The GPA

moomoocow

What do people think of the GPA? I for one am not sure about them. What they were set up for is good i.e. get players benfits etc the thing i dont like about them is the way they go about getting things i.e. going on strike. Before the GPA did a team ever go on strike? Not that i can remember, since they came along Cork have had 3 strikes, Limerick and Fermanagh not sure if there was more.

Also they say they aim tp help every intercounty team and player. Last year the Kerry hurlers played London in London and had to sort out all there own hotels etc and had there gear brought by boat because the Kerry county board wouldn't pay to have it brought by plane, now where were the GPA hear? Had it been a ''big'' team they would be calling for strikes etc.

Also all the top people in it are from big county's witch means the smallers guys (i.e. a Longford hurler or Kilkenny footballer) will have no say

dartbhoy

While I'm still undecided on the GPA they were not responsible for teams going on strikes,these teams decided themselves to go on strike,the GPA didn't force them to go on strike!

rebel girl 15

First of all, the GPA have had nothing to do with the strikes. In fairness, they went and tried to mediate with the Fermanagh strike.

How many of the Kerry hurling panel were GPA members? That issue you mentioned is between the CB and the panel - the GPA don't jump in until they are asked, and even less so since they are now under the wing of the GAA. This is the first I've heard of it, and if it was such a big deal as you make it out to be, then why didn't we hear about it?

I've heard a lot of good stories about the GPA, about the education programmes they are running and trying to help players that are out of work.

"Also all the top people in it are from big county's witch means the smallers guys (i.e. a Longford hurler or Kilkenny footballer) will have no say"

IMO, thats absolute bs, all intercounty members get a say

TBH, this thread has the feeling of a witchhunt or just being a WUM about it with the tone of the OP

Chnandler Bong

They use the top players i.e Gooch, Brogan, JD, Shefflin, for promoting the GPA, what would be the point of having a Cavan hurler that nobody recognises doing interviews for them.

Every inter-county hurler and footballer, have the choice to become a member of the GPA, they all get an equal vote.

moomoocow

Chnandler Bong wrote: »

They use the top players i.e Gooch, Brogan, JD, Shefflin, for promoting the GPA, what would be the point of having a Cavan hurler that nobody recognises doing interviews for them.

Every inter-county hurler and footballer, have the choice to become a member of the GPA, they all get an equal vote.

For a start the Gooch or Shefflin are not part of it (thats why more ofter then not you dont see Gooch winning one of there All Stars)

Yes they have a choise to join but they over look the guys who dont join them.

They make out that intercounty players get noting for playing witch is very untrue, they get free gear, milage to training, a job, even a car what more do they want?

moomoocow

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

First of all, the GPA have had nothing to do with the strikes. In fairness, they went and tried to mediate with the Fermanagh strike.

How many of the Kerry hurling panel were GPA members? That issue you mentioned is between the CB and the panel - the GPA don't jump in until they are asked, and even less so since they are now under the wing of the GAA. This is the first I've heard of it, and if it was such a big deal as you make it out to be, then why didn't we hear about it?

I've heard a lot of good stories about the GPA, about the education programmes they are running and trying to help players that are out of work.

IMO, thats absolute bs, all intercounty members get a say

TBH, this thread has the feeling of a witchhunt or just being a WUM about it with the tone of the OP

What im saying if the GPA are looking out for intercounty players they shouldn't need to be asked. There was very little about it because it was the Kerry hurlers and i think the GPA should be highlighting it in the meida etc. If it had been the Cork hurlers for example you can be sure they wouldn't need to be asked

moomoocow

"First of all, the GPA have had nothing to do with the strikes."

That is bulls£$% anyway like i said before the GPA there was no srtikes or player power in the GAA and now as soon as a team start to go bad they go on strike to try and get rid of the manager.

rebel girl 15

moomoocow wrote: »

For a start the Gooch or Shefflin are not part of it (thats why more ofter then not you dont see Gooch winning one of there All Stars)

Yes they have a choise to join but they over look the guys who dont join them.

They make out that intercounty players get noting for playing witch is very untrue, they get free gear, milage to training, a job, even a car what more do they want?

Yeah, this post proves I'm right - it is a witchhunt and you are posting like a WUM! I don't know what sort of things you have been hearing.

Get the auld facts straight first - Shefflin and Cooper are both part of it. Cooper was on the GPA panel in 07 and 08. As for Shefflin - I'm sure he got player of the year twice as well as being on the panel on numerous occasions. As for this poor Cooper routine, cop on! Cooper and Shefflin f**ked off and got plenty of money from another drinks company rather than the company that the GPA had sponsorship from, despite getting their awards - where is the loyalty there? I know at least two other intercounty stars that turned down the same deal because of the loyalty to the GPA.

Your second point about intercounty players getting nothing - yes, they get gear, afaik no they don't get milage, they may or may not get a job because of the fact they are county players, but they most certainly don't get a car for being a county player in general. You have no idea the commitment that these lads put in from the way you are posting, they have to be in a flexible job that will allow them to have time off for training, maybe having to leave early to get to training, its not all rosy like you see it.

moomoocow wrote: »

What im saying if the GPA are looking out for intercounty players they shouldn't need to be asked. There was very little about it because it was the Kerry hurlers and i think the GPA should be highlighting it in the meida etc. If it had been the Cork hurlers for example you can be sure they wouldn't need to be asked

their mandate is union like - but how the hell do you expect them to come in and highlight it when they or anybody else don't know about it?? The GPA are like a work union, they can only come in if it is highlighted by the players themselves first! If it were the Cork hurlers, they would have highlighted it in the media themselves - and to prove that, in 2002, Cusack went on the radio to reveal the rot that had set in in Cork hurling - so if the Kerry counterparts could take a step like that, then the GPA can jump in afterwards, but what do you expect them to do when they don't know about it? Did a Kerry hurler approach the GPA about it??

moomoocow wrote: »

"First of all, the GPA have had nothing to do with the strikes."

That is bulls£$% anyway like i said before the GPA there was no srtikes or player power in the GAA and now as soon as a team start to go bad they go on strike to try and get rid of the manager.

typical rose tinted glasses! I know full well you are only talking about the Cork ones, so since you are obviously from Kerry, I'll set the facts straight for you. First of all the GPA didn't influence any strike in Cork, not one, and that is a fact. The first strike was because of the situation in Cork hurling at the time, lads heading down to the Pairc the year before, no Garda escort or bus turned up, and they had to go down in their cars through the packed streets around PUiC and try and make their way in. They had to get changed in the gym, which had no toliet facilities - if they wanted to go, they had to go into the main tunnel and get through the crowds. That was only one example in a whole catalog.

the second strike -Cork footballers were not happy with the fact that it was voted that the manager could not pick his selectors, Billy Morgab resigned, and the Cork hurlers rowed in behind them. IIRC the GPA stood behind the players on their decision - which they were right to do

the third strike was because of Gerald McCarthy - these players are trying to win an AI title, and you have a shocking trainer, they stuck it out for his two year reign, then told the players that he would not be looking to continue, so the players were delighted at that stage. But McCarthy turned around and accepted a further term without the process written into the arbitration of the previous strike being followed by the CB.

