Another big Mexican signing for WWE

drayme

F4WOnline:

There are rumors going around that it will be announced tomorrow morning of a new WWE signing. It is not a major name star as far as someone a lot of people would know, but it's fairly significant for a number of reasons.

Some are speculating it is Averno, Mistico/Sin Cara's frequently opponent in Mexico.

jaykhunter

drayme wrote: »

Some are speculating it is Averno, Mistico/Sin Cara's frequently opponent in Mexico.

OK so this might sound racist, but between Mysterio, Del Rio and Sin Cara (and Chavo if you will), don't you think WWE have enough mexicans!

Maybe they've finally landed Ariane from Tough Enough to a big money contract - I hear she's divalicious.

waltersobchak

jaykhunter wrote: »

OK so this might sound racist, but between Mysterio, Del Rio and Sin Cara (and Chavo if you will), don't you think WWE have enough mexicans!

Hispanics are the second largest Demographic in the US, perhaps WWE(quite logically) want to tap into that market..

D2D

jaykhunter wrote: »

Maybe they've finally landed Ariane from Tough Enough to a big money contract - I hear she's divalicious.

She's gonna meet her idols, Melina & Alicia Fox:eek: Quick Did You Know but apparently, that's her favourite match

Walters right though, it's a smart move to go into the Mexican/Lucha Libre market.

Insect Overlord

It might help cut down on Mystico's botches if he's working with someone who knows his style!

jaykhunter

I mean, the mexicans have an old guard face, a new face, and a prominent heel; what more can another chicano do? That's every role!

Like another english lad won't beefen up the UK audience!

Dr.Evil

jaykhunter wrote: »

I mean, the mexicans have an old guard face, a new face, and a prominent heel; what more can another chicano do? That's every role!

Like another english lad won't beefen up the UK audience!

I think they dropped the ball on Burchill actually..he could of gone far, and secured large UK interest.

CMpunked

He could possibly tag with Sin?

GTR63

CMpunked wrote: »

He could possibly tag with Sin?

That'd work if wwe had even 1 Tag Team worth a damn.I don't get wwe signing another Mexican luchador.They either really want to get Sin Cara over by replicating his matches in Mexico or they are going into overdrive to grab more of the Mexican market.WWE seem to be hiring a lot of multinationals to tap into different markets.

Machismo Fan

waltersobchak wrote: »

Hispanics are the second largest Demographic in the US, perhaps WWE(quite logically) want to tap into that market..

The more they get the less the ones they have mean. If there were four other masked high flyers when Mysterio debuted he wouldn't have gotten over nearly as much as he did.

drayme

The fairly significant for a number of reasons thing is the most interesting part. Probably not a WWE or Wrestling or mainstream star. Meaning it is someone who WWE will do more damage taking he or she than immediately benefiting WWE.

When Mistico was signed people were stating that the major Mexican companies could not under any circumstance let another star go to WWE as if that happened it make them look small time in comparison to WWE. WWE is killing all the major promotions in the ratings despite everyone thinking that wouldnt happen as Lucha was so much part of the culture. Another star leaving would hit Mexico HARD.

waltersobchak

Machismo Fan wrote: »

The more they get the less the ones they have mean. If there were four other masked high flyers when Mysterio debuted he wouldn't have gotten over nearly as much as he did.

Well not all future Mexican WWE wrestlers have to be Rey Mysterio carbon copies, and on the flipside, dont have to Mexicool/Mexican sterotypes either. Del Rio's the perfect example of what could be achieved by other Mexican's. And tbh i'd love to see more Mexicans and indeed Japanese wrestlers in WWE as i think WWE's International expansion can only mean good things for us fans. As personally I'd prefer to see Wrestlers who've Wrestled and been trained all around the Globe, than those who've just stepped out of a Golds Gym and landed in FCW, and end up becoming the next Eli Cottonwood ..

drayme

Machismo Fan wrote: »

The more they get the less the ones they have mean. If there were four other masked high flyers when Mysterio debuted he wouldn't have gotten over nearly as much as he did.

Yeah the thinking of we have our masked guy was one of the many reasons Ultimo Dragon's initial push got dropped.

