Help end the War on Drugs with Avaaz!

Colibri

http://www.avaaz.org/en/end_the_war_on_drugs/?fpla

We call on you to end the war on drugs and the prohibition regime, and move towards a system based on decriminalisation, regulation, public health and education. This 50 year old policy has failed, fuels violent organised crime, devastates lives and is costing billions. It is time for a humane and effective approach.

The UN will have a meeting about Drug Policy on the 1st of June. Former heads of state and other important figures will come together to discuss the failed war on drugs and its devastating effects worldwide.

Avaaz is hosting a petition to be signed and given to the commission on the 1st, but they need signatures from everyone who opposes this war on drugs! Do the right thing guys - end violence in Mexico and other countries worldwide, boost economies and educate people


Avaaz started a petition to stop the gay death penalty bill in Uganda. 1.6 million signatures were delivered to the Ugandan Parliament. It helped create awareness - the bill died. This shows that petitions can work - strength is in numbers. I think all the recent protests in the East has proved this!

Fukuyama

My plan to end prohibition is based on the teaching of civil disobedience by Martin Luther Kind - although he had more pressing issues in mind.

Three points:

1. Distribute manuals to create homemade drugs such as DMT, 'bananas' etc... This undermines prohibition easily.

2. Encourage the home-cultivation of marijuana

3. The mass dispersal of marijuana seeds in the Irish countryside. Despite what many growers will have you believe - marijuana is quite easy to grow. It IS a weed and can spread quite rapidly. They won't be very potent but if MJ was growing all over the place it'd be hard for the authaurities to suppress it and the law would look more silly than it already is.

4. Proper education on drugs of all sorts - all legal, prescription, decriminalised and illegal.

5. Enjoy

Fukuyama

Petition signed btw.

Spunge

brb, going to the newsagents to get MDMA

Absurdum

oh I'll sign tha-zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

now that i've stopped smoking weed and don't take any other drugs, except for a couple of pints every month or two I've started to support the war on drugs mainly out of the enjoyment I get watching stoners freak out all over the internet but doing absolutely nothing about it. They can have nine hour "discussions" about it, while they are watching the fifth rerun of toy story for the night but you can be damn sure if there was ever a referendum most of them would be too stoned to leave the house and vote.

Colibri

Dean0088 wrote: »

My plan to end prohibition is based on the teaching of civil disobedience by Martin Luther Kind - although he had more pressing issues in mind.

Three points:

1. Distribute manuals to create homemade drugs such as DMT, 'bananas' etc... This undermines prohibition easily.

2. Encourage the home-cultivation of marijuana

3. The mass dispersal of marijuana seeds in the Irish countryside. Despite what many growers will have you believe - marijuana is quite easy to grow. It IS a weed and can spread quite rapidly. They won't be very potent but if MJ was growing all over the place it'd be hard for the authaurities to suppress it and the law would look more silly than it already is.

4. Proper education on drugs of all sorts - all legal, prescription, decriminalised and illegal.

5. Enjoy

Civil disobedience, nice :P Thanks for signing

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Dean0088 wrote: »

1. Distribute manuals to create homemade drugs such as DMT, 'bananas' etc... This undermines prohibition easily.

Bananadine doesn't work. I've tried.

Wossack

Sounds like a detergent...

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Colibri

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

now that i've stopped smoking weed and don't take any other drugs, except for a couple of pints every month or two I've started to support the war on drugs mainly out of the enjoyment I get watching stoners freak out all over the internet but doing absolutely nothing about it. They can have nine hour "discussions" about it, while they are watching the fifth rerun of toy story for the night but you can be damn sure if there was ever a referendum most of them would be too stoned to leave the house and vote.

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard.

This is not about "stoners". It's about human rights. Innocent people are being slaughtered in Mexico all because of gang violence who THRIVE on prohibition. Innocent people are being thrown in prison for a long, long time for the smallest amount of drugs. People are becoming sick from contaminated drugs. People are DYING because they can't get medication that works.

To see it any other way is quite scary.

jonsnow

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

now that i've stopped smoking weed and don't take any other drugs, except for a couple of pints every month or two I've started to support the war on drugs mainly out of the enjoyment I get watching stoners freak out all over the internet but doing absolutely nothing about it. They can have nine hour "discussions" about it, while they are watching the fifth rerun of toy story for the night but you can be damn sure if there was ever a referendum most of them would be too stoned to leave the house and vote.

Simpsons already did it

Fukuyama

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Bananadine doesn't work. I've tried.

