Jobs Initiative

paddy0090

This came straight off the RTE website. PDF here

1729 There will be €30m made available for school works this summer. There will be an additional €60m for regional roads.
1725 Michael Noonan said he was aware of the concerns of those in the pensions sector, but he said the levy was not permanent and said they have in the past been the subject of massive tax reliefs.
The levy represents a significant contribution from the pensions sector and savers he said.
1723 0.6% levy on private pension funds is intended to raise €470m a year. It will operate for four years and will be payable in two annual tranches.
Minister said he chose to impose the levy because 'increases in tax would be more damaging to our economy'.
1717 Minister for Justice Alan Shatter will be bringing in changes to visa system, which will make it easier for visitors to come to Ireland.
1715 The Minister has announced the setting up of an internship programme. Those who take part will be paid €50 per week on top of their social welfare entitlements.
There will be 20,000 places made available for those who want to get back to education or who want to avail of training.
He said it signals a substantial and meaningful commitment and would cost €11m in 2011.

1711 Mr Noonan also confirmed the halving of employers PRSI for low paid workers earning less than €365.
1709 Michael Noonan said the Government's economic strategy would lay the foundation for the rest of its agenda for change.
1708 Minimum wage will be restored to its previous rate from 1 July.
1706 The air travel tax is to be reduced to zero provided airlines open new routes and boost passenger numbers.
However, it is not being taken off the statute book and will be reinstated if airlines do not do so.
Mr Noonan said the sector can make a substantial contribution to Ireland's economic recovery.
1705 The Government is reducing the VAT rate from 13.5% to 9% on a range of tourism-related goods and services.
The reduction will be effective from 1 July 2011 until the end of 2013.
1655 Michael Noonan described the measures as the first step to improve Ireland's economic competitiveness and said it was about encouraging employment.
He said an independent fiscal advisory council would be established by the end of the summer and would represent a new approach to the management of the public finances.
He also said Ireland's corporate tax rate of 12.5% is 'here to stay' as it is a 'vital element of our industrial policy'.
1729 There will be €30m made available for school works this summer. There will be an additional €60m for regional roads.
1725 Michael Noonan said he was aware of the concerns of those in the pensions sector, but he said the levy was not permanent and said they have in the past been the subject of massive tax reliefs.
The levy represents a significant contribution from the pensions sector and savers he said.
1723 0.6% levy on private pension funds is intended to raise €470m a year. It will operate for four years and will be payable in two annual tranches.
Minister said he chose to impose the levy because 'increases in tax would be more damaging to our economy'.
1717 Minister for Justice Alan Shatter will be bringing in changes to visa system, which will make it easier for visitors to come to Ireland.
1715 The Minister has announced the setting up of an internship programme. Those who take part will be paid €50 per week on top of their social welfare entitlements.
There will be 20,000 places made available for those who want to get back to education or who want to avail of training.
He said it signals a substantial and meaningful commitment and would cost €11m in 2011.

1711 Mr Noonan also confirmed the halving of employers PRSI for low paid workers earning less than €365.
1709 Michael Noonan said the Government's economic strategy would lay the foundation for the rest of its agenda for change.
1708 Minimum wage will be restored to its previous rate from 1 July.
1706 The air travel tax is to be reduced to zero provided airlines open new routes and boost passenger numbers.
However, it is not being taken off the statute book and will be reinstated if airlines do not do so.
Mr Noonan said the sector can make a substantial contribution to Ireland's economic recovery.
1705 The Government is reducing the VAT rate from 13.5% to 9% on a range of tourism-related goods and services.
The reduction will be effective from 1 July 2011 until the end of 2013.
1655 Michael Noonan described the measures as the first step to improve Ireland's economic competitiveness and said it was about encouraging employment.
He said an independent fiscal advisory council would be established by the end of the summer and would represent a new approach to the management of the public finances.
He also said Ireland's corporate tax rate of 12.5% is 'here to stay' as it is a 'vital element of our industrial policy'.

30m for summer works is really just an as you were

The 60m for regional transport, including bicycle lanes. Will there be apple sauce with this pork?

I think the levy will become permanent

I don't think the internship programme is a good idea. I get the impression it's voluntary. And what's with the government paying for employers labour. Particularly given the big cut in employers PRSI. A good idea but I think some people will see there wages fall in line with the 365 limit.

The cut in VAT seems smart enough but I'm not sure it will do much to attract tourists, given the near parity of the pound against the euro.

All in all not totally crap! But still 3.5bn -.5bn......

billyboy01

Full time working week for 188€ plus and extra 50€ equals slave labour!

Good luck with that!:rolleyes:

paddy0090

billyboy01 wrote: »

Full time working week for 188€ plus and extra 50€ equals slave labour!

Good luck with that!:rolleyes:

Not sure where you're coming from here

I don't see why employers can't make a contribution. They've even halved employers PRSI so it's not gonna kill them.

Amhran Nua

Pretty weak tea tbh. Education placements for a further 5% of the unemployed, minor tax shuffles, government subsidising businesses directly, bleh.

It seems to epitomise "never be the first to do anything".

This will not help.

alex73

I think its a good start. The Levy on the pension is long overdue.

billyboy01

paddy0090 wrote: »

Not sure where you're coming from here

I don't see why employers can't make a contribution. They've even halved employers PRSI so it's not gonna kill them.

The 50 quid is the contrabution.

lmimmfn

Maybe those new workers will start a pension fund and they can be raped too and the initiative will snowball.

All in all its absolute rubbish and no better than trying to pay off your mortgage by gambling with your last 5 euro

dan_d

Agh, I'm just tired of all this.

