Due in court please advise.

ollib1984

Right first off, im not a scumbag, never been arrested no record. I thought I was being smart.

I have an umber of parking fines and no tax fines for my car, new the gards would come looking, so switched my address phone numbers and never registered them with anything since i did this. heard they knocked into my family home in wexford last wek im in dublin now.

My logic was i will be in england australia soon, if not they cant find me so cant summonce me which seems to be the case. they have no details for me at all whatsoever.

My thinking wass also u cannot serve bench warrants for minor offences which is what these are.

:O

im point blank not paying btw because i am saving my money to leave and a few of the fines were incorrect and the civil servant usual rubbish refused to even listen to this, so i said to myself feck yas! this craphole, i would spend a week in jail if i had too to avoid paying them.
no chance.

my plan is quite clever though no?

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

Right first off, im not a scumbag, never been arrested no record. I thought I was being smart.

I have an umber of parking fines and no tax fines for my car, new the gards would come looking, so switched my address phone numbers and never registered them with anything since i did this. heard they knocked into my family home in wexford last wek im in dublin now.

My logic was i will be in england australia soon, if not they cant find me so cant summonce me which seems to be the case. they have no details for me at all whatsoever.

My thinking wass also u cannot serve bench warrants for minor offences which is what these are.

:O

im point blank not paying btw because i am saving my money to leave and a few of the fines were incorrect and the civil servant usual rubbish refused to even listen to this, so i said to myself feck yas! this craphole, i would spend a week in jail if i had too to avoid paying them.
no chance.

my plan is quite clever though no?

I'd say your wrong about the warrant, if you get fined just pay the court costs, usually €50 and you'll spend a few hours in a holding cell.

ollib1984

will they not lock me up? ye the warrant kind of worries me :O

but surely with the ammount of people in the same scneario but in alot worse instance.

How would i only pay 50 for the court fees? what about the 1000 in fines??
If i told them i had a unpaid bank loan would this make a difference its true.....

JamBur

Despite claiming to not be a scumbag, your post gives the totally opposite impression. Good luck abroad...

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

will they not lock me up? ye the warrant kind of worries me :O

but surely with the ammount of people in the same scneario but in alot worse instance.

How would i only pay 50 for the court fees? what about the 1000 in fines??
If i told them i had a unpaid bank loan would this make a difference its true.....

They wont lock you up, if you agree to pay the court fees you will be brought to what ever prison specified by the judge. You will be handed over from the guards to the prison officers and processed.

You'll have your photo taken and probably spend a few hours in a holding cell and given a dinner. The prisons are all overcrowded so instead of spending a few days as you'll officially be told they will let you out the same day, provided you pay the court fee of course.

MagicSean

Have you gotten your visa yet?

MagicSean

Also, the summons can be legally served on your parents house if you have it registered as your home address.

234

ollib1984 wrote: »

1.Right first off, im not a scumbag,

Yes you are; see 2.

2. I have an umber of parking fines and no tax fines for my car, new the gards would come looking, so switched my address phone numbers and never registered them with anything since i did this. heard they knocked into my family home in wexford last wek im in dublin now.

So you don't mind them bothering your family as long as you get away with it?

3. My logic was i will be in england australia soon, if not they cant find me so cant summonce me which seems to be the case. they have no details for me at all whatsoever.

Actually, from memory if they serve the summons by hand or registered post to your last know address, or whatever address is on the system, then it is considered validly served.

4. im point blank not paying btw because i am saving my money to leave and a few of the fines were incorrect and the civil servant usual rubbish refused to even listen to this, so i said to myself feck yas! this craphole, i would spend a week in jail if i had too to avoid paying them.
no chance.

If they made a mistake with the fines then just wait for the summons, go to court and tell the judge why you were only fined by mistake. Then the judge can decide if you have a good case or are full of crap.

5. my plan is quite clever though no?

No, it's not.

BaronVon

JamBur wrote: »

Despite claiming to not be a scumbag, your post gives the totally opposite impression. Good luck abroad...

