I'm thinking of becoming a Scientologist

enfant terrible

They seem like such positive people.

They are the authorities on the mind, drug rehabilitation, improving conditions, criminal rehabilitation, peace and uniting cultures and car crashes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

scooby2791

Lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol.

J. Marston

Sounds like they've already got you.

KylieWyley

"And if you just give us your account details, we'll start you on the path to spiritual enlightenment . . ."

Yakult

Do you have much money? They will gladly take it all from you if you do.

ballsymchugh

just make me a cup of tea before you go.

Karona

You should read this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complex:_An_Insider_Exposes_the_Covert_World_of_the_Church_of_Scientology

Fallschirmjager

i dont know about you but tom cruise definitely sells it for me...

isnt he like number 2 in charge now?

wonder when it make him taller...i guess that is just another couple of million

OutlawPete

When Biggins wakes up, you're fcuked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwctlz4zCmE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCxI1Gl1SXg

Forest Master

J. Marston wrote: »

Sounds like they've already got you.

I think he's being sarcastic.

krudler

Its no more batsh1t crazy than the other major religions. An interplanetary warlord hiding nuclear bombs in volcanos? well thats just utterly insane, give me virgin births, talking snakes, 72 virgins, all of mankind descending from 2 people,american indians being lost jews, the world coming into existence in a week and malevolant sky wizards.

New religions have to hit the ground running with the crazy to be able to keep up with the older ones, once you've got a belief system where a man talks to god via a burning bush you've got to go all out to get people interested.

krudler

krudler wrote: »

Its no more batsh1t crazy than the other major religions. An interplanetary warlord hiding nuclear bombs in volcanos? well thats just utterly insane, give me virgin births, talking snakes, 72 virgins, all of mankind descending from 2 people,american indians being lost jews, the world coming into existence in a week and malevolant sky wizards.

New religions have to hit the ground running with the crazy to be able to keep up with the older ones, once you've got a belief system where a man talks to god via a burning bush you've got to go all out to get people interested.

How about a cosmic Jew who was his own father by a virgin who can enable you to live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from something invisible called your soul that is present because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree.

Da Shins Kelly

Sure, go for it. They won't rob you and fool you any more than any other religion.

krudler

Zahir Salmon Catfish wrote: »

How about a cosmic Jew who was his own father by a virgin who can enable you to live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from something invisible called your soul that is present because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat an apple from a magical tree.

not to mention that whole supreme creator who routinely wipes cities off the face of the earth, murders newborn children, floods the world he created for the lulz,demands human sacrifice in his name to test faith and just generally acts like a cnut for most of the old testament.

baalthor

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Sure, go for it. They won't rob you and fool you any more than any other religion.

The allegation is that they WILL rob you more than the others ...

Da Shins Kelly

baalthor wrote: »

The allegation is that they WILL rob you more than the others ...

THe Catholic Church has to be one of the richest institutions on earth, infinitely more wealthy than the Church of Scientology. They've been robbing people for centuries. They used to 'sell' places in heaven, for f*ck sake.

Wibbs

krudler wrote: »

not to mention that whole supreme creator who routinely wipes cities off the face of the earth, murders newborn children, floods the world he created for the lulz,demands human sacrifice in his name to test faith and just generally acts like a cnut for most of the old testament.

This is the part I never got, even as a child. When people go on about being close to god, I'm thinking WTF why would you want to be close to this guy? He's a murderous unpredictable psychopath in need of constant ego massage. If you were dreaming up the devil you couldn't go far wrong using him as a template. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil

Wibbs

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

THe Catholic Church has to be one of the richest institutions on earth, infinitely more wealthy than the Church of Scientology. They've been robbing people for centuries. They used to 'sell' places in heaven, for f*ck sake.

Funny enough they were nearly broke at the end of the 19th century after the loss of the Papal states.

krudler

Wibbs wrote: »

This is the part I never got, even as a child. When people go on about being close to god, I'm thinking WTF why would you want to be close to this guy? He's a murderous unpredictable psychopath in need of constant ego massage. If you were dreaming up the devil you couldn't go far wrong using him as a template. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil

but he loves us...

longshanks

krudler wrote: »

but he loves us...

... And Fritzl loved his kids. Regularly.

Saila

sorry no, you cant use thinking and scientologist in that sentance, its either "Im becoming a scientologist" or "Im thinking" you cant have both

Phoenix Park

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Sure, go for it. They won't rob you and fool you any more than any other religion.

and to the best of my knowledge they aren't big on raping young boys and girls either.
I think you could do worse. Might join myself actually.

