I wont name the shop

jett

Bought my GF a diamond ring in London £480.
Same ring in same companies shop in Dublin E1259
No way is a Dublin shop cheaper to operate than one in London.
Good news is that she thinks I spent the higher amount on her!

maxer68

Can you confirm that the London one was not on any special offer? and also it was same carat and same colour intensity? (a change in colour letter can mean a big changes in price.)

If not then Ouch.

And if you had gone to the jewellry district in Birmingham, it would have cost even less.

For all others thinking of large diamond purchase, fly to birmingham, train to new street and its about a 15 minute signposted walk to the jewellry district.

The guts of 50 jewellers all together in a low rent area giving huge choice and superb value.

It can easily be done on a ryanair day trip.

spezi

:eek:Dublin is one of the most expensive cities in the world for rents/rates but I couldnt imagine the price difference for same quality diamond that big...


you could probably get a deal as good as Birmingham in Kilkenny and save yourself the flight.

Jesus Wept

Why not name the shop?

jett

The same product exactly.
Similar price as Dublin in other jewellers in Clonmel, Limerick and Cork.
Its a very well know group but I won't name them because I don't want an arguement with them.

whippet

jett wrote: »

The same product exactly.
Similar price as Dublin in other jewellers in Clonmel, Limerick and Cork.
Its a very well know group but I won't name them because I don't want an arguement with them.

so in essence the point of your post is to say that something was more expensive in ireland than the UK .. .. pointless really

michelledoh

Wow consider yourself lucky that you saw the ring in London before you bought her ring! It is frustrating but at the end of the day you found the bargain... and I'm sure the brownie pounds with the girlfriend make it totally worth it!

Frank Black

jett wrote: »

I won't name them because I don't want an arguement with them.

Well it's not a very helpful post so.

jett

Then ignore it !
If anyone is buying jewellry then PM me and I will tell them.
I am again trying to be helpfull and getting knocked.

tommy21

I think all people are saying Jett is that the thread is a bit pointless, as all it functions as is a rant for you but no intel for anyone else. An extreme example would be telling relatives some of the passengers in a plane crash didn't make it, but I won't tell you which ones.:eek: So go on, name and shame.

jett

This thread is about Rip Off. If the same company sells something in adjacent countries for twice the price its a rip off.
Its not unique virtually every jewellery shop here is the same. They think they have a sewn up market.
I am just bringing it to peoples notice.
Best thing to do is use the net to price things and if its worth while buy mail order or as said above jet over and back and save money.

tommy21

jett wrote: »

I am just bringing it to peoples notice.

Yes I am now aware that at least one shop in Dublin is a rip-off. Pity I don't know which one though.

keithclancy

No Diamond would be the same, you'd have to do a like for like based on the certificate.

Theres a huge difference in price for minor differences in the scale:
http://www.hwgem.com/diascale.htm

Total scam imo .. but thats the diamond market for you.

jpmiddleton

jett wrote: »

Good news is that she thinks I spent the higher amount on her!

HA, brilliant, nice one. Where did you buy it in London?

mikehunts

Did you get the ring in argos with the mower???

jett

No! I have not posted the shops name because I have a very good relationship with the group as a whole. Only the Dublin shop was over priced.
Plus the mower was purchased from a local small shop who sold a good product at the correct price. As told on another board.

you've posted in this thread.

Timothy Bryce

I was thinking of buying a diamond ring but now won't buy it anywhere in Dublin for fear the shop in question is ripping me off. Sadly my business will go abroad now.

maxer68

Timothy Bryce wrote: »

I was thinking of buying a diamond ring but now won't buy it anywhere in Dublin for fear the shop in question is ripping me off. Sadly my business will go abroad now.

And you think a jeweller in another country won't????

If you use a reputable jeweller, you'll have a good ring at a good price. If you use a chain store that sells jewellry you won't.

Same applies wordwide.

