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Queen/Obama Visit - House Searches

  • 11-05-2011 8:26pm
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    I read somewhere that people living along all routes that will be used as transport routes for the two visitors, have had their houses/apartments/homes et al searched for security reasons and/or the people have been interviewed again for security.

    Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumour?

    Has your home searched!? Has you been interviewed!?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    Getting worried are we? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    chin_grin wrote: »
    Getting worried are we? :pac:
    I love Queen Obama.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    I love Queen Obama.

    All hail his Royal Vagesty!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I want to see his royalty certificate still. :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,778 ✭✭✭Pauleta


    Nothing is over the top in terms of protecting the security of probably the 2 most well known heads of state on the planet.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Pauleta wrote: »
    Nothing is over the top in terms of protecting the security of probably the 2 most well known heads of state on the planet.

    Maybe not over the top but illegal....probably.

    I know a mate had Gardai call to his door in Mountjoy Square asking the names of everyone living there. He's American and gave his details. But in reality, they are coming to your house, they don't actually have the right to ask who lives their as far as I know.

    I doubt houses are being searched though, it would only be a matter of time before they come across someone who tells them to fcuk right off and bring it to the papers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    I read somewhere that people living along all routes that will be used as transport routes for the two visitors, have had their houses/apartments/homes et al searched for security reasons and/or the people have been interviewed again for security.

    Anyone know if there's any truth to this rumour?

    Has your home searched!? Has you been interviewed!?


    dun dun duuuuuuuuuuuuun:eek:

    run the germans are coming!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭doopa


    Imagine the bastard child of those two:
    Obama Hussein Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Winsor.

    The germans and al-Quieda together at last.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    doopa wrote: »
    Imagine the bastard child of those two:
    Obama Hussein Saxe-Coburg and Gotha Winsor.

    The germans and al-Quieda together at last.

    I hope anne frank has found a good hiding space


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 210 ✭✭naasface


    yeah i live on the quays and the guards were up because we're on the top floor took all the details-names,d.o.b + previous addresses phone numbers about 2 wks ago. I wasnt in at the time and i got a phone call from store st. stn asking for the above they also checked roof access


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 821 ✭✭✭temply


    thats for the roof top snipers

    dun dun duuuuuuuuun


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    hahaha dun dun duuuuuuuun...the Queen and Cameron now as well are coming!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Jay D


    They were in my friends place but they don't actually search the place. Some questions, brief look and that's it really. Yeah the roof access question was asked as well.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maybe not over the top but illegal....probably.

    I know a mate had Gardai call to his door in Mountjoy Square asking the names of everyone living there. He's American and gave his details. But in reality, they are coming to your house, they don't actually have the right to ask who lives their as far as I know.

    I doubt houses are being searched though, it would only be a matter of time before they come across someone who tells them to fcuk right off and bring it to the papers.

    If I stop you on the street or call to your door I can ask you what I want, however, you don't have to answer the question. If you do then you are being civil. If not, you are being difficult. There are specific laws that allow us to arrest people for the purpose of questioning but thats a different matter.

    Oh, it's been in the papers already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    Maybe not over the top but illegal....probably.

    They're getting court orders that ensure you have to give your details. It's not illegal at all.

    See Dev's thread about it in the Politics forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056264983


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    They're getting court orders that ensure you have to give your details. It's not illegal at all.

    See Dev's thread about it in the Politics forum: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056264983
    They don't even necessarily need a court order, it's contained in Statute in Section 8 of the Data Protection Act 1988 (As Amended)

    Processing of personal data in certain cases

    8.-Any restrictions in this Act on the processing of personal data do not apply if the processing is-
    (a) in the opinion of a member of the Garda Síochána not below the rank of chief
    superintendent or an officer of the Permanent Defence Force who holds an army rank not
    below that of colonel and is designated by the Minister for Defence under this paragraph,
    required for the purpose of safeguarding the security of the State,