It's as powerful as four cigarettes at once. Can give a nice body buzz. By no means 'powerful'.

DMT - which I've never tried but can be whipped up in the kitchen - is supposed to be harmless as it creates the chemical in your brain that makes you dream. It's been described as the most intense dream you'll ever have or could imagine.

Civil disobedience is the way to go. By flouting stupid laws you not only demonstrate how futile they are but also demonstrate the harmless they are.

At one point, being gay was illegal and they decided they'd just disobey the law. Boom. Law changed.

Fukuyama

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Fukuyama

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

now that i've stopped smoking weed and don't take any other drugs, except for a couple of pints every month or two I've started to support the war on drugs mainly out of the enjoyment I get watching stoners freak out all over the internet but doing absolutely nothing about it. They can have nine hour "discussions" about it, while they are watching the fifth rerun of toy story for the night but you can be damn sure if there was ever a referendum most of them would be too stoned to leave the house and vote.

Referendum? Shows how much you know about the Irish legal system.

Also, I love how by stereotyping you've now slotted yourself into my own stereotyped categories specially reserved for ye lot. Congrats, you've made 'Idiot'.

Colibri

Dean0088 wrote: »

It's as powerful as four cigarettes at once. Can give a nice body buzz. By no means 'powerful'.

DMT - which I've never tried but can be whipped up in the kitchen - is supposed to be harmless as it creates the chemical in your brain that makes you dream. It's been described as the most intense dream you'll ever have or could imagine.

Civil disobedience is the way to go. By flouting stupid laws you not only demonstrate how futile they are but also demonstrate the harmless they are.

At one point, being gay was illegal and they decided they'd just disobey the law. Boom. Law changed.

I don't think they decided to be gay:pac:

DMT? It's produced in your brain by the pineal gland. Your brain releases DMT when you're born, when you sleep and when you die. It's the strongest known psychidelic. Never tried it either

thebigbiffo

Done. Lets hope it hits the right numbers and people take notice.

Colibri

thebigbiffo wrote: »

Done. Lets hope it hits the right numbers and people take notice.

Thank you:) Seems like there are more people wising up to this - it's a brilliant thing seeing so many people getting involved!

Fukuyama

Colibri wrote: »

I don't think they decided to be gay:pac:

DMT? It's produced in your brain by the pineal gland. Your brain releases DMT when you're born, when you sleep and when you die. It's the strongest known psychidelic. Never tried it either

My point is though that it's relatively harmless, natural and supposedly fúcking awesome. And can be made in the kitchen - harming nobody. Very similar to growing a few plants and smoking them.

ebixa82

I fcukin hate that phrase "the war on drugs".

There is no war. War involves combat between two sides. This is not happening.

Governments are spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year trying to control the drug trade and achieving nothing.

International stats show that only around 10% of the worlds illicit drug supply is ever intercepted.

Decriminalisation, regulation, education is the only way.

Just look at how unsuccessful prohibition was ffs! And how successful the dutch model is.

Colibri

I agree about the phrasing of "war on drugs". It's just a figure of speech to me now, I can't help it :P

I prefer "war on people" or "war on human rights", because that's essentially what it is.

Dean0088 wrote: »

My point is though that it's relatively harmless, natural and supposedly fúcking awesome. And can be made in the kitchen - harming nobody. Very similar to growing a few plants and smoking them.

Totally agree. We've got something in common :{D

Plumpynutt

signed

danniemcq

Who the hell watches troy when stoned?

Mystery Science Theatre 3000 all the way.

and nat geo

HavingCrack

ebixa82 wrote: »

And how successful the dutch model is.

Why do people always mention the Netherlands? The country with the most progressive drug laws in Europe is Portugal by a long way.

Colibri

HavingCrack wrote: »

Why do people always mention the Netherlands? The country with the most progressive drug laws in Europe is Portugal by a long way.

It's working wonders for them, too!

Mr Benevolent

Portugal eh? What's so special about Portugal's drug policies?

Seachmall

danniemcq wrote: »

Who the hell watches troy when stoned?

Mystery Science Theatre 3000 all the way.

and nat geo

Family Fortune, Jeopardy, or any of those quiz shows. And of course kids TV in the morning, and fashion shows surprisingly enough.

Jesus, TV is so much more interesting when stoned!

Confab wrote: »

Portugal eh? What's so special about Portugal's drug policies?

It has the most liberal soft-drug laws in Europe. Or is that Spain? I think it's Spain.

