section 21 who ordered this in our government?

caseyann

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM
I cant open the you tube videos in here so if some else can i would appreciate it thanks.

So what law and what right has anyone to stop Irish person or any nationality from carrying our colours.
Was this a political agenda or was it an insult to have tri colour in our own country because of british monarch being here.

So sorry for mess up :P fixed thanks to IAMFROZEN thanks

cabrwab

Section 21 is a public order offence, the guard wanted the flag pole not the flag, the guard makes the mistake of saying flag.
person who made video is a real life troll.


All this based on the video I'm thinking of!

Pineapple stu

Dont bother clicking on the link as it has nothing to do with the thread title.

caseyann

Pineapple stu wrote: »

Dont bother clicking on the link as it has nothing to do with the thread title.

Yes it does :rolleyes:

MagicSean

Clearly the op has no idea what Section 21 is. It gives the Gardaí power to seize anything that might be used as a weapon. The Garda wanted the flag as she thought it was connected to the flag pole. When she realised it wasn't she just took the pole. Simple really.

Iwasfrozen

caseyann wrote: »

Yes it does :rolleyes:

lol, I'm afraid you've been had girl . That link to the youtube video of Rebecca black's single "Friday". Here's the real link to the video if you want to edit it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM

Pineapple stu

I stopped watching when i found out it was just someone singing a song and not a good one at that.

Wolfe Tone

Casey you have sullied and forever tarnished the politics forum with that video


Is Rebecca Black the new rick roll?

caseyann

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

lol, I'm afraid you've been had girl . That link to the youtube video of Rebecca black's single "Friday". Here's the real link to the video if you want to edit it in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM

Oops thanks lol how did that happen :eek::o

caseyann

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Casey you have sullied and forever tarnished the politics forum with that video


Is Rebecca Black the new rick roll?

Tá brón orm mo chára
Translation i am sorry my friend.

later12

I think caseyann is ♫ looking forward to the weekend ♫.

caseyann

cabrwab wrote: »

Section 21 is a public order offence, the guard wanted the flag pole not the flag, the guard makes the mistake of saying flag.
person who made video is a real life troll.


All this based on the video I'm thinking of!

There was no pole in the flag and the garda made hasty retreat.
And if after the pole what would that do break the queens car or maime her :eek:

Whats was the rule for belts and bag buckles etc?....

Such an uninspiring performance by that female garda.

Fair enough, she meant the flagpole, why not come out and say it without making such a muddle of it all.

The harded scum of Dublin must be living in fear of her authoritative presence

Fuzzy Clam

Maybe, just maybe, the Garda thought the flag was attached to the pole, hence her asking for the flag
That woman was a drama queen anyway, stating that she was going to be arrested when there was no mention of an arrest.

K-9

We don't know if the flag was attached to the pole but it does seem the pole existed as they did indeed confiscate the pole.

It seems she did make a mistake as the older Guard corrects her.

From watching it the Guards seem to be doing their over all job well, very friendly and with no attitude, unlike the person who took the video.

Wolfe Tone

Why did they insist on taking that flimsy flagpole but not the metal stand(which could do serious damage!) that the camera was on? Did the football fans in Dublin have their flagpoles taken?

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Why did they insist on taking that flimsy flagpole but not the metal stand(which could do serious damage!) that the camera was on? Did the football fans in Dublin have their flagpoles taken?

It looked like a mobile phone to me.

What metal stand?

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

It looked like a mobile phone to me.

What metal stand?

I was told that the camera was on a kinda tripod thing

Technoprisoner

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

Clearly the op has no idea what Section 21 is. It gives the Gardaí power to seize anything that might be used as a weapon. The Garda wanted the flag as she thought it was connected to the flag pole. When she realised it wasn't she just took the pole. Simple really.

you sure about that? http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0021.html

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I was told that the camera was on a kinda tripod thing

Well it is hardly stationary. If there was it looks like it was behind the police line.