    (b) required for the purpose of preventing, detecting or investigating offences, apprehending
    or prosecuting offenders or assessing or collecting any tax, duty or other moneys owed or
    payable to the State, a local authority or a health board, in any case in which the application
    of those restrictions would be likely to prejudice any of the matters aforesaid,

    (c) required in the interests of protecting the international relations of the State,

    (d) required urgently to prevent injury or other damage to the health of a person or serious
    loss of or damage to property,

    (e) required by or under any enactment or by a rule of law or order of a court,

    (f) required for the purposes of obtaining legal advice or for the purposes of, or in the course
    of, legal proceedings in which the person making the disclosure is a party or a witness,

    (g) [deleted 2003 Act]

    (h) made at the request or with the consent of the data subject or a person acting on his behalf.


    It's in relation to Section 2A of the 1988 Act (As Amended by the 2003 Act)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,417 ✭✭✭Miguel_Sanchez


    They don't even necessarily need a court order, it's contained in Statute in Section 8 of the Data Protection Act 1988 (As Amended)

    I bow to your greater knowledge of the statutes of law (and ability to cut and paste!).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    I bow to your greater knowledge of the statutes of law (and ability to cut and paste!).
    Well, I did copy and paste from my own post at least lol.

    I suppose though that anyone refusing to give this data in the "secure area" could be subject to a search warrant granted by the Court.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭steve9859


    It would be ridiculous to have a situation in which there was not a mechanism whereby national security concerns could be put before civil rights for a short period and with court approval. If anything happened to either Liz or Obama it would be a disaster for Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭donegalgirl28


    So my mother has her chemotherapy appointment next week, Wed and Thurs, how am I meant to get from Finglas to JAmes's Hospital with all these road closures????? the M50 is closed, Christchurch and James St.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    So my mother has her chemotherapy appointment next week, Wed and Thurs, how am I meant to get from Finglas to JAmes's Hospital with all these road closures????? the M50 is closed, Christchurch and James St.

    Because the simple fact is that they dont give a damn about ordinary people..the country wants to be seen to spread its arsecheeks for all these foreign "dignitaries" no matter the cost in discomfiture.

    In my job we were told we can take a day's leave..come into work and we might not be let in or sit under a form of "house arrest" untill the visit is over..which could be hours...assuming we can actually get in in the first place.

    Closing a bloody motorway that links 1.3 million people..idiocy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    steve9859 wrote: »
    It would be ridiculous to have a situation in which there was not a mechanism whereby national security concerns could be put before civil rights for a short period and with court approval.

    You mean like an Enabling Act?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    So my mother has her chemotherapy appointment next week, Wed and Thurs, how am I meant to get from Finglas to JAmes's Hospital with all these road closures????? the M50 is closed, Christchurch and James St.

    Christchurch and James St won't be closed (at least I bloody hope they won't) you just won't be able to park on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 684 ✭✭✭donegalgirl28


    There will be temporary closures on the N7/Naas Rd, N4/Lucan Rd, M50 and North and South Quays at various times between 17th and 20th May.

    So the south quays are near Christchurch and James St. I can't think of another one to get to get across the water. It's ****ing ridiculous. I had no problems with the queen coming over but I never realised how much was involved. The amount of money that IReland will be losing during those days aswell. Absolutely shocking.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    The amount of money that IReland will be losing during those days aswell. Absolutely shocking.

    You may be sure that certain "People" will be profiting from the whole sordid mess..I'm looking at the Gombeens and thier Usual Suspects.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    The eyes of the world will be upon you; scrub up well & try not to mess it up


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    old hippy wrote: »
    The eyes of the world will be upon you; scrub up well & try not to mess it up

    Nobody gives a damn..Its like they Eurovision..every country watching is glad they dont have to host it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    So my mother has her chemotherapy appointment next week, Wed and Thurs, how am I meant to get from Finglas to JAmes's Hospital with all these road closures????? the M50 is closed, Christchurch and James St.
    pithater1 wrote: »
    Christchurch and James St won't be closed (at least I bloody hope they won't) you just won't be able to park on them.
    There will be temporary closures on the N7/Naas Rd, N4/Lucan Rd, M50 and North and South Quays at various times between 17th and 20th May.

