it.

Civilian_Target

Its true that bikes parked everywhere is obnoxious, and bikes going everywhere are a pain in the ass for motorists.

However, it's nothing compared to the visual blight of on-street car parking, meters, signage, and the smoke, noise and signage required to direct a few people in cars around the city.

As for endangering pedestrians....

I still believe that the best improvement that could be made to Dublin city centre would be removing private motorists. You could turn 2 lanes of College Green and Dame Street into pavement, instantly making it a pleasure rather than a misery to walk on. Same for Nassau Street, Anne Street, Dawson Street, Kildare Street and O'Connell Bridge.
Replacing the noise of traffic with space for a few buskers would improve the experience of 90% of visitors to the city centre.


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kippy

Bluefoam wrote: »

Bikes are a historic, relevant ecological, current, practical, form of transport that frees up the city and saves individuals and the council money.

Lock your bike, wherever is practical & forget knobs who have nothing better in life than to moan at the small things.

I think its probably better to get to the root of the problem ( there arent actually enough secure bike parking areas (I am sure cyclists would be happier if there were more areas that were specificilly designed for parking bikes , perhaps with CCTV and the like) than to continue using articles that werent designed in areas that werent meant for bike locking.

While there are lots of people who like to moan about small things, it's much better to find a solution that will improve things for cyclists as well as keeping those people quiet (ie get them working for you)

Captain Havoc

He's on about the paint, in Kilkenny most of these posts are covered in plastic.

Bluefoam

kippy wrote: »

I think its probably better to get to the root of the problem ( there arent actually enough secure bike parking areas (I am sure cyclists would be happier if there were more areas that were specificilly designed for parking bikes , perhaps with CCTV and the like) than to continue using articles that werent designed in areas that werent meant for bike locking.

While there are lots of people who like to moan about small things, it's much better to find a solution that will improve things for cyclists as well as keeping those people quiet (ie get them working for you)

cycling is about convenience, it becomes less practical and less popular if you make people adhere to restrictive rules. Who wants to park their bike and then have to walk to their destination? I can't understand the negativity to bicycles...

Inquitus

It's Ireland, It's 2011 and the biggest gripe in this dude's life is bikes scratching the paint on lampposts and impeding street sweepers. :rolleyes:

Bluefoam

I wonder if there would be a similar reaction if the cyclist had been killed after being hit by the door?

I'm not trying to justify the use of violence...

kippy

Bluefoam wrote: »

cycling is about convenience, it becomes less practical and less popular if you make people adhere to restrictive rules. Who wants to park their bike and then have to walk to their destination? I can't understand the negativity to bicycles...

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

Bluefoam

kippy wrote: »

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

I wasn't aware of a law prohibiting the locking of bicycles to objects not specifically designated as bicycle parking. Nor have I ever noticed a public bike rack that was specifically designated or signposted as officially designated bike parking.

kippy

Bluefoam wrote: »

I wasn't aware of a law prohibiting the locking of bicycles to objects not specifically designated as bicycle parking. Nor have I ever noticed a public bike rack that was specifically designated or signposted as officially designated bike parking.

I am sure, that there is a law or an existing law could be used to prohibit the locking of bicycles to lampposts etc....... especially where that bicycle is causing an obstruction to people using the footpath.

Yep I havent noticed many of those bike racks either, and thats the problem surely.......

Bluefoam

kippy wrote: »

but what about the other footpath users??

What about other footpath users. I am a cyclist, a pedestrian a motorist and a motorcyclist. I am very aware of how people use their space, but I've rarely been negativity effected by general and appropriate bike parking.

Marguerite Tonery

I can't believe the guy took the time to produce that clip. This is Dublin as it is. This is real! This has historic value. Anyway if there were some descent places to lock your bike, people would avail of them.

Dowee

That's the best laugh I've had for a while!

Tremendous stuff.

Yi Harr

It's truly the stuff of whitewhine dreams.

Tonyandthewhale

kippy wrote: »

especially where that bicycle is causing an obstruction to people using the footpath.

Apart from the streetsweepers the bikes aren't in anyone's way. When's the last time you were unable to walk down the street because there were bikes parked on it?
As for inconvieniancing streetsweepers, it doesn't make much sense to legislate bikes off the streets just to keep them clean.

Stark

kippy wrote: »

I never said it wasn't.

Rules and our adherence to them are about all that differentiates us from other animals. Do you treat all rules in the same manner? Red lights, etc.
Its okay to lock your bike against a lamp post because it's convenient to you -
but what about the other footpath users??
It's not about "negativity" to cyclists - but if cyclists want to take it that way......

