Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Swords League Race #5 11/05/11 - Corduff Circuit

Options
  • 11-05-2011 7:59am
    #1
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭


    Sign on at Ballyboughal from 6:30 this evening

    2 and a quarter laps of the Corduff circuit, finishing on the flyover bridge which makes it usually one for the sprinters as it's a flat and fast finish.

    A flattish course until you hit the Nags Head climb about half-way round - then it's 100m or so of climbing over 3.2km before a long descent back to Ballyboughal

    Roads for the most part are OK - there is a dodgy km or two coming out of Ballyboughal though with lots of road repairs that make the road very uneven in places, and then there are some potholes to watch out for particularly alongside the hard shoulder on the old N1

    Please note - only Group 2 should read this
    If we work together keeping a big group and stay away until we get to the top of the Nags Head second time round we have a chance in this one (unless Martyn is around!). If we get caught before or in the early part of the climb most of us will be dead meat!! We need to keep it as smooth as possible and regroup when we get to the top of the climb first time


«13

Comments

  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭English Bob


    +1
    Tough course this one. Hope the weather is ok.
    Hopefully group 2 won't have to be split so there's more of a chance to stay away!?


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    +1
    Hopefully group 2 won't have to be split so there's more of a chance to stay away!?
    I guess it depends on how many turn up, although these roads are wider than on the other 2 courses used to date which makes larger groups easier to accomodate.

    I've found with group 2 that the wide range of abilities make it difficult to keep a steady pace when the group is very large - what tends to happen is a few riders do the majority of the work. In smaller groups it does tend to be a bit smoother. However this course (apart from the hill) is ideal for the up and overs and if we can get it working efficiently I think we have a chance if we get a half-decent handicap


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    Beasty wrote: »
    We need to keep it as smooth as possible and regroup when we get to the top of the climb first time

    What he means is: please don't drop me on the hill.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Raam wrote: »
    What he means is: please don't drop me on the hill.
    I've got the camera in the car, on the assumption that I should be able to get some photos of the finish after giving up at the end of the first lap


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    I promise I didn't read the Group 2 spoiler;)

    For Group 3 eyes only:
    We have to work strongly together to catch Group 2 before the second go up the climb because we have bugger all chance of catching them on the run to the finish

    Early excuses (I will think of a few more later):

    1. The rolling circuits suit me better
    2. With my crappy cadence, my compact is not going to help me on the run home.
    3. I have a bit of a cold


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭shaungil


    It always amazes me how much the groups actually do stay together on this circuit.

    The hammer fest from the Nags head down to Ballyboghil is one of my fav's of all the courses.

    Prob best to go single file coming out of the village as there is a racing line available. As it's out of a fast corner it's normally single file anyway.

    Marshalling for me tonight best of luck everyone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭killalanerr


    whats with the spoilers ? with beasty back this week it fully expected that group 2s performance will improve by many factors on last week,now that i have my club jersey i will be able to hide so i wont be shouted at by the scary man :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    whats with the spoilers ?

    On my part, merely in jest. I am not in any position to be doling out any real advice to my fellow cyclists. I have never even been round the circuit.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    whats with the spoilers ? with beasty back this week it fully expected that group 2s performance will improve by many factors on last week,now that i have my club jersey i will be able to hide so i wont be shouted at by the scary man :P
    OK - my excuses:
    Head cold
    Sciatica
    "Racing" last night
    Age

    I won't be wearing a Swords jersey btw;)
    I do remember your number though
    PS - the spoilers can only be viewed by Group 2 riders - my mod powers allow my to apply special filters to those viewing - if you can see the messages you are in Group 2 this week, towing me up the hill


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭El Director


    Looking forward to my first club race of 2011 and only second ever (did the 40k TT LAST YEAR)

    Better get a move on so I guess! Whoop whoop!


  • Advertisement
  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Well that was "fun":D

    Turned up to discover it had been extended to 2 and 3/4 laps, finishing on the hill - meaning we would be going up it 3 times (although I suspect I only ever was going to go up it twice at most:rolleyes:)

    A very large Group 2 - probably 30 riders, and we set off at a very fast pace. The up and overs were not working very well, but there were plenty of strong riders and we were averaging just under 40kph before we hit the hill first time (we did have the wind behind us though)

    The group split big time on the hill with pehaps half of it managing to pull away from the rest of us. They did not follow my instructions in the OP which meant me, Lusk Doyle and another rider had to try and get back on. At one stage I thought they were well away, but we did make inroads and early on the second lap I sensed I may be able to get back on and pushed hard.