    So the south quays are near Christchurch and James St. I can't think of another one to get to get across the water. It's ****ing ridiculous. I had no problems with the queen coming over but I never realised how much was involved. The amount of money that IReland will be losing during those days aswell. Absolutely shocking.

    pithater1 is correct, Christchurch and James Street will not be closed.

    The Quays are also not going to be closed the whole time. They will be periodically closed and Gardaí will put diversions in place. If you're unlucky enough to arrive at a time they are closed, they will tell you exactly how to get your mother to the hospital, just leave yourself plenty of time.

    Not taking the piss either, but you don't need to take the M50 to get into town... that's probably the worst way to go IMO. Take this route, I work on Church Street and I know that it will be open and you can avoid the Quays really.

    I don't know what you mean about the amount of money we'll be losing? We'll lose nothing. Shops will not be closed, business will see increase, tourism will increase... it's win win for us.
    Less than a week of minor inconvenience to boost our economy? Jesus the Joe Duffy crowd will find anything to complain about won't they?:rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    business will see increase, tourism will increase...

    How do you figure that,exactly?

    Are more people going to visit Ireland coz the Queen was here? Will these hugely increased numbers offset the expense we've incurred looking after her welfare?

    Tourism will NOt increase because of the queen..tourists who are already here will find themselves,inconvenienced,like the rest of us.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    http://www.thepost.ie/story/text/ojgbkfeyql/
    A royal opportunity
    08 May 2011

    Tourism Ireland is hoping that the visits in May of Queen Elizabeth II and Barack Obama will boost Ireland’s profile as a tourist destination, writes Catherine O’Mahony

    In his office in Dublin city centre, Niall Gibbons, chief executive of Tourism Ireland, has a large framed print of a photograph of the visit of England’s King George V to Ireland in the summer of 1911.

    The print, identical to one Tourism Ireland recently presented as a gift to British prime minister David Cameron, shows thousands of Dubliners lining the streets, and even a smattering of Union flags, as the British royal visit proceeds past Trinity College.

    Gibbons - and everyone else seeking a turnaround in Ireland’s tourism fortunes - is hoping Queen Elizabeth’s visit to Ireland will be similarly well received. The queen will be the first British monarch to make an official visit here in 100 years.

    The timing is good, coming so soon after the glitzy wedding of Prince William, which attracted huge TV audiences globally. The royal schedule also reads like a checklist of the jewels in the Tourism Ireland crown: the queen will be going to the Guinness Storehouse (Dublin’s most popular tourist attraction), the National Stud in Kildare (perfect for the horsey set), the Rock of Cashel (for splendour and history) and Cork’s Old English Market (an opportunity to showcase Ireland’s food culture).

    If Gibbons had designed a promotional stunt targeted at the sort of Britons Ireland most wants to attract (culture vultures and sightseers), he could hardly have done better.

    He said more than 500 journalists would accompany the queen, and each would receive media packs containing extensive information about Ireland’s broader appeal as a holiday destination for anyone interested in following up their royal stories with tourism features. The message to be relayed was ‘‘back to basics’’.

    ‘‘Ireland’s open for business, it is a fun and engaging place to go, it’s good value, and there’s never been a better time to come here," said Gibbons.

    In Britain, royal watchers who follow the queen’s progress on ITV and Channel 4 will also see Tourism Ireland’s TV ads, which have been timed to air with news coverage. The Times newspaper will carry a weekend supplement on Ireland and Tourism Ireland has supplied BBC radio with historical material and contacts for coverage of past royal visits.

    Journalists will be sent prerecorded broadcast material and a selection of images of the queen’s destinations.

    The queen will be followed by an official visit from US President Barack Obama (and his own invariably giant entourage of press) later in May. In the same week, Dublin is also hosting the Uefa Europa League final.

    ‘‘In terms of timing and of scale, this is a unique opportunity,"‘ said Gibbons. ‘‘From a selfish tourism perspective, this is a chance to tell a new story about Ireland in global markets, a good upbeat story, to a wide variety of audiences."

