Fat people should pay more for health insurance.

Chuck Stone

The cost of obesity is estimated at €400,000,000 p.a. in this country.

http://www.imt.ie/news/health-management/2010/07/cost-of-obesity-under-review.html

Why should healthy people fund the obese lifestyle?

Why should people who look after themselves subsidize the people who couldn't give a shit?

I suggest that people be weighed when they renew their health insurance and the fatter they are the more they pay. This would also motivate people to maintain a reasonable weight. Nothing motivates people like a good fleecing.

What say y'all?

questionmark?

you want this thread >>>>>>http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056276175

dsmythy

They also die younger thus saving money that way.

Guill

It's glandular.

Chuck Stone

questionmark? wrote: »

you want this thread >>>>>>http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056276175

No.

I'm not looking for an argument - I'm just raising a topic for reasonable debate.

We all know that AH has the best debators of course.

thehairyelbow

Fatist

hondasam

No I don't think they should, being thin does not mean you are healthy.

Chuck Stone

dsmythy wrote: »

They also die younger thus saving money that way.

I doubt it. They will probably have life assurance which will have to pay off mortgages etc.

loike

but im starting my diet on monday

Chuck Stone

hondasam wrote: »

No I don't think they should, being thin does not mean you are healthy.

True.

But I'm talking specifically about fatties here.

People should also be tested for lung capacity - smokers pay more too.

But as I said - let's talk about fatties.

mikemac

You could say the same for those go rock climbing and are super fit OP. Even cyclists covering over 100km a week.

Potential for injuries

You could have picked any topic and written the same thread

aN.Droid

Fail thread.

I am overweight by a few stone and have been to the hospital a total two times in my life as a patient and to the doctor about 3 times not including the baby stuff. And one of the times I was in hospital was when some cúr threw a rock into my eye a few years ago.

Also. Just for the record. I'm not built for speed, I'm built for comfort!

// Oh and my lung capacity is way above average. A chest xray I have had also showed my lungs are very large. I have a huge body frame so it didnt surprise me much

hondasam

Chuck Stone wrote: »

True.

But I'm talking specifically about fatties here.

People should also be tested for lung capacity - smokers pay more too.

But as I said - let's talk about fatties.

what would you call fat ?

I'm sure you have to fill out the forms, perhaps they ask about weight,do a medical etc.

TheZohanS

Chuck Stone wrote: »

True.

But I'm talking specifically about fatties here.

People should also be tested for lung capacity - smokers pay more too.

But as I said - let's talk about fatties.

Why no include IQ and EQ tests too? People that score lowly on these two are more likely to have an accident or get their heads kicked in. :cool:

Chuck Stone

Limericks wrote: »

Fail thread.

I am overweight by a few stone and have been to the hospital a total two times in my life as a patient and to the doctor about 3 times not including the baby stuff. And one of the times I was in hospital was when some cúr threw a rock into my eye a few years ago.

Also. Just for the record. I'm not built for speed, I'm built for comfort!

// Oh and my lung capacity is way above average. A chest xray I have had also showed my lungs are very large. I have a huge body frame so it didnt surprise me much

You should pay more for health insurance because you, statistically, will end up costing people money and become a burden on the health system because you are overweight.

Chuck Stone

TheZohan wrote: »

Why no include IQ and EQ tests too? People that score lowly on these two are more likely to have an accident or get their heads kicked in. :cool:

No.

Stay on track here - I'm talking about fat folk specifically.

Being overweight is an objective fact - IQ and EQ are subjective rubbish imo.

People don't have low IQ from lifestyle choices too. If you can't see the difference then I haven't got the talent to help you understand.

NTMK

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You should pay more for health insurance because you, statistically, will end up costing people money and become a burden on the health system because you are overweight.

not everyone who is overweight is unhealthy im a bit over weight yet my lung capacity is well above average my resting heart rate is in the 50's I dont smoke, I dont drink so my organs are in fantastic nick

Tell me what do you think a healthy weight is?

TheZohanS

Chuck Stone wrote: »

No.

Stay on track here - I'm talking about fat folk specifically.

Being overweight is an objective fact - IQ and EQ are subjective rubbish imo.

People don't have low IQ from lifestyle choices too. If you can't see the difference then I haven't got the talent to help you understand.