Colibri

Confab wrote: »

Portugal eh? What's so special about Portugal's drug policies?

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

http://www.treatmentsolutionsnetwork.com/blog/index.php/2011/01/03/portugals-drug-reform-success/

Portugal has seen drug-related court cases drop 66%, the number of drug abusers has remained the same, and the number of people receiving treatment rose 20%. Most importantly, some of the country’s worst neighborhoods, once plagued with drug addicts and crime, have become safe.

Decrimilisation of all drugs. Treatment instead of jail time! While I'd argue for full legalisation, Portugal seems to be doing well.

RichieC

signed.

Chuck Stone

In before right wingers say that decriminalising drugs is 'weak', that drugs are a 'scourge' and 'sinful'.

In before alcohol producers and other vested interests which make money off the illegality of drugs lobby the governments to keep drugs illegal.

In before nothing happens unless people actually practice peaceful mass disobedience.

Seachmall

Chuck Stone wrote: »

In before nothing happens unless people actually practice violent, rape-filled mass disobedience.

FYP.

Fukuyama

ebixa82 wrote: »

I fcukin hate that phrase "the war on drugs".

There is no war. War involves combat between two sides. This is not happening.

Governments are spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year trying to control the drug trade and achieving nothing.

International stats show that only around 10% of the worlds illicit drug supply is ever intercepted.

Decriminalisation, regulation, education is the only way.

Just look at how unsuccessful prohibition was ffs! And how successful the dutch model is.

There is a war on drugs. People are shot and killed in the trade. Even here in Ireland. Do you not watch the news?

Also, go to Afghanistan, Mexico, Columbia and tell me there aren't private armies going up against government forces. It's a war. And it's all the fault of prohibition. Prohibitions kills more people than drugs.

Oh_Noes

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

now that i've stopped smoking weed and don't take any other drugs, except for a couple of pints every month or two I've started to support the war on drugs mainly out of the enjoyment I get watching stoners freak out all over the internet but doing absolutely nothing about it. They can have nine hour "discussions" about it, while they are watching the fifth rerun of toy story for the night but you can be damn sure if there was ever a referendum most of them would be too stoned to leave the house and vote.

What a silly load of stereotyping. If "stoners" weren't doing anything then we wouldn't be seeing all the coverage this issue gets, as well as the pattern of liberalisation that has been happening all over the planet for the last ten years.

All the changes in the states, particularly California, haven't happened because cannabis smokers have been playing Xbox and watching tv. The stale stereotypes you're using have been soundly disproven.

Mark27

DMT cant be made in the kitchen. Its a natural extract from Pharis grass and other plants

Colibri

Mark27 wrote: »

DMT cant be made in the kitchen. Its a natural extract from Pharis grass and other plants

I'd say that's probably what he meant You need to go through a few steps to extract it but it's so easy, it could be done in the kitchen :pac:

Fukuyama

Mark27 wrote: »

DMT cant be made in the kitchen. Its a natural extract from Pharis grass and other plants

Yes it can. Obviously you need some (pretty basic ingredients and easy to get). You don't need a high-tech lab or to possess a degree in pharmaceutical engineering. Your average apartment kitchenette would do just fine.

There are dozens of drugs which can be cooked up relatively easily by anyone who knows how. The guides are online. If you can use google then you can make some pretty serious mind altering substances which are relatively harmless.

On a personal level, DMT wouldn't be for me. I wouldn't rule it out totally but I'd really have to give it some thought and speak to people I trust who've taken it. I hallucinated a few times in my early teens (phase?) when I had the flu and a fever. I remember being terrified to the extent that the only way I can describe the fear is being buried alive in a coffin. That said, DMT it supposed to be epic. But it might not be for me.

My point is that they can make x, y and z illegal. Within a few months x1, y1 and z1 will have been conjured up. Humans have wanted to get high for thousands of years. It's only in the last 100 we've decided to try to stop it. It cant work. And it won't work.

TheZohanS

Not In My Name.

Signed..

jimcoolding

SIGNED

IN MY NAME

Fukuyama

TheZohan wrote: »

Not In My Name.

...isn't that a movement directed at the Real IRA and CIRA to cease hostilities (read: scumbag bombings and murders).

Wrong thread perhaps?

Or indeed if you are against drugs you have failed epically in contributing to the thread.

TheZohanS

Dean0088 wrote: »

...isn't that a movement directed at the Real IRA and CIRA to cease hostilities (read: scumbag bombings and murders).

Wrong thread perhaps?

Or indeed if you are against drugs you have failed epically in contributing to the thread.