Biggins

OutlawPete wrote: »

When Biggins wakes up, you're fcuked.

If I thought the guy was serious, I'd be around to his residence to slap some kop-on on his head! :pac:

Saila

wow I actually thought cruise had an OUNCE of acting ability, but it turns out he is just playing himself in all those movies after watching that. It was like a mix of jerry maguire, the guy from mission impossible, the colour of money and top gun

Hookah

Wibbs wrote: »

This is the part I never got, even as a child. When people go on about being close to god, I'm thinking WTF why would you want to be close to this guy? He's a murderous unpredictable psychopath in need of constant ego massage. If you were dreaming up the devil you couldn't go far wrong using him as a template. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_as_the_Devil

I prefer the Gnostic cosmology myself, in which Yahweh is a jealous deceiver, intent on keeping humanity from true spirituality.

Makes more sense.

Leeg17

Na na na na na Na na na LEADER

Catari Jaguar

You're "thinking"?

You can say good bye to that once you become a scientologist.

Saila

Leeg17 wrote: »

Na na na na na Na na na LEADER

"remember your free to leave at anytime"

*stands up*

"can we ask why you want to leave?"

*sits back down*

Biggins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7EEOMbBIO8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Enough said.

bnt

South Park can lampoon Scientology with impunity, but you won't see even the slightest oblique reference to them on The Simpsons, because Bart would lose his voice. Nancy Cartwright is a long-standing Scientologist, and is currently campaigning for her Scientology-inspired book to be used in Illinois schools. The book, called "Good Choices", is about building "character" in students, but she denies it's an attempt to teach Scientology in schools:

Cartwright’s “Good Choices” program — which she has said is based on the book “The Way to Happiness” by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard — was among the curricula a House resolution would have encouraged Illinois teachers to use to fulfill the state requirement that character education be taught. Opening in the voice of her cartoon alter ego, Cartwright touted her program despite knowing the resolution’s sponsor, Rep. Dan Burke (D-Chicago), would be stripping out a reference to it after questions surfaced about its link to Scientology.

We know how Scientology operates, including the way Hubbard considered it entirely legitimate to cheat and lie to non-Scientologists, as long as it furthers the aims of Scientology. This is how they get things done - but it looks like it's not going to work in this case, thankfully. :rolleyes:

Fukuyama

I have little respect for anyone who believes in any kind of God (witchdoctor, fairies, whatever) these days.

holystungun9

Leeg17 wrote: »

Na na na na na Na na na LEADER

I for one, welcome our Church of Scientology overlords, especially the ones from Azerbaijan.

krudler

bnt wrote: »

South Park can lampoon Scientology with impunity, but you won't see even the slightest oblique reference to them on The Simpsons, because Bart would lose his voice. Nancy Cartwright is a long-standing Scientologist, and is currently campaigning for her Scientology-inspired book to be used in Illinois schools. The book, called "Good Choices", is about building "character" in students, but she denies it's an attempt to teach Scientology in schools:

We know how Scientology operates, including the way Hubbard considered it entirely legitimate to cheat and lie to non-Scientologists, as long as it furthers the aims of Scientology. This is how they get things done - but it looks like it's not going to work in this case, thankfully. :rolleyes:

the Leader episode is one massive dig at cults and scientology, although its years old so I'm not sure if Cartright was one back then

mconigol

enfant terrible wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0

What???

Biggins

mconigol wrote: »

What???

He's a fcuking loon, a space cadet without a brain and spaceship.
Pay Cruise no heed. Thankfully more and more people are learning he's off his rocker and subsequently not willing to give up their hard earned money just so that he can give it away to bigger nutjobs, murders and robbers.

mconigol

Biggins wrote: »

He's a fcuking loon, a space cadet without a brain and spaceship.
Pay Cruise no heed. Thankfully more and more people are learning he's off his rocker and subsequently not willing to give up their hard earned money just so that he can give it away to bigger nutjobs, murders and robbers.

Oh....I gathered that much!

Feel sorry for his poor wife and kid though.

Biggins

mconigol wrote: »

Oh....I gathered that much!

Feel sorry for his poor wife and kid though.

Yea, everywhere they go, there is Scientology 'minders' two steps behind them!

mconigol

Biggins wrote: »

Yea, everywhere they go, there is Scientology 'minders' two steps behind them!

That's nice. Looking out for their own like that. Maybe I've misjudged them?