Those three strikes, the GPA came out behind the players in one about two months into it, they did not cause them. I know for a fact that Dessie Farrell went up to try and mediate in the one in Fermanagh.

Have you ever thought that the reason why a team may have gone bad was because of the manager??

moomoocow

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Yeah, this post proves I'm right - it is a witchhunt and you are posting like a WUM! I don't know what sort of things you have been hearing.

Get the auld facts straight first - Shefflin and Cooper are both part of it. Cooper was on the GPA panel in 07 and 08. As for Shefflin - I'm sure he got player of the year twice as well as being on the panel on numerous occasions. As for this poor Cooper routine, cop on! Cooper and Shefflin f**ked off and got plenty of money from another drinks company rather than the company that the GPA had sponsorship from, despite getting their awards - where is the loyalty there? I know at least two other intercounty stars that turned down the same deal because of the loyalty to the GPA.

Your second point about intercounty players getting nothing - yes, they get gear, afaik no they don't get milage, they may or may not get a job because of the fact they are county players, but they most certainly don't get a car for being a county player in general. You have no idea the commitment that these lads put in from the way you are posting, they have to be in a flexible job that will allow them to have time off for training, maybe having to leave early to get to training, its not all rosy like you see it.



their mandate is union like - but how the hell do you expect them to come in and highlight it when they or anybody else don't know about it?? The GPA are like a work union, they can only come in if it is highlighted by the players themselves first! If it were the Cork hurlers, they would have highlighted it in the media themselves - and to prove that, in 2002, Cusack went on the radio to reveal the rot that had set in in Cork hurling - so if the Kerry counterparts could take a step like that, then the GPA can jump in afterwards, but what do you expect them to do when they don't know about it? Did a Kerry hurler approach the GPA about it??



typical rose tinted glasses! I know full well you are only talking about the Cork ones, so since you are obviously from Kerry, I'll set the facts straight for you. First of all the GPA didn't influence any strike in Cork, not one, and that is a fact. The first strike was because of the situation in Cork hurling at the time, lads heading down to the Pairc the year before, no Garda escort or bus turned up, and they had to go down in their cars through the packed streets around PUiC and try and make their way in. They had to get changed in the gym, which had no toliet facilities - if they wanted to go, they had to go into the main tunnel and get through the crowds. That was only one example in a whole catalog.

the second strike -Cork footballers were not happy with the fact that it was voted that the manager could not pick his selectors, Billy Morgab resigned, and the Cork hurlers rowed in behind them. IIRC the GPA stood behind the players on their decision - which they were right to do

the third strike was because of Gerald McCarthy - these players are trying to win an AI title, and you have a shocking trainer, they stuck it out for his two year reign, then told the players that he would not be looking to continue, so the players were delighted at that stage. But McCarthy turned around and accepted a further term without the process written into the arbitration of the previous strike being followed by the CB.

Those three strikes, the GPA came out behind the players in one about two months into it, they did not cause them. I know for a fact that Dessie Farrell went up to try and mediate in the one in Fermanagh.

Have you ever thought that the reason why a team may have gone bad was because of the manager??

Ever clearly your part of the GPA.

I know for a fact all of the Se's get a new car every year for free, as do a number of other Kerry players. I also know players get very good milage if they have to travel to training. Like i said the GPA make out intercounty players get noting for playing they get a whole lot more then most people do. The players who are part of the GPA are the players who think there owed something by the GAA because they play intercounty

I know a few memebers of the Kerry hulring panel and they are not members of the GPA for the very reason i told you because they dont give a **** about them. I was a member of the panel myself and asked if any otheres were part of it and was told id be wasting my time and money by joining them. The GPA care about one thing and one thing only money and they dont care now they get it.

After going on strike in 2008 Cork said they would not go on strike again yet the next year they were at it again.

Have you ever taught a team has gone bad because there over the hill or not good enough anyway and the easy way out it to blame the manager?

eigrod

If the Kerry hurlers are having problems with their County Board, why don't they mobilise themselves as a Union, under the GPA umbrella or otherwise, and take on the County Board ?

That's what the Cork players did. They didn't sit on their arses waiting for Dessie Farrell, or anyone else, to do it for them. Dessie Farrell & the GPA then came in to support them, purely because the whole Cork panel were members of the GPA.

Why should GPA members from other counties initiate a dispute with Kerry County Board if the very players in Kerry who are experiencing the problems dont' seem to be arsed to face into battle themselves ?

moomoocow

eigrod wrote: »

If the Kerry hurlers are having problems with their County Board, why don't they mobilise themselves as a Union, under the GPA umbrella or otherwise, and take on the County Board ?

That's what the Cork players did. They didn't sit on their arses waiting for Dessie Farrell, or anyone else, to do it for them. Dessie Farrell & the GPA then came in to support them, purely because the whole Cork panel were members of the GPA.

Why should GPA members from other counties initiate a dispute with Kerry County Board if the very players in Kerry who are experiencing the problems dont' seem to be arsed to face into battle themselves ?

In Kerry the county board wouldn't give a s%£^ if the hurlers said they would go on strike if anything they would incourrage it because they would have more money for football, as i said the players felt there was no point in asking the GPA for help because they wouldn't give it. This was in the news not in a big way but it still was and if the GPA are doing what they say they do then should they not be looking at the news and at least get in contact with the team to see if they wanted help.

My understanding is the GPA was set up to help every intercounty player yet they only seem to help the ones that suit them

rebel girl 15

moomoocow wrote: »

In Kerry the county board wouldn't give a s%£^ if the hurlers said they would go on strike if anything they would incourrage it because they would have more money for football, as i said the players felt there was no point in asking the GPA for help because they wouldn't give it. This was in the news not in a big way but it still was and if the GPA are doing what they say they do then should they not be looking at the news and at least get in contact with the team to see if they wanted help.

My understanding is the GPA was set up to help every intercounty player yet they only seem to help the ones that suit them

Because they can't f**king jump in when the players don't tell them about it! It was set up to help its members when they are in trouble, but now since they are under the wing of the GAA (must have missed that event by your posts), they cannot just jump in when they want to - they have to be asked in! Did the Kerry hurlers approach them about it - no, so the issue is a non-runner!

rebel girl 15

moomoocow wrote: »

Ever clearly your part of the GPA.

I know for a fact all of the Se's get a new car every year for free, as do a number of other Kerry players. I also know players get very good milage if they have to travel to training. Like i said the GPA make out intercounty players get noting for playing they get a whole lot more then most people do. The players who are part of the GPA are the players who think there owed something by the GAA because they play intercounty

I know a few memebers of the Kerry hulring panel and they are not members of the GPA for the very reason i told you because they dont give a **** about them. I was a member of the panel myself and asked if any otheres were part of it and was told id be wasting my time and money by joining them. The GPA care about one thing and one thing only money and they dont care now they get it.