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

Well it is hardly stationary. If there was it looks like it was behind the police line.

No, you don't understand, she was carrying a tripod with a camera on it, which would explain why the cops aren't all like "wtf" as they would be if she was shoving a phone in their faces.

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

No, you don't understand, she was carrying a tripod with a camera on it, which would explain why the cops aren't all like "wtf" as they would be if she was shoving a phone in their faces.

There is no evidence of a tripod on the video at all. The video is very up and down.

I presume it's an awkward thing to carry around?

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

There is no evidence of a tripod on the video at all. The video is very up and down.

I presume it's an awkward thing to carry around?

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

K-9

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

There is no sign of the tripod at all. Look I'm trying to be as objective as possible. The female or "ban" Garda in the old days got it wrong, the older Guard corrects her.

One Guard got it wrong but was polite and corteous about it, it isn't a conspiracy.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Wolfe Tone

K-9 wrote: »

There is no sign of the tripod at all. Look I'm trying to be as objective as possible. The female or "ban" Garda in the old days got it wrong, the older Guard corrects her.

One Guard got it wrong but was polite and corteous about it, it isn't a conspiracy.

Stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

Its not that complicated, she has the monopod grasped in one hand while she walks. The camera is on top of the monopod. Thats why it bobs but is also quite stable. A member of boards was witness to the incident, should I ask him if she had a monopod?

Fair enough, but if flimsy flag poles are such a danger and must be confiscated why not the monopod?

I'm not saying its a conspiracy or anything, I just find the discrepancy strange.

swordofislam

Come on lads you can't eat a flag!

Killer Pigeon

Section 21 (2) of the Criminal Justic (Public Order) Act, 1994

21. – (2) Where a barrier has been erected in accordance with subsection (1), a member of the Garda Síochana in uniform may by oral or manual direction or by exhibition of any notice or sign, or any combination thereof—

(a) Divert person generally or particularly and whether in or on vehicles or on foot to another means of access to the event, including a means of access to that event on foot only, or

(b) Where possession of a ticket is required for entrance to the event, prohibit a person whether in or on vehicles or on foot from crossing or passing the barrier towards the event where the person has no such ticket, or

(c) Indicate that to proceed beyond the barrier while in possession of any intoxicating liquor, disposable drinks container or offensive article will render such liquor, container or article liable to confiscation.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1994/en/act/pub/0002/sec0021.html

So basically, it doesn't matter what it is. If the Garda believes that the flag could be regarded as an offensive article he/she can confiscate it. Funnily enough, the person who put up the video banned me from commenting on the video after I pointed this and observing that she just wanted to cause trouble, aggravate the situation and make some sort of vague "protest" - ironic I find seeing as she would prefer to see herself as a champion of free speak and expression. :rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone

How on earth can this countries flag be deemed offensive?

swordofislam

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

. If the Garda believes that the flag could be regarded as an offensive article he/she can confiscate it.

Quite right Killer Pigeon what could be more offensive than that symbol of terrorism? Ireland has a new flag an arrangement of red, blue and white crosses. The test in this matter can't be completely subjective that's ad hoc law.

Liam Byrne

caseyann wrote: »

There was no pole in the flag and the garda made hasty retreat.
And if after the pole what would that do break the queens car or maime her :eek:

Whats was the rule for belts and bag buckles etc?....

If the pole wasn't in the flag, what was the troublemaker doing with the pole?

And the same lying cow screamed that she was being arrested!

Lying ****-stirring tramp!!

Whatever about genuine people protesting, idiots like that should be escorted to the nearest ferry!

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I had to go throw a load of crap in the comments section to dig this out(I hate youtube). It's a comment from the uploader.

"To all the trolls the flag was hanging out of my pocket and not attached to the stick it came with which I would have been happy to give them if they had asked .The video clearly shows the Gárda saying that the flag is banned .My camera was attached to a 6 ft monopod made of steel .they did not ask for that ."