    I did actually make contact, but it was at a slight incline and I was of the view that they would bury me the next time up the hill. My HR was approaching maximum and I had to ease back. The other two came past and after I had had a brief respite I set about pushing it again - not to get back to the group - I knew they were long gone by then, but to see how far I could get before being caught by the faster groups. I was pretty much resigned to stopping at the end of the second lap at this stage.

    Lusk Doyle and the other rider waited for me and we were joined by another guy. We kept a steady pace for a while, and were caught by a combined group of the faster riders as we were starting the second ascent. I knew I had no chance keeping up on the hill, so drifted off the back.

    Then there was a crash in the group when I was perhaps 20 metres or so behind. When I went past I saw 4 bikes but only 3 riders - abc_xyz was down and Lusk Doyle was pulling someone out of the ditch. Everyone was OK and some of them came past me again higher up the hill.

    I continued to the end of the lap then headed to the finish to take some photos

    Stats
    Distance 38.5km
    Speed - average 34.5kph, max 61.6kph
    HR - average 162, max 182
    Cadence - average 87
    Power - average 255w, pedalling 258w, normalised 275w, max 830w

    Overall I can't complain too much - some of my power intervals around the 30 minute mark are PBs, and last night's TT took something out of me


  • Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭English Bob


    FUBAR!!!!!!!!!!
    enjoyed that! Group 2 worked better after 1st lap and managed to stay with main bunch with faster group until final climb then blew up! Got a second wind and finished strong so was happy overall.
    The Nags Head is a bitch!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,365 ✭✭✭Lusk Doyle


    Yep that time spent trying to get back on took it out of me big time. Felt ok when raam and co joined us but after the crash I knew I couldn't play chase a second time. Stopped after two laps.

    I think all were ok after the crash. Have to smile at the garda jersey sprawled in the ditch "I cant get up!" he pleaded so i manfully extracted him with one arm! Game over after that so i cried off.

    Good chase with beasty, kellyt and #102.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    That was the hardest 11th place I've ever had.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Well done to all who raced that tough circuit. Was cycling home from work and stopped to say hello to some of the marshals.
    It's worth remembering that dedicated non racing members like John and Margaret Ward turn up year in year out to marshal as they did tonight.
    Wardie himself has some very respectable and impressive racing performances in the past to be proud of and organises and maintains the touring league.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    Group three was on the big side too. Thought we were working reasonably well together but things slowed up on the main road before the turn for the hill. I was comfortable enough going up the hill the first time (probably because the pace wasn't that high).

    Scratch and semi scratch caught us shortly before the hill the second time around. I glued myself to the back of a lead group of about 10 going up and we passed both group 1 and group 2 on the way up. I fell about 10 metres off the last wheel near the top and, while the gap wasn't widening, I just couldn't get back on. I caught up on the sharp left turn for Ballyboughil but the concertina effect killed me and, with the wind was against me, I couldn't catch them as they hammered down the hill. I chased for a good bit - longer than I should have. The rest of semi-scratch caught me near Ballyboughil and I latched on. There was about five of us and we worked well enough but the group had swelled to maybe 20 odd at the turn for the Nag's Head.

    That's when I made a bollix of things. I was on the front as we approached the turn. There was no marshall and, gob****e that I am, I went straight on. I'm not blaming the marshalls - I had ridden round the corner twice already at that stage. I turned round and chased back on. I pushed through to near the front but I had used up too much energy. I probably finished about 6th in the group - maybe 16th-17th overall.

    It was lots of fun as usual and thanks to all that made it happen.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭pprendeville


    Raam wrote: »
    That was the hardest 11th place I've ever had.

    That was a thoroughly enjoyable race I must say. Arrived late as usual so panic stations on the way. Thank God there are no speed cameras on the road to Ballyboughal.

    Started in group 3 and pace was good. Longsocks had me worried after all the reports I'd been hearing re his riding but I thought he rode well, i.e. no sudden movements. Thought we should have worked better together on the climb first time round. Group 4 (is this semi-scratch) caught us on the main raod before Nags head on lap 2 and I latched on (didn't want to get caught on the inside so apologies to anyone I might have upset by staying out on the right). Was just ahead of the crash on the ascent. Apparently #151's handle bars tangled with somebody else. Stayed on Honk Jellys wheel up the climb second time round and put in a few turns at the front up until and after the Ballyboughal.