Machismo Fan

waltersobchak wrote: »

Well not all future Mexican WWE wrestlers have to be Rey Mysterio carbon copies, and on the flipside, dont have to Mexicool/Mexican sterotypes either. Del Rio's the perfect example of what could be achieved by other Mexican's. And tbh i'd love to see more Mexicans and indeed Japanese wrestlers in WWE as i think WWE's International expansion can only mean good things for us fans. As personally I'd prefer to see Wrestlers who've Wrestled and been trained all around the Globe, than those who've just stepped out of a Golds Gym and landed in FCW, and end up becoming the next Eli Cottonwood ..

But if they bring in too many more they decrease the overall marketability and appeal of the ones they have. They're fine with Del Rio, Sin Cara and Mysterio, any more and diminishing returns would kick in.

Diabhal Beag

It better be Conor Hurley :pac:

rossie1977

waltersobchak wrote: »

As personally I'd prefer to see Wrestlers who've Wrestled and been trained all around the Globe, than those who've just stepped out of a Golds Gym and landed in FCW, and end up becoming the next Eli Cottonwood ..

i doubt cottonwood ever seen the inside of a gym but he did come straight from the basketball court like gonzales

on the topic of fcw strange they would sign another masked mexican when they have one down in fcw for a long while now ready to go, Hunico

drayme

rossie1977 wrote: »

on the topic of fcw strange they would sign another masked mexican when they have one down in fcw for a long while now ready to go, Hunico

He isnt just "another masked mexican" Averno is Flair to Sin Cara's Steamboat or whatever other comparison you want to make.

parker kent

waltersobchak wrote: »

Well not all future Mexican WWE wrestlers have to be Rey Mysterio carbon copies, and on the flipside, dont have to Mexicool/Mexican sterotypes either. Del Rio's the perfect example of what could be achieved by other Mexican's. And tbh i'd love to see more Mexicans and indeed Japanese wrestlers in WWE as i think WWE's International expansion can only mean good things for us fans. As personally I'd prefer to see Wrestlers who've Wrestled and been trained all around the Globe, than those who've just stepped out of a Golds Gym and landed in FCW, and end up becoming the next Eli Cottonwood ..

+1000 Greater variety would be a God send. I think HHH realises that the FCW production line produces too many dull, boring nobodies. Guys from around the world have learned their craft over a number of years. Much like how Randy Savage, Curt Hennig etc learned their craft in the territories.

Machismo Fan wrote: »

But if they bring in too many more they decrease the overall marketability and appeal of the ones they have. They're fine with Del Rio, Sin Cara and Mysterio, any more and diminishing returns would kick in.

If it becomes normal for Mexicans to be in the WWE, fans won't say "oh look a Mexican!". It will just be "Oh look Del Rio/Sin Cara" etc. They just need to debut them and have them as no less unusual than if another white American signed for them. Their character should be what makes them stand out, not their nationality. Del Rio is a great example of that. He is a rich asshole, who just happens to be Mexican. It shouldn't be about them being Mexican.

Also, like Del Rio they may not have other Mexicans wearing a mask.

Lord TSC

I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's KENTA!

flahavaj

No way in hell its KENTA.

If it is Averno, you can look at that as a signing not so much that WWE think will benefit their product but one that will hurt their opposition badly. They want to become dominant in the Mexican market which has a massive appetite for wrestling. If they got Averno its another nail in the coffin of the local scene and cements ther place as number 1 in that country. Its kinda like the 2011 version of Vince decimating the territories of all their talent in the early 80's. Cynical business you might say, but its a dog eat dog world.

Charisteas

Could be Dan Ouellette, the boyfriend of Kharma, and who was trained by Killer Kowalski so would be known to Triple H.

flahavaj

Charisteas wrote: »

Could be Dan Ouellette, the boyfriend of Kharma, and who was trained by Killer Kowalski so would be known to Triple H.

I severely doubt it, he's about as far away from the WWE "look" as you can get.

If its not a luchadore, someone like the Kings of Wrestling would be a solid shout.

Lord TSC

I know it's Wiki and lol but this is now on Averno's wiki...

On May 29th 2011, it was revealed that Averno had signed a contract with WWE, after Sin Cara asked WWE officials to bring Averno in to work with him. CMLL had plans for Averno to lose his mask to La Mascara on June 17th, but he has requested to CMLL officials to allow him to drop his mask as soon as possible, or he would seek out other promoters to do so. Averno plans to wrestle in WWE as an unmasked heel.[11]

drayme

PWInsider confirmed it.