Saila

Biggins wrote: »

Yea, everywhere they go, there is Scientology 'minders' two steps behind them!

ah you're stalking has run into a brick wall eh? look at it as a challenge though, chin up my man!

Biggins

Saila wrote: »

ah you're stalking has run into a brick wall eh? look at it as a challenge though, chin up my man!

I know.
I'm trying to catch up with them, to hit them with a bottle of "Kop the fcuk on!" but they escape my clutches every time.

Biggins

mconigol wrote: »

That's nice. Looking out for their own like that. Maybe I've misjudged them?

No, you haven't.

mconigol

Biggins wrote: »

No, you haven't.

I don't know. It would be nice to have a minder.

I get so lonely sometimes.






















......wait that's how it starts isn't it!

krudler

Biggins wrote: »

He's a fcuking loon, a space cadet without a brain and spaceship.
Pay Cruise no heed. Thankfully more and more people are learning he's off his rocker and subsequently not willing to give up their hard earned money just so that he can give it away to bigger nutjobs, murders and robbers.

and yet I still like him as an actor, and people rarely have a bad word to say about him regarding his behaviour on set, always professional and approachable apparently, mad beliefs aside, its kinda hard to accept famous people you like are kinda crazy, like Mel Gibson, great charm, huge charisma, good actor, mental case.

Biggins

krudler wrote: »

and yet I still like him as an actor, and people rarely have a bad word to say about him regarding his behaviour on set, always professional and approachable apparently, mad beliefs aside, its kinda hard to accept famous people you like are kinda crazy, like Mel Gibson, great charm, huge charisma, good actor, mental case.

Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot (to mention just three) were also nice people too supposedly up close and at times.
While the above are in a complete different league as regards their activities, pleasant personality does not mean they are 'solid blokes'.
It just sadly means they are good at window-dressing their oft times nutty ideas and ideologies behind an cover appearance of nice normality.

bnt

krudler wrote: »

the Leader episode is one massive dig at cults and scientology, although its years old so I'm not sure if Cartright was one back then

I forgot about that one, though I have seen it. After a little more reading I get the impression that the cults it references are more explicitly "cults" e.g. Jim Jones' outfit. Nancy Cartwright has been a Scientologist since about 1989 (I read), but I doubt she thinks she's in a cult, so I guess she wouldn't see much in that episode to offend her directly. :rolleyes:

According to the author of The Gospel According to the Simpsons (referenced here) another episode was going to spoof Scientology more directly, but it got vetoed, and Matt Groening went on to have a go at them in Futurama (with the "Church of Robotology")

7sr2z3fely84g5

bnt wrote: »

South Park can lampoon Scientology with impunity, but you won't see even the slightest oblique reference to them on The Simpsons, because Bart would lose his voice

Well,south park did loose voice actor of chef who was a scientolgist,simpsons should end for its own sake its so awful now,i felt sorry for the bbc reporter who tried to cover it,9.28 he looses his temper finally-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-rM6vA5BVE

Flukey

Typical Scientologist Recruiter: "Did you know that according to Einstein that we only use 10% of our brains?"

Reply: "Yes, and if only 1% of mine worked I'd still know to keep away from you guys."

************************

Typical Scientologist Recruiter: "Would you like a free personality test?"

Reply: "It's already clean."

Typical Scientologist Recruiter: "Pardon?"

Reply: "My brain; so I don't need it washed by you!"

Griffen262

Ara sure, They're a great bunch of lads all the same..

LighterGuy

Now I am normally one to respect the beliefs of others. As who the hell am I to say otherwise...

However, with facts things change. Scientology was founded by a science fiction writer who was once arrested for fraud. Religion and fraud seem to be two words that match together in the current world we live in.

But to dig deeper into their beliefs about aliens and "our souls" I can without a doubt say this "religion" is a cult. Nothing more, nothing less. Albeit a powerful cult you'll sue you for anything negitive you say against them.

LighterGuy

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The only real difference between scientology and most other religions is it's new and people can see that the people who started it are scammers/idiots/both.

They're all cults IMO.

Thats the thing.
Because its new anyone with any sense can see through it.
As for "established" religions... well, who am I or anyone else to dispute someone elses beliefs. Even if the same logic can be applied.

Chad ghostal

probably not the place to post it, but thought this was very interesting:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright?currentPage=all

It's Paul Haggis's (Writer/Director - crash, the next three days, million dollar baby etc) account of his time as a Scientologist.
It gives the reasons people are attracted to it, as well as the bad stuff everybody hears about..