The country's losing more talent!

ollib1984

no i dont have a visa yet, but i can get one in 24 hours. I am an honest hard working professional.

for real. senior staff at my level. im not paying out of principle?
why should i have to pay fines? i wass on the dol no money some of them parking fines were on my own residence!!!! they refused to take them back.

Even once they refused to take a fine back they fined me 2 times for the same thing!!!

was waiting for the scumbag comments, but this country is a farce. and u all know it.

Marsden

234 wrote: »

Yes you are; see 2.

To be fair I don't think getting a parking fine and not wanting to pay it makes you necessarily a scumbag. I once got 2 penalty points and a fine for doing 60 in a 50 zone and I'm no arch criminal.

MagicSean

ollib1984 wrote: »

no i dont have a visa yet, but i can get one in 24 hours. I am an honest hard working professional.

for real. senior staff at my level. im not paying out of principle?
why should i have to pay fines? i wass on the dol no money some of them parking fines were on my own residence!!!! they refused to take them back.

Even once they refused to take a fine back they fined me 2 times for the same thing!!!

was waiting for the scumbag comments, but this country is a farce. and u all know it.

You won't get a visa with a bench warrant and pending prosecutions. You need a Garda certificate of clearence.

OldmanMondeo

Marsden wrote: »

To be fair I don't think getting a parking fine and not wanting to pay it makes you necessarily a scumbag. I once got 2 penalty points and a fine for doing 60 in a 50 zone and I'm no arch criminal.

Yeah, but you paid them?

OP, you do sound like you have a major chip on your shoulder and should you go to court I would deffo change that attitude or else the Judge will take a dim view off you and I am sure he will chuck the book at you.

Marsden

If you do manage to skip without paying, they'll be waiting for you if you come back too.

michael999999

Seanbeag1 wrote: »

You won't get a visa with a bench warrant and pending prosecutions. You need a Garda certificate of clearence.

+1

You will not get a visa once a bench warrant has been issued!

johnthemull

The smart economy is fecked now.

the varg

Troll. Or he just ain't the quickest of cats :rolleyes:

ollib1984

look guys im no angel, i dont have much money, who says im going to australia im not stupid i know i cant get a visa with pending prosecutions, my plan was originally to go there now it looks like the UK maybe.

I wont be coming back.

The question is , can they issue a warrant for minor offences? do u guys know the ammount of people dodging mortgages nevermind fines??

its not exactly a major offence.

the post is bouncing back of my old address they have no valid address to summonce.

How can they get me if this is the case?? I would just like an explanation?? obviously if its a criminal offence they issue a bench warrant, im not saying its impossible to do this just it would seem far fetched to me if they did this for minor offences?

why am i a scumbag? what about the scumbag gards? everytime they see a pikey they never pull them over and they drive with no insurance, I am a hard working tax payer and I/we have to go to jail for this????

i drive with no tax, i have morals thank u. as i said im no angel, if i planned on staying here i would pay them.....

the irish government as far as im concerned can stick there fines, can stick there water tax , tv licence and breathing fresh air tax, they have had enough higher rate tax from me for a lifetime.

michael999999

ollib1984 wrote: »

look guys im no angel, i dont have much money, who says im going to australia im not stupid i know i cant get a visa with pending prosecutions, my plan was originally to go there now it looks like the UK maybe.

I wont be coming back.

The question is , can they issue a warrant for minor offences? do u guys know the ammount of people dodging mortgages nevermind fines??

its not exactly a major offence.

the post is bouncing back of my old address they have no valid address to summonce.

How can they get me if this is the case?? I would just like an explanation?? obviously if its a criminal offence they issue a bench warrant, im not saying its impossible to do this just it would seem far fetched to me if they did this for minor offences?

why am i a scumbag? what about the scumbag gards? everytime they see a pikey they never pull them over and they drive with no insurance, I am a hard working tax payer and I/we have to go to jail for this????

i drive with no tax, i have morals thank u. as i said im no angel, if i planned on staying here i would pay them.....

the irish government as far as im concerned can stick there fines, can stick there water tax , tv licence and breathing fresh air tax, they have had enough higher rate tax from me for a lifetime.