Afraid your insurance will go up?:pac:

IQ and EQ and not subjective, you're talking through your hole.

aN.Droid

Chuck Stone wrote: »

You should pay more for health insurance because you, statistically, will end up costing people money and become a burden on the health system because you are overweight.

How so? We all end up on our death bed's eventually. Even skinny people can be unfit. Hell, many skinny people suffer from heart disease and other sickness's that heavy people would suffer from. I haven't cost this country anything in health bills which atribute to my weight. First time in hospital was when I was young and had Pertussis. Second time I was in hospital was when I got the rock into the eye. Both things that could happen to ANYBODY.

Your thread makes no sense.

iguy

What a ridiculous thread,
Op some people who are obese cant help it, as someone already said 'its glandular'.
Sure I'm 6ft2in and I'm under 11st with a 30 inch waist, I'd love to be heavier,but I cant put it on. some cant lose it,due to medical reasons.
Plus everyone costs the state money at some point of their life!
Also dont be selfish,you should of put some thought into this thread by the way you wrote it.
By the way whats your measurements?
Sincerely,
iguy.

Chuck Stone

TheZohan wrote: »

Afraid your insurance will go up?:pac:

IQ and EQ and not subjective, you're talking through your hole.

Having a low IQ is not a lifestyle choice. They are entirely subjective and pretty meaningless. As I said I have neither the patience or talent to help you understand this.

Stay on track.

ArtyM

But how much do they contribute to the economy through their purchases of cakes and buns and diet cokes?

Chuck Stone

iguy wrote: »

By the whats your measurements?
Sincerely,
iguy.

I'm a relatively healthy 6ft 1in 14st.

Eric Cartman

well by your logic :

people who play sports should pay more for healthcare
people who have plastic surgery should pay more for healthcare
people who live in the country should pay more for healthcare
alcohol drinkers should pay more for healthcare
cyclists should pay more for healthcare

infact anyone whos not a dieticien who sits at home all day and lives in a sterile house with cushion lined walls should pay more for healthcare

Chuck Stone

Limericks wrote: »

How so?

I'm not talking about you specifically - I have nothing against you in any way. I'm talking about obese people as a demographic. I hope you don't take what I'm saying personally.

mikemac

You could look at it another way OP

There is a pensions crises looming. Sure we all may end up working into our 70's.

If obese people are ill and dying off earlier nearing pension age it saves the State money and delays this pensions timebomb.

I don't realy enjoy typing this but it's another view

TheZohanS

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm a relatively healthy 6ft 1in 14st.

Good man.

PARKHEAD67

Chuck Stone wrote: »

The cost of obesity is estimated at €400,000,000 p.a. in this country.

http://www.imt.ie/news/health-management/2010/07/cost-of-obesity-under-review.html

Why should healthy people fund the obese lifestyle?

Why should people who look after themselves subsidize the people who couldn't give a shit?

I suggest that people be weighed when they renew their health insurance and the fatter they are the more they pay. This would also motivate people to maintain a reasonable weight. Nothing motivates people like a good fleecing.

What say y'all?

Im about 12 stone but this is one legendary thread.;).

knird evol

iguy wrote: »

What a ridiculous thread,
Op some people who are obese cant help it, as someone already said 'its glandular'.

Glandular. And don't forget people with big bones.
And slow metabolism.

Technoprisoner

i think people that excersise should pay more...after all they do more injuries to themselves when excersisng

Chuck Stone

TheZohan wrote: »

Good man.

No you.

http://www.monkeyreview.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/1237436885305.jpg


(small man syndrome at work here?)

Chuck Stone

Technoprisoner wrote: »

i think people that excersise should pay more...after all they do more injuries to themselves when excersisng

This is kinda bass ackwards. People who exercise are way more healthy than people who are obese.

jive

I agree 100%. It is a fact that obese people are more likely to have health problems. Not just increased risk of heart disease, diabetes etc. (the common ones) but also to cancers and recently has been linked to a greater chance of developing dementia. Obesity is disgusting and is an incredibly selfish act particularly for women who intend on having a child, as it can have detrimental affects to the child during pregnancy. Not only that but most fat assholes also feed their children shít making them obese also.