    The past few years have been challenging for Tourism Ireland. After a 2007 peak, which saw nine million overseas visitors arrive here, it’s been a story of gradual decline.

    In 2010, 6.6 million overseas visitors came to the island of Ireland, delivering revenue of about €3 billion. The British visitor total was 3.5 million, down from a peak of nearly five million.

    The staycation trend in Britain is the biggest single problem for Tourism Ireland, because this market accounts for 50 per cent of tourist numbers and 35 per cent of revenue in a typical year.

    Gibbons acknowledged that significant challenges remained, in the shape of fewer flights arriving in Ireland from overseas. While hotel and food prices have come down, there remain other cost issues, such as the high price of petrol, which makes rental car-based holidays less appealing.

    Officially, Tourism Ireland is hoping for a 4 per cent lift in visitor numbers this year, marking a welcome return to growth that’s expected to continue into 2012.

    The drivers of growth, he believes, will be markets such as Germany, France and the US, where consumer confidence is rising. US visitor numbers to Ireland were first to drop, he pointed out and would be the first to bounce back.

    In the past, one million Americans came here each year, but that number has dropped to 900,000.

    The last quarter of 2010 already showed a significant improvement, however, with US business up 13 per cent, Canada up 13 per cent and Germany up 3 per cent.

    The British market was probably not yet ready to recover, Gibbons said, notwithstanding the impact of the queen’s visit and a 30 per cent increase in marketing investment in Britain this year. In the last quarter of 2010, British visitor numbers fell slightly. Gibbons said this did not undermine the importance of the queen’s visit.

    ‘‘The big thing is more the legacy this will leave," he said.

    ‘‘We’ve had so many negative images of Ireland internationally, and I think they have been around for too long. But we’re still the same country. We’re still in the top six holiday destinations for people in France and Germany. And we’re a major must-do destination for many Americans."

    Gibbons said Germany, because of its wealth and its people’s enthusiasm for travel, was a significant growth market for Ireland. Ireland gets just 0.5 per cent of German overseas tourism, and the official target for the next four years was to grow this to 1.2 per cent. A large proportion of German visitors here are under 35, so Tourism Ireland has been using Facebook to make contact with them, as well as starting its first ever German TV campaign.

    The Tourism Ireland Facebook page has 350,000 fans, and is growing at a rate of around 3,000 a day.

    Tourism Ireland is also making efforts to secure more of the Middle Eastern and Chinese markets. ‘‘By 2020, China will be the biggest outbound market in the world," said Gibbons.

    ‘‘We’re limited here in terms of lack of direct air access, but we’re working on that."

    Asked to identify the greatest challenge facing Irish tourism this year and next , Gibbons said air access. While sea access was good, he said the reduction in airline routes operating into Ireland was a problem. The government’s plan to abolish air travel tax was welcome, but a major change was needed from airlines.

    This aside, he said he had good hopes for some niche areas, such as business tourism, which was starting to rebound.

    ‘‘The outlook is getting considerably brighter," he said.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,175 ✭✭✭cosmic


    Slightly off topic but I imagine that house and car burglaries and petty crime will definitely be on the increase during Queenie's visit, what with all the Gardai deployed to ensuring her safety. Boo :(



    .


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy



    A press release..oh goody!
    ‘‘Ireland’s open for business, it is a fun and engaging place to go, it’s good value, and there’s never been a better time to come here," said Gibbons.


    but
    Gibbons acknowledged that significant challenges remained, in the shape of fewer flights arriving in Ireland from overseas. While hotel and food prices have come down, there remain other cost issues, such as the high price of petrol, which makes rental car-based holidays less appealing


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Degsy wrote: »
    How do you figure that,exactly?

    Are more people going to visit Ireland coz the Queen was here? Will these hugely increased numbers offset the expense we've incurred looking after her welfare?

    Tourism will NOt increase because of the queen..tourists who are already here will find themselves,inconvenienced,like the rest of us.

