New GAA Game

Prop Joe

Is there any chance of a new one coming out,In fairness the Hurling and Football games were the best sellers in 06 (i think the year they were released) also i think the football game was the best selling game ever in ireland.

Anyways you would think EA could just take the engine from FIFA modify it slightly and produce a quality game,And with the GAA & GPA on such good terms image rights could easily be sorted.

Pudsy33

Prop Joe wrote: »

Is there any chance of a new one coming out,In fairness the Hurling and Football games were the best sellers in 06 (i think the year they were released) also i think the football game was the best selling game ever in ireland.

Anyways you would think EA could just take the engine from FIFA modify it slightly and produce a quality game,And with the GAA & GPA on such good terms image rights could easily be sorted.

it would not be economically viable for EA to make a Gaa game. They don't make rugby or cricket games anymore despite the fact they have a far larger target audience when compared to Gaa. I'd like to see it but it won't happen. A small developer would be the best chance of someone making a game like this

Professey Chin

Id have to say no hope. Too expensive on current systems to put any kinda effort into it for far too small a market.

NTMK

Prop Joe wrote: »

Is there any chance of a new one coming out,In fairness the Hurling and Football games were the best sellers in 06 (i think the year they were released) also i think the football game was the best selling game ever in ireland.

Anyways you would think EA could just take the engine from FIFA modify it slightly and produce a quality game,And with the GAA & GPA on such good terms image rights could easily be sorted.

Not really the games that came out were due out in '99 for the ps1 and looked like the were not touched until they were released 7 years later according to one of the lads i know that worked on them plus the fact that GAA games only sell in ireland so given the cost of development of games it makes no sense business wise to make one

Prop Joe

Maybe the GAA should actively persue this as it's great promotion for the game,Just can't see how it would not be financially viable,It would surly hit the 1 million mark in sales

Redlion

Pudsy33 wrote: »

it would not be economically viable for EA to make a Gaa game. They don't make rugby or cricket games anymore despite the fact they have a far larger target audience when compared to Gaa. I'd like to see it but it won't happen. A small developer would be the best chance of someone making a game like this

There's a new rugby game and possibly a new cricket game later this year
Although, neither linked to EA.

Helix

Prop Joe wrote: »

It would surly hit the 1 million mark in sales

how do you make that out exactly?

youd need every non casual gamer in ireland to buy 2 or 3 copies to come close to those figures

NTMK

Prop Joe wrote: »

Maybe the GAA should actively persue this as it's great promotion for the game,Just can't see how it would not be financially viable,It would surly hit the 1 million mark in sales

It didnt hit the million mark on the ps2 when there was (I believe could be mistaken) one ps2 for every 3 homes it even if everyone that owned a home console bought one its just not viable

Grayditch

EA should make Curbs 2012. Using a Derby ball of course, not those blowaway Champion One ones.

krudler

Not worth their while for a sport that nobody outside of Ireland gives a sh1t about (not including the jersey wearers living in Oz) I was working in a games department when the Hurling one came out and we had so many unsold copies of it to be returned after christmas it was a pain in the balls, game itself was a pile of sh1te as well

Pudsy33

Redlion wrote: »

There's a new rugby game and possibly a new cricket game later this year
Although, neither linked to EA.

we're getting two new rugby games actually cant wait! but my point was that EA dropped the sport. Much smaller developers this time

Turtwig

For what it was the GAA game wasn't too bad, it certainly was not good either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDAo9FCWX4g

It would be nice if another was made, but I can't see it happening and if it does I highly doubt it will be another more than a low budget knock off.:(

Retr0gamer

NTMK wrote: »

It didnt hit the million mark on the ps2 when there was (I believe could be mistaken) one ps2 for every 3 homes it even if everyone that owned a home console bought one its just not viable

It actually did really well on the PS2 and was one of the best selling games on the PS2 in Ireland. The problem was that they put out such a shoddy product that faith was lost and the next two games performed rather poorly.

Turtwig

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It actually did really well on the PS2 and was one of the best selling games on the PS2 in Ireland. The problem was that they put out such a shoddy product that faith was lost and the next two games performed rather poorly.

There were two games after it!?:eek:

Retr0gamer

Yeah Gaelic games 2 and a Hurling game after that.

Wasn't bad?

It was beyond woeful, the games would end with more goals then points and not through going for them, just because they wouldn't raise and the goalies would dive over the ball etc.....

It was a Sega Megadrive game realised in modern times(2004/2005... even the PS2 was ending its cycle at this point)

NTMK

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It actually did really well on the PS2 and was one of the best selling games on the PS2 in Ireland. The problem was that they put out such a shoddy product that faith was lost and the next two games performed rather poorly.