After going on strike in 2008 Cork said they would not go on strike again yet the next year they were at it again.

Have you ever taught a team has gone bad because there over the hill or not good enough anyway and the easy way out it to blame the manager?

Ahm, I'm not a member of the GPA!

I didn't say some don't get a car, obviously the O Se's get a sponsored car, that happens - but I was talking about in general.

Your post tells a lot - you go by second hand stories, not by first hand experience. If you are not in, you cannot win - the GPA protects it members, its not like it a fortune to join to be fair! The GPA doesn't make out that intercounty players get nothing, they make sure that players do get something, even the most low down counties - for example Longford hurlers now don't have to go fundraising themselves to buy a bit of gear, and have tried to help counties. I know a number of GPA members who have gone out of their way to do coaching sessions in a number of weak counties - Diarmuid O Sullivan, Donal Og and Sean Og have gone to the other side of the country doing coaching sessions, and hardly take the expenses that they are given. Like f**k the GAA players that are part of the GPA think there is something owing to them - would ya go way back to the cave you came out of! Look at Donal Og - prominent member of the GPA, Cork hurler, trains his club team, has gone out to Africa a number of times doing charity work, has done work for gay rights, the list goes on. You think the guy thinks the GAA owes him something - not a hope!

I don't know about Shefflin and Cooper, but the attitude from a lot of players is that they owe something to the GAA for allowing them the opportunity to play - and they give back in spades, coaching teams, doing different coaching sessions etc. IMO the GAA owes these lads a lot, because without these guys putting in the effort in training and matches, the GAA wouldn't be getting the revenue they are currently making!

Since you were on the panel, can you tell me was it true that two named selectors a few years ago were two Cork young fellas, that were under 16? The manager was teaching in somewhere in north Cork I think?

moomoocow

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Ahm, I'm not a member of the GPA!

I didn't say some don't get a car, obviously the O Se's get a sponsored car, that happens - but I was talking about in general.

Your post tells a lot - you go by second hand stories, not by first hand experience. If you are not in, you cannot win - the GPA protects it members, its not like it a fortune to join to be fair! The GPA doesn't make out that intercounty players get nothing, they make sure that players do get something, even the most low down counties - for example Longford hurlers now don't have to go fundraising themselves to buy a bit of gear, and have tried to help counties. I know a number of GPA members who have gone out of their way to do coaching sessions in a number of weak counties - Diarmuid O Sullivan, Donal Og and Sean Og have gone to the other side of the country doing coaching sessions, and hardly take the expenses that they are given. Like f**k the GAA players that are part of the GPA think there is something owing to them - would ya go way back to the cave you came out of! Look at Donal Og - prominent member of the GPA, Cork hurler, trains his club team, has gone out to Africa a number of times doing charity work, has done work for gay rights, the list goes on. You think the guy thinks the GAA owes him something - not a hope!

I don't know about Shefflin and Cooper, but the attitude from a lot of players is that they owe something to the GAA for allowing them the opportunity to play - and they give back in spades, coaching teams, doing different coaching sessions etc. IMO the GAA owes these lads a lot, because without these guys putting in the effort in training and matches, the GAA wouldn't be getting the revenue they are currently making!

Since you were on the panel, can you tell me was it true that two named selectors a few years ago were two Cork young fellas, that were under 16? The manager was teaching in somewhere in north Cork I think?

Intercounty players get plenty without the GPA like the Kerry team of the 70's and 80's alot of them have done very well for themself and there was no GPA then was there?

Its not alot of money but its still your money. I can only go by that others who were members say and thats what they said

The main point im trying to make before the GPA there was no sucj thing as player power or blaming managers teams just got on with. Again that the Kerry team when they were past it did they go blaming Micko for it? No they know themselfs they weren't good enough any more and didn't make a fuss.

Im not saying the GPA made teams go on strike but they have given players the idea that if they themselfs are not up to it its the easy way out to blame the manager. Darragh O Se says it in his book players are there to play and managers are there to manage witch is the way it was before the GPA came along and you cant say otherwise

Yes there was something about that when Pat Heffernan was in charge i wasn't there at that time i came in the year after. He taught in Mallow i think

rebel girl 15

moomoocow wrote: »

Intercounty players get plenty without the GPA like the Kerry team of the 70's and 80's alot of them have done very well for themself and there was no GPA then was there?

Its not alot of money but its still your money. I can only go by that others who were members say and thats what they said

The main point im trying to make before the GPA there was no sucj thing as player power or blaming managers teams just got on with. Again that the Kerry team when they were past it did they go blaming Micko for it? No they know themselfs they weren't good enough any more and didn't make a fuss.

Im not saying the GPA made teams go on strike but they have given players the idea that if they themselfs are not up to it its the easy way out to blame the manager. Darragh O Se says it in his book players are there to play and managers are there to manage witch is the way it was before the GPA came along and you cant say otherwise

Yes there was something about that when Pat Heffernan was in charge i wasn't there at that time i came in the year after. He taught in Mallow i think

The GPA didn't give any players the idea to strike - the Cork hurlers showed what could be done by standing up for themselves as players, with no GPA involved. This so called player power came before the GPA, the GPA only really established themselves the following year, mostly when all the Cork lads got on board. It was 2003 when they got the drinks deal etc and people really started taking notice of them.

the methods developed in the last 10/15 years is so much more professional than what was there in the 70s/80s - players are putting much more time into games, and their preparation is more professional than ever. The Kerry footballers and KK hurlers are lucky enough to have a CB that co-operate and follow the rules, Cork did not

You should know since you were on an intercounty panel, the commitment it takes. You have a shocking manager that is taking the panel backwards, the professional developments that they had taken on are out the window, say in Gerald Mc to take it back to a Cork example since you mentioned the last Cork strike. A guy who insisted that everyone including the goalkeepers did overhead pulling drills, that are worthless on a pitch, that came to the first meeting with the players and had to ask the CB when training is. You keep quiet for the two years he is there, and when he says that he won't recommit for another term, you are delighted. Then the CB go outside the agreement in reappointing him without a due process as set out in the agreement after the last strike. Would you not be annoyed? Wasting more time, especially for a team that took on such a professional attitude to training and were treated as such.

The GPA didn't have anything to do with any strike to be fair - players are standing up for themselves because now more than ever, the commitment to be an intercounty player at the highest level greater than ever, and guys are not willing like in the 70s/80s to just keep quiet and think it will be grand! The Cork guys lead the way in 02, and when the appalling way they were being treated was appalling. These intercounty players are not willing to waste their time putting in huge effort when there is something hugely wrong. This player power was on the way when things became more and more professional in their setup. Players need the best to become the best. There are some very poor people in power at CB level that are causing the problems, fingering the GPA for the strikes is not right at all.

I bet if Darragh O Se and the rest of the Kerry lads had the carry on the Cork hurlers had in 2002, they would have been on strike as well. they wouldn't have sat back and said nothing about it, I can assure you of that. that thing he said about the players playing and the managers managing isn't the whole truth at all - for a great team, you need leadership from the players. not just the management. Its way too simplistic to think like that - you need consultation from the players to give them an input into how they feel things are going and what they need. And I can guarantee that it happened in Kerry football!

