Atheists and The Angelus

Mistress 69

Atheists and The Angelus

Quote Taken from atheist ireland
“In August, on the 60th anniversary of the Angelus on RTE, we had a high profile media campaign on the need to remove the Angelus. We have since entered into correspondence with the new Director General of RTE on this issue.”

Why is there any need to remove the Angelus? What gives the atheist community any right to even try to do so. Who the hell do they think they are? They must be out of their minds(1) if they think they will succeed in that endeavour. Seems to me that they only try to do so on Catholic turf. I mean let’s get real here, when is the last time we saw any atheists trying to enforce their wishes around The Mosque in Clonskeagh? They would do well to remember that this is a Catholic country that welcomes all, and at least try to behave as reasonable people. Hope RTE tells them where to get off....HOORAH!:p


(1) I tried not to use inflammatory words such as mini brains as I did before.

Delirium

RTE news is really falling behind in the stories if it doesn't realise there'll be no need for the angelus after tomorrow :P

MagicMarker

Not this AGAIN!!!

opinion guy

Lol I saw this thread title and reached for my popcorn:D

Mistress 69 wrote: »

this is a Catholic country

Things change

strobe

Thread done lots.

If you are genuinely interested Mistress (heh, now that would be a shock) then those threads above have this covered in detail. Glad to be of assistance.

kylith

Mss. 69, you would be ok with your licence fee being used to record a muslim call to prayer 5 times a day, and whatever other religions wanted to have a daily prayer, I assume.

This is not a Catholic country any longer. In order to be fair RTE should either cater to every religion or none. Frankly I would like my money to go into programming rather than religious nonsense. If you're so worried about missing 6pm I advise that you set your alarm clock.

Zillah

This is a well constructed troll. Genuine but tired issue, clear misunderstanding of the facts, pre-emptive stawmanning of responses, ignorance of secularism, passive-aggressive tone...

Nice.

Doctor DooM

Zillah wrote: »

This is a well constructed troll. Genuine but tired issue, clear misunderstanding of the facts, pre-emptive stawmanning of responses, ignorance of secularism, passive-aggressive tone...

Nice.

I believe someone pointed this out to the OP in their last troll thread, good to see her learning.

opinion guy

Doctor DooM wrote: »

I believe someone pointed this out to the OP in their last troll thread, good to see her learning.

Welcome to Troll Academy OP

pH

SuperInfinity

No I agree with the Angelus staying on. Anything the public want has a right to being on tv.

It's how public television works, if enough people want it, it gets put on. If there were enough muslim people who would like a programme on, they would put that on. It's about demand.

Anyone who wants to take the Angelus off the air is just pretentious.

The Mad Hatter

SuperInfinity wrote: »

No I agree with the Angelus staying on. Anything the public want has a right to being on tv.

It's how public television works, if enough people want it, it gets put on. If there were enough muslim people who would like a programme on, they would put that on. It's about demand.

Anyone who wants to take the Angelus off the air is just pretentious.

...What exactly do you think the word pretentious means?

strobe

SuperInfinity wrote: »

It's how public television works, if enough people want it, it gets put on. If there were enough muslim people who would like a programme on, they would put that on. It's about demand.

It would be interesting to see the viewership figures it get's and what viewership figures it would get if it wasn't on immediately before the RTE flagship news programme. Just in terms of the demand thing like. I'm pretty sure I could get reasonably good viewership for a show with me wearing a funny hat and telling knock knock jokes for 60 seconds if I got RTE to run it the minute immediately preceding The Late Late Show every Friday.

Anyone who wants to take the Angelus off the air is just pretentious.

What are they pretending to be exactly? People that don't want the angelus to be on tv? Are you sure they are only pretending?

bnt

I can't say I'm too bothered personally - what's a minute? - but it's unconstitutional. It's a violation of Article 44 (2) (2°) of the Constitution of the Republic of Ireland, which reads "the State guarantees not to endow any religion". RTÉ air time costs money, so giving the Catholic Church air time for free is an "endowment". It's as simple as that, and it would not be tolerated in e.g. the USA with their activist lawyers, but things like that tend to slide in this little country.

Zillah

SuperInfinity wrote: »

No I agree with the Angelus staying on. Anything the public want has a right to being on tv.

It's how public television works, if enough people want it, it gets put on. If there were enough muslim people who would like a programme on, they would put that on. It's about demand.

Anyone who wants to take the Angelus off the air is just pretentious.

Do you know what secularism is? Do you know why it is important?

EDIT: Typo

Galvasean

bnt wrote: »

I can't say I'm too bothered personally - what's a minute? - but it's unconstitutional. It's a violation of Article 44 (2) (2°) of the Constitution of the Republic of Ireland, which reads "the State guarantees not to endow any religion". RTÉ air time costs money, so giving the Catholic Church air time for free is an "endowment". It's as simple as that, and it would not be tolerated in e.g. the USA with their activist lawyers, but things like that tend to slide in this little country.

I agree with you 100%. I don't really mind it. In fact in my house the ringing bells are like an alarm indicating that the news is imminent!
But like you said, it is not technically constitutional.

SuperInfinity

strobe wrote: »

What are they pretending to be exactly? People that don't want the angelus to be on tv? Are you sure they are only pretending?