Oh i know but it would've required around 90% of Ps2 owners to have bought it to break a million

out of curiousty how bad were the second two games any improvement at all?

bennyc

Reminds me of taking a goal kick in PES5 and I noticed this, it got me thinking at the time that that engine would be class for a GAA game. In fact that engine would still be class for a GAA game.

Shiminay

Prop Joe wrote: »

Maybe the GAA should actively persue this as it's great promotion for the game,Just can't see how it would not be financially viable,It would surly hit the 1 million mark in sales

1) There's no way it'd sell a million quickly enough though - maybe over a long shelf life, but that's not the way modern games marketing and sales works. It's all hype, hype, hype until release and then move on to the next game with no further publisher input.

2) Producing and releasing a half way decent game costs millions. The numbers simply wouldn't add up. You're looking at a predominantly Irish sale with some uptake in the UK, Australia and the US (but barely a blip on the radar of what the modern game budget and distribution equivalent would be).

3) I do think there's some scope for one of the existing soccer games to allow a third party access to the code to try modify it for GAA, but it would be a massive project and quite likely easier to build an engine from scratch. Without knowing the fundamentals of how FIFA or Pro Evo's code and engines work, I can only guess at that. However, there is already *some* code for a player handling the ball in terms of the Goal Keepers, so maybe...

4) A quick, but functional iOS or Android game might get better traction - certainly some of the bigger costs would be eliminated, but these are platforms that may have difficulty with this sort of game.

Retr0gamer

NTMK wrote: »

out of curiousty how bad were the second two games any improvement at all?

Eh I'm actually going to write an article on HG101 about them but not had the time and have better games to play will tell you later :P I did hear they improved the sequels and they weren't so bad in multiplayer.

Prop Joe

Kharn wrote: »

1) There's no way it'd sell a million quickly enough though - maybe over a long shelf life, but that's not the way modern games marketing and sales works. It's all hype, hype, hype until release and then move on to the next game with no further publisher input.

2) Producing and releasing a half way decent game costs millions. The numbers simply wouldn't add up. You're looking at a predominantly Irish sale with some uptake in the UK, Australia and the US (but barely a blip on the radar of what the modern game budget and distribution equivalent would be).

3) I do think there's some scope for one of the existing soccer games to allow a third party access to the code to try modify it for GAA, but it would be a massive project and quite likely easier to build an engine from scratch. Without knowing the fundamentals of how FIFA or Pro Evo's code and engines work, I can only guess at that. However, there is already *some* code for a player handling the ball in terms of the Goal Keepers, so maybe...

4) A quick, but functional iOS or Android game might get better traction - certainly some of the bigger costs would be eliminated, but these are platforms that may have difficulty with this sort of game.

I was hoping say take the engine from an existing game i.e FIFA or PES and modify it,couldnt take much to modify it (in computing terms since all the add ons u can have with such games as GTA).It would pretty much be Guaranteed to be the top seller in Ireland even at half a million copys at E50 that would generate 25mill.Couldnt see a company not interested in that.

Grayditch

I tried to buy the last one in Gamestop for a fiver, second hand, but after a half an hour search, they couldn't find the disc.

Maybe some company should make a compilation game of sports that wouldn't have a huge fan base worldwide. GAA/Bobsled/Curling/Ultimate Frisbee

...


That's the worst Idea I've ever had.

Prop Joe

Prop Joe wrote: »

I was hoping say take the engine from an existing game i.e FIFA or PES and modify it,couldnt take much to modify it (in computing terms since all the add ons u can have with such games as GTA).It would pretty much be Guaranteed to be the top seller in Ireland even at half a million copys at E50 that would generate 25mill.Couldnt see a company not interested in that.

Do you really think (roughly) one in ten people in the country would be interested in buying this game?
I can't find sales figures for the last one, but I'd guess it was much less then 50,000.

Looking at Black Ops figures, which was the fastest selling game of all time. It sold 1.2million copies in the UK on launch, lets assume most bought it that day and add another 800,000 copies and say total sales in the UK were 2million.

Do you think a sports game in a country with a population 1/13th that of the UK(I'm including the North in both, 65million UK and 5million for Ireland) could get to a 1/4 of the sales of the fastest selling game of all time? also taking into account that FPS have a much broader scope then one particular sport would have(that lags behind soccer in participation numbers here)

I'd doubt there are even half a million Xbox/PS3's in the country, then from that number you're taking away those with no interest.