DM_7

A Kozlov call up can't be too far away so.

parker kent

If it is Averno, it makes sense for him to work unmasked.

Machismo Fan

parker kent wrote: »

If it becomes normal for Mexicans to be in the WWE, fans won't say "oh look a Mexican!". It will just be "Oh look Del Rio/Sin Cara" etc. They just need to debut them and have them as no less unusual than if another white American signed for them. Their character should be what makes them stand out, not their nationality. Del Rio is a great example of that. He is a rich asshole, who just happens to be Mexican. It shouldn't be about them being Mexican.

That would lead to the new guys being just another guy rather than something special.

I haven't seen much of Averno, just a little during the '08 World X Cup but he didn't seem anything special.

parker kent

Machismo Fan wrote: »

That would lead to the new guys being just another guy rather than something special.

I haven't seen much of Averno, just a little during the '08 World X Cup but he didn't seem anything special.

They wouldn't be just another guy if the character was good enough. It's no different to any American or Canadian. They live or die by the character, their booking and their ability in and out of the ring.

Pentecost

Can he speak English? I assume he can as there'd be little point in a feud between the two if neither speak English!

Machismo Fan

parker kent wrote: »

They wouldn't be just another guy if the character was good enough. It's no different to any American or Canadian. They live or die by the character, their booking and their ability in and out of the ring.

But that's just making things needlessly more awkward and difficult for yourself.

Insect Overlord

Pentecost wrote: »

I assume he can as there'd be little point in a feud between the two if neither speak English!

I take it you haven't seen Smackdown recently. :pac:

GTR63

Pentecost wrote: »

Can he speak English? I assume he can as there'd be little point in a feud between the two if neither speak English!

Expect a lot of pointing their index finger at each other and a interpeter to try make sense of it all. Hope these guys are getting some lessons though.

Dr.Evil

Has indeed been confirmed. For those of you who don't know him;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAS4SXgq9s

parker kent

Machismo Fan wrote: »

But that's just making things needlessly more awkward and difficult for yourself.

How is creating a good character needlessly awkward? Del Rio is proof that it works. Plus as you said earlier, if they have too many masked luchadors, there will be diminishing returns.

I'm not sure why you are reacting this way to creating a character for a Mexican. It is no different to somebody from any other country.

Rjd2

Another person trying to take Chris Masters spot.:rolleyes:

JP Liz V1

Del Rio should start his own stable

drayme

Johnny Ace has set up a creche as the next WWE developmental territory. Several tumbling toddlers have already been recruited according to sources.

Mods Ive tried changes the topic title.

Machismo Fan

parker kent wrote: »

How is creating a good character needlessly awkward? Del Rio is proof that it works. Plus as you said earlier, if they have too many masked luchadors, there will be diminishing returns.

I'm not sure why you are reacting this way to creating a character for a Mexican. It is no different to somebody from any other country.

In wrestling something that is different is seen as special and if you make that commonplace your just making things needlessly more awkward for yourself and reducing the amount each individual can get over. After about two the law of diminishing returns kicks in, but you'd excuse them having a third as one is there to eventually replace another.

parker kent

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In wrestling something that is different is seen as special and if you make that commonplace your just making things needlessly more awkward for yourself and reducing the amount each individual can get over. After about two the law of diminishing returns kicks in, but you'd excuse them having a third as one is there to eventually replace another.

Regardless of that, I don't see the problem bringing in an unmasked Mexican. Give him a decent character and book a good feud with Sin Cara. No reason why that cannot be entertaining.

CMpunked

what about the greatest mexican wrestler EVER in wwe?!
He had no mask.

He didnt need one...

Even though he was super..

HE WAS CRAZY!!

HE WAS...


SUPERRR CRAAAZY!!

Diabhal Beag

I was probably the only person in the world hoping for Juventude.

parker kent

CMpunked wrote: »

what about the greatest mexican wrestler EVER in wwe?!
He had no mask.

He didnt need one...

Even though he was super..

HE WAS CRAZY!!

HE WAS...

I loved Super Crazy in ECW.

jaykhunter

Having to hire another wrestler to make you look good is fairly poor going - it makes Mistico look really pathetic! I can't recall it happening before. Just give him a bit of time to get used to the WWE. SmackDown's perfect for him.

waltersobchak

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In wrestling something that is different is seen as special and if you make that commonplace your just making things needlessly more awkward for yourself and reducing the amount each individual can get over. After about two the law of diminishing returns kicks in, but you'd excuse them having a third as one is there to eventually replace another.