    It will showcase Ireland, as I said, everyone's watching. If they're impressed with how well turned out you are; that can only be a good thing.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    old hippy wrote: »
    It will showcase Ireland, as I said, everyone's watching. If they're impressed with how well turned out you are; that can only be a good thing.

    And that implies that they havnt been watching the news or reading the papers for the past two years,or have no friends who've been here and told them what a rip-off it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Nice propaganda there FreudianSlippers. The city centre will be closed at unspecified times throughout the period in question. The public will not have guaranteed access to the shopping areas with road closures all over, the uncertainly of it all will drive shoppers away to the suburbs. The Zoo for example will lose millions of euro due to its long closure. Workers will not be able to access their jobs, thats loss of earnings. God help the taxi drivers!

    The British queen will be visiting Guinness Brewery, that will mean the poster will not be able to access James Hospital by any mobile transport on the day she visits(which we do not even know exact time yet). If its another day, the Finglas bus will not make it into town as she will be somewhere else in the city!!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Degsy wrote: »
    And that implies that they havnt been watching the news or reading the papers for the past two years,or have no friends who've been here and told them what a rip-off it is.

    Possibly. Possibly not.

    If they are Irelandcentric or Hibernophiles, I'm sure they have an idea of what's what.

    I just think you'll be under a bit more scrutiny than usual. Hells teeth, I don't really give a stuff at the end of the day, just think it would be a shame if it goes tits up...


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,601 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    cosmic wrote: »
    Slightly off topic but I imagine that house and car burglaries and petty crime will definitely be on the increase during Queenie's visit, what with all the Gardai deployed to ensuring her safety. Boo :(



    .

    This is something everyone needs to be aware of - no matter where you are living in Ireland. Gardai are being redeployed from rural districts to entire different divisions next week in order to facilitate the policing operation, and opportunists will be out in force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Degsy wrote: »
    A press release..oh goody!




    but
    If you read the article, it clearly is in reference to challenges in bringing in tourism and business tourism from Asia.

    old hippy wrote: »
    Possibly. Possibly not.

    If they are Irelandcentric or Hibernophiles, I'm sure they have an idea of what's what.

    I just think you'll be under a bit more scrutiny than usual. Hells teeth, I don't really give a stuff at the end of the day, just think it would be a shame if it goes tits up...

    I'm with you 100% here. I couldn't give half a toss about the Queen or her visit. I'm just sick of the mis-information and bull**** that certain posters are putting forward.
    A complete lack of evidence and claims that are not only untrue, but wholly unsubstantiated.

    Fine if they think it won't help tourism, they're wrong and they're entitled to be wrong. But quit the ****... if they are pissed because it's the Queen then say so. Stop this beating around the bush making up falsities regarding the visit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    gurramok wrote: »
    Nice propaganda there FreudianSlippers. The city centre will be closed at unspecified times throughout the period in question. The public will not have guaranteed access to the shopping areas with road closures all over, the uncertainly of it all will drive shoppers away to the suburbs. The Zoo for example will lose millions of euro due to its long closure. Workers will not be able to access their jobs, thats loss of earnings. God help the taxi drivers!

    The British queen will be visiting Guinness Brewery, that will mean the poster will not be able to access James Hospital by any mobile transport on the day she visits(which we do not even know exact time yet). If its another day, the Finglas bus will not make it into town as she will be somewhere else in the city!!
    This is just blatantly untrue.

    The city centre will not be closed at all. Public transport will run, pedestrians will still be allowed access and roads will be open at almost all times (bar the M50, N7 & N4) but diversions will be put in place temporarily where and when necessary.

    James' hospital will be accessible at all times, to say anything to the contrary is untrue and scaremongering.

    Where do you get your information or are you just making it up?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    If you read the article, it clearly is in reference to challenges in bringing in tourism and business tourism from Asia.


    The biggest challenges to bringing tourists in from anywhere is the fact that ireland,especially for tourists represents shiite value for money.

    In addition how many Begoorah McIrishman americans save up for a trip to the Auld Sod to find almost everybody in the tourist industry is actually foreign?

