No Fair City On RTE ONE+1

glimmerman123

My wife tuned into RTE ONE+1 to watch Fair City last night and a caption came on saying this programe is not available on Saorview. Any reason why Fair City was not on at 9pm on RTE ONE+1?

STB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpN_TOP9hg8

Minstrel27

glimmerman123 wrote: »

My wife tuned into RTE ONE+1 to watch Fair City last night and a caption came on saying this programe is not available on Saorview. Any reason why Fair City was not on at 9pm on RTE ONE+1?

They obviously don't have the rights to show it again. It is also not available on the international version of the RTÉ Player.

glimmerman123

Minstrel27 wrote: »

They obviously don't have the rights to show it again. It is also not available on the international version of the RTÉ Player.

Who owns the rights? Is it not RTE?

fat-tony

Probably would have to pay the actors etc. for repeat fees, perhaps?

glimmerman123

I take it it was on RTE ONE on Saorview? Why did say not available on Saorview instead of this channel? It's just my curiosity is getting the better of me.

The Cush

This posted yesterday

Karsini wrote: »

Probably for the same reason it can't be shown on RTÉ Player - Equity.

Johnboy1951

Yeah ..... all those actors would have to do it all again and get paid again :eek:

Gipo3

But it is repeated the day after on rte one so whats the difference?

glimmerman123

Gipo3 wrote: »

But it is repeated the day after on rte one so whats the difference?

Maybe it's because it might be on a different channel and therefore is classed as a first run program so then RTE may have to pay the actors extra.

icdg

Minstrel27 wrote: »

They obviously don't have the rights to show it again. It is also not available on the international version of the RTÉ Player.

Its not even on the domestic version. Irish Actors' Equity looked for a pay rise when they put it up.

http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2010/mar/14/rte-in-row-with-fair-city-actors/

jamescc

it would be no loss if they take it off the air

recyclebin

jamescc wrote: »

it would be no loss if they take it off the air

How does a personal opinion about Fair City answer the OP question?

jamescc

because there would not be a problem if it was taken of the air so the op problem would not be there and yes it is an personal opinion

Digifriendly

jamescc wrote: »

because there would not be a problem if it was taken of the air so the op problem would not be there and yes it is an personal opinion

But it still doesn't answer the OP question.

faw1tytowers

They dont even show it on RTE Player. SHAM!

jamescc

well i'm sure someone on here will be able to answer the " OP question" because i know i cant

lawhec

Probably something to do with the rights in showing repeats which would include time-shift channels like RTÉ One +1. You can see it on odd occasions on some time-shift UK channels, I've seen it on ITV2 +1, ITV3+1 and DMAX strangely enough.

There would also be the matter of distribution agreements. For example Family Guy & American Dad are not available on the BBC iPlayer either as catch-up or as a live feed (simply shows a caption that current programming is unavailable).

Since RTÉ One +1 is effectively a newborn channel and RTÉ haven't any prior experience in dealing with time-shifting domestic services, it may take a while for all programmes to have this ironed out.

fat-tony

jamescc wrote: »

well i'm sure someone on here will be able to answer the " OP question" because i know i cant

Multiple answers already - it's Equity:rolleyes:

touts

Maybe they finally got embarrassed showing Fair sh*tty and decided not to inflict seconds on the world. But you can tell your wife she missed nothing. Its Fair Sh*tty. Nothing happened last night. Nothing happened last week. Nothing happened last year. Spoiler: nothing happens next week.

liamtech

Maybe they finally got embarrassed showing Fair sh*tty and decided not to inflict seconds on the world. But you can tell your wife she missed nothing. Its Fair Sh*tty. Nothing happened last night. Nothing happened last week. Nothing happened last year. Spoiler: nothing happens next week.

EPIC:pac: lol:D

I would say its equity though - makes sense as there is no other possible reason i can think of

10000maniacs

Whats the definition of irony? RTE getting precious with their krud.

wil

liamtech wrote: »

EPIC:pac: lol:D

I would say its equity though - makes sense as there is no other possible reason i can think of

I'd say this gives a pretty good indication. They haven't even agreed the extra € online rights for the rteplayer, now even more hand rubbing as they go back to the negotiation table for +1 rights
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/fair-city-actors-get-extra-pay-for-soap-to-go-online-2560136.html

I reckon longer unsociable hours and higher definition acting are worthy reasons for getting rid of FS entirely.