Yeah, Pat Heffernan ring a bell alright

sendit

A few points id like to make about the GPA. I have a few examples from people about them i wont name names of these people.

First a well know Cork GAA whos been around a fair wile said he felt that GPA played a big part in the strikes in Cork, he said if you look at the main men behind the strikes i.e. Sean Og, Donal Og and John Gardener all 3 were or had been main men in the GPA aswell.

Maybe the GPA didn't force them to go on strike but i think they have given players the idea that if they dont get what they want then you go on strike. The GPA started in 1999 and in the 100 plus years before that intercounty players never taught they should get more for playing, at the end of the day no one forces them to play and they know and have always know you didn't get paid. I recall a few years ago Dara Ó Cinnéide being questioned a number of times as to why he wasn't a member and he said he felt there was no need as he had already got enough out of playing with Kerry and didn't think there was a need. Before the GPA there was very few intercounty players let out of pocket from playing with there county.

Alot of the Kerry and Kilkenny players are not members of the GPA and for that very reason you'll never see them go on strike. When Kerry lost the 2002, 2005 and 2008 finals they didn't go blame the managers and say they would strike they got on with it and won more All Irelands same with Kilkenny when they didn't win in 2004 or 2005 they just got on with it. Again the GPA have given players the idea if there not up to it to just blame the manager, as someone ealse say Darragh Se says managers are there to manage and players to play it, that how it should be it work faily well for 100 or so years before player power came in.

Another person says when Cork first went on strike some of the reasons were because they didn't get garda escorts and had find there own parking and had to change in a gym, most small county's would have do find there own parking and more then likely there own travel to matchs and would have to tog out in alot worse the a gym but they just get on with it and play like there ment to and not complane about things.

Now my other example a cosin of mine who would be a well enough know intercounty players from a team who had little success up on till a few years back, he first came on to the panel when he was 19 or so at the time the team had no success for a wile and he was put under pressure by the GPA themselfs to join so he did and he said he got noting out of it because at the time he was not well know and he had asked for different things but once his team won there province with him as one of the main players after that they couldn't do enough for him. Now another cosin (the others brother) plays with the same county's hurling team and had done for a number of years and joined th GPA in the hope he would get help with different things as he had got now from the county board but when he asked they were very slow to do anything for him, now both intecounty players and they only did something for the so called bigger player.

If they are all for players welfare the surely then could have someone from a ''smaller'' county in s high role with them, they only seem to worry about the bigger players who realy are the ones who need the least amount of help.

I also fell the GPA could do a whole lot more for club players because after all there the Gaelic Players Association there are a lot more Gaelic Players then intercounty ones.

They could also do a lot more in terms of promoting the Christy Ring Cups etc plus the lower Divs in the hurling league.

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

A few points id like to make about the GPA. I have a few examples from people about them i wont name names of these people.

First a well know Cork GAA whos been around a fair wile said he felt that GPA played a big part in the strikes in Cork, he said if you look at the main men behind the strikes i.e. Sean Og, Donal Og and John Gardener all 3 were or had been main men in the GPA aswell.

Maybe the GPA didn't force them to go on strike but i think they have given players the idea that if they dont get what they want then you go on strike. The GPA started in 1999 and in the 100 plus years before that intercounty players never taught they should get more for playing, at the end of the day no one forces them to play and they know and have always know you didn't get paid. I recall a few years ago Dara Ó Cinnéide being questioned a number of times as to why he wasn't a member and he said he felt there was no need as he had already got enough out of playing with Kerry and didn't think there was a need. Before the GPA there was very few intercounty players let out of pocket from playing with there county.

All that about the GPA giving them the idea to strike is crap tbh. The real reason that this seems to be the case is because of how the lid was lifted on the situation in Cork - Donal Og, Dessie Farrell and Pat Spillane were on 96fm to discuss the GPA, but Donal Og let rip about the boards's poor treatment of players. And because Donal Og was one of the main leaders of the strikes, it is assumed that the GPA was the cause, when in fact it was not.

The Cork situation was unique, you would get nothing from the CB, unlike Dara above. Before 2002, gym priviliages that the players had were revoked, Cork travelled by bus to a league game in Derry without a doctor, Niall Mac got a nasty cut in the head, received treatment from the Derry doctor, and the cut still bled all the way home on the bus - he was only treated when his parents took him to hospital. The players winter gear arrived at the same time their summer gear, a Garda escort for the first round of a Munster championship against Limerick the previous year failed to show up, the players didn't even have toliet facilities before that game while trying to warm up. A number of selectors sidled up to players and threatened them that if they joined the GPA that they would never see the inside of PuC again. That list is endless - but that kind of crap doesn't go on in other counties. As you said yourself, Ó Cinnéide came out and said that he got enough out of playing for Kerry, he had the option to join but didn't feel a need, which is fair enough.

Alot of the Kerry and Kilkenny players are not members of the GPA and for that very reason you'll never see them go on strike. When Kerry lost the 2002, 2005 and 2008 finals they didn't go blame the managers and say they would strike they got on with it and won more All Irelands same with Kilkenny when they didn't win in 2004 or 2005 they just got on with it. Again the GPA have given players the idea if there not up to it to just blame the manager, as someone ealse say Darragh Se says managers are there to manage and players to play it, that how it should be it work faily well for 100 or so years before player power came in.

the essential difference between Cork and Kerry/KK are the county boards. The other two county boards would ensure that their senior players are well looked after, and would have constant communication with the players to ensure that they were as well prepared as possible to give them the best possible chance to play at 100% for their county. There are a number of KK members of the GPA, and a past player did partake in a GPA strike. Its not so simple as what Darragh says, if players are unhappy, they can talk to the manager, the manager would consult with his top players as regards how things are going in training etc, and I'm sure there was plenty of mentions of what Jack O Connor did with the players in his book. And the Kerry and KK guys were more than happy to go up and receive their GPA player of the year awards and free car, which in my book is a bit hypocritical.

the difference between Cork and KK is that KK had the backup from the CB, without question. Cork did not. And players had been talking about it for quite a long time, that the back up was not there, from underage all the way up to senior. Do you think that anybody would be willing to take on Frank for player welfare?? In KK and Kerry, and other counties, the senior squad is always looked after. In Cork, they were not.

Another person says when Cork first went on strike some of the reasons were because they didn't get garda escorts and had find there own parking and had to change in a gym, most small county's would have do find there own parking and more then likely there own travel to matchs and would have to tog out in alot worse the a gym but they just get on with it and play like there ment to and not complane about things.

A Garda escort was supposed to be organised, it wasn't. I'm not sure how well you know the Pairc, but to get down there on match day is very hard. These are intercounty players who were going down for the first round of the Munster championship, not for a puck around. No intercounty player would have the stress of not knowing if they will get to the game on time, the management would have ensured that they are there on time, without stress, be it big county or small. As I said before, the back up had not been there for a long time, and the players had a long list of grievances. Guaranteeing that there was a doctor at every game was one thing, which is basic tbh.