    If we wantto attract them back it'll take more than a patronising visit from the old Swan-Eater,thats for sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Degsy wrote: »
    The biggest challenges to bringing tourists in from anywhere is the fact that ireland,especially for tourists represents shiite value for money.

    In addition how many Begoorah McIrishman americans save up for a trip to the Auld Sod to find almost everybody in the tourist industry is actually foreign?

    If we wantto attract them back it'll take more than a patronising visit from the old Swan-Eater,thats for sure.
    You're comparing apples to oranges now.

    Obama's trip is focused on US American tourism and business relations.

    The Queen's visit is focused on bringing it Britons for non-weekend warrior binge drinking trips. An attempt to bring over Britons with their families for mini-breaks to do tourist-y things.
    The Pound to Euro conversion is actually strongly in the favour of them coming here.

    I know you're so blindly opposed you refuse to see any other points, but you must accept that the concept of attempting to attract tourism money is worth a minor inconvenience... it's not like we're going to have LESS tourists coming over; that is unless we have lax security and someone tries to kill Obama and/or the Queen.

    Seriously just rationally think about this for a second. Being opposed to the visit is totally different than being opposed to security. Get over it, the visit is happening and security needs to be there to stop these ideological zealots from doing something ****ing stupid.

    I live in the city and I don't give a flying **** if they want to search me. I have nothing to hide.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,288 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    gurramok wrote: »
    Nice propaganda there FreudianSlippers. The city centre will be closed at unspecified times throughout the period in question. The public will not have guaranteed access to the shopping areas with road closures all over, the uncertainly of it all will drive shoppers away to the suburbs. The Zoo for example will lose millions of euro due to its long closure. Workers will not be able to access their jobs, thats loss of earnings. God help the taxi drivers!

    The British queen will be visiting Guinness Brewery, that will mean the poster will not be able to access James Hospital by any mobile transport on the day she visits(which we do not even know exact time yet). If its another day, the Finglas bus will not make it into town as she will be somewhere else in the city!!

    For info the zoo will be closed on 17 and 23 May only.

    It will open as normal on all other days.

    Tends to help to check the facts before making sweeping statements.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    complete lack of evidence and claims that are not only untrue, but wholly unsubstantiated.

    Fine if they think it won't help tourism, they're wrong
    Wheres your evidence that it will "help tourism" then?

    I see no way that the queen of England coming here would "help tourism".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Wheres your evidence that it will "help tourism" then?

    I see no way that the queen of England coming here would "help tourism".
    See post 42. There is empirical evidence from the fact that visits help countries especially when riding on the tails of a large international event (ie the wedding).

    We'll see in a few weeks. What do I get when I'm right? ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭CiaranC


    See post 42. There is empirical evidence from the fact that visits help countries especially when riding on the tails of a large international event (ie the wedding).
    Theres no evidence in post 42, just you talking throught your hat.
    We'll see in a few weeks. What do I get when I'm right? ;)
    You win your right to privacy back. Nothing to hide indeed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭Spacedog


    I wonder if the queen felt like it, and she asked politely her 'loyal' subjects in the north to return home to the mainland, would they obey? I doubt it. Perhaps she should attend an irish secondary school history class, that'd be good :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    This is just blatantly untrue.

    The city centre will not be closed at all. Public transport will run, pedestrians will still be allowed access and roads will be open at almost all times (bar the M50, N7 & N4) but diversions will be put in place temporarily where and when necessary.

    James' hospital will be accessible at all times, to say anything to the contrary is untrue and scaremongering.

    Where do you get your information or are you just making it up?

    I said "The city centre will be closed at unspecified times throughout the period in question.", that is true. It will not be closed all the time, reread again.

    Roads will be closed in the city centre at unspecified times, that is a fact.

    And how will public transport get access to the city centre when other forms of transport will be barred? Are they going to search everyone on a bus?!

    How will James hospital be accessible when she is visiting the Guinness Brewery? Do you expect sick people attending the outpatients to walk for miles to get there? Kindly explain.

    lxflyer wrote:
    For info the zoo will be closed on 17 and 23 May only.

