The sheer power shown by America to Ireland

CommuterIE

Three Galaxy aircraft (Ireland can't afford one of these giants) landed and took off from Dublin today and yesterday. We were also treated to the sight of Chinooks & Blackhawks yesterday....

Do you think that America is to forcefull with it's image? Or that the only Superpower is right to flaunt it's stuff?

LighterGuy

Well, lets just be honest.
America is a super-power. Ireland is not and likely never to be.

And even if its a case of showcasing its military might. Heck everyone likes to show case the goods no matter what it is. How many people like the show off the expensive car.

cgordonfreeman

Only superpower?!

Kevin Duffy

Perhaps people are too impressed with military hardware which comes from disproportionate military spending.

Will I Amnt

If you've got it flaunt it!!
I once ran through Tallaght in an Armani suit......same thing really

Yahew

cambo2008 wrote: »

If you've got it flaunt it!!
I once ran through Tallaght in an Armani suit......same thing really

Were you being chased?

murpho999

That's it.....America send this stuff over just to let us little Irish people know that they are the real power and don't think of invading.

What a load of rubbish.

This is the normal stuff that goes with the President no matter where he goes. Don't think it's done to show off, just their security procedures.

Always amazed how people perceive things and turn them into something it's not.

FatherLen

why dont you marry america

CommuterIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdOvSSWAvgI

Wicklowrider

its a wonderful thing to live in a country that doesn't need that ****e.

Chuck Stone

Like a monkey with a shotgun.






In a nice way tho.

CommuterIE

Wicklowrider wrote: »

its a wonderful thing to live in a country that doesn't need that ****e.

Don't I know it! We depend on the UK for defence!!!! FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT?

kirving

Not a Galaxy then.

Aaaanyway, all that stuff is standard for US Presidents really.

Yahew

Wicklowrider wrote: »

its a wonderful thing to live in a country that doesn't need that ****e.

We dont need it because they have it. If we were under actual threat from neighbours we would hide behind the American skirts.

FatherLen

CommuterIE wrote: »

Don't I know it! We depend on the UK for defence!!!! FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT?

when was the last time we NEEDED a military force?
and emphasis on NEEDED.

CommuterIE

FatherLen wrote: »

when was the last time we NEEDED a military force?
and emphasis on NEEDED.

We need a proud defence force of our own... money during the Celtic tiger should've built one up

Instead we have no airforce, a **** navy and an army that moans they are deaf...

end a eknny

Yahew wrote: »

We dont need it because they have it. If we were under actual threat from neighbours we would hide behind the American skirts.

maybe they will give us a hand to get rid of are neighbours once and for all. would be a pity now seen as were such good friends with the queen now

CommuterIE

Kevin Duffy wrote: »

Perhaps people are too impressed with military hardware which comes from disproportionate military spending.

Are you mad my good man? They need more spending, not less. The USA is riled by half the planet! They need to protect their interests and their current budget doesn't cut it

ejmaztec

It's great to borrow sh1tloads of money from the Chinese and show off what you bought with it.

CommuterIE

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's great to borrow sh1tloads of money from the Chinese and show off what you bought with it.

lmao, you clearly haven't a clue of economics even at a basic level....

The US government does not borrow from China or anyone else... they merely take in the taxes from businesses that do..

Yahew

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Like a monkey with a shotgun.






In a nice way tho.

Racist.

ejmaztec

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's great to borrow sh1tloads of money from the Chinese and show off what you bought with it.

Just wait 'till they want it back, in gold!

LondonIrish90

A few utility helicopters and some transport planes hardly counts as a show of force. America certainly don't do things by half though!

Oranage2

FatherLen wrote: »

when was the last time we NEEDED a military force?
and emphasis on NEEDED.

When Ballymun flats lift broke the army helped carry up peoples stuff! -

Solnskaya

CommuterIE wrote: »

lmao, you clearly haven't a clue of economics even at a basic level....

The US government does not borrow from China or anyone else... they merely take in the taxes from businesses that do..

Heh Heh Heh, REEEAAALLLY???? Heh Heh Heh.... Not really heard of Govt Bonds then, have we. Basic level, how are ya.