    Dave Wherity and another guy put in a big dig then just before flyover and I sprinted to get back on Dave's wheel. Was feeling good on main road again and that's when I got dropped. Group made a sudden dash and I was just too lazy to make the effort. It was like my brain was saying "don't bother, they'll slow down again" but alas they never did and that was me gone. Had a few looks over my shoulder and no sign of anyone behind so I said to myself I'll surely get a placed finish. Didn't ease up though. Then at the turn for Nags head I say a massive group behind me about 10-15 seconds I rekon so it was panic stations.

    All my effort and I was going to get caught. I was like a schizophrenic at this stage. One minute I was thinking I'm going to make it, next I was ready to give up. A few more looks over my shoulder and some guy was making a break from the group. I'd left my box of thumb tacks at home so I was going to have soldier on and up my effort. Last 400m were the longest/hardest I've ever done. Another look - he's closing. Who is this guy. Looks like he's not breaking a sweat. 50m, 40m another look. I'm caught. Legs burning I let out a war cry to try and frighten him but no that didn't work either.

    Practically crawled over the line in the end and congratulated my conqueror - RAAM. Well if I was going to beaten by anyone I'd pick him. Then again, a Cervelo is worth a few more Watts/kg (at least that's what I'm telling myself).

    When Sam told me I'd only gotton 12th I was gutted. All that effort. Great fun tonight though and already looking forward to next week. This Swords league is harder than any open race I've done so far. What's the story there?

    @ Beasty. Can you post up pics?
    @ LuskDoyle - sorry about the pinch. Didn't mean to frighten you. Would love to have seen the guy in the ditch who couldn't get up.
    @ scratch/semi-scratch group - would love to read a report from someone in these groups just to get an idea if they feel any apin while cycling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭mc2000


    Sweet-holy-jebus that was a hard race; started in Group 2, took a mental note of Beasty's fine jersey, can't wait to see the technicolour version of it :D

    As Beasty says we took off really effin' fast all the way over to the old main Belfast road, and it wasn't very easy up that road to the base of the climb either. The first time up the climb two or three lads obviously hadn't read Beasty's instructions in the OP:rolleyes: but to be fair, most of us let them drift off the front. So there was a goodish group doing a hard but just about manageable pace up the hill, and we got over the top as a group, and piled down the other side. We weren't panicking about the three lads in front, and over the course of the stretch thru Ballyboughal and to the main road again we caught them againm although they did fairly well and were fairly strong to have stayed away that long.

    Up the main road again, and then started up the climb, and a bit of the way up the climb Scratch just cruised by, no way was I able to hang on to them, and more or less the same group got over the top again, although there was a split into two groups with bits of other groups intermingled here and there.

    I was in the second of these[after ferocious chasing over the top of the hill by about 4 of us, we just managed to get onto the train], and on the stretch from Ballyboughal over to the main road two lads up the front [from group 3 or 4 I imagine] put in some really good up and overs and by the time we got to the bridge over the M1 just before the turn onto the main road we'd caught them. Along that stretch I'd been quite a good bit up the group, but the group was fairly lined out the whole way and I got really tired and nearly got bloody dropped. I was in that horrible place of being last man in the line, swinging about 10yards off the back, and just trying to hang on - thankfully on the old main road again the pace eased a bit and I was able to hang on and even recover a bit.

    At the base of the long hill again, and the group just shattered to pieces, I got up ok probably in the latter half of riders, I was knackered at this stage and actually very happy to have got up that hill twice and to the base of the hill the 3rd time with the group.:D

    Thanks again to the marshalls and the motorbike lads and lead cars.


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Longsocks had me worried after all the reports I'd been hearing re his riding but I thought he rode well, i.e. no sudden movements.
    I know a couple of people had a word with him before the race, following some of the comments made here, so it looks like it paid off - he was still riding strongly at the end
    This Swords league is harder than any open race I've done so far. What's the story there?
    Bear in mind there are some pretty good riders in scratch - a couple who have ridden this year will be in the Ras - I'm only in semi limit but I know from some of the open race reports the sort of power I am putting out is not too far adrift from some in the open races - I guess these races are a lot shorter though
    @ Beasty. Can you post up pics?
    I'll try and sort some out over the next day or so - light was deteriorating, but I should have a few at the finish