Ah no, I just didn't sign my name.

I signed it "Pablo Escobar".

Fukuyama

TheZohan wrote: »

Ah no, I just didn't sign my name.

I signed it "Pablo Escobar".

Why? (if you actually have)

All that does is make a mockery of a very legitimate petition. Also, I'm sure Pablo would have been the last person to sign the petition.

Chuck Stone

Dean0088 wrote: »

There is a war on drugs.

Real wars come to an end. Drugs will always be here - it's a war on people.

TheZohanS

Dean0088 wrote: »

Why? (if you actually have)

All that does is make a mockery of a very legitimate petition. Also, I'm sure Pablo would have been the last person to sign the petition.

Don't worry I signed it properly. I don't do drugs myself but I'd rather see the drugs trade regulated, the quality of drugs improved, and people receive information about drugs than the current situation that we have at the moment where criminals make the profit and you're not guaranteed to get what you paid for. IMHO alcohol is a much nastier drug than say weed or MDMA, I've never seen someone start a fight on either of those two drugs.

Fukuyama

TheZohan wrote: »

Don't worry I signed it properly. I don't do drugs myself but I'd rather see the drugs trade regulated, the quality of drugs improved, and people receive information about drugs than the current situation that we have at the moment where criminals make the profit and you're not guaranteed to get what you paid for. IMHO alcohol is a much nastier drug than say weed or MDMA, I've never seen someone start a fight on either of those two drugs.

Okay... I think I just misunderstood your posts

Hopefully the petition will get noticed. It's a long shot though.

Fukuyama

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Real wars come to an end. Drugs will always be here - it's a war on people.

This kind of misinterpreting of the problem is a major issue in holding back reform.

There is a war on drugs. It's a result of prohibition - not prohibition itself. The War on Drugs can come to and end. Once prohibition does. Much in the same way conventional wars are resolved when the issues that caused the war are resolved.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

I'm expecting FluterrinBantam to come along any minute now, arguing that legalizing cannabis will somehow lead to an increase in his taxes.

Fukuyama

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I'm expecting FluterrinBantam to come along any minute now, arguing that legalizing cannabis will somehow lead to an increase in his taxes.

Shhhh. The last thing we want are his ears burning and him coming to the rescue of 'John Q Taxpayer'!!! :P :rolleyes:

Chuck Stone

Dean0088 wrote: »

This kind of misinterpreting of the problem is a major issue in holding back reform.

There is a war on drugs. It's a result of prohibition - not prohibition itself. The War on Drugs can come to and end. Once prohibition does. Much in the same way conventional wars are resolved when the issues that caused the war are resolved.

I disagree. Calling it a war makes it sound as if there are good guys and bad guys.

Uninfomed people think the 'good guys' are the side which are 'protecting' them i.e. the police, the prosecutors, the prison officers etc.

There is only one question to be asked and answered when it comes to drug taking.

Do people support the initiation of violence? In this case it's the kidnapping and imprisonment of people who choose to take drugs - a victimless 'crime'.

Either you're for violence or you're not. Simple as.

HavingCrack

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Invariably people think the 'good guys' are the side which are 'protecting' them i.e. the police, the prosecutors, the prison officers etc.
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In fairness an awful lot of police officers in the worst affected US cities such as Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago are in favour of decriminalising drugs and making them a public health issue rather than a criminal one. Unfortunately I know very few guards with similar views.

listermint

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I disagree. Calling it a war makes it sound as if there are good guys and bad guys.

Uninfomed people think the 'good guys' are the side which are 'protecting' them i.e. the police, the prosecutors, the prison officers etc.

There is only one question to be asked and answered when it comes to drug taking.

Do people support the initiation of violence? In this case it's the kidnapping and imprisonment of people who choose to take drugs - a victimless 'crime'.
Either you're for violence or you're not. Simple as.

I beg to differ, your purchase is propagating people getting murdered for money to control the drug trade. So currently, no its not a victimless crime.

Chuck Stone

HavingCrack wrote: »

In fairness an awful lot of police officers in the worst affected US cities such as Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago are in favour of decriminalising drugs and making them a public health issue rather than a criminal one. Unfortunately I know very few guards with similar views.

Absolutely. But calling it a 'war on drugs' is not helpful imo. People are either for freedom and non-violence or they are against it.

People who support the so called 'war on drugs' are for violence (kidnap and imprisonment of drug users) and against freedom (the freedom to do what you want with your body and time).

It's really quite simple if given a little thought.