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Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Please Read OP)
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Brian Shanahan wrote: »Because those in control need some way to keep the rest of us down and in fear, so they invented god and the other (in all their various forms) to keep us cowering in the corner.
This is the first age in which the lies are being systematically exposed for what they are.
What am I afraid of? Just curious?
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At a guess, dying and there being nothing afterwards. Am I wrong?philologos wrote: »What am I afraid of? Just curious?0 -
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That's the thing about people. They can make assumptions. These assumptions drive people to generally ask questions, to test these assumptions against reality. It's great.
Seems my assumption wasn't far off the mark, so...
In what way? - If I assume atheism is correct and I die. What of it?
How does that validate your assumption that Christians are afraid of death?
Rather it shows the assumption to be wrong that many if not all Christians don't find the concept of death in and of itself all that troubling even when we assume your atheistic presuppositions.True, and I can't argue the point as evidence against your position. I would say, though, that what you have posted shows your happiness is tied into what you believe, which at the very least could make critically examining contradictory evidence undesirable.
Christianity isn't about happiness. Again, I don't know where you're pulling this nonsense out of that my happiness is hinged on Christianity
No, rather I'm convinced of the truth of the gospel because it holds up on examination.
If the atheistic materialist worldviews philosophy of death was true, what odds? I rot. That doesn't trouble me a jot. I'd rather rot and be dead than live and perpetually decay in this creation.Nope. That isn't true. People, generally, don't just shut off their feelings and go with evidence or entirely on reason. I would go as far as to say most, if not all people don't do so. I can't say even for myself that I'm not cognitively biased in certain ways based on feelings. I can't think of exact examples because people have blind spots on these things. It is easier to see in another than ourselves.
What isn't true?
What I said was that it doesn't matter a damn what I "feel". What matters a damn is what is true. Hence in the grand scheme of things feelings are irrelevant.
I think you're misinterpreting my post.0 -
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There certainly are at least some Christians who are scared of death, and admit as such readily. Let's go with such people. They are scared of death. What does this mean? Their happiness is contingent on their belief. What might this cause? A lesser ability to go with an unbiased look at evidence. This is all elementary stuff, really. Again, as I say, it doesn't disprove religion, but it means that a religious person like I'm describing is less likely to evaluate evidence on its merits.
There are some I suspect, just as there are some atheists, some Buddhists, some Jews, some Muslims, some Hindus, and some Sikhs who fear death.
What I'm trying to see is what is your point.An interesting thing I'd love to know the results of would be something like how religious people would react were they to find out their religion were true, except the bit about an afterlife. I wonder how their feelings towards their religion would change. Would they behave the same way? Is it a love of their deity, etc or is it a fear of death? Would be very interesting. This is the type of question that isn't likely to be critically (looked at in an unbiased way) by religionists.
If that were true (and the gospel itself precludes it being true) I think it makes a lot more sense still nonetheless to believe that there is a creator God than not.
I'm not a huge fan of "religious people" and "religionists". I remember when I was asked in a survey from a sociology student who came to our Christian Union "How religious are you?". I put down something like a 2 out of 10 and proceeded to explain the Christian gospel is something quite different to how most people regard "religious"
Christians aren't self-righteous, they are Christ-righteous, but that's an aside and perhaps a pedantic oneI quoted a very small bit. 3 words.
What matters is what is true, and to get to what is true is to look and weigh up the evidence in an unbiased way.
I agree. I would argue that that is as pertinent to you as an atheist materialist as it is to me as a Bible believing Christian 0
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