Also, note that the OP won't name the store, so his claim can't be substantiated and comparisons can't be made which suggests he may be afraid someone will give a valid reason for the price difference, such as colour / clarity.

jett

i explained why above, I wish I had not bothered with the whole thread.
Its like for like just a major cost difference.
Yes you do get what you pay for but to say a chain is worse than an independant is not neccasarily true.
Oh it aint tesco or Argos:D

maxer68

jett wrote: »

i explained why above, I wish I had not bothered with the whole thread.
Its like for like just a major cost difference.
Yes you do get what you pay for but to say a chain is worse than an independant is not neccasarily true.
Oh it aint tesco or Argos:D

The only reason you are not naming it is either

a. - Its total crap what you are saying

or

b - you know people here will tear your claim apart

Name the place and we'll see if what you say is true - don't name it and I'll take it you're telling porkies.

As for chain store v independent - Chainstores have massive head office costs, greedy shareholders and usually high rent locations.

Local independents - just paying their way in life, no head offcie costs, no shareholders.

Guess who can always offer beter value? (applies to many retail areas and especially to jewlery & hardware. )

jett

Your flaming won't work with me.
Go to any jewellers in Britain and compare like with like here and you will see a big difference in costs.
Why?because the home market is priced to suit the consumer who often has more money than sense and who either does not know better or cannot be bothered.
Its easier to just throw cash at something than put a bit of effort in.
And thats why this Rip off Ireland thread exists.
Now heres a challenge, find a jewellers in Ireland that will match a British price. You will even have a problem with Argos

maxer68

jett wrote: »

Your flaming won't work with me.
Go to any jewellers in Britain and compare like with like here and you will see a big difference in costs.
Why?because the home market is priced to suit the consumer who often has more money than sense and who either does not know better or cannot be bothered.
Its easier to just throw cash at something than put a bit of effort in.
And thats why this Rip off Ireland thread exists.
Now heres a challenge, find a jewellers in Ireland that will match a British price. You will even have a problem with Argos

The funny thing with this thread, there have been hardly any real rip-offs stated for a long long time. Yours is the first for months, yet you refuse to name the store?

And the only reason you refuse is because you know damn well, that people here will be able to check your story and will probably find it to be false.

So name the store involved as otherwise what you say can be taken with a pinch of salt.

the groutch

OP, don't know why you even started the thread if you weren't going to name the place.

the groutch

jett wrote: »

Now heres a challenge, find a jewellers in Ireland that will match a British price. You will even have a problem with Argos

why would they?
their wages ,rent, rates, various insurances, utilities, professional fees, etc. are much much higher than any UK store, so if they did match UK prices on a regular basis they'd be making almost no profit, or even a loss

mikemac

Fine if you don't want to name the store

So take it to ranting & raving to let off some steam

What was useful about this place was examples were given and we could see mad pricing and see where to avoid

Ranting & raving is the place for your first post

ejmaztec

the groutch wrote: »

why would they?
their wages ,rent, rates, various insurances, utilities, professional fees, etc. are much much higher than any UK store, so if they did match UK prices on a regular basis they'd be making almost no profit, or even a loss

There are so many jewellers in Ireland, the OP couldn't say with absolute certainty that they're all more expensive than those in the UK.

This thread's going nowhere, unless we have a "guess the shop" competition.

parsi

How about the "No Name Shop" - remember the no-name clubs years ago ?

It would explain why the OP can't name it...

jett

very few people bother to post on this board.
If I have done one person a service by making them think before blindly buying at a rip of price and saved them a bit then the flak was worth it.

ejmaztec

jett wrote: »

very few people bother to post on this board.
If I have done one person a service by making them think before blindly buying at a rip of price and saved them a bit then the flak was worth it.

It's unfortunate that anyone looking for a jewellery bargain in London, will have to spend an eternity wandering around the metropolis looking for the shop that you didn't name.

The vast majority of people in this country already think twice before they buy anything.

maxer68

ejmaztec wrote: »

It's unfortunate that anyone looking for a jewellery bargain in London, will have to spend an eternity wandering around the metropolis looking for the shop that you didn't name.

The vast majority of people in this country already think twice before they buy anything.