They've been putting hoops on lamp posts recently to make it easier to lock your bike. Obviously the powers that be think it's okay, it's only a handful of cranks that think otherwise

tomasrojo

http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/blog/index.php/2010/09/bicycle-parking-trial-in-city-centre/

I think Dublin City Council said that it was going to have trouble getting more Sheffield stands into Dublin city centre, so cyclehoops were going to be used to meet some of the demand. So they are tacitly acknowledging that locking to poles is a valid parking strategy, I suppose.

EDIT: more here:

http://www.dublincycling.com/node/682

A survey carried out in 2007 revealed there are approximately 1,000 cycle stands within the city centre area.

"There is already evidence of a shortage of cycle parking facilities in the city centre.

"If the Department of Transport target is to be met it will be necessary to provide approximately 10,000 cycle parking spaces in the city," the council said.

The majority of the spaces will be provided within offices as a condition of planning permissions.

However, an additional 3,000 to 4,000 cycle stands will be required.

The council pointed out the provision of so-called Sheffield bicycle stands at all locations is "not possible".

"Dublin City Council is now in the process of developing a parking programme that comprises conventional Sheffield stands augmented by Cyclehoops," it said.

kippy

tomasrojo wrote: »

http://www.dublincitycycling.ie/blog/index.php/2010/09/bicycle-parking-trial-in-city-centre/

I think Dublin City Council said that it was going to have trouble getting more Sheffield stands into Dublin city centre, so cyclehoops were going to be used to meet some of the demand. So they are tacitly acknowledging that locking to poles is a valid parking strategy, I suppose.

I dont get this.
Some people here advise that because the council are modifying poles to make them better for cyclists to use them means that all poles are suitable for locking to.
Surely the fact that poles are being modified shows that standard non modified poles are not suitable for locking bikes too........

Is there a bit of a persecution complex among certain people who cycle?
I mean, its obvious that the current situation cannot go on for numerous reasons - if the council "convert" more poles, isnt that surely a good thing?
And if "proper" bike racks pop up with some better security levels associated with them, isnt that a good thing for cyclists too?
Do you really enjoy locking your bikes to random poles?

tomasrojo

kippy wrote: »

Some people here advise that because the council are modifying poles to make them better for cyclists to use them means that all poles are suitable for locking to.
Surely the fact that poles are being modified shows that standard non modified poles are not suitable for locking bikes too........

Well, what I was getting at was that Dublin City Council appeared to be tacitly acknowledging that cyclists were going to have to continue to lock to poles, because there weren't enough Sheffield stands, and there will not be enough in the future either.

kippy wrote: »

Do you really enjoy locking your bikes to random poles?

If I'm going into a shop and there is no stand outside or nearby, I will lock my bike to a pole, usually not for very long. I lock it in such a way that it can't fall over and it isn't in anyone's way. A standard pole is fine for locking to, if you know how to lock your bike properly. The cyclehoop is good in that it allows you more options for locking, but it isn't necessary.

BostonB

I expect people lock them to poles, because either theres nothing better around, or they don't the problems with poles, or indeed how to lock a bike properly. So theres scope for some education about it.

Icyseanfitz

some people will just find anything to moan about seriously :rolleyes: bikes rubbing paint off street pole.......ffs these people wouldnt know a real problem if it bit them in the arse

petethedrummer

kippy wrote: »

Do you really enjoy locking your bikes to random poles?

I've had some good times locking my bike to random poles. Real good times.

oflahero

I got locked with random Poles. That's even better.

Cape Clear

oflahero wrote: »

I got locked with random Poles. That's even better.

Surely the above is a contender for quote of the year1 GOOD WORK

Ricky91t

This person has also spent nearly 3 hours standing at bridges taking photos of cyclists, cycling across them and counting them. They've really got an issue with bikes.

Hail 2 Da Thief

For the love of God won't somebody think of the children lamposts! Some people really have nothing better to do with their time!

The video froze on me half way through but I'd seen enough. My mind wandered & I found this happy dancers vid which was far more interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QocxF421TIM

Icyseanfitz

what a legend haha

Wackawacka

One_Time wrote: »

Someone's got a big problem with Dublin cyclists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aeos7H8xLdQ

He's an idiot. It's like complaining about the existence of pedestrians where and when city planners fail to make adequate sidewalk space for pedestrians.

Let's be honest here: bicycles are locked to street signs because there isn't anywhere else to lock them. The streets are f*cking dominated by car lanes, carpark spaces, cars parked in cycle lanes, cars parked on sidewalks, car highways, car drivers who compensate for their little manhood using aggression to anyone crossing their path, and somehow locking bikes on a fencepost is a problem for him? As a pedestrian, I feel far more endangered by being potentially mowed down by a car in the process of parking on a sidewalk and not looking our for pedestrians, than just another stationary object on the sidewalk. When walking on the sidewalk I'm constantly on the lookout for (a) dogsh*t / trampled dogsh*t / horsesh*t / puddles or streams of fresh human urine / discarded food , (b) drunken / junkie skangers, (c) parked/parking vehicles, and NOT bicycles.

