Busquets Charged With Racism

Paully D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13381508.stm

Uefa has launched a disciplinary case against Barcelona's Sergio Busquets over alleged racism in the Champions League semi-final with Real Madrid.

Real posted a video on their website before the second leg showing Busquets allegedly calling full-back Marcelo "mono" (monkey) in the first leg.

The case will be heard on Sunday with a decision due the next day.

The incident was one of several in a heated tie between the Spanish rivals, which Barca won 3-1 on aggregate.

Both clubs lodged complaints to European football's governing body after an ill-tempered first leg at the Bernabeu, which was won 2-0 by Barcelona.

Madrid were unhappy with the behaviour of the opposing players and the red card shown to midfielder Pepe (one of three dismissals during the game, along with Barca reserve goalkeeper Jose Pinto and Real coach Jose Mourinho).

Barca protested over Mourinho's post-match comments alluding to favours from Uefa in big Champions League games and questioning the Catalan club's relationship with the European governing body.

The complaints were dismissed by Uefa, with Mourinho later handed a five-game European ban for his remarks.

The former Chelsea and Inter Milan boss chose not to speak to the media ahead of the second leg of the semi-final at the Nou Camp, which finished 1-1, thus booking Barca's place in the Champions League final at Wembley, where they will play Manchester United.

Instead, it was left to Mourinho's assistant Aitor Karanka to bemoan Uefa's decision not to act on Real's claims of gamesmanship by Barcelona's players.

He said: "The match has been overshadowed by Uefa's resolution - it's on another plane now.

"We have been punished [with the suspensions for Pepe, Sergio Ramos and Mourinho], but there are [Barcelona] players who didn't respect the principles of fair play or who made racist insults, covering their mouths, who will be on the pitch.

"We say over and over there are double standards."

However, Barca coach Pep Guardiola countered by defending his players.

"My players are an example of professionalism and honesty," he said.

"Real might think we are unsporting but I think exactly the opposite. Fourteen of 20 players in the squad have grown up in this house and they all respect the values of the house.

"Mourinho was at Barcelona for five years and he knows our values: to win, fight and earn respect by respecting your rival."

If found guilty he should be banned for life IMO.

Superbus

Charged?

TerryTibbs!

Hope he gets a ban. He symbolizes what is wrong with the game at the moment.

Vanbis

If he gets banned it won't happen until next season.

Zebra3

Paully D wrote: »

If found guilty he should be banned for life IMO.

No, he shouldn't.

Mars Bar

Vanbis wrote: »

If he gets banned it won't happen until next season.

Which would add fuel to Mourinho's UEFA-Barca theory maybe?

mike65

Couldn't happen to a nicer fella if it does actually happen (which it may not as nothing has happened yet).

Dont be at yourself

A real rotter. Hope he gets severely punished. Might make him cop on.

The_Kew_Tour

Be interesting to see the outcoem of it and what type of punishment he will get.

Personally he should be fined big time and ban for least 10-15 games.

A example that this cannot be accepted needs to be established.

_blank_

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

A real rotter.

Say hello to the Famous Five for me.

Dont be at yourself

Des wrote: »

Say hello to the Famous Five for me.

Cypher_sounds

If he is found guilty on Sunday and doesn't get banned in Europe with immediate effect its all a joke tbh no place for racism in football.

smokedeels

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

A real rotter. Hope he gets severely punished. Might make him cop on.

You can't ban the racist out of the guy, he'll just hide it better.

I'll be happy if he's out of the CL final, I could care less after that, it’s just a shame that he has this attitude to begin with.

dreamers75

German player banned for 5 games few years ago by DFB.

Dunno what UEFA will do considering they have spent a few quid on tv ads and banners.

CSF

Has to be banned for the final and most of the group stages next year if found guilty.

Paully D

Zebra3 wrote: »

No, he shouldn't.

Ah yeah sure it's only a bit of racism :rolleyes:

everdead.ie

Good to see them charging him too often people throw a blind eye over these incidents.

dsmythy

Paully D wrote: »

Ah yeah sure it's only a bit of racism :rolleyes:

Life ban?

eagle eye

Paully D wrote: »

Ah yeah sure it's only a bit of racism :rolleyes:

Life ban? Are you serious?

fish fingers

And I thought I couldn't hate him enough before

Pauleta

It will be justice if he is banned for the final after what he did to Thiago Motta last year. It was pretty clear to see that he was mouthing something like "mono" in the video i have seen.

jaykay74

Would like to see a ban but could get away with a fine if Aragones precedent is followed.

In 2004 Aragonés was appointed coach of Spain. During a training session in the same year, a Spanish TV crew filmed Aragonés trying to motivate José Antonio Reyes by making offensive references about Reyes' Arsenal F.C. black team-mate, Thierry Henry, saying:

“ Tell that negro de mierda that you are much better than him. Don't hold back, tell him. Tell him from me. You have to believe in yourself, you're better than that negro de mierda.”

The incident caused uproar in the British media with calls for Aragonés to be sacked. After an investigation into the events during the match, UEFA fined the RFEF 100,000 Swiss francs/87,000 USD (one day's wages) and warned that any future incidents would be punished more severely. UEFA noted that possible punishments could include suspension from major international tournaments or the closure of Spain's home international matches to supporters.

In response to this, Aragones has said in public that he is not a racist, and claimed that he had black friends...

Vanbis

mars bar wrote: »

Which would add fuel to Mourinho's UEFA-Barca theory maybe?

Oh yes it will. I wonder what his team mates will have to say if found guilty?

Jelle1880

Does this mean Real will ban their racist fans too ?

jaykay74

Vanbis wrote: »

Oh yes it will. I wonder what his team mates will have to say if found guilty?

Possibly something along the lines of "Biscuits is not that kind of fella". loads of black friends etc.

DOC09UNAM

Thread title is misleading.

NukaCola

Ebbs

Ban for life...seriously? :rolleyes:

Vanbis wrote: »

Oh yes it will. I wonder what his team mates will have to say if found guilty?

I bet the majority couldnt care less. I think these race rows get blown out of proportion completely. In the majority of cases its not about race at all, he dislikes one person and uses whatever insult he can.

If I called my friend a "fag", it'd be laughed off. If I called someone who is homosexual and that I disliked a "fag" it gets blown out of proportion. Obviously I dont agree with racism, anti- whatever but if he wasnt black it'd be some other insult a la Materazzi.

eagle eye

Pauleta wrote: »

It will be justice if he is banned for the final after what he did to Thiago Motta last year. It was pretty clear to see that he was mouthing something like "mono" in the video i have seen.

This is key though, its very hard to be sure. There are one or two other choice words he could have been using there which would look similar.

Jax Teller

It's a shame because I think he's a quality player, won't mind much if he's missing for CL final though

Pro. F

Ebbs wrote: »

If I called my friend a "fag", it'd be laughed off.

It would only be laughed off by people who think that homophobic language is okay. Homophobic language and racist language is a bad thing because it encourages homophobia and racism. People kicking up a fuss about somebody throwing racist insults are not blowing it out of proportion.

KeithAFC

Banned for life. No room for it.

Ebbs

Pro. F wrote: »

It would only be laughed off by people who think that homophobic language is okay. Homophobic language and racist language is a bad thing because it encourages homophobia and racism. People kicking up a fuss about somebody throwing racist insults are not blowing it out of proportion.

Fag is interchangeable with a million insults, which was my point. I couldnt think of another one that would be appropriate to my analogy. None the less, the evidence is by itself questionable and using the "race card" is a bit of a leap too.

Would people be calling for a life ban if he called him a cúnt? I dont think so. I also dont think racism was behind his attack, he didnt attack him because he hates a certain race. It shouldnt fall under the racism banner but instead foul language/verbal assualt or whatever name you want to drum it under.

jaykay74

Ebbs wrote: »

Would people be calling for a life ban if he called him a cúnt? I dont think so. I also dont think racism was behind his attack, he didnt attack him because he hates a certain race. It shouldnt fall under the racism banner but instead foul language/verbal assualt or whatever name you want to drum it under.

So you are saying calling him a c_unt is the same as calling him a monkey. Fair enough if thats your opinion. I would guess you are in the minority though with it.

Pro. F

Ebbs wrote: »

Fag is interchangeable with a million insults, which was my point. I couldnt think of another one that would be appropriate to my analogy. None the less, the evidence is by itself questionable and using the "race card" is a bit of a leap too.

Would people be calling for a life ban if he called him a cúnt? I dont think so. I also dont think racism was behind his attack, he didnt attack him because he hates a certain race. It shouldnt fall under the racism banner but instead foul language/verbal assualt or whatever name you want to drum it under.

The difference between homophobic and racist insults and the random general insults is that they are homophobic and racist. The other types of insults are not in anyway loaded with context and inference - they are actually meaningless. Allowing that type of language provides room for people to actually be racist and homophobic and also it promotes racist and homophobic attitudes. The fact that anybody would use any of those words as an insult, even when out of context like in you and your friends would, shows that they believe that being black or gay is a bad thing. It obviously isn't, and football authorities shouldn't allow their players to promote the idea that it is.

The racist and homophobic insults are not interchangeable with a million other insults. They are the only ones which make a statement that being a certain type of person is somehow a bad thing.

jive

Banned for life? Come off it.

Football is cram packed with primitive apes and like it or not racism and homophobic remarks are ripe in football. The only difference between Busquets and every other player is that Busquets got caught. The fans are doing it and the players are doing it. You're actually having a laugh saying he should be banned for life when it happens week in week out.

The dislike for Busquets due to him being a drama queen is going to tint everyones opinion on this matter. There is no place for racism / homophobic remarks in the real world but let's be honest - it happens in the real world and it happens on the football pitch.

A fine will be all he gets if found guilty at all. If he gets any more than that then it's crazy because the only reason he is being charged is due to it being such a high profile case. I'm not condoning it but it happens and the problem is deeper than football, it's the way society is. Fining players for it might make them keep their mouths shut but it won't stop them from saying other things directed at certain races in a manner that won't end up in a fine and/or ban.

_blank_

eagle eye wrote: »

This is key though, its very hard to be sure. There are one or two other choice words he could have been using there which would look similar.

You're right, he could have called him "Bono", which would be a million times worse.

TangyZizzle

Blown out of proportion - You have to laugh at people that say things like this. He Called a guy a monkey because of his appearance and race - He should be banned.

'I call my friend a fag and it's laughed off, but if I say it to a gay it's blown out of proportion,' - NO! You've put it perfectly into perspective. You simply cannot use terms deemed to be offensive just because you don't like someone or for any reason in fact.

He called him a monkey, therefore he should be banned. If he doesn't we'll all be laughing at FIFA.

eagle eye

I have to wonder if those calling for life ban ever played a contact sport. Things are said and done on a football field that you wouldn't get away with off the pitch. Its all about trying to beat your opponent any way you can.

I'd much rather somebody try to rile me up by calling me names than try and break my leg in a tackle and that happens too.

jaykay74

eagle eye wrote: »

I have to wonder if those calling for life ban ever played a contact sport. Things are said and done on a football field that you wouldn't get away with off the pitch. Its all about trying to beat your opponent any way you can.

I'd much rather somebody try to rile me up by calling me names than try and break my leg in a tackle and that happens too.

Fair enough. What would you propose for racist abuse of an opponent say calling him a n!gger or a monkey.

1/ Nothing
2/ Fine
3/ Warning over future behaviour
4/ Suspended sentence
5/ 2-5 match ban
6/ Life ban

I would lean towards 5/ for a first offense.

Blatter

eagle eye wrote: »

I have to wonder if those calling for life ban ever played a contact sport. Things are said and done on a football field that you wouldn't get away with off the pitch. Its all about trying to beat your opponent any way you can.

I'd much rather somebody try to rile me up by calling me names than try and break my leg in a tackle and that happens too.

In other words, you are defending racism.

:rolleyes:

eagle eye

jaykay74 wrote: »

Fair enough. What would you propose for racist abuse of an opponent say calling him a n!gger or a monkey.