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭killalanerr


    enjoyed that, bit of surprised to find out it was 3 times over the hill,
    set off in group 2 it was moving well i even done a few pulls on the front i managed to stay near the front on the first ascent of the nags-head big ring all the way,2 young bucks went off the front so tried to get across to them with another guy on the way down put just havent got the legs for that sort of thing yet so waited for the group to get back to me,
    i was trying to save a bit for the hill so sat back a bit on the next lap but did go through a few times on the main road ,i was going ok on the hill on the 2nd lap until a faster group caught us about 500 meters from the top i managed to hang on till just passed the finish line,a group of about 5 of us formed on the descent and started to work to get back to the group ahead of us i wasnt much help i tried to ride through but when one of the guys pulled over i couldnt get pass him so from then on i just kept out of the way at the back i was right on the limit with theses guys good fun we got across just coming into the village well done guys ,
    from then on i was hanging on gave it my best shot on the hill for the last time and rode in at the back of group ,happy with my work out defo seeing improvement
    twice tonight i found my self 20 to 30 mtrs of the front of the group after riding through a corner,may be its my motorbike back ground but if your at the front just let your bike run through the curve you can carry so much speed

    thanks to the club for running a super race


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭Hungrycol


    Oh man that was hard and I normally don't mind that circuit too much. Started in group 3 and got dropped the first time up the Nags head. Spent the next lap with 4 others trying desperately to keep them within our sights and close the gap but we weren't making any ground on them and I'd spent a lot of energy trying. Then G4 came through and a few shouts of "jump on jump on" bit I lacked that kick needed and I knew then I was toast. I went up the Nags head the second time and I was slow, very slow. That was it, I made up my mind, I was heading back to my car. So disappointing and not like me to quit bit there was something not quite right last night. I didnt seem to have the spark or energy.

    Hope 151 is Ok after the crash, I was riding with him in our group of 4 for a bit.

    Thanks to all the marshalls and front drivers. Marshalls shouting time to the front is very helpful thanks :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭manwithaplan


    Hungrycol wrote: »
    Hope 151 is Ok after the crash, I was riding with him in our group of 4 for a bit.

    Rode back to Ballyboughil with him afterwards - he has a cut knee but is grand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭shaungil


    Open races are a piece of [EMAIL="p@ss"]p#ss[/EMAIL] compared to the club league. The standard of rider can be so high you end up chewing the tape for an hour solid. As Glenamddy says the League is the workplace and the open races are the playground.

    Personally I use it for training and hammer from the start. If we catch a group I like to pick up the pace again to try and burn off bodies if possible. I always shout encouragement to individuals as we go by but never mean it.

    This didn't apply last week in Ardcath when we caght group 3. We actually slowed to their pace though we were on a fast stretch so maybe that was it.

    Two lads off the front of group 1 last night nearly stayed away for the finish. Looked like sandbaggers to me chatting and laughing when I aw them. Glad scratch caught them. Such a hard hard course , Nags head:eek:.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    shaungil wrote: »
    Personally I use it for training and hammer from the start. If we catch a group I like to pick up the pace again to try and burn off bodies if possible. I always shout encouragement to individuals as we go by but never mean it.

    Love the last bit ;)


  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,290 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    shaungil wrote: »
    Two lads off the front of group 1 last night nearly stayed away for the finish. Looked like sandbaggers to me chatting and laughing when I aw them.
    Sam tried to stop someone taking off with Group 1 at the start - presumably one of these two, and the Lion of Fingal made it clear at the end they were sandbagging

    TBH, if someone does something like that again (ie not going in their formally allotted group), I would like to see them officially disqualified


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    It has been mooted that more experienced riders go off with groups 1 and 2 to try and spot sandbaggers and tell them to go back to the group behind.


  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭tawfeeredux


    Great reports guys! Can someone clarify something for me though; do your groups 1-4 correspond to limit, semi-limit, semi-scratch & scratch or what way does it work? Every time I think i have it sussed, i read a report that confuses it again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,317 ✭✭✭✭Raam


    More or less. Group 1 is the first group off. Depending on who turns up there can be 5 or 6 groups on the road.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 11,667 Mod ✭✭✭✭RobFowl


    Beasty wrote: »
    TBH, if someone does something like that again (ie not going in their formally allotted group), I would like to see them officially disqualified

    A flick of the back wheel works even better ;)


  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users Posts: 795 ✭✭✭tawfeeredux


    Raam wrote: »
    More or less. Group 1 is the first group off. Depending on who turns up there can be 5 or 6 groups on the road.

    Right, so group 3 could be the second group of semi-limits for example?


Advertisement