The strike came about because of the CB refusing to budge on any of the issues that the players came up with - then the players decided to strike, which came as a huge surprise to the CB because the CB always thought that they would break. Eventually the CB agreed to most of their requirements, and a proper liason committee between the players and CB was put in place. No doubt, other counties took note of what had happened with Cork and the systems put in place, and put some of these systems in place. The players were treated professionally, and they in turn had to act like professionals themselves, which they did. Without a doubt, there was communication between the relevant boards and players long before the Cork issue came up

The second time the players went on strike was over the issue of selectors for the football panel. It is well known in Cork that the vote was not the feeling of the clubs nor was it properly debated, that club delegates did not go and vote as their club had mandated them. the players themselves had no idea about the vote, the guys who this issue was going to affect!! The biggest issue was that Holland was shoehorned into the job, and his selectors picked for him after Billy Morgan had quit because he was not allowed to choose his own selectors. I can't see any county where a rule like that would be changed off the cuff and for no real reason other than to get power back to the CB. Surely a manager is the best person to choose his selectors because he knows what they will do, and gets on well with him - it happens in every county. It was basically a way of ensuring that Billy Morgan quit as manager, and Morgan came out and said that himself. It was a huge step backwards after the previous strike as one of the agreements was to allow managers to choose their own selectors.

Teddy Holland was used as a pawn by the county board, and refused to resign. The GPA backed the players. Even after arbitration, Holland refused to resign, so it ended up that the CB had to fire him, because an outcome of the arbitration stated that he had to step down

the last strike came about because of Gerald McCarthy -hurling had moved on hugely from the time he was last involved in intercounty coaching. Game plans and tactics had become norms. His coaching was diabolical, and thats coming from Cork players, but they kept their mouths shut because of the previous arbitration. It was like a professional team of soccer players going playing division 3 soccer. Training was not good enough at all, overhead pulling being a common drill, now nobody wants to pull overhead because it is once again 50/50 ball. The players asking him for a gameplan, not getting one, and end up devising one themselves (where was the managing there Darragh). These players were used to playing a short game gameplan, which brought them success, and Gerald came in with nothing. The players kept quiet, and after the defeat to Waterford (I think) in the AI series, Gerald said to the players he was stepping down. The CB then went completely against the spirit of the arbitration and the players wishes, which you can see by reading the middle section of http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/gaa/2009/0126/1224240000387.html

Now my other example a cosin of mine who would be a well enough know intercounty players from a team who had little success up on till a few years back, he first came on to the panel when he was 19 or so at the time the team had no success for a wile and he was put under pressure by the GPA themselfs to join so he did and he said he got noting out of it because at the time he was not well know and he had asked for different things but once his team won there province with him as one of the main players after that they couldn't do enough for him. Now another cosin (the others brother) plays with the same county's hurling team and had done for a number of years and joined th GPA in the hope he would get help with different things as he had got now from the county board but when he asked they were very slow to do anything for him, now both intecounty players and they only did something for the so called bigger player.

So one player got something and the other didn't despite playing on the same team?? What sort of things did he want help with?

If they are all for players welfare the surely then could have someone from a ''smaller'' county in s high role with them, they only seem to worry about the bigger players who realy are the ones who need the least amount of help.

I also fell the GPA could do a whole lot more for club players because after all there the Gaelic Players Association there are a lot more Gaelic Players then intercounty ones.

They could also do a lot more in terms of promoting the Christy Ring Cups etc plus the lower Divs in the hurling league.

Since the GPA went in under the GAA wing, it has been more for intercounty players than for club players, which is reflected in their membership. the GAA was curtailed things with the GPA

The promotion of the games is not a GPA issue, thats an issue for the GAA games promotion unit, and the individual CB's. I can see it in Cork - Cork v Tipp yesterday and there was shocking promotion, there was more said about the Magners League final than the hurling in the days leading up to the game.

sendit

''So one player got something and the other didn't despite playing on the same team?? What sort of things did he want help with?''

To tell you the truth iv no idea, he just said he had asked them for something but got noting wasn't my business to ask what it was

wow sierra

Firstly I will admit to not knowing a lot of detail on the workings of the GPA. That is despite being quite well informed and involved in the GAA as a whole.

My gut feeling is that an injured county player from Roscommon, where I am from, who is suffering financially, would get very little from the GPA. And I am talking about a footballer - not even a hurler. I feel they represent the interests of the elite players from the elite counties rather than the people who need assistance. For instance I don't see why a footballer who has won an All Ireland medal and an All Star award needs further recognition at another award ceremony.

The county players represented by the GPA are just a tiny part of the GAA. They might be the image seen by outsiders but we insiders see what it took to get them there. The people who cut the grass in the clubs, who trained the under 10 teams, who negotiated a cheap deal with the man driving the bus to the Féile. Of course it takes a huge commitment to play county football but there are huge numbers of people who give most of their free time to GAA without the glory.

LIke I say I don't claim to know much about them - maybe all the above is bollix. But bottom line - I will buy a lottery ticket for any GAA or Soccer club in the country if I see one for sale as well as annual draws etc, I go to club and county games at all levels in all weathers and never whinge about ticket prices. I am not currently active in a club but I have been in the past. But I never have and never will contribute to the GPA.

The Rooster

The GPA would never have come into existence if county boards had treated players properly.

The reason why many Kilkenny and Kerry players have no real interest in the GPA, is because they are so well looked after by their own county boards. The two KCBs treat players as the most important part of the organisation. Other county boards think the administrators are the most important people and players are a necessary nuisance.

Mileage expenses and insurance cover for intercounty players have increased hugley due to GPA lobbying.

The GPA treat all intercounty players equally, no matter what county they play for. The GPA got the grants for all levels. The Irish Sports Council pressed and pressed for them to only give grants to teams who made the quarter-finals only (because they are supposed to be for elite athletles), but the GPA stood firm and persuaded them that they had to go to all levels.

The GPA does not get involved in individual county disputes, unless called in by their members or by the county board.

Of course most awards given by GPA go to the high profile players, as is the case with most awards in any sport. This is all about marketing.

High profile players get most of the advertising/promotional work that comes along (naturally). The GPA arrange a lot of such work. But the players must give back a proportion of the money earned from such work to a central pool for the benefit of all players. The Club Energise adverts are a good example of this. The Gooch left the GPA so he could do Lucozade ads and pocket all the money for himself. As he's every right to do.

The GPA caused a significant sea-change in the attitude of most county boards, so much so that it was getting to the stage where I was wondering where they really needed any more. So the timing of it being encompassed now within the GAA is probably perfect, and hopefully they can work well in harmony going forward.

sendit

With all there strikes what have Cork actually got out of it? Not a thing, had they spent more time getting on with things and less time pissing and moning they might have actually won something

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

With all there strikes what have Cork actually got out of it? Not a thing, had they spent more time getting on with things and less time pissing and moning they might have actually won something

Are you joking??? :eek:

After the first strike, Cork hurlers and footballers got a much more professional set up, which laid the foundations for two AI titles in hurling and the one in football in the 00-10 years.

