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What the Fukkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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  • 11-05-2011 12:38pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭


    Ok, so my problems about this stuff are fukin endless.

    So, I dropped out of college because I could not get the grant.
    I applied for JSA in August but it took until November for my college to send me a piece of papaer saying that I had left.

    I applied for JSA on 15th November 2010. I heard nothing until April when I had to go to an inspector, which turned out to be a mistake.

    I get my JSA confimation today, and I can collect it tommorow, 12th May 2011 (7 fukin months later), and it says:

    Personal Rate: 100
    Increase for Qualified Adult: 0
    Increase for (0) child(ren): 0
    Less Means: 59.00
    ______________
    Your total weekly rate is: 41.00


    Did they honestly make me wait 7 months for 41 euro a week? And if so, who do I have to track down and knock the fuk out. Seriously, what the fuk is going on with this. Answers?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭redz11


    If you're under 21, I think that the maximum rate you're entitled to is €100 a week.

    The €59 means they have subtracted from this is probably your parents income, the basis of these calculations should be included with the letter you received?

    When I was living at home being assessed for JSA, they had calculated my father's monthly income as weekly income instead, and told me I wasn't entitled to anything. So it's worth your while checking your calculations, and there is an appeals process there if they've actually made a mistake. Details of the address you can send your appeal to should have been included in the letter you received.

    By the way, as far as I know, you'll get all of the allowance you're entitled to back-dated from when you first made the claim (I'm open to correction there though!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Yeah well, my brother was living in the same house as me and signed on at like 20, and he was on 190 a week. I calculated my back money at 70euro and people were like "Nah man thats fuk all, you will get higher than that" but I just trying to stop any dissappointment, but 41euro? Thats the lowest Ive ever heard of, and 7 months is the longest Ive ever heard someone waiting. If this isnt a mistake, Ill save up, buy a car, get a loan and leave the country. I cant actually believe they would do that.

    Im under 21 and live with my parents, sure, I understand deducatble money and stuff, and 70euro would have been perfect, no issues with me or nothing, I'd be fine with it. But I dont know if I can actually live on 41euro a week. I mean my parents will want dig money and wont be buying me food or nothing. I cant get a job as I live in a little town with nothing going and I dont drive and at 41euro a week how can I even think about insurance and buying a car? What do they actually expect me to do here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭bobmalooka


    Your pretty much expected to sit in a room and rot away.

    Go to your local SW office and speak to someone about it.Ask for a breakdown of the figures and double check them


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    Have a read of THIS

    You can appeal all decisions, probably take till Christmas but keep on them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Well what have you been living on since you dropped out of college? If you did your sums wrong and expected a windfall then I don't feel that bad for you. You're clearly okay or you would have been entitled to more.

    Sounds like your parents are supporting you anyway, if they will support you to do nothing at home then I'm sure they would have supported you to stay in college. Sounds like you played your cards wrong.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Lavattack


    You should get backpayed from the time you signed on. Should get over €1100 when you go post office for 1st time so just make that last buddy


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Well what have you been living on since you dropped out of college? If you did your sums wrong and expected a windfall then I don't feel that bad for you. You're clearly okay or you would have been entitled to more.

    Sounds like your parents are supporting you anyway, if they will support you to do nothing at home then I'm sure they would have supported you to stay in college. Sounds like you played your cards wrong.

    My parents supported me as in paid for the college fees and paid my house rent in college. I was supposed to get a job but with no experience, no one would hire me. I lived off friends for the year pretty much and then had to leave after the year. I still owe the friends the money.

    My parents said they'd give me money on loan until my JSA came through. They even cut the tab after 5 months because it was taking ridiculously wrong, so now I owe them money and they wont give me any more money. Hence, I dont have to pay rent, but I have to live on 41euro.

    I never calculated wrong, I never calculated. I just know that I have friends in not too unsimilar situations who dont get anywhere near as ow as 41. They have like drinking money and fun money after the living money.
    Plazaman wrote:
    Have a read of THIS

    You can appeal all decisions, probably take till Christmas but keep on them.

    Thanks, but Ive been waiting since August, when I first made an application and my college took ages to send the confirmation of leave letter. Im not waiting until Christmas again.
    bobmalooka wrote:
    Your pretty much expected to sit in a room and rot away.

