What is with people's obsession with the word 'begrudgery' on this forum?

Da Shins Kelly

Ever other thread contains something about Irish people being begrudgers, or the begrudgery of this country, and if you make any sort negative comment about a famous person, of course you are a begrudger.

That word is eventually just gonna lose all meaning with the way people are just throwing it around the place.

(I forsee myself being called a begrudger in one of the first posts on this! )

Superbus

You aren't a begrudger.

Yakult

Its the word of the month for May.

LimeTime

Don't begrudge us such a great word.

Liam Byrne

There are always "fad" words and phrases that people misuse to justify their stances and dismiss dissenters off-hand.

Begrudgery is the latest one trotted out by the Jedward fan club.

Last year's one was FF's "we all".

"Populist" is another favourite, meaning "reflecting popular opinion", but turned into a dismissive slur.

Marketing has managed to turn the word "cheap" into a dirty word (you could say they've "cheapened" it), even though it should mean "value for money".

Misuse of language in an attempt to make the incorrect usage the "accepted norm" is a common tactic.

One which should be challenged at every opportunity.

Thatnastyboy

I think its a great word, its like calling someone a racist, it gets results.

Jimmy Garlic

If you have an opinion that differs from that of the borg then you are a begrudger.. That seems to be the way. For instance if you don't agree with the worship of St Obama you are a begrudger, you are raining on the borgs parade. Same thing if you were not in awe of a rich old lady in a silly hat.

Chuck Stone

That's racist.

MrMatisse

Welcome to Ireland.

My name is URL

It's most often used by people who don't want others to have a different opinion from their own.

They don't usually see the irony of it either.

Pauleta

The use of the words Begrudger and West Brit show you have no debate skills. You know quite well what type of individual you are dealing with when you see those words. I would have them down with people that say stuff like "You're watching too much fox news/sky news/sky sports" as a some sort of debate.

chin_grin

Who begrudges the begrudgers?

hondasam

Is the word begrudgery an Irish thing ?

The King of Moo

Its overuse is disappointing as I think begrudgery is a recognisable aspect of Irish society, though its not as prevalent as some people make it out to be.
Unfortunately, calling anyone who doesn't like something that lots of other people like a begrudger makes it difficult to discuss the fact that sometimes in Ireland people do automatically dislike something/someone successful or popular.

strobe

Pauleta wrote: »

The use of the words Begrudger and West Brit show you have no debate skills. You know quite well what type of individual you are dealing with when you see those words.

Agreed. It's like those idiots that use the words 'left-wing' or 'liberal' as if they are some kind of insult. Usually preceded by 'loony' or 'bleeding heart' for added moranity.

Couldn't agree with you more Pauleta.

Liam Byrne

strobe wrote: »

Agreed. It's like those idiots that use the words 'left-wing' or 'liberal' as if they are some kind of insult. Usually preceded by 'loony' or 'bleeding heart' for added moranity.

What does Kevin Moran's family have to do with it ?

Android 666

Fiachra's Law. A version of Godwin's Law except based on Irishness and Begrudgery:

"As an online discussion on all things Irish grows longer, the probability of the mention of Typical Irish Begrudgery approaches 1."

In other words, given enough time, all discussions on things Irish —regardless of topic or scope—inevitably end up being about Typical Irish Begrudgery.

Fiachra's law is here to protect us from accusations of begrudgery. When you express an opinion that runs contrary to someone else's and they use they 'B' word, invoke Fiachra's law with great aplomb.

A: Westlife are great
B: No, they're sh¡te
A: Typical Irish Begrudery!
B: I invoke FIACHRA'S LAW!…
(Clouds part, lightning flashes)
… and you're a wánker.

Essentially Fiachra's law is there to stop anyone accusing you of begrudgery and therefore claiming some sort of moral superiority in an online argument. The first thing that happens after some one calls you a begrudger is that you have to defend yourself against the claim and appear to lose credibility in the argument. Fiachra's law basically says the person throwing out the begrudger claim is taking a cheap shot because they know they have no other defence and making all subsequent debate redundant because they don't have the brains to have a logical discussion on differing points of view.

Aoifey!

That word is really starting to annoy me, it just came out of no where and seems to come up in every second thread.

sollar

Begrudgery is an irish trait. It will continue to be used alot round these parts simply because there are lots or begrudgers and begrudging posts to be found.

England has it too.... i remember liam gallagher saying something along the lines of "if a band gets up in their local pub in america they get cheered on, but if a band gets up to play in their local pub in england people say who the **** let them on stage".

Dudess

Begrudgery might (might) be more common in Irish society than others, but that doesn't make it an exclusively Irish trait - it's a human one. And yeah, a begrudger here is usually someone that doesn't like the same stuff that lots of people like. I take it those who throw out the word so easily though obviously don't dislike anything themselves - because after all, that would make them a begrudger too... which I'm sure they don't see themselves as.

stovelid

It's handy for expressing your inchoate inner rage when you don't know any big words.

You can get it in a handy pack with West Brit.

Donkey Oaty

Android 666 wrote: »

Fiachra's Law. A version of Godwin's Law except based on Irishness and Begrudgery

Google seems to confirm that this is a genuine coining of a new phrase by Android 666 - is it?

Android 666

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Google seems to confirm that this is a genuine coining of a new phrase by Android 666 - is it?

Aye, it was formulated over on the electronic music forum after another 'Typical Irish Begrudgery' argument a while ago and it's time to start spreading the word now...

xsiborg

What is it with people starting new threads when their opinion would have been just as valid in one of the other numerous begrudery threads ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS FORUM ALREADY??

Blitzkrieger

Damnit - Fiachra beat me to it. :mad:

I was going to compare the frequent use of 'begrudgery' to Godwin's law too. The post of the day is a prime example. I haven't read the thread in question, but why can't someone complain about something without being accused of negativity and (incorrectly,) begrudgery. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows - why shouldn't we ****ing complain?

maxwell smart

Often hear the phrase 'hump the begrudgers'. That might sort them out.

Liam Byrne

maxwell smart wrote: »

Often hear the phrase 'hump the begrudgers'. That might sort them out.

But that's kinda the problem.....how to identify the actual begrudgers versus those of us who have been repeatedly falsely accused of it.

Basically, some [many?] people don't know the meaning of the word, and they still use it.

AudreyHepburn

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Ever other thread contains something about Irish people being begrudgers, or the begrudgery of this country, and if you make any sort negative comment about a famous person, of course you are a begrudger.

That word is eventually just gonna lose all meaning with the way people are just throwing it around the place.

(I forsee myself being called a begrudger in one of the first posts on this! )

It's not so much the negative comments tbh. The problem is there are some who just cannot abide anything that makes people enjoy themselves at the moment. They tell you are fawning or over doing it and insist you remember the country is a mess and therefore you should not be enjoying yourself too much.

And frankly it gets tedious after a while.

AudreyHepburn

Blitzkrieger wrote: »

Damnit - Fiachra beat me to it. :mad:

I was going to compare the frequent use of 'begrudgery' to Godwin's law too. The post of the day is a prime example. I haven't read the thread in question, but why can't someone complain about something without being accused of negativity and (incorrectly,) begrudgery. The world isn't all sunshine and rainbows - why shouldn't we ****ing complain?

True. But neither is it all doom and gloom as some seem to insist. There has to be a happy medium.

R P McMurphy

Pauleta wrote: »

The use of the words Begrudger and West Brit show you have no debate skills. You know quite well what type of individual you are dealing with when you see those words. I would have them down with people that say stuff like "You're watching too much fox news/sky news/sky sports" as a some sort of debate.

You are only saying that because you are a west brit who watches sky news