RTE should cancel the series or tell the actors they are canceling and replacing it with a new one called cork city unless they cop on and accept modernity.

RTE lost €30 million last year and the people involved in this want more money??
Tell them they can have the money when fair city makes €30 million.

Fupping ridiculous.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE should cancel the series or tell the actors they are canceling and replacing it with a new one called cork city unless they cop on and accept modernity.

The real problem is that RTE are cheapskates in terms of Fair City. They cut back on everything, including actor's wages. The actors on Fair City are paid practically nothing and operate on rolling short-term contracts. If they're not on the show for two weeks, then they're on the scratch for two weeks, even though they might still technically be in contract and so can't take work elsewhere.

So it's perfectly reasonable for them to receive extra pay if their work is being broadcast through a different medium.

OK, so looking for extra money for the +1 service is taking the piss, but not for RTE player IMO.

Sam Russell

seamus wrote: »

OK, so looking for extra money for the +1 service is taking the piss, but not for RTE player IMO.

Reminds me of the Dart drivers looking for more money to drive longer trains. They did not get it. And we were not in a recession at the time.

I think extra pay for a +1 channel is another reason for not having a +1 channel.

Stinicker

seamus wrote: »

The real problem is that RTE are cheapskates in terms of Fair City. They cut back on everything, including actor's wages. The actors on Fair City are paid practically nothing and operate on rolling short-term contracts. If they're not on the show for two weeks, then they're on the scratch for two weeks, even though they might still technically be in contract and so can't take work elsewhere.

So it's perfectly reasonable for them to receive extra pay if their work is being broadcast through a different medium.

OK, so looking for extra money for the +1 service is taking the piss, but not for RTE player IMO.

Sam Russell wrote: »

Reminds me of the Dart drivers looking for more money to drive longer trains. They did not get it. And we were not in a recession at the time.

I think extra pay for a +1 channel is another reason for not having a +1 channel.

Well RTÉ should just sack them then, they should not get extra pay for either a +1hr channel or for RTÉ broadcasting it online, it is a small soap opera watched by about a maximum of half a million people in Ireland only, paid for by the state broadcasting company and they behave like Divas on Desperate Housewives.

Fair City is brutally rubbish anyway and why don't RTE produce something of mass appeal and interest that they could then syndicate worldwide like the BBC with Eastenders, ITV with Coronation Street and Seven Network with Home and Away, most English speaking countries export some TV yet Ireland's home produced stuff is such rubbish that they can't even compete with imports, all of the three examples given being more popular here than RTÉ's half baked attempt.

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marclt

At least they put a nice banner up instead of showing a black screen... which they seem to like to do a lot on Saorview in 'down-time'...

IT happens quite a bit on ITV +1 channels, I've seen it lots on ITV4+1 if there is a film showing or something...

seamus

Stinicker wrote: »

Well RTÉ should just sack them then, they should not get extra pay for either a +1hr channel or for RTÉ broadcasting it online, it is a small soap opera watched by about a maximum of half a million people in Ireland only, paid for by the state broadcasting company and they behave like Divas on Desperate Housewives.

Considering the size of the country, half a million people is a fantastic draw for a long-running soap. It would be the equivalent of a show regularly pulling 50 million viewers in the states. Which would be record-breaking in real terms.

Now, I'm not saying that tells us the show is any good, but for some reason it's exceptionally popular, especially considering how many people have alternatives to RTE.

I do agree that they need to either scrap it or throw more money at it to make it saleable outside of Ireland. The primary problem at the moment is that it's all done on a shoestring budget, which is why the acting appears to be appalling, the writing lazy and the production values poor.

Macy0161

Pretty damning, that even after the post explaining the crap working conditions that the actors have, that the solution is still "sack them".

Macy0161

Macy0161 wrote: »

Pretty damning, that even after the post explaining the crap working conditions that the actors have, that the solution is still "sack them".

People have chosen to be actors for centuries.
In modern times only stars get decent salaries which is true for the stars of fair city.
Most actors in hollywood have 2nd jobs to keep them going,thats life.
Acting isn't brain surgery and by golly theres an awfull lot of wooden acting on fair city aswell as good actors.