    Go to your local SW office and speak to someone about it.Ask for a breakdown of the figures and double check them

    Yeah, thats what I expected. They want me to obay the law but give me an unlivable amount of money? I'm a smart enough dude, but if I have to break the law to stay out of a homeless shelter, I will.

    Yeah I'm going to go to the post office and get my money tommorow, and then go back up to the SWO and ask them whats the story.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Lavattack wrote: »
    You should get backpayed from the time you signed on. Should get over €1100 when you go post office for 1st time so just make that last buddy

    Yeah, seems all good, but like, that money WILL run out. I cant get a job until I get driving, because I like in a ****ty little town which is already filled with my CVs. I cant get a car and insurance on 1100, so all that will happen is that I can survive a year living **** on that money, and then Im back to square one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 543 ✭✭✭CK2010


    you might be entitled to supplementary welfare allowance if the amount of JSA you're entitled to is too little for you to support yourself. the CWO will tell you if you are or not and give you the forms. just have all documents etc. ready so you can get it all sorted ASAP. best of luck

    Also: the SWA can be given as an emergency payment too so if you can get a job that requires a car or whatever and can prove that its needed you may be able to claim for the cost of the car and pay it back when you're earning or through your backpayments or whatever other method that suits. worth a mention to your CWO. but you do have to prove it without a doubt, you cant just buy a nice flashy car and expect them to pay like!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    You are living rent free, presumably eating mommy and daddys food that they pay for. What do you NEED money for?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Melion wrote: »
    You are living rent free, presumably eating mommy and daddys food that they pay for. What do you NEED money for?

    Momma and Daddy stopped that deal when I left college. They ran a tab whilst I waited on my JSA, and at 41 euro a week, I'd pay them in hugs before in money. I'm 19, I would now be in finishing my 3rd year of college, almost ready to leave the country and start life with a qualified job elsewhere, if I could have survived in college. I'd prefer to be living rough elsewhere than living off my parents for the rest of my life, and it seems to be headed that way.
    CK2010 wrote:
    you might be entitled to supplementary welfare allowance if the amount of JSA you're entitled to is too little for you to support yourself. the CWO will tell you if you are or not and give you the forms. just have all documents etc. ready so you can get it all sorted ASAP. best of luck

    Also: the SWA can be given as an emergency payment too so if you can get a job that requires a car or whatever and can prove that its needed you may be able to claim for the cost of the car and pay it back when you're earning or through your backpayments or whatever other method that suits. worth a mention to your CWO. but you do have to prove it without a doubt, you cant just buy a nice flashy car and expect them to pay like!

    Thanks, I'll TRY and put this into effect. I might just start looking at jobs abroad first though, fuk this country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Oh and one last thing, I need my social services card to collect my payment but I dont have one, what do I do?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    So you don't have to pay rent, and you don't have to pay for your food and your problem is that you only have €41 to live on (which seems unfair as some of your friends get more money to enjoy themselves on)? Hmmmmm - you're not exactly the worst victim of the current recession to be honest.

    Your parents are not going to throw you out, you will not end up in a homeless shelter and you will not have to break the law to survive. You'll just have to live a very frugal life.

    And once you get a job you can move out. You won't necessarily even need a car. Once you're earning you can live near the job if needs be.

    Just make sure you pay your Mam and Dad off when your SW back payment comes through - you'll need their goodwill in the meantime.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    So you don't have to pay rent, and you don't have to pay for your food and your problem is that you only have €41 to live on (which seems unfair as some of your friends get more money to enjoy themselves on)? Hmmmmm - you're not exactly the worst victim of the current recession to be honest.

    Your parents are not going to throw you out, you will not end up in a homeless shelter and you will not have to break the law to survive. You'll just have to live a very frugal life.

    And once you get a job you can move out. You won't necessarily even need a car. Once you're earning you can live near the job if needs be.

    Just make sure you pay your Mam and Dad off when your SW back payment comes through - you'll need their goodwill in the meantime.

    No, as I said the deal ran out. At this point, I'm looking at 500euro+ I owe my parents, and they WANT the money. They wont be buying me food starting today, they will be asking me for dig money starting today...the credit has maxed out.

    I've tried like FUK to get a job, I dont want to be scum claiming off the dole. But seriously, there is nowhere in locallity hiring. I've send CVs into everywhere, but since I went school>college, all I have to use as experience is an unpaid week I spend in work experience with my dad in like 2009, which isnt getting me very far. I was not just sitting at home for a year, I was looking for work, online and off, and I have gotten nowhere as at the end of the day I am an unqualified, unexperienced 19 year old. The only way to get a job is to commute or live elsewhere...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    They know you dont have €500 a week to give them, tell them you will give them the €41 every week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    I might be able to skip the dig money, but they wont be buying me food anymore. That means 41-41=0....and then I have 0euros to buy food with...see the problem?