She openly lies about being arrested in the video and yet you still believe a post of hers?

Ridiculous!

sdanseo

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How on earth can this countries flag be deemed offensive?

Well, theoretically it could be regarded as an instrument, the excessive presence of which in the context of a visit by the Queen of England, could be seen as liable to incite disruption or protest.

In reality, however, it seems the flag was not confiscated so your abhorrence becomes redundant

Killer Pigeon

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

How on earth can this countries flag be deemed offensive?

swordofislam wrote: »

Quite right Killer Pigeon what could be more offensive than that symbol of terrorism? Ireland has a new flag an arrangement of red, blue and white crosses. The test in this matter can't be completely subjective that's ad hoc law.

Maybe you're misunderstanding the Gardaí's interpretation of "offensive article". A potential weapon such as a flagpole can be described as an "offensive article". If I had a t-shirt with an Irish flag or a Union Jack printed on it, I doubt that the Gardaí would have a problem with it.

Killer Pigeon

I'd also like to point out that 01:12 in the video, the Ban Garda clearly says "I'm taking the flagpole", the man with the long brown hair acknowledges this, even though the person who edits the video say in the subtitles "the flag is not attached to a pole", funnily enough at 01:19 we see the Ban-Garda walk off with a white stick (pole) in her left hand. Why would someone be walking around with a flagpole and a flag that are not attacked to each other? Also there is no evidence in the video of I tripod. It's very hard to believe the person who made the video - it's obvious be made the video with the intention of causing trouble.

KeithAFC

You see flags on poles up here all the time. Is this just a rule under law in the Republic or something?

Wolfe Tone

KeithAFC wrote: »

You see flags on poles up here all the time. Is this just a rule under law in the Republic or something?

Keith its just ridiculous, the Garda were told to confiscate flagpoles, yet metal poles for cameras are fine, why is this?

Killer Pigeon

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Keith its just ridiculous, the Garda were told to confiscate flagpoles, yet metal poles for cameras are fine, why is this?

There's not proof in this video that the woman has a metal pole for her camera.

Fittle

I am astounded that this thread has 37 replies to a youtube video that was filmed very obviously by a troll, to garnish support for the thuggery of the minority while the queen was here.:rolleyes: Neither that video, nor this thread, have anything to do with section 21 and everything to do with those who tried to cause trouble all week:rolleyes:

PomBear

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

There's not proof in this video that the woman has a metal pole for her camera.

I know people who went up and had tricolours taken and they didn't have poles. So if she had the tripod or not is a moot point, questions need to be as to why the tricolour is deemed an section 21 offence.

Trampas

It is obvious the person behind the video was looking to cause trouble.

tfitzgerald

The ban Garda did look to confiscate the flag but when she backtracked and looked for the pole. In her defence she was very nice and polite I think she should be left alone. Also the Garda had to deal with a lot of scumbags during the week so this might have had her on edge

Liam Byrne

Fittle wrote: »

I am astounded that this thread has 37 replies to a youtube video that was filmed very obviously by a troll, to garnish support for the thuggery of the minority while the queen was here.:rolleyes: Neither that video, nor this thread, have anything to do with section 21 and everything to do with those who tried to cause trouble all week:rolleyes:

Precisely!

Considering the video has been so firmly discredited - not least by the star herself lying on the video about being "arrested" :rolleyes: - it's hard to believe that anyone not involved could view it as post-worthy or use it as evidence of anything other than "some people will do anything to cause trouble and will even make themselves look thick by filming themselves lying"

It does make me wonder how many people could possibly believe this rubbish, which means that we should probably "take a pole"

Wolfe Tone

Its not a moot point, it means that there was deliberate targeting of the national flag while actual weapons such as a metal pole were not taken. It flies in the face of thosewho claim that the poles are taken because they are weapons.