TBH, it sounds like a WUM post, or else the poster is from KK

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Are you joking??? :eek:

After the first strike, Cork hurlers and footballers got a much more professional set up, which laid the foundations for two AI titles in hurling and the one in football in the 00-10 years.

TBH, it sounds like a WUM post, or else the poster is from KK

What have they done since the last two? The hurlers i mean as they made the biggest fuss

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

What have they done since the last two? The hurlers i mean as they made the biggest fuss

Not much since the last two, but you can't blame the current crop - the CCB think good young players grow in mushroom patches

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Not much since the last two, but you can't blame the current crop - the CCB think good young players grow in mushroom patches

The county board aren't the ones playing are they? The facts speek for them selfs really they go on strike in 2008 get hammered by Kilkenny in the All Ireland semi final the blame is put on Gerald McCarthy and he's forced out they get Denis Walsh there well beat by Galway in the Qualifiers there reason for this Walsh didn't have enough time with the team, last year he gets a full year with the team and Galway again beat them well in the League final and are hammered again by Kilkenny so now Walsh is to blame. At no point do the players take any of the blame for it but balme everyone ealse

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

The county board aren't the ones playing are they? The facts speek for them selfs really they go on strike in 2008 get hammered by Kilkenny in the All Ireland semi final the blame is put on Gerald McCarthy and he's forced out they get Denis Walsh there well beat by Galway in the Qualifiers there reason for this Walsh didn't have enough time with the team, last year he gets a full year with the team and Galway again beat them well in the League final and are hammered again by Kilkenny so now Walsh is to blame. At no point do the players take any of the blame for it but balme everyone ealse

the CB are the ones supposed to be developing young players.

McCarthy - outdated training methods, no real game plan, poor attitude to the players, a CB manger put in to put the reigns on the players - as in the Donal Og incident. The main point was the training though - the players felt they were wasting their time, but kept quiet. Gerald told the players that he was finished, but the CB forced him back in, without the due consultation process as set down by the arbitration of the previous strike.

Walsh - the players have taken the blame, but mistakes on the sideline left us down v Tipp - Naughton coming on for all of 60 seconds, dropping Sean Og was a huge call, thats not got anything to do with the players

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

the CB are the ones supposed to be developing young players.

McCarthy - outdated training methods, no real game plan, poor attitude to the players, a CB manger put in to put the reigns on the players - as in the Donal Og incident. The main point was the training though - the players felt they were wasting their time, but kept quiet. Gerald told the players that he was finished, but the CB forced him back in, without the due consultation process as set down by the arbitration of the previous strike.

Walsh - the players have taken the blame, but mistakes on the sideline left us down v Tipp - Naughton coming on for all of 60 seconds, dropping Sean Og was a huge call, thats not got anything to do with the players

Same old story the lads on the sideline let us down at any point do you think maybe the players themself just aren't good enough to win anymore? You say Gerald Mac had a poor attitude to the player maybe they had a poor attitude to him. No other team over the last 5 years have complaned as much as Cork over managers etc Take Kerry in 2008 if you ask me Pat O Shea cost Kerry that All Ireland with the calls me made and im sure a lot of other taught the same but did anyone balme him or force him out? No he just left on his own terms

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

Same old story the lads on the sideline let us down at any point do you think maybe the players themself just aren't good enough to win anymore? You say Gerald Mac had a poor attitude to the player maybe they had a poor attitude to him. No other team over the last 5 years have complaned as much as Cork over managers etc Take Kerry in 2008 if you ask me Pat O Shea cost Kerry that All Ireland with the calls me made and im sure a lot of other taught the same but did anyone balme him or force him out? No he just left on his own terms

See tis all rosy over in Kerry sure - ye wouldn't understand the problems with managers at all tbh. Get this straight, the players did not force Gerald Mc out. He had told the players that he was leaving after the Waterford game iirc - the players had kept quiet for two years about the shocking training sessions, and did not say anything in the immediate aftermath of him leaving. It was the CB that did not follow due process as set down in the arbitration and knew the players did not want him back, they had set out in the initial meeting after Geralds resignation. The CB left Gerald and the players in a pit to fight it out - which was disgraceful behaviour.

Anyone who watched the game v Tipp could see that Naughton should have been on with 20 mins to go when the space was opening up. Walsh has them well prepared - the players have been more than complimentary about Walsh so I don't know where you are getting that from - its the fans that are discussing Walsh.

TBH I think you are using the GPA thread to have a pop at the Cork hurlers and acting like a WUM - all the info on the Cork strikes is on the web, google would be a great help to you before you go having a pop at the players again.

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

See tis all rosy over in Kerry sure - ye wouldn't understand the problems with managers at all tbh. Get this straight, the players did not force Gerald Mc out. He had told the players that he was leaving after the Waterford game iirc - the players had kept quiet for two years about the shocking training sessions, and did not say anything in the immediate aftermath of him leaving. It was the CB that did not follow due process as set down in the arbitration and knew the players did not want him back, they had set out in the initial meeting after Geralds resignation. The CB left Gerald and the players in a pit to fight it out - which was disgraceful behaviour.

Anyone who watched the game v Tipp could see that Naughton should have been on with 20 mins to go when the space was opening up. Walsh has them well prepared - the players have been more than complimentary about Walsh so I don't know where you are getting that from - its the fans that are discussing Walsh.

TBH I think you are using the GPA thread to have a pop at the Cork hurlers and acting like a WUM - all the info on the Cork strikes is on the web, google would be a great help to you before you go having a pop at the players again.

The only problems with managers are the ones the players make. You say the players didn't force Gerald Mc out si why did they go on strike and not play till he was gone? Seems like forceing him out to me.

Its all the County Boards falt so is it? Funny ye dont have anything bad to say when there getting red cards over turned....

Cork are not the only county that get treated bad by there county board as much as they might think they are. The second strike (the 2008 one) had noting to do with the hurlers what so ever that was the footballers so they had no business joining in that, then a year later after saying they wouldn't go on strike again what do they do strike again because they dont get there way.

Is you ask me the likes of Sean Og and Doanl Og seem to think there bigger then the county and think because they have a won All Irleands they should get there way.

All Irelands that they were lucky to win met Kilkenny on an off day in 04 and luckly to to play them in 05 then when they play them in 06 they couldn't live with them.

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

The only problems with managers are the ones the players make. You say the players didn't force Gerald Mc out si why did they go on strike and not play till he was gone? Seems like forceing him out to me. Gerald was gone!! He told the players he was gone yet turned around and said yes when the CB asked him - and you make that out like it was the players fault

Its all the County Boards falt so is it? Funny ye dont have anything bad to say when there getting red cards over turned....

Cork are not the only county that get treated bad by there county board as much as they might think they are. The second strike (the 2008 one) had noting to do with the hurlers what so ever that was the footballers so they had no business joining in that, then a year later after saying they wouldn't go on strike again what do they do strike again because they dont get there way.

