Autistic Group Shut Down By Facebook

Eric Isherwood

http://www.autismtrustireland.com has been shut down by Facebook last saturday without any warning!

seamus

To be fair, they admit themselves that they were using their facebook page to badmouth other organisations and if they decide to shut down their organisation just because they no longer have a facebook page, then they can't have been a very solid organisation to begin with.

Eric Isherwood

this site got 11,000 hits and the group as you put it were no bad mouthing anyone, it was just asking the right questions, these other Irish Autistic groups to put there cards on the table. One group constantly fundraising never disclosed how much they raised like Peter Kay Concert @ 02 recently?????????

aare

Eric, what you were doing, for literally months, was using a few legitimate questions about Irish Autism Organisations (that had already been researched and raised by others) as a thin veneer over a campaign of throwing your weight around and viciously bullying any individual you came across who did not comply with you on command.

Your page wasn't shut down for making rational challenges to organistions that badly need challenging, it was shut down for constantly abusing individuals.

I personally came across at least one instance where it devolved into simple abuse and blatant cyberstalking of an ordinary Mum running a small parents group with no funds at all, just because she did not like what you were doing and discontinued association with you.

You were not just giving other Autism Organisations a bad name, you were giving the people who are doing the real work of querying the genuine anomalies in some of the larger, wealthier organisations a bad name by association with you.

...and trust me, I am a hardliner *against* the big organisations you claim to have been opposing and your behaviour was doing far more harm than good, every step of the way.

I have NO IDEA why you suddenly started to behave this way but it is NOT acceptable to anyone, on any level.

Eric Isherwood

Aare you of course are entitled to your view but you are from the outside looking in!http://www.cclr.listen2myradio.com

Eric Isherwood

That ordinary mum you speak of I got rid of her and is is not ordinary she is as cunning as a Fox. Wish I could say more but it's up to you who you believe fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me!http://www.cclr.listen2myradio.com

aare

No Eric, I am afraid I am very much "from the inside looking out" FAR more so than you...to the extent that I actually did a lot of the "research" you have been passing off as your own into the organisations. That is how very far ahead of your nonsense I am.

...and I can tell you now that all you are doing is attacking any organisation that will not give you your own way and promoting any organisation that does...

You may be attacking some organisations that need investigation, but you are ALSO supporting some organisations who belong in jail for very similar reasons, and far worse...the only difference you make is whether they will play along with you or not. Whether they are doing the right thing is completely irrelevant to you, as far as I can tell you do not have a CLUE about any of it really, just about what *you* want and what suits *you*, and to blazes with how that affects anyone else.

I am not quite sure *which* of the several ordinary mums (doing their best at their own expense, that you have attacked for basically refusing to go on humouring you) that you are calling "cunning like a fox", but setting up childish little webpages making spiteful personal attacks a child in school would be ashamed of and then posting tiny urls linking them everywhere you can, as you have done, would not be an appropriate approach to Satan himself.

SerialComplaint

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

http://www.autismtrustireland.com has been shut down by Facebook last saturday without any warning!

This makes no sense. Facebook don't control your .com site. You can continue to publish anything you like (within legal bounds) to your .com pages. Don't blame Facebook for your decision to stop publishing.

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

That ordinary mum you speak of I got rid of her

This sounds sinister. Got rid of her from where? What entitles you to 'get rid of' anyone?

aare

SerialComplaint wrote: »

This sounds sinister. Got rid of her from where? What entitles you to 'get rid of' anyone?

Don't worry, they were ALL still alive, well and trying to be a lot nicer and more understanding than I would ever be about it all, at the last count.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

No Eric, I am afraid I am very much "from the inside looking out" FAR more so than you...to the extent that I actually did a lot of the "research" you have been passing off as your own into the organisations. That is how very far ahead of your nonsense I am.

...and I can tell you now that all you are doing is attacking any organisation that will not give you your own way and promoting any organisation that does...

You may be attacking some organisations that need investigation, but you are ALSO supporting some organisations who belong in jail for very similar reasons, and far worse...the only difference you make is whether they will play along with you or not. Whether they are doing the right thing is completely irrelevant to you, as far as I can tell you do not have a CLUE about any of it really, just about what *you* want and what suits *you*, and to blazes with how that affects anyone else.