People saying that "oh if you cycle you should also have to pay more" - stfu. There are benefits to cycling. What benefits are there to being obese? Nothing. There are people starving and you are gorging yourselves on crap food. If you are obese you are disgusting. You are unattractive. You are unhealthy (whether you are unhealthy in the short term is irrelevant) due to the fact that you have an increased risk of god knows how many health problems. Fat people are just slobs with no self control. Every year in January they fill our gyms with their sweaty odours and gross bodies only to never return after 2 weeks. I credit those that actually have the will power to lose weight. Good for them. But fat people are disgusting. Putting yourself at such a high risk and just generally looking disgusting is sad. You can say you are happy with yourself and that's all that matters but everybody is judging you for being a slob.

Everyone, with the exception of fat people, has called someone enormous behind their back. I think that is cowardly and I think that fat people should be ridiculed in order to make them lose weight. There are all these warnings on packs of fags and stuff, I think they should start putting them on crap food too. I'm sick of seeing fat slobs everywhere. If you wear a t-shirt when you go swimming or don't wear bikinis because of your body then stop being such a mess. There's nothing worse than a fat woman who flaunts herself on being curvy - yeah, being overweight, how attractive. Drop the chocolate bar, get off boards and go for a walk you fatties.

iguy

knird evol wrote: »

Glandular. And don't forget people with big bones.
And slow metabolism.

Thanks I forgot about those two reasons.
Sincerely,
iguy.

TaraFoxglove

Genuine question - do people pay more if they are smokers? Just wondering, haven't a clue.

jive wrote: »

Every year in January they fill our gyms with their sweaty odours and gross bodies only to never return after 2 weeks.

No wonder they leave after two weeks with attitudes like this...

Criticising people for being obese but criticising them for doing something about it - so many face-palms.

jive wrote: »

I think that is cowardly and I think that fat people should be ridiculed in order to make them lose weight.

Ridicule people who see the physical manifestation of their vice every day in the mirror/shop windows etc?

Paparazzo

They should do a personality test too, because if you're annoying you're more likely to get punched in the face

Eric Cartman

jive wrote: »

I agree 100%. It is a fact that obese people are more likely to have health problems. Not just increased risk of heart disease, diabetes etc. (the common ones) but also to cancers and recently has been linked to a greater chance of developing dementia. Obesity is disgusting and is an incredibly selfish act particularly for women who intend on having a child, as it can have detrimental affects to the child during pregnancy. Not only that but most fat assholes also feed their children shít making them obese also.

People saying that "oh if you cycle you should also have to pay more" - stfu. There are benefits to cycling. What benefits are there to being obese? Nothing. There are people starving and you are gorging yourselves on crap food. If you are obese you are disgusting. You are unattractive. You are unhealthy (whether you are unhealthy in the short term is irrelevant) due to the fact that you have an increased risk of god knows how many health problems. Fat people are just slobs with no self control. Every year in January they fill our gyms with their sweaty odours and gross bodies only to never return after 2 weeks. I credit those that actually have the will power to lose weight. Good for them. But fat people are disgusting. Putting yourself at such a high risk and just generally looking disgusting is sad. You can say you are happy with yourself and that's all that matters but everybody is judging you for being a slob.

Everyone, with the exception of fat people, has called someone enormous behind their back. I think that is cowardly and I think that fat people should be ridiculed in order to make them lose weight. There are all these warnings on packs of fags and stuff, I think they should start putting them on crap food too. I'm sick of seeing fat slobs everywhere. If you wear a t-shirt when you go swimming or don't wear bikinis because of your body then stop being such a mess. There's nothing worse than a fat woman who flaunts herself on being curvy - yeah, being overweight, how attractive. Drop the chocolate bar, get off boards and go for a walk you fatties.

warm all the time perhaps

whats the line between fat and curvy ?

whats overweight ? some would say its a woman above a size 0 , others a size 14 , wheres your line on that ?

Kevin Duffy

Chuck Stone wrote: »

This is kinda bass ackwards. People who exercise are way more healthy than people who are obese.

When I was training and competing hard at various different sports, or during periods when I just kept fit and trim, I definitely cost my insurers far more than I have since I stopped.

melekalikimaka

NTMK wrote: »

not everyone who is overweight is unhealthy im a bit over weight yet my lung capacity is well above average my resting heart rate is in the 50's I dont smoke, I dont drink so my organs are in fantastic nick

Tell me what do you think a healthy weight is?

healthy weight is where you dont look fat

Chuck Stone

jive wrote: »

Obesity is disgusting and is an incredibly selfish act

I don't agree with this sentiment. People who are overweight have a problem with overeating and I think it should be looked upon as food addiction rather than selfishness.