LondonIrish90

CommuterIE wrote: »

We need a proud defence force of our own... money during the Celtic tiger should've built one up

Instead we have no airforce, a **** navy and an army that moans they are deaf...

To be fair, Ireland has the power of the United States to the west, and the likes of Germany, France, and Britain to the east. Who would be regarded as a direct threat, or who would actively seek to battle their way through the considerable combined might of the nations mentioned in order to get to Ireland?

Unless you would like Ireland to drastically change its foreign policy and play key roles in Libya, Afghanistan and the likes? It would bring a whole host of security problems to Irish soil that couldn't be negated by a military!

Chuck Stone

Yahew wrote: »

Racist.

Yay! My first hasty racist accusation.

CommuterIE

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

To be fair, Ireland has the power of the United States to the west, and the likes of Germany, France, and Britain to the east. Who would be regarded as a direct threat, or who would actively seek to battle their way through the considerable combined might of the nations mentioned in order to get to Ireland?

Unless you would like Ireland to drastically change its foreign policy and play key roles in Libya, Afghanistan and the likes? It would bring a whole host of security problems to Irish soil that couldn't be negated by a military!

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

cml387

It's estimated that the newest American supercarrier will cost 12 billion dollars.

Ten of these would equate to the cost to Ireland of the bank bailout.

Solnskaya

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something![/QUOTE]

Not with the price of fuel what it is. They had to syphon the kero from the central heating at Baldonnel to get those 4 birdies up for the hour.

Voltex

What the hell would we want a standing army for?
TBH...Id be bloddy delighted if we were invaded and occupied.

We cant even sort ourselves during a boom..let alone a recession!!
about time we let someone else do the job.

CrackisWhack

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

Sorry but I'd rather have a job than impress the queen with fancy aeroplanes!

What planet are you on?:pac:

mike65

Whats the big deal? They need the plane to carry the limos and little chopper (for Moneygall visit that will be cancelled due to the storm on Monday) and back up vehicles. You can't carry them in a Boeing 757. The gunships are just for fun, a day out for some of lads at Mildenhal RAF air base.

Yahew

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Yay! My first hasty racist accusation.

And I didnt really mean it.

Yahew

Voltex wrote: »

What the hell would we want a standing army for?
TBH...Id be bloddy delighted if we were invaded and occupied.

We cant even sort ourselves during a boom..let alone a recession!!
about time we let someone else do the job.

The last time didnt go so well.

evercloserunion

I saw a Chinook flying fairly low over Dublin the other day. We get to see all this impressive military hardware without having to spend unfathomable millions on it, which is pretty cool.

breadandjam

FatherLen wrote: »

when was the last time we NEEDED a military force?
and emphasis on NEEDED.

During the eighties Pig smuggling along the border with NI was at an all time high costing us billions. If it wasn't for the gardai and the Army putting a stop to it we never would have had the celtic tiger.

cml387 wrote: »

It's estimated that the newest American supercarrier will cost 12 billion dollars.

Ten of these would equate to the cost to Ireland of the bank bailout.

We should get ten of them then and all sail somewhere with nicer weather- we could all be pirates!

Jeboa Safari

Voltex wrote: »

What the hell would we want a standing army for?
TBH...Id be bloddy delighted if we were invaded and occupied.

We cant even sort ourselves during a boom..let alone a recession!!
about time we let someone else do the job.

Well if people have the same sort of pride in their country as you then no wonder

Chuck Stone

Yahew wrote: »

And I didnt really mean it.

Aw

Merch

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

F16's, Eh that stuffs nearly 40 years old, I vote we should go for something. This something should be really new and expensive, preferably untried and untested, sit around for most of the time and really be of no actual use to us other than top show off to foreign dignitaries, they could have a chuckle as we borrow money off them to buy planes off them that we have no use for/no intention of using/dont understand how to use. How about we just build a load of really accurate looking mock-ups out of plywood line em up and have a drive past by dignitaries :rolleyes:.

CrackisWhack wrote: »

Sorry but I'd rather have a job than impress the queen with fancy aeroplanes!What planet are you on?:pac:

Planet unreality

Jesus Wept

Chinook sounds like a racial slur, ****ing Chinooks.

robinph

LondonIrish90 wrote: »

To be fair, Ireland has the power of the United States to the west, and the likes of Germany, France, and Britain to the east. Who would be regarded as a direct threat, or who would actively seek to battle their way through the considerable combined might of the nations mentioned in order to get to Ireland?