    It will open as normal on all other days.

    Tends to help to check the facts before making sweeping statements.

    Where is your source? I'll help you http://www.dublinzoo.ie/News/66-40/Dublin-Zoo-Opening-Times-from-17-May-to-24-May.aspx

    Note the word restricted.
    For security reasons and on advice from An Garda Síochána access to Dublin Zoo will be restricted from 17 May to 24 May. Dublin Zoo will be open as normal from 9.30am – 6pm on 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 24 May. Dublin Zoo will be closed on 17 and 23 May only. Parking and pedestrian access will be restricted from 17 – 24 May.

    Please see further details below:

    17 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be closed


    18, 19, 20 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be open as normal from 9.30am – 6.00pm
    No parking will be permitted within the Phoenix Park
    Pedestrians will gain entry via North Circular Road gate only

    21 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be open as normal from 9.30am – 6.00pm
    Dublin Zoo will host Africa Day celebrations all day
    Phoenix Park will be open to Dublin Zoo visitors only
    Limited car parking will be available for Dublin Zoo visitors only
    Access will be permitted via Park Gate Street entrance only

    22 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be open as normal from 9.30am – 6.00pm
    Phoenix Park will be open to Dublin Zoo visitors only
    Limited car parking will be available for Dublin Zoo visitors only
    Access will be permitted via Park Gate Street entrance only

    23 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be closed


    24 May:

    Dublin Zoo will be open as normal from 9.30am – 6.00pm
    No parking will be permitted within the Phoenix Park
    Pedestrians will gain entry via North Circular Road gate only

    Parking is banned, bus routes will be restricted as well as vehicular travel. "Pedestrians will gain entry via North Circular Road gate only", how will they reach that gate, do you expect visitors to walk for miles to get there and then be subject to random searches?

    And will the Zoo be compensated for loss of revenue from the lack of visitors?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    CiaranC wrote: »
    Theres no evidence in post 42, just you talking throught your hat.


    You win your right to privacy back. Nothing to hide indeed.
    Ok, so what evidence do you have that it'll have no effect or that it'll damage tourism.

    I mean other than the fact that we've seen it boosted before on other similar visits and it's proven in this country and other countries that it does.
    No, but because you, Mr. keyboard warrior, says it doesn't... it doesn't.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    The Queen's visit is focused on bringing it Britons for non-weekend warrior binge drinking trips. An attempt to bring over Britons with their families for mini-breaks to do tourist-y things.

    Who says??
    HOW is the queen coming here making it a better destination for English families???

    Why would they come here when they're just as close to france..the weather is better,the prices lower,the facilities are better,the food and drink is excellent and most of all there's a history of British families goingther on holidays.

    Anybody briniging two kids here for a fortnight to stay on a caravan site(if we have them) would end up paying around 5 grand for the privilege.

    Ireland is a shiit destination and thats because of the greed and stupidity of the Govt and the people working in the tourism industry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    gurramok wrote: »
    I said "The city centre will be closed at unspecified times throughout the period in question.", that is true. It will not be closed all the time, reread again.
    I read it the first time. It's wrong. The City Centre will NOT be closed.
    Certain roads will be temporarily closed to vehicular traffic only and diversions will be put in place.
    Roads will be closed in the city centre at unspecified times, that is a fact.
    See above. Temporarily and diversions will be in place.
    And how will public transport get access to the city centre when other forms of transport will be barred? Are they going to search everyone on a bus?!
    All forms of transport are not barred. Buses are being informed of when certain stretches of road will be closed and will divert as will all other traffic. At no stage will all CC roads be closed and it's highly unlikely that the N & S Quays will ever be closed at the same time or for any extended period of time.

    How will James hospital be accessible when she is visiting the Guinness Brewery? Do you expect sick people attending the outpatients to walk for miles to get there? Kindly explain.
    Simple. James's Street will not be closed. It is not on the list of streets that will have disruptions. Even if it was, which it isn't, why not access from the other direction?


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