Oxigen want to set up on North Quays

Max Powers

Oxigen want to set up a waste transfer facility on the North Quays. Surely this will not be entertained by the City Council. There are numerous reasons:
- it would be an even greater eyesore
- risk of debris/rubbish/run off liquid entering river
- generally an unsuitable site at this stage, I know it was a heavy industrial site but shouldnt be now
- smell and infestation from rubbish lying around.

Dum_Dum

Max Powers wrote: »

Oxigen want to set up a waste transfer facility on the North Quays. Surely this will not be entertained by the City Council. There are numerous reasons:
- it would be an even greater eyesore
- risk of debris/rubbish/run off liquid entering river
- generally an unsuitable site at this stage, I know it was a heavy industrial site but shouldnt be now
- smell and infestation from rubbish lying around.

Why don't they build an aluminium smelting works in the People's Park while they are at it?

wellbutty

They should lose the council contract for even proposing this. The city needs to be enhanced and the North Quays are a huge part of this. There's enough rubbish there already without adding to it. :mad:

Max Powers

Does anyone know if F-bank residents are objecting. Had a look on City Council web-site there (planning lists) no sign of it. I wouldnt take it for granted that this will be refused.

fricatus

Now Brendan McCann, here's your chance to make a commonsense, non-ideological, non-vexatious appeal to the City Council and ABP!

Bards

fricatus wrote: »

Now Brendan McCann, here's your chance to make a commonsense, non-ideological, non-vexatious appeal to the City Council and ABP!

any bets he (BMC) will not appeal this!!

scico rocks

fricatus wrote: »

Now Brendan McCann, here's your chance to make a commonsense, non-ideological, non-vexatious appeal to the City Council and ABP!

Here's to dreaming...........:rolleyes:

wmpdd3

Can anyone link to the site, I need to object ASAP.

Sully

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Can anyone link to the site, I need to object ASAP.

You cant object online, just in case you thought you could..

kkdela6

I remember reading somewhere, i think the news and star or something, that one of the reasons they are slow to demolish the old buildings near the wharf was because of the huge infestation of rats, any truth to this?

robtri

Max Powers wrote: »

Oxigen want to set up a waste transfer facility on the North Quays. Surely this will not be entertained by the City Council. There are numerous reasons:
- it would be an even greater eyesore
- risk of debris/rubbish/run off liquid entering river
- generally an unsuitable site at this stage, I know it was a heavy industrial site but shouldnt be now
- smell and infestation from rubbish lying around.

have you a link to the planning? any architects drawings? and exactly what works will be carried out?

it could potentially be horrendous...

thomasm

kkdela6 wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere, i think the news and star or something, that one of the reasons they are slow to demolish the old buildings near the wharf was because of the huge infestation of rats, any truth to this?

I heard recently that the reason for the delay was a possible preservation order as the buildings were one of the first to be constructed in a certain manner, something to do with the concrete.

Constructed to look rotten if you ask me

fricatus

robtri wrote: »

have you a link to the planning? any architects drawings? and exactly what works will be carried out?

it could potentially be horrendous...

+1, I'd like to see what's planned, although anything industrial on that site would be a horrendous idea IMO. I have enough of a difficulty with that horrible Guinness brewery (not a bad building, but just totally in the wrong place).

Also, even if they're just going to clean up some existing buildings and use them for a few years, would this not impact on the eventual plans to redevelop the North Quays?

mike65

Nothing on the waterfordcity.ie planning lists.

danjo-xx

anyone of us with accounts should email them and let them know we won't be renewing them if this goes ahead.:mad:

Sully

danjo-xx wrote: »

anyone of us with accounts should email them and let them know we won't be renewing them if this goes ahead.:mad:

More effective if ye object tbh.

Psychedelic

kkdela6 wrote: »

I remember reading somewhere, i think the news and star or something, that one of the reasons they are slow to demolish the old buildings near the wharf was because of the huge infestation of rats, any truth to this?

I doubt it. Problems like that can be solved. I doubt it has anything to do with protected structures either.