The market pays what the market can bear and in my opinion,asking for extra on the loop hole of having a contract devised before catch up services and +1 channels is taking the total píss.
The fact is RTE lost 30 millions last year.
It's not making money.

If it had to survive on commercial income alone,it would be paying these stars a lot less and there would be a lot less people working in RTE earning less.

seamus

Macy0161 wrote: »

Pretty damning, that even after the post explaining the crap working conditions that the actors have, that the solution is still "sack them".

I'll be honest here: For most of the actors on Fair City, losing their position on the soap wouldn't be a huge drop in salary. They're not paid much, and most of them rely on work outside of fair city to pay their day-to-day stuff. With the exception of maybe 8 of the constantly recurring characters, the rest don't earn enough from Fair City to put a roof over their heads or food on the table. They rely on other acting work (and in many cases other kinds of work) to keep them going.
Fair City is considered by most actors to be worthwhile as exposure to move onto paying jobs as opposed to the "decent paying job" that you would expect of a soap.

Macy0161

Deleted User wrote: »

The market pays what the market can bear and in my opinion,asking for extra on the loop hole of having a contract devised before catch up services and +1 channels is taking the total píss.
The fact is RTE lost 30 millions last year.
It's not making money.

If it had to survive on commercial income alone,it would be paying these stars a lot less and there would be a lot less people working in RTE earning less.

It's really tiresome that every debate around salaries in this state uses examples of overpaid people at the top to justify crap pay at the bottom.

They appear to have rubbish terms and conditions, they are using the opportunity of a lack of foresight by RTE HR to try and improve them. Fair enough imo, I just don't get the vitriol. Especially as most of the same posters say it's crap, so why are they bothered if it's not on rteplayer or rte1+1? So they get to not watch it multiple times??

jaggiebunnet

Macy0161 wrote: »

It's really tiresome that every debate around salaries in this state uses examples of overpaid people at the top to justify crap pay at the bottom.

They appear to have rubbish terms and conditions, they are using the opportunity of a lack of foresight by RTE HR to try and improve them. Fair enough imo, I just don't get the vitriol.

If they don't like it they can piss off and get a real job elsewhere - I am sure loads of the unemployed would enjoy the chance to "work" as an actor and earn a few bob. Really, it's not like it is anything like hard work.

seamus

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

If they don't like it they can piss off and get a real job elsewhere - I am sure loads of the unemployed would enjoy the chance to "work" as an actor and earn a few bob. Really, it's not like it is anything like hard work.

Spoken exactly like someone who hasn't a clue what's involved.

The Irish have always been stingy with their artists, considering it unskilled and wasteful, hence why for the last few hundred years most of our best ones have had to go abroad to get any kind of recognition.

We pay our bankers, politicians and publicans far more than we pay our artists, yet the former three require few skills or dedication.

Stinicker

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

If they don't like it they can piss off and get a real job elsewhere - I am sure loads of the unemployed would enjoy the chance to "work" as an actor and earn a few bob. Really, it's not like it is anything like hard work.

QFT, plus if they are any good at it, they may find it to be the "big break" they need leading them onto bigger and better things. I'd say if RTE filled it with work placement actors they'd even get better results than the vitriol it is at the moment, it's not known commonly as "Fairly Sh***y" for nothing.

jaggiebunnet

seamus wrote: »

Spoken exactly like someone who hasn't a clue what's involved.

it is dressing up and playing - it is not a real job no matter how you might protest.

seamus wrote: »

The Irish have always been stingy with their artists, considering it unskilled and wasteful, hence why for the last few hundred years most of our best ones have had to go abroad to get any kind of recognition.

We pay our bankers, politicians and publicans far more than we pay our artists, yet the former three require few skills or dedication.

Surely they are in it for their art (ha) and not the money. If they want well paid work - go and get a proper job.

seamus

What's a "real job", pray tell? How is dressing up in a suit and talking business any more "real" than acting? How is looking at cars and turning a few spanners a "real job"?

This is exactly the nonsense attitude that clueless people go on with.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of actors spend more time in college, more time scraping the pennies together and more time working and pursuing work than 99% of "real" workers.

You want to be able to watch TV and listen to music, but at the same time go on about "Anyone can do it", and "they should do it for free if they love it so much". You can say the same for any job.

jaggiebunnet

seamus wrote: »

You want to be able to watch TV and listen to music, but at the same time go on about "Anyone can do it", and "they should do it for free if they love it so much". You can say the same for any job.