NO - what jett is saying that all jewellers here are over priced and that every jeweller in the UK is not. :rolleyes:

Hate to say this jett, but I lived in the UK long enough to know that most high street chain stores are overly profitable and have a ridiculous head office cost, hence I avoid chain stores wherever possible.

An independent retailer will nearly always offer far better quality, far better pricing and far better service.

IMO - at £480, the ring was fairly basic enough, it was probably bought in a chain store and more than likely you paid way over the odds in any case.

I dare you to bring the said ring into a local jeweller and ask for their valuation!!

Or name the store in question and we can see if what you are saying is true or BS. - Looks more and more like BS to me and many others here.

ejmaztec

maxer68 wrote: »

NO - what jett is saying that all jewellers here are over priced and that every jeweller in the UK is not. :rolleyes:

Hate to say this jett, but I lived in the UK long enough to know that most high street chain stores are overly profitable and have a ridiculous head office cost, hence I avoid chain stores wherever possible.

An independent retailer will nearly always offer far better quality, far better pricing and far better service.

IMO - at £480, the ring was fairly basic enough, it was probably bought in a chain store and more than likely you paid way over the odds in any case.

I dare you to bring the said ring into a local jeweller and ask for their valuation!!

Or name the store in question and we can see if what you are saying is true or BS. - Looks more and more like BS to me and many others here.

Ratner's being a prime example of one of these, where Gerald Ratner happened to mention that his company sold crap, and soon afterwards Ratner's went down the pan as a result.

jett

Most everything bought in most any jewellers is well over a reasonable cost. The alternative does not exist.
She is happy, I am happy,unless her friends are lying or ignorant they seem happy.
I have been succesful in my task.
Seems there may be a bit of jealousy creeping in here ( creeping on Elephant sized feet)
Best advice, shop around and compare like for like.
Top "quality" diamonds do not exist for the general public, they are marketed privately.
Manufactured diamonds are better quality, the same material and cheap. Thing is they are not real in the eyes of the punter.
I am now bored with this and anyone is welcome to their own opinion.

ejmaztec

jett wrote: »

Most everything bought in most any jewellers is well over a reasonable cost. The alternative does not exist.
She is happy, I am happy,unless her friends are lying or ignorant they seem happy.
I have been succesful in my task.
Seems there may be a bit of jealousy creeping in here ( creeping on Elephant sized feet)
Best advice, shop around and compare like for like.
Top "quality" diamonds do not exist for the general public, they are marketed privately.
Manufactured diamonds are better quality, the same material and cheap. Thing is they are not real in the eyes of the punter.
I am now bored with this and anyone is welcome to their own opinion.

maxer68

You didn't buy her synthetic diamonds? :eek::eek::eek::D

Damn... I wish I could get away with that!:p

jett

If it makes anyone happy the same ring in London is now E970 so I got a bargain.
From the start I said i would not name the shop so anyone who does not like that need not bother getting involved.

Duddy

...to put a title on that post:P

Fulton Crown

jett wrote: »

very few people bother to post on this board.
If I have done one person a service by making them think before blindly buying at a rip of price and saved them a bit then the flak was worth it.

Name the Store Horse...end of !

maxer68

jett wrote: »

If it makes anyone happy the same ring in London is now E970 so I got a bargain.
From the start I said i would not name the shop so anyone who does not like that need not bother getting involved.

So it isn't a rip-off.

Either you bought it in a sale or it was mis-priced.

If it was bought in a sale at "half price" - you probably just about paid the right price and I would guess the shop was one of the major jewelery chains that have half price sales on every other week.

If it wa sa mis price - then you've done very well.

But no matter what way you are looking at it - it throws your rrip-off agrument out the window and down the river and confirm exactly what most people here have said.