Pretentious about their purely atheistic stance. A mature and truly enlightened person does not persecute people based on their beliefs.

What about Keith Barry's shows? Some people believe in him, should RTE say that no, we won't allow that, because it's a supernatural thing? No, because if people watch it then it should be allowed on.

It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not. Your opinion on it doesn't matter, just like your opinion on whether Home and Away should be on doesn't matter.

Otherwise you are no better than the people who want/wanted to ban overly violent movies, ban all sex, etc. You're in the same boat with them. You're on a sort of "crusade" for atheism like the christians used to go on their crusades before. It is just a waste of time and hurting the rights of others based on what they believe.

I don't believe in the Angelus but want it on. Who are you to say that based on what someone believes they should or shouldn't be allowed to have something?

liamw

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Otherwise you are no better than the people who want/wanted to ban overly violent movies, ban all sex, etc. You're in the same boat with them. You're on a sort of "crusade" for atheism like the christians used to go on their crusades before. It is just a waste of time and hurting the rights of others.

You must be a troll...

bnt wrote:

It's a violation of Article 44 (2) (2°) of the Constitution of the Republic of Ireland, which reads "the State guarantees not to endow any religion".

Galvasean

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Pretentious about their purely atheistic stance. A mature and truly enlightened person does not persecute people based on their beliefs.

Wanting to take away one group's preferential treatment and treat everyone equally is not persecution...

SuperInfinity

Galvasean wrote: »

I agree with you 100%. I don't really mind it. In fact in my house the ringing bells are like an alarm indicating that the news is imminent!
But like you said, it is not technically constitutional.

But RTE isn't endorsing it by putting it on. They're not saying: "This is the Angelus, let us all now pray to the Lord our God".

liamw

SuperInfinity wrote: »

But RTE isn't endorsing it by putting it on. They're not saying: "This is the Angelus, let us all now pray to the Lord our God".

They are endorsing one religion over another.

Galvasean

SuperInfinity wrote: »

But RTE isn't endorsing it by putting it on. They're not saying: "This is the Angelus, let us all now pray to the Lord our God".

The Angelus says just that... It's a call to prayer for Catholics!

SuperInfinity

Galvasean wrote: »

Wanting to take away one group's preferential treatment and treat everyone equally is not persecution...

There is no "preferential treatment", except in so much as there's "preferential treatment" every time a programme comes on that not everyone enjoys equally.

If there is a football match on, is this preferential treatment to football supporters? If Friends is on, is this preferential treatment to people who like that show? No.... preferential treatment does not occur in this context. Indeed, preferential or discriminatory treatment would only occur if many people want to watch a programme, but were not allowed to do so because of their beliefs or the type of programme it was.

SuperInfinity

liamw wrote: »

They are endorsing one religion over another.

Not really, they put it on as a public service. They would put muslim's call to prayer on if there was a big enough demand for it.

dvpower

SuperInfinity wrote: »

What about Keith Barry's shows? Some people believe in him, should RTE say that no, we won't allow that, because it's a supernatural thing? No, because if people watch it then it should be allowed on.

Whenever I hear Keith Barry being interviewed, he is at pains to point out that what he does isn't supernatural.
So if people still believe that its a supernatural thing, I think its fair to point out the truth (that they are idiots)

Galvasean

Either I'm being trolled or I'm being debated by an idiot. I don't fancy either. All of this has been covered in previous threads that have been linked to already.
I'm out. Enjoy the weekend.

bnt

The language in the Constitution is not "endorse", it's "endow":

endow (ɪnˈdaʊ) — vb
1. to provide with or bequeath a source of permanent income
2. ( usually foll by with ) to provide (with qualities, characteristics, etc)
3. obsolete to provide with a dower

[C14: from Old French endouer, from en- 1 + douer , from Latin dōtāre, from dōs dowry]

"endow." Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition. HarperCollins Publishers. 20 May. 2011. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/endow>.

Put it this way: if the Church paid tax, they could be taxed on the "benefit in kind" that they accrue through all that free air time. I may not be a lawyer, but you don't need to be to understand a bit of the Constitution. And I'm not even Irish, either.

Squarewave

As a bell-ringing enthusiast and an atheist, I'm torn on this issue.

Zillah

SuperInfinity wrote: »

There is no "preferential treatment", except in so much as there's "preferential treatment" every time a programme comes on that not everyone enjoys equally.

If there is a football match on, is this preferential treatment to football supporters? If Friends is on, is this preferential treatment to people who like that show? No.... preferential treatment does not occur in this context. Indeed, preferential or discriminatory treatment would only occur if many people want to watch a programme, but were not allowed to do so because of their beliefs or the type of programme it was.

Your brain is completely defective.

Dades

Mistress 69 wrote: »

Quote Taken from atheist ireland

Let's get one thing straight - the Boards A&A forum IS NOT aligned with Atheist Ireland.

Yes, there we share common members and some of us share certain ideals but we don't have to answer for every initiative or campaign they engage in.

I, like other atheists on this thread, don't give a rat's ass about the angelus.

That is all.

DeVore

Showing Soccer IS preferential treatment for Soccer fans. Personally I hate it as a stupid waste of tax payers money.

Where your analogy breaks down is that such preferential treatment is not forbidden by our constitution.

DeV.