I am not quite sure *which* of the several ordinary mums (doing their best at their own expense, that you have attacked for basically refusing to go on humouring you) that you are calling "cunning like a fox", but setting up childish little webpages making spiteful personal attacks a child in school would be ashamed of and then posting tiny urls linking them everywhere you can, as you have done, would not be an appropriate approach to Satan himself.

Only time will tell who was right....... never been liked to Satan before but it looks like you have all the answers so the future looks bright for all with ASD and you are Happy that I am gone so celebrate your victory and who knows we may meet in the next life.... Oh I forgot I willing be going to hell as you will be made a saint because you are in the know.I bow to you Aare Saint of knowledge and wisdom!

aare

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

Only time will tell who was right....... never been liked to Satan before but it looks like you have all the answers so the future looks bright for all with ASD and you are Happy that I am gone so celebrate your victory and who knows we may meet in the next life.... Oh I forgot I willing be going to hell as you will be made a saint because you are in the know.I bow to you Aare Saint of knowledge and wisdom!

Eric, I did not "liken" you to Satan. I said the way you have been abusing people on the internet would not be an appropriate way to treat Satan - a very different thing.

If you had your way (which will never, EVER happen), given some of the kind of people and approaches you support, the only future for anyone with ASD would be a living nightmare...and I mean that very sincerely.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

Eric, I did not "liken" you to Satan. I said the way you have been abusing people on the internet would not be an appropriate way to treat Satan - a very different thing.

If you had your way (which will never, EVER happen), given some of the kind of people and approaches you support, the only future for anyone with ASD would be a living nightmare...and I mean that very sincerely.

Look i know what you are up to and it's not going to work!

aare

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

Look i know what you are up to and it's not going to work!

Do you now...so *what* do you *know* what I am up to? Please enlighten us, because I guarantee, whatever it is, it will be news to me.:rolleyes:

Eric Isherwood

SerialComplaint wrote: »

This makes no sense. Facebook don't control your .com site. You can continue to publish anything you like (within legal bounds) to your .com pages. Don't blame Facebook for your decision to stop publishing.




This sounds sinister. Got rid of her from where? What entitles you to 'get rid of' anyone?

Oh yes I shut myself down???? why Think before you ink please and I was putting the record straight in reply to misinformation being published on this site!

aare

You are being completely crazy now Eric you chose to shut down http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ yourself.

All facebook shut down was your facebook page, which you were constantly using to abuse anyone who would not give you your own way, which is against Facebook's TOC. You could have kept http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ if you wanted to. I think it's is time you faced the truth, the only people visiting your site from facebook in the end were checking to see the abuse you were posting.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

You are being completely crazy now Eric you chose to shut down http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ yourself.

All facebook shut down was your facebook page, which you were constantly using to abuse anyone who would not give you your own way, which is against Facebook's TOC. You could have kept http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ if you wanted to. I think it's is time you faced the truth, the only people visiting your site from facebook in the end were checking to see the abuse you were posting.

Yes as if people nearly 11,000 people are interested in what I say stop trying to flatter me know one minute i am Satan the next I am the adored by thousands looking to see who I am going as you put it abuse people. Wow thank you my head has got so big I can't get out the door now....

aare

People have no choice but keep track when they are abused, and, unfortunately, too many people have a lurid fascination with the abuse of others.

Barrt2

facebook, you changed our profiles, change our font, failed too add a dislike button but you got it right deleting this page full of abuse and childish comments.

aare you are so very right about this

aare

...and you in turn Barrt2 are SO right about the other things Facebook get wrong...

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

You are being completely crazy now Eric you chose to shut down http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ yourself.

All facebook shut down was your facebook page, which you were constantly using to abuse anyone who would not give you your own way, which is against Facebook's TOC. You could have kept http://www.autismtrustireland.com/ if you wanted to. I think it's is time you faced the truth, the only people visiting your site from facebook in the end were checking to see the abuse you were posting.