    I didnt say 500euro a week anyways, the fuk i live with donald trump? I owe them about 500 in total, and they will be asking me for money any chance they can. but, I mean 41euro.

    Plus, even if I can scrape buy, I dont want that life. Who wants a "I sit with my mum and dad everyday eating my tesco cereal because thats all I can afford". Thats not life, and I'd be swinging from a rope before I waste years of my life away not enjoying myself (If rope wassent so damn expensive that is!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Well if you only owe them 500 then give them that out of your backpayment and save the rest. Then give them your dole each week - at last as a part time measure. And go off and appeal your case to SW.

    Why don't you look at moving abroad for a while - perhaps you could teach English in Japan or something (all accommodation and everything paid for). It doesn't cost that much to do a TEFL course.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Well if you only owe them 500 then give them that out of your backpayment and save the rest. Then give them your dole each week - at last as a part time measure. And go off and appeal your case to SW.

    Why don't you look at moving abroad for a while - perhaps you could teach English in Japan or something (all accommodation and everything paid for). It doesn't cost that much to do a TEFL course.

    I'd do something like that but honestly, I don't know a thing about stuff like that. I moved here when I was 11 an my family are clueless about courses and grants too (Hence how I lived in a house where all of my friends parents earned more than mine, yet they had the grant :S). Is there anyway that I can get a better understanding of the options of leaving the country and stuff? Like a website. Like here I just come on and complain how the government are as I whine 'fukin me over' blah blah, but I actually dont have any idea of options on what else I can do, like teaching english in japan for example. Is there a super site which has all the information i nthe world on it (damn my sarcasim!). Thanks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 redux


    You dropped out of college because you couldn't get a grant?
    Why not?
    Your parents paid the fees and rent, yet you still dropped out?
    What were you expecting? A happy life on the dole?
    Get a grip.
    There's thousands of unemployed people struggling through life on social welfare payments, people who paid their taxes and PRSI for years, people who have already paid their dues.

    So stop whining until you have contributed and earned the right to whine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Well if you only owe them 500 then give them that out of your backpayment and save the rest. Then give them your dole each week - at last as a part time measure. And go off and appeal your case to SW.

    Why don't you look at moving abroad for a while - perhaps you could teach English in Japan or something (all accommodation and everything paid for). It doesn't cost that much to do a TEFL course.

    Wrote out a massive message only to click "Sign into Yahoo" grrr.

    Is there anyway for me to find out more of those options regarding abroad working. I am literally blank in knowledge about all of that stuff. As fun as it is venting my anger through this site, I still want to actually do something about it other than whine about my situation. If nothing is helping me to achieve some goals, then I have to force them, but I just dont know any of my options and dont know where to find them.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 355 ✭✭Lavattack


    Oh and one last thing, I need my social services card to collect my payment but I dont have one, what do I do?

    You should have been sent out a temporary card. Its about 4" by 6" and yellow if memory serves.

    Dude you are no worse off than most your(our) age. I am 22. No qualification or a leaving cert. I owe about 15k at the moment like so 500 aint bad.

    Also yes you can get on the road for 1100. Buy a cheap car with a NCT and pay your insurance monthly. It works out a small bit more expensive but if you can't afford it consider that option.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    redux wrote: »
    You dropped out of college because you couldn't get a grant?
    Why not?
    Your parents paid the fees and rent, yet you still dropped out?
    What were you expecting? A happy life on the dole?
    Get a grip.
    There's thousands of unemployed people struggling through life on social welfare payments, people who paid their taxes and PRSI for years, people who have already paid their dues.

    So stop whining until you have contributed and earned the right to whine.

    I just reference my whining in my last poast :D.

    I couldnt get a grant as my parents were over the limit, but JUST over. And the genuinley never had the money to have me living well.

    Yeah, fees and rent...oh, what are we missing...ermm....ermm...oh yeah...staying alive. They werent giving me money to eat, and I couldnt get a job. I survived like a year without any money, but I couldnt do that for another three.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Noo


    Consider yourself lucky...i was only on €40 a week!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 393 ✭✭sherdydan


    Thanks, I'll TRY and put this into effect. I might just start looking at jobs abroad first though, fuk this country.