Unless you would like Ireland to drastically change its foreign policy and play key roles in Libya, Afghanistan and the likes? It would bring a whole host of security problems to Irish soil that couldn't be negated by a military!

Ireland would make a handy staging point for getting into Europe. That's if Italy, Spain or Turkey were decided against for some reason. It would admittedly only really be of use to somewhere like Brazil though, or China if they got really lost on the way.

rossie1977

CommuterIE wrote: »

lmao, you clearly haven't a clue of economics even at a basic level....

The US government does not borrow from China or anyone else... they merely take in the taxes from businesses that do..

the central bank of china owns over $1 trillion of us public debt

ejmaztec

CommuterIE wrote: »

lmao, you clearly haven't a clue of economics even at a basic level....

The US government does not borrow from China or anyone else... they merely take in the taxes from businesses that do..

As has already been pointed out by Rossie1977, you're wrong.

Your post shows that you've probably never heard of economics, because you're ignoring the "elephant in the room" of U.S. government securities in the hands of the Chinese.

RichieC

CommuterIE wrote: »

Are you mad my good man? They need more spending, not less. The USA is riled by half the planet! They need to protect their interests and their current budget doesn't cut it

lol....

RichieC

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

/facepalm

stop pretending to be the sensible know it all, you sound like a twonk.

Einhard

CommuterIE wrote: »

lmao, you clearly haven't a clue of economics even at a basic level....

The US government does not borrow from China or anyone else... they merely take in the taxes from businesses that do..

Umm, basic or not, you're wrong on that score...

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

People feel pride by watching a few aircraft doing a flyover? Pretty weird if you ask me. I'd much rather have free speech, live in a democracy and watch banged up old planes, than live somewhere like China and watch newfandangled military hardware which the government would have little hesitation in using against civilians should they demand free elections.

breadandjam wrote: »

During the eighties Pig smuggling along the border with NI was at an all time high costing us billions. If it wasn't for the gardai and the Army putting a stop to it we never would have had the celtic tiger.

Hahahahahahaha, billion dollar pig smuggling! That's hilarious! Not true though (it can't be, can it?:eek:)

lcrcboy

CommuterIE wrote: »

It brings a sense of pride to the people, what ****ing pride is there having a few propeller driven Irish Air Corps aircraft flying over foreign dignataries... the British Queens visit is a perfect example! They should be F16's or something!

Do you understand the price of F-16's and the like, this country could not afford them or even come up with a good reason for having them, and national pride does not count. 1 F-16 costs close to 45 million US Dollars, now for a small unit of say 12 that would cost 540 million, then you got to add in the cost of fuel which is massive and also the infrastructure needed for those aircraft

Kadongy

Wicklowrider wrote: »

its a wonderful thing to live in a country that doesn't need that ****e.

We "dont need that ****e" because other countries have "that ****e" and would protect us for political, economic and military reasons.

"One-eyed pacifism, peculiar to sheltered countries with strong navies."

Einhard

Kadongy wrote: »

We "dont need that ****e" because other countries have "that ****e" and would protect us for political, economic and military reasons.

Would they though? It's a nice thought I s'pose, and I think there is an onus on EU countries for common defence, but if the UK decided in the morn that they had enough of reconciliation and wanted the entire 32 counties again, would France or the US or anyone else really intervene militarily against a power as strong as the UK?

lcrcboy

Einhard wrote: »

Would they though? It's a nice thought I s'pose, and I think there is an onus on EU countries for common defence, but if the UK decided in the morn that they had enough of reconciliation and wanted the entire 32 counties again, would France or the US or anyone else really intervene militarily against a power as strong as the UK?

wouldn't happen we would be to huge of a cost for the UK there are not enough resources here or a big enough economy for them to make it a positive, plus they would end up dealing with guerrilla warfare all over again and we know what happen in that situation. The EU then might intervene a peace keeping force and next thing is you have something similar to Kosovo where there are to many sides all fighting. Britain knows it would be a mess they couldn't afford, sure at the moment Northern Ireland is costing them more then the territory is making.