I think it's more a case of the people who own the land on the North Wharf don't want to invest money to demolish the buildings unless they can make a profit by either selling on the land or getting some big development made there that they could make their money on.

Unfortunately it seems like the land owners, City Council and Port of Waterford Company are in a sort of stalemate situation and are not working to agree a solution.

Last year I asked the Mayor about the North Quay buildings on her blog and this was her relpy:

Ah if only it were that simple! No the Council has NO ownership interest, it is the Port and private companies. Secondly, there is NO legislation that allows us to just go in a knock private buildings. (Would that we could!) In fact even the derelict sites legislation actually doesn't allow you to achieve much. And have you not followed the SAGA that they have gone through over the last 10 years at least to try and get this site developped? Any progress at this stage will have to be negotiated and agreed by the owners. So if they play ball something could happen as a stop gap until the market may (or may not) recover. If they don't want to then it stays.

I don't really understand that response to be honest. The issue of getting those buildings knocked should be high up the Council's agenda but it's like they are just accepting the situation.

old gregg

re the North Wharf buildings, I remember hearing somewhere that the roofs on some those buildings are asbestos which means they are safe as long as they are not touched. The moment they are disturbed then it becomes an asbestos hazard due to airborne dust. I've no way of verifying the accuracy of this though.

dayshah

old gregg wrote: »

re the North Wharf buildings, I remember hearing somewhere that the roofs on some those buildings are asbestos which means they are safe as long as they are not touched. The moment they are disturbed then it becomes an asbestos hazard due to airborne dust. I've no way of verifying the accuracy of this though.

Well asbestos is dangerous anyway, but seeing as no-one is in the buildings there is no-one in danger. But I imagine demolition would cause problems.

Best bet is next January everyone heads off for 3 weeks, and leave a time bomb for demolition.

robtri

danjo-xx wrote: »

anyone of us with accounts should email them and let them know we won't be renewing them if this goes ahead.:mad:

without knowing the scope of the works or what will be carried out on site, i think that is a bit rash

Typhoon.

there's some horrible looking buildings over there no point in replacing crap with crap

jimmyw

What a stupid idea to have a proposed site like this at that location.The risk (even deliberate:p) contamination of the river, if its not already contaminated not to mention the smell and vermin so close to the city.For Waterfords sake I hope its not granted PP.

wellboytoo

Is this planned for the North Wharf or the frank Cassin (Bell Lines)?
IMO this is one of the least likely to fly pp's I have seen in a long while, so bad that I smell a Machiavellian plot! would not be surprised to see another site being proposed in a short space of time, in a less public spot, but with more objectors, being told "its better than the Quays".
But maybe I'm just bitter and twisted.

wellboytoo

Also when there are massive buildings lying idle all over the city and county lying idle that a transfer station could be put inside in and solve 95% of the potential problems of odour leechate etc, at stupidly small rents, ie €1.00 per square foot per annum. (I kid you not).
It just seems amateur and almost juvenile, the City Council cannot wash their hands of this either as they awarded the contract to Oxigen and would surely in due diligence have asked where they were going to site their transfer station!

Psychedelic

You might be on to something there wellboytoo, the proposal is so stupid and has already got a big negative reaction I don't know how they thought this had any hope of getting planning permission.

danjo-xx

Sully wrote: »

More effective if ye object tbh.

or both, an email is direct and personal and if they got a flood of em....well!


Is it only because they got the council contract that they want this?

Sully

I see the Socialists are flooding town with stupid posters about this, making it a political campaign. Rather amusing they litter the town objecting about a bin company wanting to sort litter on the quays. Contradiction right there lads.

Anyway, its probably something the larger parties need to get in on (or youth groups) as they will probably be heard more. Get the word out, not a bad idea I guess. But I think a lot of people will moan, and wont or don't know how to object.

Someone like wellboy needs to setup such a campaign, like they did out in Tramore for the golf and hotel resort where a letter was drafted and explained how to object etc.

giles lynchwood

Psychedelic wrote: »

You might be on to something there wellboytoo, the proposal is so stupid and has already got a big negative reaction I don't know how they thought this had any hope of getting planning permission.

I can see it now,rubbish trucks from as far away as wexford, killkenny,and dungarvan,dumping here and dirty big barge´s being loaded with rubbish and towed down river to where ever.:eek:

Psychedelic

The City Councillors are urging people to make submissions about the proposed waste transfer facility yet the application is not available on the City Council website, so you have to go to the Menapia Building (old ESB offices) to view a hard copy of the application. Deadline for submissions is 23rd June.

Max Powers

I saw 2 oxigen vehicles over there this morning, one small van and a big bin truck. Oxigen are serious about this.

I contacted some of our city councillors last week stating everyone concerns. Only response i got was from Gary Wyse saying he agrees with me. He didnt mention what he was going to do about it, if anything, maybe he is, maybe he isnt.

I would urge everyone to object.

Max Powers

Max Powers wrote: »

I saw 2 oxigen vehicles over there this morning, one small van and a big bin truck. Oxigen are serious about this.

I contacted some of our city councillors last week stating everyone concerns. Only response i got was from Gary Wyse saying he agrees with me. He didnt mention what he was going to do about it, if anything, maybe he is, maybe he isnt.

I would urge everyone to object.

Was in planning office today, there is no planning notice on display nor on internet site. When asked, there was a permit application the size of a phone book for it behind the desk. Does anyone know how to object to this.

Cabaal

Something makes me think that really nobody is too pushed about stopping this on the basis that the place will be cleaned up (in their eyes) and it'll provide jobs which they later can celebrate

Psychedelic

This is all purely speculation on my part, but I reckon that the Council management have already decided that this waste facility will happen. The City Councillors have said "the decision is out of our hands". I would say that part of the waste management contract between the Council and Oxigen included something about this waste facility.

Someone from he Council said "the plan wouldn't involve environmental damage or bad smells" - that sounds to me like the Council think there is no problem and it should go ahead.

Source: http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/waterford-news/8218.html

The other interesting thing, as Max Powers mentioned, is that there is not an actual planning application, but a permit. Check this photo which was posted on the Ferrybank.ie website: http://www.ferrybank.ie/notices/Planning_Notice_web.jpg

I don't know too much about planning and permits but I think that a permit doesn't require approval from City Councillors whereas a planning application does, hence the "out of our hands" quote above.

Max Powers

Have people made a submission to :

Waterford City Council,
Planning Department,
Menapia Building,
The Mall,
Waterford City

to object to the potential granting of a permit for use of North Wharf building as a waste facility??????
resons to object: eyesore, smell, infestation, tourism negative, liquid run-off into river, waste escaping facility

Done it today myself.

mike65

Would'nt this be better done down at Bellview? Or would that be awkward, it being in Kilkenny? (answer, yes)

Psychedelic

Max Powers wrote: »

Have people made a submission to :

Waterford City Council,
Planning Department,
Menapia Building,
The Mall,
Waterford City

to object to the potential granting of a permit for use of North Wharf building as a waste facility??????
resons to object: eyesore, smell, infestation, tourism negative, liquid run-off into river, waste escaping facility

Done it today myself.

Does it cost anything to make a submission?

Sully

Psychedelic wrote: »

Does it cost anything to make a submission?

20euro IIRC.

looksee

My understanding is that this is not a planning issue, just a permit, which is to be issued very soon, just before the Tall Ships arrive! It is unbelievable that the same authority that is doing so much for the development of the city is proposing to allow this.

Bards

Waste transfer facility could be on city’s north quays for 48-years

[Article] http://www.waterford-news.com/news/mhojaugbid/

Also a very good letter in the News & Star from Joe Kelly
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Oxigen waste plan is bad business

THE Oxigen plan to locate a Bulk Waste facility on the North Quays is a very bad idea on a number of levels.