David Grays ''White Ladder'' is the biggest selling album off all time in Ireland, it's sold 210,000 copies.

It's not economically viable, if it was there would have been another made years ago.

There is a slight chance we'll get one though, mainly because a new Aussie Rules game has been made for the first time in a few years, and the company who made the last GAA game were the same developers who made some Aussie Rules one, used the same engine too.
That doesn't mean they'll even make it, but if anyone is going too, it will be an Australian company using AFL game code and not a big company like Konami or EA.

But these 100,000+ figures are way off the mark, we only got the last ones because that Aussie company had the code 90% complete and even low figures of 10,000+ wouldn't have been anything to throw their noses at.

Prop Joe

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Do you really think (roughly) one in ten people in the country would be interested in buying this game?
I can't find sales figures for the last one, but I'd guess it was much less then 50,000.

Looking at Black Ops figures, which was the fastest selling game of all time. It sold 1.2million copies in the UK on launch, lets assume most bought it that day and add another 800,000 copies and say total sales in the UK were 2million.

Do you think a sports game in a country with a population 1/13th that of the UK(I'm including the North in both, 65million UK and 5million for Ireland) could get to a 1/4 of the sales of the fastest selling game of all time? also taking into account that FPS have a much broader scope then one particular sport would have(that lags behind soccer in participation numbers here)

I'd doubt there are even half a million Xbox/PS3's in the country, then from that number you're taking away those with no interest.

David Grays ''White Ladder'' is the biggest selling album off all time in Ireland, it's sold 210,000 copies.

It's not economically viable, if it was there would have been another made years ago.

There is a slight chance we'll get one though, mainly because a new Aussie Rules game has been made for the first time in a few years, and the company who made the last GAA game were the same developers who made some Aussie Rules one, used the same engine too.
That doesn't mean they'll even make it, but if anyone is going too, it will be an Australian company using AFL game code and not a big company like Konami or EA.

But these 100,000+ figures are way off the mark, we only got the last ones because that Aussie company had the code 90% complete and even low figures of 10,000+ wouldn't have been anything to throw their noses at.

I Remember reading somewhere that there were 700,000 playstations in Ireland,Thats what im basing my figures on,Maybe i'm wrong?? Just thinking that the last one was the best sellling playstation game ever in ireland,It could make profit.

Prop Joe

Prop Joe wrote: »

I Remember reading somewhere that there were 700,000 playstations in Ireland,Thats what im basing my figures on,Maybe i'm wrong?? Just thinking that the last one was the best sellling playstation game ever in ireland,It could make profit.

We defo had the highest ratio per person after Japan for the PS2.
The uptake of the 360/PS3 from my circle of friends compared to PS2 is pretty low though

Google showed a story that backed up the 700,000, it wasn't an official one but let's say it is.

That's 700,000 over a near 10year period, some people would have went through more then one.

At any one time there was probably 200,000 in use.
Break it down again for number of sports fans(which is low in the gaming community) and then again for GAA fans.
I'd be inclined to stand by my 50,000 guess now which isn't bad all things considered.

At any rate, the reason we got the last ones was because that Aussie company could make the switch easy from the AFL game.
They didn't set out to make a GAA game, it was just easy considering most of the donkey work was already completed.

If it happens again, it will be the same reason and we'll be using an AFL game's engine.
I was watching vids off the AFL game last week as I have an interest in the sport..... it's pretty bad to be honest and I wouldn't buy it.:D

Prop Joe

I'm just wondering the patches you can install for games i.e PES.new stadia,updated kits,new players.i just wonder could they do that and would it be a massive job if instead of dribbling,they would solo,Instead of passing,it would be hand passing.Just wondering as it don't seem like much torquing.Like having 15 goalkeepers as such?? the punts would be the same,catching etc.. especially with FIFA where you can directly control the keeper.

Having said all that you would need the engine of those games first,But saying you had permission,Would it be that massive of a job??

3hn2givr7mx1sc

All I can remember about it is Mícheál O'Muircheartaigh saying "They're going in for their banana and cup of tea at half-time".:D

Mikeyt086

Prop Joe wrote: »

I was hoping say take the engine from an existing game i.e FIFA or PES and modify it,couldnt take much to modify it (in computing terms since all the add ons u can have with such games as GTA).It would pretty much be Guaranteed to be the top seller in Ireland even at half a million copys at E50 that would generate 25mill.Couldnt see a company not interested in that.

Half a million copies?

There are approx. 4.5million people in Ireland. So thats in 1 in 9 people (not gamers, PEOPLE, as in, out of my parents and their friends, 1 in 9 would have to buy it) that would need to buy this game to get to your figures...