You are saying that nearly 11,000 people went to Facebook and then went to Autism Trust Ireland only as you see it to check out as you put it again which I strongly dispute, to see what i was saying about other groups.So now you are the Judge and Jury and you were at this computer and tapped my phone when people rang me looking for help.So you dismiss with the stroke of a pen anything positive Autism Trust Ireland did?

aare

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

You are saying that nearly 11,000 people went to Facebook and then went to Autism Trust Ireland only as you see it to check out as you put it again which I strongly dispute, to see what i was saying about other groups.So now you are the Judge and Jury and you were at this computer and tapped my phone when people rang me looking for help.So you dismiss with the stroke of a pen anything positive Autism Trust Ireland did?

Autism Trust never did anything positive or useful at all.

Autism Trust Ireland have always been a byproduct of your dysfunctional ego, and as such promoted anyone who humored you and condemned anyone who did not as a sole criteria.

Initially some people were genuinely taken in, others tried to be nice and give you a chance. When people are desperate they will try anything and everything -once. But they soon learned you have nothing to offer but your ego for massaging and that unless they played along with you and agreed with every word you said you would throw a tantrum.

SerialComplaint

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

Oh yes I shut myself down???? why Think before you ink please and I was putting the record straight in reply to misinformation being published on this site!

Eric - If your main website has useful content, the visitors will come. If, on the other hand, your main objective was the have arguements with people, visitors will stay away. No-one has censored you, except yourself. You can continue to post any content you like to your own website, with legal bounds.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

Autism Trust never did anything positive or useful at all.

Autism Trust Ireland have always been a byproduct of your dysfunctional ego, and as such promoted anyone who humored you and condemned anyone who did not as a sole criteria.

Initially some people were genuinely taken in, others tried to be nice and give you a chance. When people are desperate they will try anything and everything -once. But they soon learned you have nothing to offer but your ego for massaging and that unless they played along with you and agreed with every word you said you would throw a tantrum.

You know you flatter me and we achieved nothing! Tell me of any other group in Ireland who ever put on a Free Conference tell me of any other parents who got a school open St.Gabriel's in Bishopstown through High Court Action we took while our twin Autistic sons were in America. You don't have the clue what you are talking about. Yes we shut down Autism Trust Ireland and we set out at least 85 ID cards to people which these cards were for parents who child or adult with Autism may wander. These were not made to get discounts for disney as some group have or at the airport for ID.If you are traveling all airlines can be rung before hand and if you tell your situation will be happy to accommodate you and your family. Facebook was an very important avenue for us to link people to our website. We were not an Autistic scout movement as some are, but yes they offer a service which gives children an outlet to enjoy themselves but I would be concerned as there is no paper trail with some groups, no openess and transparency. Good luck to you if this is what you want but I am not going to have someone who is just speculating...... and that's all you have done in your post take away from what we achieve.If you want to go on with tunnel vision for the rest of your life then the best of Luck to you. My information was not fictional like yours......

aare

Lots of groups run free Autism conferences every year, some even run more than one.

Sadly, in too many cases, they do this just to foist their own questionable agenda on the unsuspecting, however, they usually manage to be reasonably polite about it and make some kind of recognisable sense. I am assured that you did neither.

You sent your twin son's to the "Son Rise" program in the USA. How this was funded has never been publicly disclosed to my knowledge. The "Son Rise" programs is generally condemned as far too expensive and "hard sell", with no evidence of effectuality by most people:
http://rsaffran.tripod.com/sonrise.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son-Rise#Criticism_and_lack_of_cured_cases

It is, in addition, "Son Rise" is frequently condemned by adult autistics as ineffectual and, at least, mildly, abusive.
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=422
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=308
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=11259

St Gabriel's School in Bishopstown are owned and run by the Brother's of Charity, who receive about 200 million in direct government grants every year to provide mostly, very part time (a few days a month) respite care for about 2000 people. They employ almost as many admin staff as front line staff and have a vehicle budget of 1 or 2 million on alternate years (NB Admins, this is all straight from their own filed annual accounts at http://www.cro.ie so nothing to worry about).

ID cards for eloping autistic kids are all but useless. They need GPS tracking systems.

...oh and while you were running around throwing tantrums for your own way we were investigating and revealing the real financial situation for all the Irish Autism Organisations.

For instance:
The Irish Society for Autism is by far the wealthiest.
Irish Autism Action pays it's CEO the highest salary

You need a serious reality check (and probably quite a lot of the right kind of help) before you do some actual harm.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

Lots of groups run free Autism conferences every year, some even run more than one.