Is you ask me the likes of Sean Og and Doanl Og seem to think there bigger then the county and think because they have a won All Irleands they should get there way.

All Irelands that they were lucky to win met Kilkenny on an off day in 04 and luckly to to play them in 05 then when they play them in 06 they couldn't live with them.

You know something - I was right all along, your post stinks of WUM, and just having a pop at Cork, what more should have I expected tbh :rolleyes: Any other posters talking about Cork, posted about their issues with the strikes, not having a childish pop at the players

Oh and check the auld facts before you post as well :rolleyes:

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

The only problems with managers are the ones the players make. You say the players didn't force Gerald Mc out si why did they go on strike and not play till he was gone? Seems like forceing him out to me.

Its all the County Boards falt so is it? Funny ye dont have anything bad to say when there getting red cards over turned....

Cork are not the only county that get treated bad by there county board as much as they might think they are. The second strike (the 2008 one) had noting to do with the hurlers what so ever that was the footballers so they had no business joining in that, then a year later after saying they wouldn't go on strike again what do they do strike again because they dont get there way.

Is you ask me the likes of Sean Og and Doanl Og seem to think there bigger then the county and think because they have a won All Irleands they should get there way.

All Irelands that they were lucky to win met Kilkenny on an off day in 04 and luckly to to play them in 05 then when they play them in 06 they couldn't live with them.

Having read through your last few posts - in particular the one above - you obviously haven't a clue what's going on fella......be a good lad and jog on!

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

You know something - I was right all along, your post stinks of WUM, and just having a pop at Cork, what more should have I expected tbh :rolleyes:

Oh and check the auld facts before you post as well :rolleyes:

So what? Why could they not just get on with it insteed of pissing and moning when ever they get beat. There the ones playing not the manager and desided if there as good as they seem to think they are it should make no difference who was managing them.

Its been said before all there doing is looking for a way to cover up the fact that there past it and blame eveyone and anyone ealse about it.

The question has been asked aswell and no one has answered it why was there no ''player power'' before the GPA? Why do intercounty players think they dont get enough for playing with there county? Take Cork for example how much has Sean Og, Donal Og all of them got from playing with Cork? They've got jobs aheard of people who are more qualified then them, they get hunards if not thousends of euro worth of free gear on top of sponsership, adverticing etc yet they still want more and clame to be hard done by and that the GAA owe them.

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

So what? Why could they not just get on with it insteed of pissing and moning when ever they get beat. There the ones playing not the manager and desided if there as good as they seem to think they are it should make no difference who was managing them.

The manager makes no difference? Sweetest divine almighty you really are lost in the fog....

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

So what? Why could they not just get on with it insteed of pissing and moning when ever they get beat. There the ones playing not the manager and desided if there as good as they seem to think they are it should make no difference who was managing them.

Its been said before all there doing is looking for a way to cover up the fact that there past it and blame eveyone and anyone ealse about it.

The question has been asked aswell and no one has answered it why was there no ''player power'' before the GPA? Why do intercounty players think they dont get enough for playing with there county? Take Cork for example how much has Sean Og, Donal Og all of them got from playing with Cork? They've got jobs aheard of people who are more qualified then them, they get hunards if not thousends of euro worth of free gear on top of sponsership, adverticing etc yet they still want more and clame to be hard done by and that the GAA owe them.

Examples of both please or stop being a WUM - and I don't just want you saying x, y and z because its obvious you don't have a clue about the situation in Cork.

You are slating amateur players, getting personal like that is wrong, putting those lads name out there like that, while you can stay anonymous behind your computer screen. Bet you wouldn't say it to their faces

edit: reread the post - it makes no difference who the manager is?? Yeah, pretty lost there alright :rolleyes:

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Examples of both please or stop being a WUM - and I don't just want you saying x, y and z because its obvious you don't have a clue about the situation in Cork.

You are slating amateur players, getting personal like that is wrong, putting those lads name out there like that, while you can stay anonymous behind your computer screen. Bet you wouldn't say it to their faces

edit: reread the post - it makes no difference who the manager is?? Yeah, pretty lost there alright :rolleyes:

Example of a few so called smallers hurling county's.

First the Kerry hurling team get little to no support from the county board yet in the last 3 years they have made at least the semi final of the Christy Ring Cup been in the last 2 finals and won it at the weekend. Last year they also won the the leauge, in fact they only lost one game all year the Christy Ring Cup final by a point. I would go as far as to say they would be just outside the top 15 county's now in hurling and all this with little support or coverage. Also in the last 3 years they've won bacl to back Under 21 B titles and a Minor title more then under age football teams have yet they still get no supposrt.

Wicklow the same get little supposrt yet they've won back to back league titles the last 2 years and been in a Christy Ring semi final and final witch they both lost to Kerry.

Same thing in Westmeath and they've won 3/4 Christy Rings and a few league titles.

Why is it there so called small county's can have success with little backing from there county board and Cork who are ment to be one of the top teams cant just get on with it?

Yes there amateur players,why then do they fell as though they should be treated as professional?

Your the one slating the Cork County Board on this would you say what your saying on this to them face to face?

I would but if i did they might go on strike again....

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

Example of a few so called smallers hurling county's.

First the Kerry hurling team get little to no support from the county board yet in the last 3 years they have made at least the semi final of the Christy Ring Cup been in the last 2 finals and won it at the weekend. Last year they also won the the leauge, in fact they only lost one game all year the Christy Ring Cup final by a point. I would go as far as to say they would be just outside the top 15 county's now in hurling and all this with little support or coverage. Also in the last 3 years they've won bacl to back Under 21 B titles and a Minor title more then under age football teams have yet they still get no supposrt.

Wicklow the same get little supposrt yet they've won back to back league titles the last 2 years and been in a Christy Ring semi final and final witch they both lost to Kerry.

Same thing in Westmeath and they've won 3/4 Christy Rings and a few league titles.

Why is it there so called small county's can have success with little backing from there county board and Cork who are ment to be one of the top teams cant just get on with it?

Yes there amateur players,why then do they fell as though they should be treated as professional?

that has nothing to do with the examples I asked you for :rolleyes:

Example of Cork moaning about thing and an example that the likes of Donal Og and Sean Og think the GAA owe them something - 0, not surprised

You already have a thread about the lack of coverage of Kerry hurling so go off back there instead of derailing a thread with false accusations! Promotion of the games is not under the GPA's mandate

Kerry hurling not getting support from their CB yet succeeding, wow, delighted for them. :rolleyes: Its not a fair comparison - every person in the country can see that Kerry hurling is considered way below Kerry football within the CB. If you took the Kerry footballers and the Cork hurlers and compared the situation with regards the relevant CB, it is a much more relevant comparison, both being the main teams within the county

You know the support in Wicklow and Westmeath about hurling for definite from where???? Links please

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

Your the one slating the Cork County Board on this would you say what your saying on this to them face to face?

I would but if i did they might go on strike again....