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Look at the video, the camera is at head height. Are you saying the woman held the camera at head height the entire time and shoved it in the face of the coppers? Or is it more likely, (I will track down the poster who saw the event and ask him too) that she was grasping a pole/monopod (as she claims!) hence why the camera is so high? You try holding a camera phone above your head or at eye level for that period of time while keeping the footage as stable as it is.

Wolfe Tone

Fittle wrote: »

I am astounded that this thread has 37 replies to a youtube video that was filmed very obviously by a troll, to garnish support for the thuggery of the minority while the queen was here.:rolleyes: Neither that video, nor this thread, have anything to do with section 21 and everything to do with those who tried to cause trouble all week:rolleyes:

On the contrary it seems the woman is one of those people who goes around pointing out how she perceives civil liberties are being taken away.

Nice try linking her with the protesters, but I see no evidence that she is a republican.

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

On the contrary it seems the woman is one of those people who goes around pointing out how she perceives civil liberties are being taken away.

Nice try linking her with the protesters, but I see no evidence that she is a republican.

She ran around a street falsely claiming she was being arrested!

Civil liberties my arse - she just wanted to create a scene no matter what.

Troublemaker/attention-seeker. No logical argument for anything otherwise.

Yitzhak Rabin

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Its not a moot point, it means that there was deliberate targeting of the national flag while actual weapons such as a metal pole were not taken. It flies in the face of thosewho claim that the poles are taken because they are weapons.

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Look at the video, the camera is at head height. Are you saying the woman held the camera at head height the entire time and shoved it in the face of the coppers? Or is it more likely, (I will track down the poster who saw the event and ask him too) that she was grasping a pole/monopod (as she claims!) hence why the camera is so high? You try holding a camera phone above your head or at eye level for that period of time while keeping the footage as stable as it is.

For God sake cop on will ya...

Its obvious what happened. The order was given that flagpoles (something you would expect to be brought to a rally) were to be taken as the didn't want protesters who have a track record of thuggery having a stick to hit people with. So gardaí were briefed that morning to confiscate flagpoles. This young female guard got the order wrong and thought she had to take flags. Simple mistake and she was corrected, and took the flagpole instead.

They didn't take the tripod (something you wouldn't necessarily have expected to encounter), as presumably they weren't briefed to confiscate all tripods, and just followed their orders.

Not everything is an anti republican conspiracy. :rolleyes:

Wolfe Tone

Liam Byrne wrote: »

She ran around a street falsely claiming she was being arrested!

Civil liberties my arse - she just wanted to create a scene no matter what.

Troublemaker/attention-seeker. No logical argument for anything otherwise.

I said how she perceives her civil liberties are being infringed on. I agree, she was looking for that to happen, but that does not mean her video is irrelevant or unworthy of debate.

Wolfe Tone

yekahS wrote: »

For God sake cop on will ya...

Its obvious what happened. The order was given that flagpoles (something you would expect to be brought to a rally) were to be taken as the didn't want protesters who have a track record of thuggery having a stick to hit people with. So gardaí were briefed that morning to confiscate flagpoles. This young female guard got the order wrong and thought she had to take flags. Simple mistake and she was corrected, and took the flagpole instead.

They didn't take the tripod (something you wouldn't necessarily have expected to encounter), as presumably they weren't briefed to confiscate all tripods, and just followed their orders.

Not everything is an anti republican conspiracy. :rolleyes:

So they were deliberately told to target the national flag then.

Yitzhak Rabin

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So they were deliberately told to target the national flag then.

Flagpoles. People kept their flags.

Ever go to a concert or a match at croke park?

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I said how she perceives her civil liberties are being infringed on. I agree, she was looking for that to happen, but that does not mean her video is irrelevant or unworthy of debate.

If she even remotely had a case she wouldn't have needed to lie. She knew well that no civil liberties were being infringed on.

Liam Byrne

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

So they were deliberately told to target the national flag then.

Sigh! For that to be true they would have been allowing UK flags on flagpoles through. Which clearly wasn't the case.