Also, just take FIFA/PES engine and tweak it? For an entirely different sport? And even if they did EA/Konami would sue the absolute **** out of them. The things you are saying are absolutely mental.

Jerichoholic

It was one of the fastest selling games in Ireland at one time, but also was the fastest returned game too. Because it was so bad.

Helix

Prop Joe wrote: »

Just thinking that the last one was the best sellling playstation game ever in ireland,It could make profit.

no way was it the highest selling ps game ever in ireland btw

bennyc

Prop Joe wrote: »

I'm just wondering the patches you can install for games i.e PES.new stadia,updated kits,new players.i just wonder could they do that and would it be a massive job if instead of dribbling,they would solo,Instead of passing,it would be hand passing.Just wondering as it don't seem like much torquing.Like having 15 goalkeepers as such?? the punts would be the same,catching etc.. especially with FIFA where you can directly control the keeper.

Having said all that you would need the engine of those games first,But saying you had permission,Would it be that massive of a job??

In fairness you wouldnt even have to go into the whole catching thing, depending on players skill he takes the ball in one go same as any footie sim. As you say the player running with the ball solos and hops at random, pass is a handpass , crossing button is the kick pass then use a shoulder button to finess it over the bar and normal shoot to hit for goal, to much power and over . Other shoulder button to blast it. PES5 or FIFA08-09 engines would work.
Could even use the madden type field goal for frees.

krudler

Jerichoholic wrote: »

It was one of the fastest selling games in Ireland at one time, but also was the fastest returned game too. Because it was so bad.

I was sick of taking the bloody thing back after that christmas, it was the ps2 equivalent of Lee Carvalo's Putting Challenge :pac:

JohnMarston

I'd definitely support a downloadable game on the PSN for GAA Hurling.

Doesn't even have to be a big game, just a tournament and single match mode, select your county and off you go.

Plus, having a downloadable only version would cut the cost of making hard copies, making it more economic for the developers.

Retr0gamer

Helix wrote: »

no way was it the highest selling ps game ever in ireland btw

I read somewhere that it was one of the best selling games in ireland.

Prop Joe

It was...

Prop Joe

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Half a million copies?

There are approx. 4.5million people in Ireland. So thats in 1 in 9 people (not gamers, PEOPLE, as in, out of my parents and their friends, 1 in 9 would have to buy it) that would need to buy this game to get to your figures...

Also, just take FIFA/PES engine and tweak it? For an entirely different sport? And even if they did EA/Konami would sue the absolute **** out of them. The things you are saying are absolutely mental.

There is actually over 6 million people in ireland and over 80 million worldwide that claim irish ancestory.

Obviously we would'nt rob the engine EA/Konami would be doing it so,They would not be suing the *** out of us..Duh

Also, just take FIFA/PES engine and tweak it? For an entirely different sport?
Yes thats the plan..thats how the first game was created

NTMK

Prop Joe wrote: »

There is actually over 6 million people in ireland and over 80 million worldwide that claim irish ancestory.

Obviously we would'nt rob the engine EA/Konami would be doing it so,They would not be suing the *** out of us..Duh

Also, just take FIFA/PES engine and tweak it? For an entirely different sport?
Yes thats the plan..thats how the first game was created

How many of those 80 million even know about GAA or take any intrest in it and would even buy a game of it?

The first game was created using an AFL engine and the results were dire theres simply not a big enough market for developers/publishers to make a new game Rugby has a tough enough time getting games released when it is vastly more popular

sarumite

My understanding was that the GAA game was built using the same assets for an AFL game. Since there is a AFL game on the xbox is there any reason this couldn't happen again.

Personally I thought the original was a pile of dog poo but the second version was much improved.

Helix

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I read somewhere that it was one of the best selling games in ireland.

at the time im sure it was, in terms of one of the biggest for the intial months of sale or whatever, but theres absolutely no chance its up there in the all time lists

Jerichoholic

The first one came out without and reviews, screenshots, or videos. It was also 150mb in size on the PS2 DVD.

Gamers are far more informed than they used to be, so there's no way anyone would buy it on a whim like that these days. It's a bad idea, it would lose more money than it would make.

spider guardian

I remember playing the original GAA game right after a session of PES. It felt like playing underwater football. Five minutes was enough. They could have ported that game to the N64 no problem.

Never bothered playing the sequel. Looking at some of the videos posted in this thread the graphics don't look bad at all but I know the novelty would wear off very quickly.

Can't see another Gaelic game being released given how much it costs to make a decent current-gen game. Or even not-so-decent :pac: