* Art History * predictions / discussion / aftermath * (1 thread please)

ameeeexx

Does anyone have any tips or notes that they have gotten on section 3, The Art Appreciation question? I know its mainly your own opinion but I really dont know how to write a essay long enough for it, and there is almost no help in the book
Any help woud be great, Thanks

outofthecrowd

This, I think is the hardest part of the exam because it's not something that can be studied like the renaissance artists or newgrange for example.

I'm convinced that a film question is due up, especially since 'Avatar' was released and it was such a big deal, we focused on 'Alice in Wonderland' as a fantasy film with great CGI and fantasy characters etc ...

The gallery question is the more popular question, so I'm not sure it'll come up this year, or it'll be quite difficult to avoid us writing what we've learned off...

As regards length, I make sure my other two questions are done well and spend the remaining time on Q3, a few paragraphs and images, as long as there are relevant points you'll get your marks...

OldSchool94

It's my favorite part of the exam because there is no specific marking scheme for it and it's something less to study! Basically give your own opinion and expand as far as you can on that opinion e.g if its a painting you are on about talk about the colors, line and anything you can think of! Even the history of the painting!

INCLUDE DRAWINGS to! They are what will fill up your pages and count for most of your marks! Not only in this question but in every question! Best of luck ...We all need it!

what.to.do

OldSchool94 wrote: »

It's my favorite part of the exam because there is no specific marking scheme for it and it's something less to study! Basically give your own opinion and expand as far as you can on that opinion e.g if its a painting you are on about talk about the colors, line and anything you can think of! Even the history of the painting!

INCLUDE DRAWINGS to! They are what will fill up your pages and count for most of your marks! Not only in this question but in every question! Best of luck ...We all need it!

Hate to be the bearer of bad news...
But drawings only account for 10/50 on any question! (5/50 if you're given the picture!) And there is a marking scheme for the section three, too..

I think I must be one of few that HATES that section with a passion!! :P

outofthecrowd

I quite dislike it too, it's hard to figure out the marking scheme so I tend to write stuff that isn't needed, i got 19 out of 50 for my pre in that section...while i got high 40s for the others ... ugh

Bbbbolger

I doubt the gallery question will come up this year, much to the dissapointment of many students. Film is due up, as is one of public sculpture or poster design. Thats what my teacher has predicted and after looking through the exam papers I agree. After that your guess is as good as mine. I was really annoyed about the Graffiti question coming up last year. I've based most of my posters and preps since Junior Cert on Graffiti and street art and have read up about it and learned a lot. If it came up again this year it would be a blessing!

ameeeexx

outofthecrowd wrote: »

This, I think is the hardest part of the exam because it's not something that can be studied like the renaissance artists or newgrange for example.

I'm convinced that a film question is due up, especially since 'Avatar' was released and it was such a big deal, we focused on 'Alice in Wonderland' as a fantasy film with great CGI and fantasy characters etc ...

The gallery question is the more popular question, so I'm not sure it'll come up this year, or it'll be quite difficult to avoid us writing what we've learned off...

As regards length, I make sure my other two questions are done well and spend the remaining time on Q3, a few paragraphs and images, as long as there are relevant points you'll get your marks...

Yeah I think is hardest part too! What type of things will you write about for Alice in Wonderland? Like is there any specific topics or headings or anything?

!!!

I thought the gallery question came up every year?

Anne01

i thought so to thats all we have covered in my school we have done hardly any art history only like the last week or so of school dunno how im goin to be able to do it .... does anyone have any predictions for section 1 and 2 it wud be greatly appreciated ..

dunner :P

Anne01 wrote: »

i thought so to thats all we have covered in my school we have done hardly any art history only like the last week or so of school dunno how im goin to be able to do it .... does anyone have any predictions for section 1 and 2 it wud be greatly appreciated ..

I would know newgrange pretty well for section 1, that and iron/bronze age tend to swap places every year and it wasnt up last year so...

As for section 2, know your two types of architecture and sculpture (gothic+romanesque) and how to compare/contrast. Paintings are usually hard to predict so whatever you like i guess!

Of course this is all just guess work, don't take it as gospel! :pac:

terryincork

Newgrange Im hoping for...Vinci aswel

Any predictions on what else?

I know the gallery question etc

Bbbbolger

So what are people using to do their illustrations? I was planning on using oil pastels (fairly handy for impressionism/abstact etc.) Would I be ok to use oil pastels or should I just stick to colouring pencils?

spazzy

what.to.do wrote: »

Hate to be the bearer of bad news...
But drawings only account for 10/50 on any question! (5/50 if you're given the picture!) And there is a marking scheme for the section three, too..

I think I must be one of few that HATES that section with a passion!! :P

agreed

OldSchool94

what.to.do wrote: »

Hate to be the bearer of bad news...
But drawings only account for 10/50 on any question! (5/50 if you're given the picture!) And there is a marking scheme for the section three, too..

I think I must be one of few that HATES that section with a passion!! :P

True but 'every little helps' :P

spazzy

Bbbbolger wrote: »

So what are people using to do their illustrations? I was planning on using oil pastels (fairly handy for impressionism/abstact etc.) Would I be ok to use oil pastels or should I just stick to colouring pencils?

where do you get the time? I just about draw them!

Bbbbolger

For Impressionism and stuff I tend not to draw them. I just go straight at them with the pastels. For Irish/Romanesque/Gothic I rarely get them done properly.

kt.alice

Bbbbolger wrote: »

So what are people using to do their illustrations? I was planning on using oil pastels (fairly handy for impressionism/abstact etc.) Would I be ok to use oil pastels or should I just stick to colouring pencils?

We were always just told to use regular pencils, I didn't even know you could use colouring pencils

Tij da feen

kt.alice wrote: »

We were always just told to use regular pencils, I didn't even know you could use colouring pencils

If you have the time use the colouring pencils. It's makes it much better looking and it stands out more.

I think this will be a grand exam all and all. I find the gallery question is always good enough. Hopefull I'll get a good one and I can talk about the Jack B. Yeats exhibition. Also hopefully Newgrange will come up this year.

mathgeek

i think that manet might come up for section two in the general painting question as a painting of a reclinging figure. and maybe vangogh for post impressionism

mpdg

*hides under covers away from Art History notes*

My teacher said to use pencil, ask for graph paper to draw on the back of and go back at the end and make them "bloody gorgeous" if you have time. Said nothing about colouring pencils, mind.

martyllia

COLOURING PENCILS definitely using them,it just makes better impression and stand out

I'm doing
IRISH
Newgrange & Bronze Age
Iron Age as a back up

EUROPEAN
Monet
Degas
Cezanne
Van Gogh
Picasso
Dali

GENERAL APPRECEATION
Design
Exhibition
that's all we've covered for that section

Aragneer

Hey guys,

So I've studied:

Newgrange
Bronze Age
Iron age (slightly )

But I want to know if a question on impression always comes up because I really suck at Da Vinci and anything like that

ChristinaIndigo

I'd love to see Da Vinci tomorrow.... judging by my hopes for history not being there today though - he probably won't be :rolleyes:

Meller

Art Appreciation is the definition of bullsh*t - just analyse everything you say, even if it sounds rubbish (so much interpretation of art is:rolleyes:). If you're asked to design something e.g. a sculpture or a poster, if you say it's green, you could literally write half a page on why you chose for it to be green. Talk about the symbolism of it being green; the effect green has on people, or make up some obscure link between green and the subject of the item. They can't say it's wrong.


I've done Pre-Christian Ireland and the Romanesque/Gothic period. Hope it's enough. You can actually talk crap in those sections as well- if you make it sound like you love the art and have a genuine interest it looks good. I spent my whole Newgrange essay in the mock talking about what an amaaazing achievement it was (and I'm not exaggerating when I say 'my whole essay'). I even made up the dimensions of Newgrange the amount of rocks.:pac: Nobody seemed to notice.

mathgeek

if i learn Manet, Monet and Degas am i okay for european art?

Meller

mathgeek wrote: »

if i learn Manet, Monet and Degas am i okay for european art?

Is it a good idea to do all impressionists? I'd do an artist from another time period if I were you, instead of one of those three.

mathgeek

so if i do van gogh and gauguin aswell would i be more or less covered?

martyllia

mathgeek wrote: »

so if i do van gogh and gauguin aswell would i be more or less covered?

instead of van gogh i would learn picasso or dali

mathgeek

thank you

kt.alice

For the Irish section, I'm doing:

• Newgrange
• Bronze Age
• Enough Iron Age to handle a mix of it and one of the above

For European:

• Surrealism (Dali)
• Cubism (Picasso)
• Expressionism (Munch & Kandinsky)
• Donatello (his sculpture)
• ...one Impressionist

I've my Gallery Visit answer sorted, and know a wee bit of sculpture for the appreciation section, too.

Anyone any input on which Impressionist to do? Manet? Monet?

karaokeman

Ah whats the worst that could happen?

For general appreciation, meh not really bothered just have to write about anything I would like to create or improve. I plan on talking about Croke Park, just waffling on about it being 82,300 capacity and the seating plan for concerts, matches etc.

In European history, I'm going to do the general question because SOMETHING has to be there I can answer on. But if a question on da Vinci himself comes up I will be chuffed.

With Irish, hopefully Newgrange as it didn't come up last year and maybe Book of Kells or Jack Yeats.

Try not to stress about it people, we already have 67.5% of our marks for the practical exams, one bad essay tomorrow won't screw us up that bad:p

mathgeek

martyllia wrote: »

instead of van gogh i would learn picasso or dali

kt.alice wrote: »

For the Irish section, I'm doing:

• Newgrange
• Bronze Age
• Enough Iron Age to handle a mix of it and one of the above

For European:

• Surrealism (Dali)
• Cubism (Picasso)
• Expressionism (Munch & Kandinsky)
• Donatello (his sculpture)
• ...one Impressionist

I've my Gallery Visit answer sorted, and know a wee bit of sculpture for the appreciation section, too.

Anyone any input on which Impressionist to do? Manet? Monet?

Manet hasn't been up in a few years so i would recommend him, however, he is arguably not an impressionist painter, but a forerunner to impressionism so if a question in impressionism comes up you may lose marks...

adler

Irish
Hopefully the aul Newgrange will surface, but i have done Knowth and Dowth incase they're thrown onto the paper. I have bronze and iron Age covered as well as high crosses...
European
Gothic and Romanesque with a church in detail for each. Van Ecyk (northern Renaissance-arnolfini portrait) Da Vinci (Last Supper, Mona Lisa, Ginerve de benci, Virgin on the rocks, Annunciation), Uccello (The Hunt in the forest and battle of san romano), Michaelangelo (everything) and Piccasso (references to "women running on the beach", "la vie", "three musicians", "Violin and Sheet music", "the three dancers"- references to advance and changes in style) , GUERNICA is a huge part of that answer, le Demoiselles D'Avignon (in detail), and Donatello just in case. Looks like impressionists and expressionists may surface, maybe JB yeats due to exhibition this year- very hard to predict due to specificity of q's.
Appreciation
PLEASE MUSEUM VISIT! - if not, its quite easy to answer on housing estate planning, product design etc etc Dont Museums come up?

kt.alice

mathgeek wrote: »

Manet hasn't been up in a few years so i would recommend him, however, he is arguably not an impressionist painter, but a forerunner to impressionism so if a question in impressionism comes up you may lose marks...

That's a very good point. :rolleyes: The last time Monet came up was 2004, and that was WITH Renoir. So I'd say he's due...?

adler

Suppose we get a B1 in the practical, whats the least needed to maintain a B1 or even push up to an A2? I think that an A1 is hard to get in history, especially through sketches (where do we get the time?-BTW, i never use pastels OR colours... i just about get the sketches done in plane 2B, but a guess colours would be needed for appreciation...) but pretty essential for a high grade overall. Im hoping Newgrange, and Gothic VS Romanesque/ picasso and a museum visit come up.
Good luck everyone tomorrow!

!!!

Is Michelangelo likely?

kt.alice

!!! wrote: »

Is Michelangelo likely?

Umm don't think so. He came up in 2009.

martyllia

kt.alice wrote: »

That's a very good point. :rolleyes: The last time Monet came up was 2004, and that was WITH Renoir. So I'd say he's due...?

He'll better come up tomorrow !:D

kt.alice

martyllia wrote: »

He'll better come up tomorrow !:D

Amen! He'd be handy for a water-theme question, too.

martyllia

kt.alice wrote: »

Amen! He'd be handy for a water-theme question, too.

And for landscape! did that for my mock got 42/50 without much studying

ChristinaIndigo

Monet or Manet...??

kt.alice

Monet! :pac:

JReilly

My art teacher went through feck all for the European section, but I'm doing:

Irish:

1. Newgrange
2. Stone Age
3. Bronze Age
4. Iron Age

European:

1. Da Vinci
2. Michaelangelo
3. Romanesque Architecture and Sculpture
4. Gothic Architecture and Sculpture

I won't bother doing colour except for an artist. (that's if I decide to write about one tomorrow!) I'm also not going to bother writing about the exhibition. I'm fairly good at writing crap so anything on the appreciation I can handle.

kt.alice

Reckon I'm gonna bring in the aul colouring pencils, but only use 'em if I've the time spare at the end. :rolleyes:

terryincork

kt.alice wrote: »

Reckon I'm gonna bring in the aul colouring pencils, but only use 'em if I've the time spare at the end. :rolleyes:

LOL it really doesnt matter if you use colouring pencils or not..as long as your drawing is of a good standard and shows what you are trying to "illustrate" you are set.

Im hoping for DeVinci..last supper..and if a 2nd question is added to that, Mona Lisa..sorted!

adler

is picasso likely for the kind of q where it says,
(a) "discuss an artist of the modernist/cubist era and one work in detail with reference to background, works, medium, styles etc"
(b)"with reference to the named artist name another of his works and briefly describe it"
Illustrate your answer ?????
or will he be more likely named specifically like on the mocks?

kt.alice

adler wrote: »

is picasso likely for the kind of q where it says,
(a) "discuss an artist of the modernist/cubist era and one work in detail with reference to background, works, medium, styles etc"
(b)"with reference to the named artist name another of his works and briefly describe it"
Illustrate your answer ?????
or will he be more likely named specifically like on the mocks?

Does it matter?

adler

by the way, are colouring pencils reccomended for the art exam to improve marks on sketches? is using another medium more impressive than just pencil?

adler

kt.alice wrote: »

Does it matter?

i guess not, lol! I just dont want him coming up linked with another cubist/modernist artist like the time when renoir came up with monet... I's like the question to be based on two of his works in detail eg Guernica and les demasailles D'Avigna (sorry still have to learn how to spell them!) and then with just reference to his life, cubist and surrealist influences, relationships with Georges Braque, El Greco etc. Does anyone have reccomendations for approaching the sketches of artists? I think for Picasso id have about 8 for the whole essay...is that enough? sorry, i dont have any exam papers and was wondering of any other artist q's had come up in a different style.

adler

JReilly wrote: »

My art teacher went through feck all for the European section, but I'm doing:

Irish:

1. Newgrange
2. Stone Age
3. Bronze Age
4. Iron Age

European:

1. Da Vinci
2. Michaelangelo
3. Romanesque Architecture and Sculpture
4. Gothic Architecture and Sculpture

I won't bother doing colour except for an artist. (that's if I decide to write about one tomorrow!) I'm also not going to bother writing about the exhibition. I'm fairly good at writing crap so anything on the appreciation I can handle.

thats exactly what i have done in detail...i think thats enough. Architecture has to come for the european because it covers a whole two eras! I would say both styles may come up together, as gothic was on the mocks and i think its romanesques turn to surface according to the papers.

casperkiid

how long should each essay be??
LAST EXAM WOOO!