    So you cant find a job in your locality, yet you will happily leave the country, rather than 30 or 40 miles up the road say.

    you have a disgusting sense of entitlement, and with the attitude you have, you are being given 41 euro a week too much, and hopefully you will feck off outta here!:pac:

    That's the one good thing about the recession, it's getting rid of alot of the deadwood who would have happily hung around the country doing as little as possible to get by


  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭NinjaNikki


    41 euro is better then nothing so pull ur pant's up and get a grip! I'm 19 have no money to my name and trying to get JSA i have no food bar few crackers and block cheese and im fine with that if i get 41 euro a week i would be happy you have to think right at least you have a roof over your head at least you have a warm bet so what if you can not do stuff at the end of the day ur better off then most people me included!


    Also the way u are putting it your saying your parents will kick you out and make you starve i some how find this very unlikely that your parents would make you go off with out food!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Lavattack wrote: »
    You should have been sent out a temporary card. Its about 4" by 6" and yellow if memory serves.

    Dude you are no worse off than most your(our) age. I am 22. No qualification or a leaving cert. I owe about 15k at the moment like so 500 aint bad.

    Also yes you can get on the road for 1100. Buy a cheap car with a NCT and pay your insurance monthly. It works out a small bit more expensive but if you can't afford it consider that option.

    Do I have to get it renewed? It ran out in February.

    Yeah I know, it just sucks because everyone around me seems to be running easy. Everyone I lived with in college had parents with non-taxed jobs, and they all had money from parents and a full grant. My friend, despite not even doing his end of year exams, got a grant two years in a row and then once again never did his exams (on some technicality he got two years of grant despite failing). I was just hoping that I could have a decent dole that I could save up and do something with it, but it looks like Ill be saving, saving, saving and getting nowhere.

    TBH I dont know a anything about cars, I'll see what I can do in getting one for that money. Need to retake the test first.


  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭Triangla


    Why not get move out as soon as you get backpay.

    Move somewhere with better job prospects. You'll probably also get better supports as you're not living at home.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Listen to everyone complaining. I bet the majority of you got a job from your dads friend and then everything worked out well from then on. Im trying my best to do something with myself, and Im trying to find a way to do it. It will be a crazy struggle with 41euro a week, and then again it might never happen. I dont want to live in my parents house, I dont want to live off other people, but I dont have any options as it stands. No job is being handed to me. I want to leave the country as I might be able to get something easier there. I'm like number 1 person to say that the dole gives you too much money, but Im sick of things going against me apparently. Perhaps across the country there are worse off people, but Im not compairing myself to them, and you can be sure that they complain about it too.

    I was just looking to see if someone could help me find out about this, and to see if someone could give me any options I could do rather than sit at home and live off 41euro a week.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,259 ✭✭✭✭Melion


    Listen to everyone complaining. I bet the majority of you got a job from your dads friend and then everything worked out well from then on. Im trying my best to do something with myself, and Im trying to find a way to do it. It will be a crazy struggle with 41euro a week, and then again it might never happen. I dont want to live in my parents house, I dont want to live off other people, but I dont have any options as it stands. No job is being handed to me. I want to leave the country as I might be able to get something easier there. I'm like number 1 person to say that the dole gives you too much money, but Im sick of things going against me apparently. Perhaps across the country there are worse off people, but Im not compairing myself to them, and you can be sure that they complain about it too.

    I was just looking to see if someone could help me find out about this, and to see if someone could give me any options I could do rather than sit at home and live off 41euro a week.

    Boo fúcking hoo. Be happy you have parents who looked out for you while you were in college and happily provide you with a roof over your head.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭ConfusedGuy92


    Melion wrote: »
    Boo fúcking hoo. Be happy you have parents who looked out for you while you were in college and happily provide you with a roof over your head.

    I'm happy that Lucozade tastes nice, I'm happy that my cup of tea doesent have a fox in it....I'm happy about alot of things that are not relevent to say in here. Of course Im fukin happy about that. I thank them all the time and what they did was brilliant. They dont want to give me money anymore and who could blame them?

    As I said, I was trying to get information about this, which I got, and now I'm looking to see if anyone could give me any options regarding leaving the country as I am clueless about it. Unless you answer that, or have a great joke like Mr. 40euro a week over there, then shhhh.


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