Can't remember the CCB going on strike...:rolleyes:

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

Your the one slating the Cork County Board on this would you say what your saying on this to them face to face?

I would but if i did they might go on strike again....

Cmere, I'd be delighted if the CB did go on strike, I'd be one of the first in the queue to be waving goodbye!

I've stated it to people involved in the running of Cork GAA, but you are sitting behind a computer slating good GAA men in Donal Og and Sean Og, who as well as giving us hours of enjoyment in watching them play, have also helped out immensely in coaching in their own clubs and coaching in different parts of Ireland. So for you to come on and say that they think the GAA owe's them something is complete bs, I'm pretty sure in Donal Ogs book he says he owes a lot to GAA

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

that has nothing to do with the examples I asked you for :rolleyes:

Example of Cork moaning about thing and an example that the likes of Donal Og and Sean Og think the GAA owe them something - 0, not surprised

You already have a thread about the lack of coverage of Kerry hurling so go off back there instead of derailing a thread with false accusations! Promotion of the games is not under the GPA's mandate

They may not be examples of what you asked for but there example of the same things Cork went on strike for.

Every time Sean Og runs off to the papers he's moneing about something is he not? Makes out he been the only player to ever be droped off a county team. Its very clear that Sean Og thinks the GAA owes him something and (evey one outside of Cork) knows that you just have to look at his interviews.

You didn't answer my question about why GAA player think they should be treated like professionals?

Yes but they want every intercounty player to be treated right do they not? If the championship of league they play in isn't getting the coverage it should are they not then being treated right?

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Cmere, I'd be delighted if the CB did go on strike, I'd be one of the first in the queue to be waving goodbye!

I've stated it to people involved in the running of Cork GAA, but you are sitting behind a computer slating good GAA men in Donal Og and Sean Og, who as well as giving us hours of enjoyment in watching them play, have also helped out immensely in coaching in their own clubs and coaching in different parts of Ireland. So for you to come on and say that they think the GAA owe's them something is complete bs, I'm pretty sure in Donal Ogs book he says he owes a lot to GAA

Thats the same Sean Og who charges under age teams €1,000 to give out medels, i know for a fact that he does that

sendit

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Can't remember the CCB going on strike...:rolleyes:

I mean telling the players face to face

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

They may not be examples of what you asked for but there example of the same things Cork went on strike for.

Every time Sean Og runs off to the papers he's moneing about something is he not? Makes out he been the only player to ever be droped off a county team. Its very clear that Sean Og thinks the GAA owes him something and (evey one outside of Cork) knows that you just have to look at his interviews.

You didn't answer my question about why GAA player think they should be treated like professionals?

Yes but they want every intercounty player to be treated right do they not? If the championship of league they play in isn't getting the coverage it should are they not then being treated right?

Go back to your Kerry hurling example, and imagine (if you can) that it was the footballers in that situation instead - then you get an idea of the Cork situation

You have no idea of the work that Sean Og gives back to the GAA, yet you have no problem shouting your mouth off saying he thinks the GAA owes them something - an icon of modern hurling, who has given hours of his time to coaching, and being a representative of the GAA, and not for any money. I know of clubs where he has come down and it has been a fight to get him to take expenses let alone a fee.

As regards the professional element - the preparation is very professional nowadays in all counties, with the smallest things taken care off in order to give the players the best possible chance to play at 100% for their county. In reverse, the players are acting more professionally, for example following diet plans, gym plans, training properly, training on their own etc

sendit wrote: »

Thats the same Sean Og who charges under age teams €1,000 to give out medels, i know for a fact that he does that

a fact?? And the proof is???

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

I mean telling the players face to face

Then you should probably say that.
I am finding it hard to follow your train of thought or what your point actually is...... as they say in a certain TV programme...... I'm out!;)

sendit

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Go back to your Kerry hurling example, and imagine (if you can) that it was the footballers in that situation instead - then you get an idea of the Cork situation

You have no idea of the work that Sean Og gives back to the GAA, yet you have no problem shouting your mouth off saying he thinks the GAA owes them something - an icon of modern hurling, who has given hours of his time to coaching, and being a representative of the GAA, and not for any money. I know of clubs where he has come down and it has been a fight to get him to take expenses let alone a fee.



a fact?? And the proof is???

Thats not what iv heard from people in clubs in Cork.

Lets take another example Maurice Fitzgerald one of if not the best footballers to ever play the same was droped of the Kerry team when he still had plenty to offer but did he run off to the papers about it saying if there was new manager he'd some back playing?

sendit

On the subject of looking for proof what proof do you have that Gerald Mac training was outdated? Did you go to watch his trainers? Whos to say the players just made that up?

rebel girl 15

sendit wrote: »

Thats not what iv heard from people in clubs in Cork.

Lets take another example Maurice Fitzgerald one of if not the best footballers to ever play the same was droped of the Kerry team when he still had plenty to offer but did he run off to the papers about it saying if there was new manager he'd some back playing?

TBH, I don't care what you have heard about it when you don't have actual proof - some pretty bad rumours going around about him and charging to present medals etc

Sean Og is a straight up and honest fella, a journalist asked him a question, and he replied honestly, as is his style. Other fellas would have hummed and hawd about the question, but Sean Og is a straight arrow sort of fella, which I respect him for. The fact that the quote came out weeks after he was dropped makes a difference, he didn't go running to the papers, the papers came after him

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Then you should probably say that.
I am finding it hard to follow your train of thought or what your point actually is...... as they say in a certain TV programme...... I'm out!;)

I'm following you out that door, only a certain number of times that you can repeat the same thing without losing patience - too easy for people behind a computer to take a pop at decent fellas

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

On the subject of looking for proof what proof do you have that Gerald Mac training was outdated? Did you go to watch his trainers? Whos to say the players just made that up?

:rolleyes:




must......turn...............off.....................computer.........

sendit

ShamoBuc wrote: »

:rolleyes:




must......turn...............off.....................computer.........

Its a sample question since she was looking fro proff to back up points im just asking the same

rebel girl 15

ShamoBuc wrote: »

:rolleyes:




must......turn...............off.....................computer.........

yeah, really must! I thought you were gone!! :P

Anyway, good friends of mine were at his sessions and also has been outlined by the players on a number of occasions, players haven't given me any reason to doubt their word, and since I also have first hand account of it, I'd believe it. Huge amounts of sessions dedicated to overhead pulling - must be having a laugh!

ShamoBuc

sendit wrote: »

Its a sample question since she was looking fro proff to back up points im just asking the same

FFS... with all due respect... slow the fúck down with your typing or proof read or get a dictionary;)

sendit

Sean Og is a straight up and honest fella, a journalist asked him a question, and he replied honestly, as is his style. Other fellas would have hummed and hawd about the question, but Sean Og is a straight arrow sort of fella, which I respect him for. The fact that the quote came out weeks after he was dropped makes a difference, he didn't go running to the papers, the papers came after him

Ya other fella wouldn't have bothered answering but Sean Og seems to think he has to answer everytime its just funny it always seems to be after something had happened him.