And screw those painted poles, they don't need the paint, it's not a maintenance issue, it's an appearance issue. If you're genuinely concerned about appearance, collect all the goddamn dogsh*t, uneaten bags of chips, bottles of vodka, emptied ashtrays, and get the goddamn cars off the sidewalk. It's called a "side walk", not a "side park-your-f*cking-car-where-you-want-and-take-the-whole-space-for-yourself".

I don't bike myself in Dublin, but bikes do take far less space than other modes of transport, and if you go to other cities that do provide adequate bike parking facilities (in terms of quality and quantity) they somehow don't seem to have that problem we have. While I agree that many cyclists don't particularly respect the law (in any case, neither do pedestrians nor drivers, but anyway), this is clearly a city-planning issue, i.e. of it not catering for its citizens needs, and not an issue of cyclists lacking consideration. The DCC wants more people cycling to reduce congestion, but fails to provide adequate parking facilities, adequate cycle lanes, adequate enforcement of cycle lanes, and adequate public information to ensure we're all one big happy family on roads. Getting more people to bike takes more than just putting a couple of bicycle hire stands around the city.

Ricky91t

Hail 2 Da Thief wrote: »

For the love of God won't somebody think of the children lamposts! Some people really have nothing better to do with their time!

The video froze on me half way through but I'd seen enough. My mind wandered & I found this happy dancers vid which was far more interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QocxF421TIM

That dancing man is wearing down the foot path and the stone on the GPO for no good reason. This should be frowned upon, and not only that but pedestrians are having to walk round him put themselves in dangerous situations.

doozerie

Once the clearly serious issue of unsightly bicycles has been tackled the next task is to get rid of all those cars cluttering up parking spaces and the roads in general. Next on the list will be unsightly people - you won't be allowed into the city if you fail the "are you beautiful" test. Etc.

sconhome

The paint on the signs is probably being eroded by the dogs pissing on them.

dave.obrien

amphkingwest wrote: »

The paint on the signs is probably being eroded by the dogs pissing on them.

Or the people who kick them while waiting for the bus. Or the drivers who open their car doors on them. Or the rain that falls from the sky and inconsiderately splashes back from the ground on to the posts.

Please somebody tell me that the video was a joke? If not, all it shows is that in Dublin, a lot of people cycle, and a lot of drivers and cyclists are crap at parking. Shocking, really, so different to every single other city I've ever been to...

Also, that whole point about the image that Dublin's designers had in their head about what O' Connell street would look like annoys me. They imagined it empty and unused, yeah? No. Just no, you fool.

BostonB

Usually internet drivel. Don't bother to research an issue, just make loads of assumptions, usually wrong.

thebouldwhacker

I agree with the majority of posters and wow the guy really should put his efforts into something more worth while but you know he does have a point.
There aren't enough bike stands in Dublin, or anywhere in the country for that matter.

BostonB

Cycling used to be the main form of transport up to about the 50's. Where did everyone park their bikes then?

xz

BostonB wrote: »

Cycling used to be the main form of transport up to about the 50's. Where did everyone park their bikes then?

They could be left, wherever you wanted........and guaranteed to STILL be there when you got back

BostonB

I kinda mean in terms of bike racks.

monument

BostonB wrote: »

I kinda mean in terms of bike racks.

Kick stands, lamp polls, walls, railings, trees.

BostonB

When did they start putting in cycling racks?

monument

BostonB wrote: »

When did they start putting in cycling racks?

Not sure of when. But it was some time after bicycle theft became such a problem and when they wanted to promote cycling.

galwaycyclist

Hi

The guy behind this also started a thread here somewhere on cycling on one-way streets but I can't find it anyone know where it is?

tomasrojo

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2056290109

This? Not quite about one-way streets.

Ray Palmer

The guy doesn't like cyclists simple as that. He is more bothered about the fact they don't follow signs than if something is safe or not. The complaints about the bridge on one of his other vids just seems pointless.

The truth is a cyclist is more akin to a pedestrian and should not be made follow the same rules as a car IMHO.

doozerie

Ray Palmer wrote: »

The truth is a cyclist is more akin to a pedestrian and should not be made follow the same rules as a car IMHO.

Many motorists already share your view. They'd see cyclists as being very much like pedestrians and that therefore cyclists should not be on "their" [motorists'] roads at all. Thankfully the majority of people disagree. Furthermore, many people realise that having different types of road user follow their own likely random and self-serving set of "rules" is not compatible with safety on the roads.