I would envision increased health insurance as beneficial to overweight people in that they'd be motivated by getting a bill for it and the fact that a say bi-annual medical was going to happen might help focus minds.


I didn't want this to turn into a fattie-bashing echo chamber tbh - if it goes down that road I'd be happy to have a mod lock it up.

jive

TaraFoxglove wrote: »

Genuine question - do people pay more if they are smokers? Just wondering, haven't a clue.



No wonder they leave after two weeks with attitudes like this...

Criticising people for being obese but criticising them for doing something about it - so many face-palms.



Ridicule people who see the physical manifestation of their vice every day in the mirror/shop windows etc?

I didn't criticise them for going to the gym. I said they leave after 2 weeks. I even said I give credit to those who do stick at it. I'd never make anyone feel unwelcome at the gym because for some reason it's a daunting place for newcomers so I'd want to help them in anyway possible. Being obese is a choice in 99.99% of cases. They should have to pay more unless they have a genuine medical condition that makes losing weight incredibly difficult / impossible.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

warm all the time perhaps

whats the line between fat and curvy ?

whats overweight ? some would say its a woman above a size 0 , others a size 14 , wheres your line on that ?

I don't know what the line is. I'd estimate that something like 30% bodyfat is the line. If almost 1/3 of you is fat then cop the fúck on and pound the streets until you lose some of it. Being slightly overweight isn't a big deal. Being morbidly obese is disgusting and is a big deal. The extra insulation doesn't outweight the risks

Chuck Stone

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

When I was training and competing hard at various different sports, or during periods when I just kept fit and trim, I definitely cost my insurers far more than I have since I stopped.

Okay.

I'm not talking about you specifically - I'm talking about a demographic. To the best of my knowledge people who exercise regularly and partake in sport are far healthier than overweight people and ergo cost less for health insurance.

If you can provide me with a credible study which proves me wrong I will gladly stand down on this aspect of the issue.

BengaLover

so should smokers then.

PARKHEAD67

Chuck Stone wrote: »

This is kinda bass ackwards. People who exercise are way more healthy than people who are obese.

metatarsel,achilles tendon injuries etc.Hamstrings blah de blah. Injuries-Health insurance.

jive

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I don't agree with this sentiment. People who are overweight have a problem with overeating and I think it should be looked upon as food addiction rather than selfishness.

You can be a food addict + excercise enough to not be obese. The problem is most obese people don't excercise and eat like shít - that's why they are obese. If they can afford to eat that much food then they can afford to get the information they need be it through magazines or the internet.

PARKHEAD67

jive wrote: »

You can be a food addict + excercise enough to not be obese. The problem is most obese people don't excercise and eat like shít - that's why they are obese. If they can afford to eat that much food then they can afford to get the information they need be it through magazines or the internet.

Its mostly hereditary in fairness.Genes play a huge part in obesity.

Fremen

jive wrote: »

People saying that "oh if you cycle you should also have to pay more" - stfu.

Could you please learn to make a point without being abusive. You did this on the pony thread, too. As things stand, you sound like Bill O'Reilly from fox news.

Bill O'Reilly's a cúnt.

Chuck Stone

PARKHEAD67 wrote: »

metatarsel,achilles tendon injuries etc.Hamstrings blah de blah. Injuries-Health insurance.

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If you can provide me with a credible study which proves me wrong I will gladly stand down on this aspect of the issue.

.

PARKHEAD67

Fremen wrote: »

Could you please learn to make a point without being abusive. You did this on the pony thread, too. As things stand, you sound like Bill O'Reilly from fox news.

Bill O'Reilly's a cúnt.

Spot on about Bill O'Reilly.

TaraFoxglove

Fremen wrote: »

Could you please learn to make a point without being abusive. You did this on the pony thread, too. As things stand, you sound like Bill O'Reilly from fox news.

Bill O'Reilly's a cúnt.

Post of the day, maybe even the week.

robinph

Fat People wrote:

I'm big boned.

Nobody has ever dug up a big boned skeleton on Time Team.