In fairness WCW did a fairly incredible job with Mexican talent in the 90's something which every indie promotion in the U.S(including TNA) have tried to replicate, with their versions of WCW's Cruiserweight divison.. So if WCW was able to balance the fine line of overkill in regards to that Mexican talent, im sure WWE can too..

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

In wrestling something that is different is seen as special and if you make that commonplace your just making things needlessly more awkward for yourself and reducing the amount each individual can get over. After about two the law of diminishing returns kicks in, but you'd excuse them having a third as one is there to eventually replace another.

No offence but I really wich you viewed TNA with same harsh standards that you view WWE.

parker kent

waltersobchak wrote: »

In fairness WCW did a fairly incredible job with Mexican talent in the 90's something which every indie promotion in the U.S(including TNA) have tried to replicate, with their versions of WCW's Cruiserweight divison.. So if WCW was able to balance the fine line of overkill in regards to that Mexican talent, im sure WWE can too..

That brings up an interesting point. It really is a shame that Vince thinks so little of a cruiserweight title. WWE have the potential for a fantastic cruiserweight division if they so wished, especially with the recent worldwide recruitment drive. Obviously they don't want one, but it could be great if they brought it back.

Machismo Fan

waltersobchak wrote: »

In fairness WCW did a fairly incredible job with Mexican talent in the 90's something which every indie promotion in the U.S(including TNA) have tried to replicate, with their versions of WCW's Cruiserweight divison.. So if WCW was able to balance the fine line of overkill in regards to that Mexican talent, im sure WWE can too..

Besides having great matches did WCW's Mexican talent do a lick for business bar a small few. They did exactly what I'm saying shouldn't be done and flooded the product with a ton of them and very few of them actually stood out.

flahavaj wrote: »

No offence but I really wich you viewed TNA with same harsh standards that you view WWE.

What harsh standard? I'm just saying it's best not to flood WWE with too many Mexican's because less is more.

parker kent

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Besides having great matches did WCW's Mexican talent do a lick for business bar a small few. They did exactly what I'm saying shouldn't be done and flooded the product with a ton of them and very few of them actually stood out.

The cruiseweights played a fairly important role in the success of WCW in that era.

I honestly don't see your issue with a number of Mexicans being hired. Does the majority of the roster coming from the USA mean that further Americans should not be hired? Of course they should not have an army of Mexicans with basically the same character. But if they give them characters that stand out, there is no problem. Of course they may not all get over but you can say that about any wrestler they hire.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

What harsh standard? I'm just saying it's best not to flood WWE with too many Mexican's because less is more.

Thats a phrase that comes to mind everytime I watch anything TNA has ever produced.;)

I think you give them a bye on a lot more things than you do WWE.

Machismo Fan

parker kent wrote: »

I honestly don't see your issue with a number of Mexicans being hired. Does the majority of the roster coming from the USA mean that further Americans should not be hired? Of course they should not have an army of Mexicans with basically the same character. But if they give them characters that stand out, there is no problem. Of course they may not all get over but you can say that about any wrestler they hire.

Of course not they're a US based company. However Mexican companies should limit the number of Americans in the same way. I still don't see why a company should do something that gets rid of an inherent advantage they can give certain people from the start simply for the sake of diversity. It just dilutes the impact and profitability of each new person.

flahavaj wrote: »

Thats a phrase that comes to mind everytime I watch anything TNA has ever produced.;)

I think you give them a bye on a lot more things than you do WWE.

Because WWE are a somewhat well run company that'd you'd expect decent standards from. If I approached TNA in the same way I'd drive myself to the edge of insanity and I try to avoid that. Don't mistake the fact that I actually enjoy TNA for an inability to see their endless list of flaws, I'm just far gone past the point of getting annoyed about it (though I still don't see how I'm being harsh to WWE here).

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Because WWE are a somewhat well run company that'd you'd expect decent standards from. If I approached TNA in the same way I'd drive myself to the edge of insanity and I try to avoid that. Don't mistake the fact that I actually enjoy TNA for an inability to see their endless list of flaws, I'm just far gone past the point of getting annoyed about it.

Does that make TNA a badly run company that you expect low standards from? And if so, why watch?:pac: