What the hell is with the recent surge of dissident republican activity?!

hatrickpatrick

Seriously, who (which group) is orchestrating all this and for what purpose? What do they hope to achieve, reclaim Ireland's 70s image as a firey warzone?

Guill

firey warzone?

LOL

FatherLen

what in gods name are you shiting on about

Wolfe Tone

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Seriously, who (which group) is orchestrating all this and for what purpose? What do they hope to achieve, reclaim Ireland's 70s image as a firey warzone?

You have the RIRA and Onh who are the main players. Then you the CIRA of whom republican SF are their political wing. Then you have another CIRA and Real Sinn Féin are their political wing(these where the lads who appeared on primetime). Both CIRAs do nothing really except claim to be Irelands legit govt.

Then you have the group which killed the PSNI man a while back, they simply call themselves the IRA. Probably a joint op between the RIRA and Onh.

In basic terms they do what they do because they feel the GFA copperfastens partition and the provos have betrayed everyone by "administering British rule". They hope to "smash normalisation" and make everyone come to their conclusion, ie things are the same as they always where, it just has an acceptable face in SF.
Idiots of the highest order as violence only makes more people support the GFA and it casts those who oppose the GFA peacefully as "dissidents". So even from their point of view violence is counterproductive.

arybvtcw0eolkf

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Seriously, who (which group) is orchestrating all this and for what purpose? What do they hope to achieve, reclaim Ireland's 70s image as a firey warzone?

Seriously I've no idea whats going on in their tiny messed up little heads.

But it is frightening people who remember the 70's & 80's, as an example - my wife grew up in Dublin city center and remembers hearing the bombings from her home, and we both remember high security was heightened around the like's of Christmas, Easter etc.

Now she's stopped our daughter (15) going into town (city centre) until the queens visit is over because she's scared that the kid will be caught up in a real bombing or have the life scared from her in a bomb scare.

Its very hard for young Irish people to appreciate how these times affected people.

Its awful to see a return to terror on this island again.

ejmaztec

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Seriously, who (which group) is orchestrating all this and for what purpose? What do they hope to achieve, reclaim Ireland's 70s image as a firey warzone?

It's the Bay-City Rollers trying to make a come-back, but they're sh1ttier now than they were then.

kfallon

There's a recession, people are unemployed and bored, it fills their day :rolleyes:

Guill

What is a GFA?

meditraitor

Kian Flaky Lip wrote: »

Seriously I've no idea whats going on in their tiny messed up little heads.

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+100000

Wolfe Tone

Guill wrote: »

What is a GFA?

Good Friday Agreement.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Guill wrote: »

LOL

FatherLen wrote: »

what in gods name are you shiting on about

I think you two need to cop the f*ck on and realize that people have genuine concerns and are scared.

Caoimhín

Im sure it has a bit to do with the economy. Young lads with nothing to do all day can be easily led.

Guill

Kian Flaky Lip wrote: »

I think you two need to cop the f*ck on and realize that people have genuine concerns and are scared.

Yes Mammy.

Zebra3

They need to realise that Ireland's real enemies are the EU, IMF, and the unhung traitors within.

The Brits are way down any list.

GavRedKing

I blame Neil Lennon anyway for one.

sensibleken

80s retro

lastlaugh

I'm sure there are a few hard line 'die hards' with nothing better to do with their time.
There will also be impressionable youths who will get sucked into the romantic notions of militant nationalism.

They should bugger off and join the Foreign Legion or something.

Faith+1

Until Ireland is united there will always be trouble. The Recession don't exactly help as people have too much time to get up to naughty stuff. Like or not the news stations love all this.

Wolfe Tone

Faith+1 wrote: »

Until Ireland is united there will always be trouble. The Recession don't exactly help as people have too much time to get up to naughty stuff. Like or not the news stations love all this.

The news stations seem to ignore an awful lot of their activity tbh

Faith+1

lastlaugh wrote: »

They should bugger off and join the Foreign Legion or something.

They'll accomplish more in the legion than the Irish "Defence Forces". Do they still go home at dinner hour??:rolleyes:

Faith+1

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

The news stations seem to ignore an awful lot of their activity tbh

Well at present they do but if a few 300lb bombs go off in the heart of Belfast you can guarantee it'll make the 6 news.

Michael 09

kfallon wrote: »

There's a recession, people are unemployed and bored, it fills their day :rolleyes:

Nail. Head. Hit.

meditraitor

Faith+1 wrote: »

Until Ireland is united .

The only time in our history that there was a united Ireland was when the brits were here, are you saying they should come back?

o1s1n

Faith+1 wrote: »

Until Ireland is united there will always be trouble. The Recession don't exactly help as people have too much time to get up to naughty stuff. Like or not the news stations love all this.

There would still be trouble if Ireland was united as some people up there don't want that either.

Donny5

Faith+1 wrote: »

Until Ireland is united there will always be trouble. The Recession don't exactly help as people have too much time to get up to naughty stuff. Like or not the news stations love all this.

As a dissident unicontinentalist, I can assure you that there will be trouble until Pangea is reunited.

arybvtcw0eolkf

meditraitor wrote: »

The only time in our history that there was a united Ireland was when the brits were here, are you saying they should come back?

Are you for real?.

We'd a united Ireland?.. They tried to rule over us with a policy of divide & conquer.

You want to know why there are still people who see themselves as freedom fighters in this kip of a country?.. Because they hang onto the words of Pearse and his oration at the funeral of O'Donovan Rossa..

They think that they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think that they have foreseen everything, think that they have provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! - they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace.

Buddy, this has never been a united Ireland - under the Brits or anyone else.

And if your thinking in terms of physical borders - they've [the British] still have 'peace divides' (walls separating communities) in Belfast.

pockets3d

Faith+1 wrote: »

Well at present they do but if a few 300lb bombs go off in the heart of Belfast you can guarantee it'll make the 6 news.

Usually when a 300lb bomb goes off anywhere in the world it makes the news. Whats your point? The news does ignore a lot of paramilitary activity and civil disobedience in the north as well as the protests going on in Mughaberry.

Kadongy

kfallon wrote: »

There's a recession, people are unemployed and bored, it fills their day :rolleyes:

I agree. In fact, I would go further with this line of thought and suggest that it is tied into anger and very warped nationalism stemming from the fact our sovereignty has been genuinely compromised since the IMF came in, and our general loss of reputation on an international level.

Yitzhak Rabin

Its a bunch of delusional sociopathic scumbags who after the good friday agreement are left with the realisation that they are unqualified fat layabouts who have no aim in their life other than to collect their dole money.

Hoping to get back to the good ole days when they were a commander of a military unit bravely fighting the crown forces for their fellow Irishmen, they've delusionally convinced themselves that they have a purpose and unfortunately poisoned the minds of a few young eejits to help them.

It'd be funny, if the consequences weren't so serious.

hatrickpatrick

Kian Flaky Lip wrote: »

I think you two need to cop the f*ck on and realize that people have genuine concerns and are scared.

I'm not scared as much as just p*ssed off. I'm very political myself and I honestly can't see how anyone could believe that killing a few random civilians or police officers here and there, or blowing up monuments (and possibly injuring anyone who's near at the time) is going to achieve anything at all except cause rage and crackdowns.

There's been a guard standing beside the green Victorian fountain in Dun Laoghaire (across the road from the pavillion and the dart station) for the last several weeks, and I suspect that gigantic pillar monument (which was the target of an attempted terrorist demolition in the early 90s) is probably under observation as well.

What's the effing point?

Mint Sauce

Excuss my ignorance, but who's the Onh?

All I know is that these people are fighting a war that most people no longer care about.

I always thought that with the arrival of a new generation people would lose interest, but it seems its just being passed on from one to the next. It reminds me of an incident some where either in Belfast or Enniskillan during the marching season many years ago, where a young girl, no older than 9 or 10 told a British Army Solider to 'F-off home you british b*stard', the soilder challanged the girls father on this remark, the father replied 'Shes right, f-off home'. It shows that the minority of young people are either gulible or cant make up their own mind, or are being brainwashed by the older generation ideals. Its the same with these now running around blowing up innocent police officers and causing disrubtion.

Now I was not brought up here, but spent most summers, easters, christmas over here. Would travel down from Belfast to Enniskillan, and stay there or in Donegal, maybe go to Derry for the day, etc etc. Remember the RUC and Army road blocks, the helicoptors flying over my grandparents, the patrols, etc etc. As a kid, on here on holiday, it never really bothered me, the same as the bomb threats on the London Underground didn't bother me, just meant would have to find another route home.

Have now been living over here about 12 years, and a couple of years ago when it all kicked off again, I was actually wary of going to Derry and Enniskillan, two places that I have gone regulary since I moved here. Its more a campaign of terror these guys are running, and I really hope its one they dont win.

hatrickpatrick

Kadongy wrote: »

I agree. In fact, I would go further with this line of thought and suggest that it is tied into anger and very warped nationalism stemming from the fact our sovereignty has been genuinely compromised since the IMF came in, and our general loss of reputation on an international level.

And eh..... Terrorism is supposed to (in these people's minds) improve our reputation on an international level?

Yeah... Great plan.

Wolfe Tone

Kian Flaky Lip wrote: »

Are you for real?.

We'd a united Ireland?.. They tried to rule over us with a policy of divide & conquer.

You want to know why there are still people who see themselves as freedom fighters in this kip of a country?.. Because they hang onto the words of Pearse and his oration at the funeral of O'Donovan Rossa..



Buddy, this has never been a united Ireland - under the Brits or anyone else.

And if your thinking in terms of physical borders - they've [the British] still have 'peace divides' (walls separating communities) in Belfast.

There are more "peace walls" now than there EVER where before.

00112984

Faith+1 wrote: »

Until Ireland is united there will always be trouble.

If Ireland became a 32 county republic tomorrow there'd be war. We can barely afford the 26 counties we have we don't need another 6 that are an even bigger social welfare hole.

Wolfe Tone

irish-stew wrote: »

Excuss my ignorance, but who's the Onh?

Óglaigh na hÉireann... Its all really confusing because near all the various IRAs refer to themselves as that... Basically they are separate from RIRA and CIRA and seem to be the most capable group. They have no political wing as far as I know either which to me makes them the most dangerous.

iregk

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

You have the RIRA and Onh who are the main players. Then you the CIRA of whom republican SF are their political wing. Then you have another CIRA and Real Sinn Féin are their political wing.

Then you have the group which killed the PSNI man, they call themselves the IRA. Joint op between the RIRA and Onh.

In basic terms they do what they do because they feel the GFA copperfastens partition. It just has an acceptable face in SF. Violence only makes more people support the GFA

Jesus christ. Are you the Judean Peoples Front? Fcuk off, were the Peoples Front of Judea. I thought we were the Popular Front? PEOPLES FRONT!!!!

Yitzhak Rabin

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Óglaigh na hÉireann... Its all really confusing because near all the various IRAs refer to themselves as that...

Including our own defence forces. Its like the people's front of judea situation from the Life of Brian.

Edit: Damn too slow!

Wolfe Tone

yekahS wrote: »

Including our own defence forces. Its like the people's front of judea situation from the Life of Brian.

There is one reason why there are so many groups, ego.
"No WE are real republicans!"

Still, I'm not complaining that they are all divided

Bottle_of_Smoke

Martin McGuinness, Informers, the Media and Why Dissident Republicans Still Kill People


This addresses your main question. Long but very good. Written just after Ronan Kerr was killed

Basically he argues there were two main waves of anti-GFA militant republicanism. The first were the guys who planted bombs in the late 90s and even hit MI6 offices with a rocket launcher in the early 00s

They immediately saw the GFA was giving up. They were however pretty much ruined by the Omagh bomb and informants.

The second wave mostly came to a head when Sinn Fein agreed to the St Andrews agreement(2006) which included supporting the police. This made the lads who'd previously believed McGuinness & Adams that British withdrawal was on the cards finally realise the reality that the GFA was not going to lead to Irish independence anytime soon.

Caoimhín

irish-stew wrote: »

I always thought that with the arrival of a new generation people would lose interest, but it seems its just being passed on from one to the next.
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It should be compulsory for kids to be thought in the same school. A "them and us" mentality is only encouraged by having different schools for either side of the community.

Nolanger

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Seriously, who (which group) is orchestrating all this and for what purpose? What do they hope to achieve, reclaim Ireland's 70s image as a firey warzone?

If you think now is bad, wait until 2016!

westendgirlie

iregk wrote: »

Jesus christ. Are you the Judean Peoples Front? Fcuk off, were the Peoples Front of Judea. I thought we were the Popular Front? PEOPLES FRONT!!!!

haha it's definitely Monty time

superelliptic

00112984 wrote: »

If Ireland became a 32 county republic tomorrow there'd be war. We can barely afford the 26 counties we have we don't need another 6 that are an even bigger social welfare hole.

True. I read a year or so back that it costs the UK 3 billion a year to run the north of ireland (infrastructure, police, bureaucracy, SW, etc). So if we took it tomorrow, we'd have to give it back at the end of the week cos we dont have a handy 3 billion lying around :pac:

RMD

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Óglaigh na hÉireann... Its all really confusing because near all the various IRAs refer to themselves as that... Basically they are separate from RIRA and CIRA and seem to be the most capable group. They have no political wing as far as I know either which to me makes them the most dangerous.

AFAIK British intelligence has stated before OnH poses by far the greatest threat. As you've pointed out little is known about them and have no political wing. They're not in it to play politics and feel like "soldiers", they're in it to kill and maim which is the most worrying part.

Downlinz

Dissident republican activity is not generally of the violent sort, NI may be a different kettle of fish but here I'm happy that people are generally communicating their political beliefs in a peaceful way.

What I don't like is this assumption that holding resentment for british actions in the past or disliking any sort of connection to the british is a bad or disruptive thing. Don't confuse the two.

If a young girl wants to tell an orange marcher to **** off, fair play to her for exercising her freedom of speech. If I want proclaim my disappointment at the british queen being invited here, I will so.

I know some people don't like to hear about these sort of strong political beliefs because of an associate with violence in the past but making the two mutually exclusive is the step forward and I think Ireland has done a fine job of that in the past two decades. We're a proud people and I'm certainly very comfortable having these beliefs.

Donkey Oaty

Downlinz wrote: »

Blah blah blah Britain...blah blah blah...we're a proud people...blah blah blah

Yeah, whatever.

dr gonzo

There is one possible positive to the queens visit and the current tensions. If the queen arrives, gets on grand, people welcome her but generally get on with their day then the dissidents may see that the fight is lost if the people of the republic arent even interested in giving her the bums rush.


Obviously this kind of positive scenario would be quashed pretty quickly if anything actually happens which i hope to god it doesnt.

KeithAFC

o1s1n wrote: »

There would still be trouble if Ireland was united as some people up there don't want that either.

A lot of people don't want it. That is exactly it.

previous user

Shocking, truly shocking.

Sunnyisland

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Martin McGuinness, Informers, the Media and Why Dissident Republicans Still Kill People


Very interesting thanks

RMD

dr gonzo wrote: »

There is one possible positive to the queens visit and the current tensions. If the queen arrives, gets on grand, people welcome her but generally get on with their day then the dissidents may see that the fight is lost if the people of the republic arent even interested in giving her the bums rush.


Obviously this kind of positive scenario would be quashed pretty quickly if anything actually happens which i hope to god it doesnt.

Problem is considering British media, if even one egg / rock / stone is thrown which I'd consider extremely likely, it'll be front page news for a while to come and ruin any though of the tensions improving. Then again if it passes peacefully it'll look great internationally but also as you pointed out the dissidents might finally get it through their heads that their view =/= the view of the majority of Ireland.