I never mentioned music - good music takes real talent.

And I never said they should do it for free. I said if they don't like how much they are paid go and get real work.

Obviously it is a touchy subject for you so I will not post on it again as I don't want to upset anyone.

seamus

jaggiebunnet wrote: »

I never mentioned music - good music takes real talent.

But producing drama doesn't. I see.

lawhec

Stinicker wrote: »

Fair City is brutally rubbish anyway and why don't RTE produce something of mass appeal and interest that they could then syndicate worldwide like the BBC with Eastenders, ITV with Coronation Street and Seven Network with Home and Away, most English speaking countries export some TV yet Ireland's home produced stuff is such rubbish that they can't even compete with imports, all of the three examples given being more popular here than RTÉ's half baked attempt.

Apart from US, UK and a couple of Australian soaps, what other material from other countries whose main or official language(s) is English do we see prominently on Irish TV? For New Zealand, Shortland Street is the only one I can think of straight away which is a daytime filler. Canada? South Africa? What about less obvious ones like India or Singapore? Leaving aside H&A and Neighbours regardless of personal opinion of them, while they have occasional nuggets of goodness like Underbelly and All Saints, Australian produced TV is pretty dire by and large - imported programmes from the USA and UK take up a large amount of schedules on the main channels.

Macy0161

RTE do co produce stuff with UK channels as well, although I'm sure anything good about them is because of the UK influence :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure "Single Handed", which as far as I'm aware was an RTE produced/ commissioned show, was on one of the ITV channels in prime time in recent weeks.

Stinicker

lawhec wrote: »

Apart from US, UK and a couple of Australian soaps, what other material from other countries whose main or official language(s) is English do we see prominently on Irish TV? For New Zealand, Shortland Street is the only one I can think of straight away which is a daytime filler. Canada? South Africa? What about less obvious ones like India or Singapore? Leaving aside H&A and Neighbours regardless of personal opinion of them, while they have occasional nuggets of goodness like Underbelly and All Saints, Australian produced TV is pretty dire by and large - imported programmes from the USA and UK take up a large amount of schedules on the main channels.

New Zealand and Ireland could be compared quite well, in terms population and yet they can produce a TV show good enough to be viewed on the other side of the globe, RTÉ's flagship soap Fair City is so dire it struggles to survive on its home turf. Australia and New Zealand both also produce a good bit of childrens TV alot of which was popular when I was a kid, Canada exports a lot of childrens TV and films also, Ireland well just about the only good thing to come out of here in terms of TV was Father Ted, and we have the Brits & Channel 4 to thank for that.

icdg

Touts, if you have nothing to add to the thread don't post or you'll be banned.

Not sure if this board is the place to discuss whether or not actors in general receive a fair salary, maybe if we can keep the topic to that of Fair City on RTÉ1+1.

lasno

Its not just Fair City. I had planned to watch the consumer show on RTE1+1 on Tuesday night but it too was not available.

Strawberry HillBilly

Doe sanyone know why this programme was unavailable ? If it is for same reason surely this channel is doomed ?

Sam Russell

Of course, it could be in RTE's interest for the channel to be doomed. Then they would have to go back to plan A - RTE Plus.

Strawberry HillBilly

Please please let your conspiracy theory come true !! RTE Plus sounded so much better and it is rediculous to have repeat of the 6 oclock news on 2 of 4 RTE channels at the same time

lasno

lasno wrote: »

Its not just Fair City. I had planned to watch the consumer show on RTE1+1 on Tuesday night but it too was not available.

Rofl...what ... Eddie Hobbes looking for more pay too?

That channel is a farce.

Fingleberries

Deleted User wrote: »

Rofl...what ... Eddie Hobbes looking for more pay too?

That channel is a farce.

The Channel is a farce, or the performers and presenters? RTÉ aren't paying the extra demanded which seems sensible to me.

patrickmooney

This is ridiculous. RTE pay for a programme to be made, they should be able to use that programme however they see fit. If RTE don't show it will the actors have to give back their salaries?

RTE should just cancel the show and set it up again. Who knows, maybe their new cast will be able to *act* (not a fan of the show myself).