:rolleyes:

Lets all move to England, they have no taxes over there!!

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

The question is , can they issue a warrant for minor offences? do u guys know the ammount of people dodging mortgages nevermind fines??

its not exactly a major offence.

the post is bouncing back of my old address they have no valid address to summonce.

How can they get me if this is the case??

The court will suppena you using your last known address and in your absence it will be assumed that you have failed to appear regardless whether you knew of the summons or not. You will then be fined and when the fine is not paid a bench warrant will be issued for you even though its a minor offense.

Sorry but thats how it goes.

ollib1984

actually smart michael, im moving for career prospects incase i lose my job in this wasteland. I feel let down by the government to the extent i never want to pay 50% tax here ever again.

Any of you with half a brain would leave too.

Taxes are not an issue, ive probably paid more than you in my life?? do I look down on you or other people for it? no?

face it, the justice system is a joke. innocent people going to jail. when you have knackers and pikeys everywhere doing what they want.

ollib1984

I still have the option of going to court, pleading my way out of it.
I have a big bank loan to pay.

ollib1984

woudl they take installments???

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

I still have the option of going to court, pleading my way out of it.
I have a big bank loan to pay.

If its for several infractions I doubt you'd get away scot free but its better to show up than not, judges are lenient but if your not there they could impose the maximum fine.

ollib1984

installments?

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

woudl they take installments???

Not sure about that but I would assume if the fine was for several thousand they wouldn't expect you to have it in your back pocket. I'd say more likely you'd be given a deadline to pay it by.

ollib1984

arghh , im not a bad person lol! i just want to leave her start a new life with my girlfriend from europe just hasnt worked out that way.

Now it looks like she is moving here in july so im worried. gonna get locked up or somethin. .

been trying to get a job in england but its tough, think im gonna have to bank a few K and just move. giving jobs overshores in IT isnt happening. they seem to be only interested in residents!

PCPhoto

ollib1984 wrote: »

I still have the option of going to court, pleading my way out of it.
I have a big bank loan to pay.

How ??? ... if a warrant is issued they have already got summary judgement against you for non appearance, the next time you appear before a judge in an Irish court will be to answer the bench warrant.

then you can deal with the non display of tax and other fines you have gotten !!

-to me it sounds like if you do manage to leave the country you could face arrest if you come back (even for a holiday) .... hardly worth leaving your entire family for is it ???

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

arghh , im not a bad person lol! i just want to leave her start a new life with my girlfriend from europe

Where is she from, what about moving there.

ollib1984

See i dont think they can summonce me , on an address where they actually bounce my post away. the postman apparently has been told. i dont live there.

why would they be looking for me if this was not the case???

the gards are not the most pro active bunch in fairness!!!!

ollib1984

if you ignore a bench warrant?????

Marsden

If I'm right its not the guards that summons you its the court and although a summons used to have to be given in person it can now be done through the post, if they dont receive confirmation that you will be there or you dont turn up you'll be prosecuted in your absence.

MagicSean

ollib1984 wrote: »

See i dont think they can summonce me , on an address where they actually bounce my post away. the postman apparently has been told. i dont live there.

why would they be looking for me if this was not the case???

the gards are not the most pro active bunch in fairness!!!!

The postman doesn't deliver a summons. The garda does. They can serve it on your last known address. If you don't appear in court the judge will talk to the Garda and make a decision on wether to a) issue a bench warrant, b) proceed in your absence or c) set a new date and allow the Gardaí to try notify you again.

ollib1984

marsden are u sure? not doubting u.

just wondering how u know this.

wowzers, ok well I think I at least have a shot of putting them off for some time. till i can get out.

ollib1984

hopefully they just leave me alone, they asked my dad, hes in government services not the gards.

which obviously im not impressed about.

im praying theyll scrapheap it as i indirectly know somebody down there..