Firstly, it is disastrous from a visitor perspective as it will be an eyesore for tourists holidaying on cruise ships that would dock on our North Quays. I’m certain that many ships that would plan to dock in Waterford will quickly move elsewhere if this facility goes ahead.

It is disastrous from an environmental perspective with the risk of terrible smells emanating from the facility blowing across the city, the vermin that will be attracted by it is a health and safety hazard to everyone and for the residents of Ferrybank it is a massive step backwards considering the smells they have had to endure over many years from other activities in the area.

From a planning perspective it will be disastrous as what kind of planning authority would put a waste management facility in the heart of the city, directly opposite the main thoroughfare against I suggest the wishes of most people.

Finally, I believe it is bad business for Oxigen themselves. As an Oxigen customer I will withdraw my business from Oxigen in protest if this facility goes ahead and give my business to another provider. I will be writing to Oxigen directly to outline my position and I encourage others who feel like I do to do the same.

After all money talks and withdrawing your custom is the best way for the people of Waterford to show our opposition to this disgraceful proposal.

From: Joe Kelly,
Hillview,
Waterford.

Facts

Sully wrote: »

20euro IIRC.

The facts are it costs NOTHING to make a submission on this transfer facility. It is not a planning issue its an environmental issue as it is a licence therefore people are invited to make comments.

Max Powers

if all the people who post here make a submission to the planning dept. im sure they can ignore all of us. I have done it, it costs nothing so get off your ar$es, sit back down again and write a letter.

PS then post the letter

nkay1985

Max Powers wrote: »

if all the people who post here make a submission to the planning dept. im sure they can ignore all of us. I have done it, it costs nothing so get off your ar$es, sit back down again and write a letter.

PS then post the letter

How do you go about doing this?

looksee

Go to Waterford City Council website, there is an email facility there for sending in a complaint. I have just sent one, I put it under the heading 'Environment'.

Hoffmans

dont "waste" ya time they are using it already......

Bards

Surely they are in breach of regulations and should be declined a waste permit and actually fined!!:mad:

Sully

Maybe it was already passed?

roco71

Without going into the rights & wrongs of the suitability of the location I would just like to say a few things about the most recent posts on this issue;

The headline in the News & Star is wrong and misleading, if you look at the application it says 24-48 months, not 48 years.

With regard to the picture of the truck at the shed, the only activity going on there is the parking of vehicles at night.

No decisions have been made by Waterford City Council on the permit as the date for submissions is the 23rd of June and then it will be 40 days after that before any decisions are announced.

Hoffmans

so parkin smelly trucks in there is classed as "non use"
grand ill open a carpark on the green across the road...

Bards

roco71 wrote: »

Without going into the rights & wrongs of the suitability of the location I would just like to say a few things about the most recent posts on this issue;

The headline in the News & Star is wrong and misleading, if you look at the application it says 24-48 months, not 48 years.

With regard to the picture of the truck at the shed, the only activity going on there is the parking of vehicles at night.

No decisions have been made by Waterford City Council on the permit as the date for submissions is the 23rd of June and then it will be 40 days after that before any decisions are announced.

are the trucks completely empty of waste - not even a scrap of paper left - if not it could be deemed to be "In-Use without a license"

abouttobebanned

roco71 wrote: »

Without going into the rights & wrongs of the suitability of the location I would just like to say a few things about the most recent posts on this issue;

The headline in the News & Star is wrong and misleading, if you look at the application it says 24-48 months, not 48 years.

With regard to the picture of the truck at the shed, the only activity going on there is the parking of vehicles at night.

No decisions have been made by Waterford City Council on the permit as the date for submissions is the 23rd of June and then it will be 40 days after that before any decisions are announced.

Howdy Roco...

May I be so bold as to ask how you know all this?

roco71

Bards wrote: »

are the trucks completely empty of waste - not even a scrap of paper left - if not it could be deemed to be "In-Use without a license"

sorry I am not an expert when it comes to the interpretation of the laws on that one but to the best of my knowledge the parking of vehicles regardless of being empty or not does not require a permit - perhaps the City Council could answer the concerns on this one.