Stupid stupid stupid (the thread not the op)

jett

Like taking candy from a baby.
I omited the title to see if anyone was picky enough to notice:D
And I baited Maxer into his usual moan:D
It is a Rip Off or else the moderatorn would have removed it.
And no the price of gold rose to its highest.
Still i don't care, she liked it, her friends liked it ( or they were being kind) and if the thread has made people think before they buy Jewellery in Irish rip off shops then it was worth it.
Aiii thank yooooo

maxer68

jett wrote: »

Like taking candy from a baby.
I omited the title to see if anyone was picky enough to notice:D
And I baited Maxer into his usual moan:D
It is a Rip Off or else the moderatorn would have removed it.
And no the price of gold rose to its highest.
Still i don't care, she liked it, her friends liked it ( or they were being kind) and if the thread has made people think before they buy Jewellery in Irish rip off shops then it was worth it.
Aiii thank yooooo

all I did was pointed out the utter stupidity of your post and you quite proved yourself.


No baiting - just pointing out that the discrepancy you claimed was down to soemthing else and you've just confirmed it - thus your OP was utter rubbish and of no use whatsoever to anyone.

My guess is you bought it in one of the over priced heavily advertised high rent high street stores and you would have got better value and probably nicer ring dealing with an independent jeweller either in the UK or here in Ireland.

There are plenty of rip-offs both here and the UK - pity this category can't show the real rip-offs and where they're taking place such as the tarmac & gutter types, the "tree surgeons" and others who rip off people who don't know better.

careca11

3 years ago , myself and my wife went to Dubai on holidays ,
my wife's waned to buy a new wedding ring over there , she had a design in her head ,
Got the ring custom made , platnuim with 5 diamond's in it , total cost was €3,000 ......the jeweller's came to the hotel to do fitting and talk over the procedure.

the same ring here in ireland €12,500, :eek:.

my wife's ring is valued at that price here

keithclancy

The pricing of Diamonds is all Voodoo anyway,

With Color Cut Clarity and Carat.

Two of the yolks could look the exact same to the naked eye, one could be 200 euros and the other could be 5 grand because its flawless, clear and perfect cut.

So really you can't say I got X for this price and got the same one somewhere else for X price.

You didn't get the same one period, thats the whole point of Natural Diamonds.

We went to Diamondland in Antwerp, it was a nice experience, got to pick a design for the ring and then pick the diamond and then had a wedding ring made to fit the engagement ring.

You could be trying to save money up the wazoo but at the end of the day its what shes happy with

Myself I got a plain Gold band, not really into Jewelery anyway, hence why I thought it was a good idea she picked it.

Mr. Presentable

As another Poster observed, it is the nature of each diamond to be unique, and by extrapolation each ring. You might compare similar with like but not like with like. I think your premise is weak for this reason, and also that you are unwilling to divulge the "rip-off" merchant, while hoping to glean kudos for saving another poster some cash.

jett

Tha amount of venom on these boards from some people is astonishing

ejmaztec

jett wrote: »

Tha amount of venom on these boards from some people is astonishing

It was half-price day in the venom shop, so there's been a bulk purchase.




(I'm not telling you where the shop is though):pac:

keithclancy

ejmaztec wrote: »

It was half-price day in the venom shop, so there's been a bulk purchase.




(I'm not telling you where the shop is though):pac:

Ah dude ... I found a shop in Ballylickey that lets you pay in sterling ..save you a fortune, damned Euro Venom sellers ripping people off :mad::mad::mad:

jett

:):)
Point is that why do some people snipe at some peoples valid posts but contribute little themselves.
I repeat, people are put off posting for fear of ridicule.
If people read without impuning they might learn something.

Damokc

borderlinemeath

jett wrote: »

:):)
Point is that why do some people snipe at some peoples valid posts but contribute little themselves.
I repeat, people are put off posting for fear of ridicule.
If people read without impuning they might learn something.

What has been the valid point of your post? Because I've been reading this thread for weeks and have yet to find it.

You refuse to name the store that allegedly was charging "rip off" prices.

You have ignored the very valid points made that every diamond is different, regarding the 4 Cs and also varied settings.

Then you say you are "baiting" posters. And then say that there's venom in their posts? Very mature.

jett

Moderator pull the thread