Sadly, in too many cases, they do this just to foist their own questionable agenda on the unsuspecting, however, they usually manage to be reasonably polite about it and make some kind of recognisable sense. I am assured that you did neither.

You sent your twin son's to the "Son Rise" program in the USA. How this was funded has never been publicly disclosed to my knowledge. The "Son Rise" programs is generally condemned as far too expensive and "hard sell", with no evidence of effectuality by most people:
http://rsaffran.tripod.com/sonrise.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son-Rise#Criticism_and_lack_of_cured_cases

It is, in addition, "Son Rise" is frequently condemned by adult autistics as ineffectual and, at least, mildly, abusive.
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=422
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=308
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=11259

St Gabriel's School in Bishopstown are owned and run by the Brother's of Charity, who receive about 200 million in direct government grants every year to provide mostly, very part time (a few days a month) respite care for about 2000 people. They employ almost as many admin staff as front line staff and have a vehicle budget of 1 or 2 million on alternate years (NB Admins, this is all straight from their own filed annual accounts at http://www.cro.ie so nothing to worry about).

ID cards for eloping autistic kids are all but useless. They need GPS tracking systems.

...oh and while you were running around throwing tantrums for your own way we were investigating and revealing the real financial situation for all the Irish Autism Organisations.

For instance:
The Irish Society for Autism is by far the wealthiest.
Irish Autism Action pays it's CEO the highest salary

You need a serious reality check (and probably quite a lot of the right kind of help) before you do some actual harm.

My sons never went to the Son Rise program in the USA wrong, wrong and wrong.....I think you are making this up as you go along . How can you make comments about the BOC budget this is just all pie in the sky stuff and you are only showing yourself up by printing such wild and fictional stuff. The Brothers of Charity supply a service that's second to none in this country! It's been fun but I am bored of you now come back to me when you know what you are talking about and you come back down to earth!

Eric Isherwood

Barrt2 wrote: »

facebook, you changed our profiles, change our font, failed too add a dislike button but you got it right deleting this page full of abuse and childish comments.

aare you are so very right about this

bart2 what can I say you have the right name alright because what has been written on this page by others is like an Simpsons, you just have to laugh. Thank you so much for the entertainment.

aare

It was you on an earlier incarnation of your own site that claimed your sons went to the "Son Rise" program in the USA, in considerable detail. If you are now denying that they were in the "Son Rise" program, I suggest you tell us where they were instead?

I also suggest that you check the accounts of the Brothers of Charity as filed at http://www.cro.ie as a legal requirement, for yourself.

It seems to me that you have been making things up as you go along for some considerable time.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

It was you on an earlier incarnation of your own site that claimed your sons went to the "Son Rise" program in the USA, in considerable detail. If you are now denying that they were in the "Son Rise" program, I suggest you tell us where they were instead?

I also suggest that you check the accounts of the Brothers of Charity as filed at http://www.cro.ie as a legal requirement, for yourself.

It seems to me that you have been making things up as you go along for some considerable time.

Never ever said my sons went to Son Rise show me the evidence of that but you appear to know everything so tell me where they went??? I suggest when you have the correct information come back and apologise to people reading this post for giving out wrong information!zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

aare

I repeat, if your sons were not on the "Son Rise" program, as per your earlier claims, where were they instead?

Simple enough question, if you have nothing to hide I suggest you answer it.

aare

Sorry, whatever Eric has claimed at various times, the twins were, in fact at the Higashi School in Boston:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boys+give+school+top+marks.-a060609467

Perhaps it would have been wiser to send them to "Son Rise"?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/29/teacher_at_higashi_school_convicted_of_harming_student/
Full article text:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=1663
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Tedeman%2010-1-05.htm
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/-AuTeach/message/1972

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

I repeat, if your sons were not on the "Son Rise" program, as per your earlier claims, where were they instead?

Simple enough question, if you have nothing to hide I suggest you answer it.

You said I went into great detail in the past that my sons were in Son Rise Program so produce the evidence...... they did not, you are way off what program they went to in USA

aare

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

You said I went into great detail in the past that my sons were in Son Rise Program so produce the evidence...... they did not, you are way off what program they went to in USA

I can see why you would be reluctant to name the Higashi School in Boston, which *IS* where they went, isn't it?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boys+give+school+top+marks.-a060609467

Seems they would have been better off at "Son Rise"?:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/29/teacher_at_higashi_school_convicted_of_harming_student/
Full article text:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=1663
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Tedeman%2010-1-05.htm
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/-AuTeach/message/1972

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

Sorry, whatever Eric has claimed at various times, the twins were, in fact at the Higashi School in Boston:
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boys+give+school+top+marks.-a060609467

Perhaps it would have been wiser to send them to "Son Rise"?
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/29/teacher_at_higashi_school_convicted_of_harming_student/
Full article text:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=1663
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Tedeman%2010-1-05.htm
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/-AuTeach/message/1972

Now that was not to hard.... to do say sorry and give out the right information to people and still waiting to see the claims I ever made about my sons going to Son Rise that will be your second apology! Oh you slipped big time there.... how you ever going to be taken serious again by people reading this post.So come on show me were I published my sons went to Son Rise!

aare

...and are you not even slightly ashamed that you sent your own autistic sons to such a terrible place?

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

I can see why you would be reluctant to name the Higashi School in Boston, which *IS* where they went, isn't it?
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boys+give+school+top+marks.-a060609467

Seems they would have been better off at "Son Rise"?:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/06/29/teacher_at_higashi_school_convicted_of_harming_student/
Full article text:
http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=1663
http://www.caica.org/NEWS%20Tedeman%2010-1-05.htm
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/-AuTeach/message/1972

Now you are attacking the work of the Boston Higashi School my word you sure have a big chip on your shoulder. One article and you label everyone in the school the same.My sons got the best of treatment and Education at the Higashi School and the staff were one of the warmest most welcoming caring and professional. Never believe everything you read and don't label everyone the same you are in quick sand now and if you don't stop struggling you are going to sink.... Empty vessels make most noise!

aare

Eric Isherwood wrote: »

Now you are attacking the work of the Boston Higashi School my word you sure have a big chip on your shoulder. One article and you label everyone in the school the same.My sons got the best of treatment and Education at the Higashi School and the staff were one of the warmest most welcoming caring and professional. Never believe everything you read and don't label everyone the same you are in quick sand now and if you don't stop struggling you are going to sink.... Empty vessels make most noise!

*Three* seperate articles...and there are plenty more. I just kept it simple for you.

Three teachers charged with serious assault in 2005, one convicted, two fled to Japan.

17 allegations of serious abuse between 1995 and 2002.

At least one civil lawsuit in 2001 (concerning injuries to Scott Tedman)

But we are supposed to ignore the evidence and the lawsuits, as you did, because you say so.

Who on earth do you think you are?

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

*Three* seperate articles...and there are plenty more. I just kept it simple for you.

Three teachers charged with serious assault in 2005, one convicted, two fled to Japan.

17 allegations of serious abuse between 1995 and 2002.

At least one civil lawsuit in 2001 (concerning injuries to Scott Tedman)

But we are supposed to ignore the evidence and the lawsuits, as you did, because you say so.

Who on earth do you think you are?

It's like a game of chess with you as you have now cleverly drawn attention away from yourself and the misinformation regarding my sons going to Son Rise and still waiting to see the evidence 3 times I have asked you were I posted my sons went to Son Rise??????????????? Again my sons were at along with three other Irish families at the time and we never came across any abusive behaviour towards my sons and you were never there so please only comment on what you have seen with your own two eyes.We could all google pages from various schools around the world and pick out the bad ones as you have! I am seriously concerned for you have nothing positive to say about anyone.I feel so sorry for you are you lonely...... is this your only friend a board site?

aare

On the contrary, it is you who is trying to distract attention from your own consistently questionable and often abusive behaviour.

Autistic people and their friends and families are simply too good to be subjected to any more of your bullying and abuse, or to have your egocentric ideas imposed upon them.

Now I have given you too much attention already.

Eric Isherwood

aare wrote: »

On the contrary, it is you who is trying to distract attention from your own consistently questionable and often abusive behaviour.

Autistic people and their friends and families are simply too good to be subjected to any more of your bullying and abuse, or to have your egocentric ideas imposed upon them.

Now I have given you too much attention already.

Again for the fourth time show me were I said my sons went to Son Rise in USA?????