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

if you ignore a bench warrant?????

If your out of the country and never returning the not going to issue an international warrant but if I was you I'd leave a clean slate in Ireland just in case you ever do need to return. ie visiting family, attending funeral.

Plus it would be tough knowing you can't return to the country you were born in with that type of thing waiting for you.

michael999999

ollib1984 wrote: »

arghh , im not a bad person lol! i just want to leave her start a new life with my girlfriend from europe just hasnt worked out that way.

Now it looks like she is moving here in july so im worried. gonna get locked up or somethin. .

been trying to get a job in england but its tough, think im gonna have to bank a few K and just move. giving jobs overshores in IT isnt happening. they seem to be only interested in residents!

Its no wonder you cant get a job in IT with your spelling and attitude,the country is going to be at a loss when you emigrate!

And i have been working full time the last 15 years,you have no idea how much tax i have paid.to pay for scroungers like you who dont pay there car tax!

cursai

They can serve it at your parents house. On your parents, as you've said you normally reside there!
Youre a hero though...fighting the system......dodging your responsibilities......i hope your parents arent accepting this kind of behaviour from you!

Hope this works out for you.............................not:)

ollib1984

at the end of the day also if i appear in court, im playing the full dummy. never seen any of these letters fines nothing, as i said they have no address.

I have worked in alot of big companys have had a succesfull career.

The judge may not go to town on me , bank loan and no job at the time considering.......

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

marsden are u sure? not doubting u.

just wondering how u know this.

Experience. Went through it myself.

ollib1984

same as me, small petty fines etc?

and what happened to u?? lol i know the answer to this already.... lol

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

at the end of the day also if i appear in court, im playing the full dummy. never seen any of these letters fines nothing, as i said they have no address.

I have worked in alot of big companys have had a succesfull career.

The judge may not go to town on me , bank loan and no job at the time considering.......

Maybe he'll be lenient but I'd definitely show up. If you get the fine try to do the court costs thing, its a bit of a joke having to go to prison for a few hours but you'll only be in a holding cell not the main prison.

ollib1984

did u have urself as well covered as i am? absolutely no contact details available to them on any government database??? or any company full stop.

ollib1984

ye even if it was full prison id go for a day,


there are rumours also of them doing away with this system. public service for people who dont pay. obviously the more humane way to go about it

charlemont

Your dead right, pay nothing, the jails are full so just do the default time instead.

michael999999

ollib1984 wrote: »

did u have urself as well covered as i am? absolutely no contact details available to them on any government database??? or any company full stop.

Wouldnt it be funny if you were traced through your account on this!!

Lots of guards on here!!

Marsden

ollib1984 wrote: »

same as me, small petty fines etc?

and what happened to u?? lol i know the answer to this already.... lol

I got a lift to portlaoise had me pic taken and was given a dinner I had to eat with a plastic knife and fork and the fluckin fork broke.

Was for a petty fine €450

I paid €100, I didn't know the court costs was only €53 or something and the gits never told me, I could of saved meself €50. You get given a free bus pass home to.

ollib1984

ty charlemont, im taking a stand on this. made my mind up along time ago.

MagicSean

ollib1984 wrote: »

did u have urself as well covered as i am? absolutely no contact details available to them on any government database??? or any company full stop.

How do you expect to leave the country with no documentation.

Let it go to a bench warrant if you want. If you ever return you will be arrested and kept for court. The Gardaí will object to any future bail as you are a clear flight risk and you will most likely receive more charges.

ollib1984

Seriously, why should I have to pay? being bullied with pathetic fines and escalation fines going from 30 to 120 per fine then to court.

I genuinely had no money, genuinely fined incorrectly a couple of times and twice for the same offence!

I am bloody shattin myself at goin near a prison, but im just standing strong. ill try wrangle my way out anyway i can. but if i have to go. ill gol

ollib1984

what documentation do you need to leave the country?