1/ Nothing
2/ Fine
3/ Warning over future behaviour
4/ Suspended sentence
5/ 2-5 match ban
6/ Life ban

I would lean towards 5/ for a first offense.

2 and 3 for a first offense.

eagle eye

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

In other words, you are defending racism.

:rolleyes:

No I'm not, I'm saying those calling for a life ban must never have played sport. Please read what I posted again.

jaykay74

eagle eye wrote: »

2 and 3 for a first offense.

A poll would be interesting. I'd say a lot would lean towards 5/ if the racist abuse was clearcut.

DOC09UNAM

SOCCER4LIFE wrote: »

In other words, you are defending racism.

:rolleyes:

Have a look in the posts/thread of the year, one example posted by me, and one by Archi[tom brady], of all opinions to take on racism, I would avoid Eagle Eye's like the plague.

Pro. F

eagle eye wrote: »

I have to wonder if those calling for life ban ever played a contact sport. Things are said and done on a football field that you wouldn't get away with off the pitch. Its all about trying to beat your opponent any way you can.

I'd much rather somebody try to rile me up by calling me names than try and break my leg in a tackle and that happens too.

lol typical nonsense from you whenever racism comes up.

I honestly wonder whether you have ever played a contact sport if you think that a bit of physical competition suddenly makes throwing racist abuse an acceptable behaviour. Or maybe, more likely, you actually just don't see racist language as that much of a bad thing.

Why should the football field get a special exemption for racism? It doesn't matter if you would rather somebody called you names than tried to break your leg. It's not like black people have to choose between being subject to racist abuse and having their legs broken.

What would be the problem if racism was stamped out on the football pitch? You honestly think it would take away from the game in the slightest?

Jelle1880

Some people need to calm down.
This was a complaint made by Real Madrid, a club who has a long history of supporting fascism and having racist fans, against a player from a club who just killed of their season and European ambitions.

Newspapers like Marca will do everything they can to portray Barcelona in a bad light (like doctoring images), and I'm sure several tv-stations would do the same.

Maybe start argueing over this if he actually gets found guilty ?

eagle eye

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Have a look in the posts/thread of the year, one example posted by me, and one by Archi[tom brady], of all opinions to take on racism, I would avoid Eagle Eye's like the plague.

Please stop trying to paint a picture of me as a racist. One of my two best friends is black. I'm just a lot more relaxed about it than most these days it seems.

I think the lot of you are gone mad. I certainly don't condone what Busquests did if he did it. And my comments in this thread are in no way condoning it. I'm saying those calling for a life ban for it must never have played the game because people do a lot of things on a football field that they would never do off it. I do believe that people who are not racist in their regular everyday lives can change completely when playing a contact sport. Same as players who would never lift a finger to hurt somebody in their everyday normal lives are capable of horrific stuff on a football pitch.

KeithAFC

eagle eye wrote: »

No I'm not, I'm saying those calling for a life ban must never have played sport. Please read what I posted again.

He called a black player a monkey. He should be banned for life.

DOC09UNAM

eagle eye wrote: »

Please stop trying to paint a picture of me as a racist. One of my two best friends is black. I'm just a lot more relaxed about it than most these days it seems.

I think the lot of you are gone mad. I certainly don't condone what Busquests did if he did it. And my comments in this thread are in no way condoning it. I'm saying those calling for a life ban for it must never have played the game because people do a lot of things on a football field that they would never do off it. I do believe that people who are not racist in their regular everyday lives can change completely when playing a contact sport. Same as players who would never lift a finger to hurt somebody in their everyday normal lives are capable of horrific stuff on a football pitch.

You said calling someone a black bastard is fine.

You also said calling someone a Darky is fine.

I'm not painting you as anything, I don't need to.

eagle eye

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

You said calling someone a black bastard is fine.

You also said calling someone a Darky is fine.

I'm not painting you as anything, I don't need to.

If somebody called me a white bastard I would not be in the slightest offended at being called white. I don't see why somebody would be offended at being called black.

Can you tell me why somebody would be offended at being called black?

Calling a black person a monkey is very wrong imo by the way.