The CIF seem to think that we need to rejuvenate our construction economy to what it was 5 years ago - an unsustainable, out of control, behemoth of a thing.

The Gov are solely focused on service sectors. A good move in the light of the 2 visits due this month, but really, does it create high value jobs?

The only thing in there for higher paid, education-to-a-certain-level-required jobs is internships where they expect you to work for free.

I wasn't expecting jobs to be directly created out of this. I wasn't expecting everything to be wonderful, or anything. What I was expecting was conditions to be created whereby companies would be able to take people on - paying jobs. A reduction in PRSI, a flow of cash/credit, rate reductions, rent reductions, whatever.

Yes I'm having a moan. It's my own f&*king fault for doing engineering in the first place I suppose.But I'm fed up to my back teeth of re-education (which I have to fund myself) or internships. Neither of those will pay my bills. I don't expect the State to fund my further education, but at this stage I'm fecking well pigeon holed into a situation where I can't get low skilled jobs because I'm educated, and I can't get a job in my own field because it's been decimated and I can't get a job in any other field without forking out about 10k minimum to retrain, and nobody out there could give 2 s&*tes about it once a few thousand retail jobs have been created and people have been encouraged to over-spend again.

I really hate this s*&thole of a country sometimes:(

(Sorry, I'm feeling incredibly sorry for myself today and Boards happens to be conveniently close at hand.:o)

beeno67

lmimmfn wrote: »

Maybe those new workers will start a pension fund and they can be raped too and the initiative will snowball.

Hardly raped on pension. It is 0.6%.

Laminations

lmimmfn wrote: »

Maybe those new workers will start a pension fund and they can be raped too and the initiative will snowball.

Hahahaha. 0.6% on a sum that received far higher tax relief is somehow comparable to rape?

lmimmfn

beeno67 wrote: »

Hardly raped on pension. It is 0.6%.

of the total, which is probably around 10% of the annual gain of pension value, the issue is you have to pay that .6% now, yearly, but youve no access to the pension, you cant sell off parts of your pension to pay it so it.

I dont know much about pensions but according to this http://uk.ask.com/question/how-much-do-i-need-to-retire-comfortably ( uk and according to Life Trust Insurance ), a couple would need 469447euro in a pension fund to retire comfortably, if a couple have that they will be paying 2816euro per year of tax on that pension and 11266euro over the proposed 4 years( we know this is never going to stop after 4 years ).

That i think is an absolute disgrace.

Laminations wrote: »

Hahahaha. 0.6% on a sum that received far higher tax relief is somehow comparable to rape?

What? you pay tax when money comes out of the fund so tax relief is neither here nor there as the government get their money anyway.
If theyre taking this route they should apply a tax on the capital amount in everyones bank accounts and be done with it.

sponge_bob

it really is mickey mouse jobs inititive and would probably help an island like inisfree get started imo

30 million for schools:eek:
60 million for fixing the potholes:eek:
the reports will cost more than that

hmmm

lmimmfn wrote: »

What? you pay tax when money comes out of the fund so tax relief is neither here nor there as the government get their money anyway.

Imagine that, we now live in a country where people with a pension pay more tax than someone who is working.

HellFireClub

Same old bullsh*t and rubbish, if you want to start up a business in the morning, what do you differently tomorrow morning??? NOTHING, you can stay on the dole, just don't make too much noise... Don't go starting up businesses, we've people coming back from Australia and the US to do that apparently, we'll give you a call when we'll need you to put the stickers onto the Dell boxes again Paddy...

billyboy01

HellFireClub wrote: »

Same old bullsh*t and rubbish, if you want to start up a business in the morning, what do you differently tomorrow morning??? NOTHING, you can stay on the dole, just don't make too much noise... Don't go starting up businesses, we've people coming back from Australia and the US to do that apparently, we'll give you a call when we'll need you to put the stickers onto the Dell boxes again Paddy...

LOL:D, sad but so true! Paddy by name, Paddy by nature!:rolleyes:

HellFireClub

billyboy01 wrote: »

LOL:D, sad but so true! Paddy by name, Paddy by nature!:rolleyes:

This country f*cking stinks, a backward sad pathethic dump where you are treated like a child by the government. Banks bailed out to what is approaching hundreds of billions of Euro, three years into a recession, 2 emergency budgets and one jobs budget later and the best we can come up with for a credible jobs strategy is to pay some lads 3K in 2 years time if they create a job here, it reminds me of when they started trying to build the railroad through Rockridge in Blazing Saddles.

Meanwhile those who are already here and can create jobs IMMEDIATELY, get to stay on the dole, upwards and onwards folks...

Cookie_Monster

we've waited 100 days for this

Doesn't sound like it'll help anyone with anything tbh, just another sly way to take money off workers. Little in the way of innovation, little aid to small businesses or startups, no incentives for self employed to start business.
No reduction in red tape, no changes to rates, fairly poor all round

Pete_Cavan

HellFireClub wrote: »

Same old bullsh*t and rubbish, if you want to start up a business in the morning, what do you differently tomorrow morning???

http://businessandleadership.com/economy/item/29994-jobs-initiative-includes/

How about actually reading about the schemes announced before going off on a rant.

g_moriarty

When couldn't they just cut spending, like the €900/week average salary in the public sector to fund this scheme - why steal PRIVATE TAXPAYERS pension money? They will just find a way around this bs, not pay as much into pension funds, invest the money in some other asset, etc. Hopefully.

HellFireClub

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

http://businessandleadership.com/economy/item/29994-jobs-initiative-includes/

How about actually reading about the schemes announced before going off on a rant.

You need a reality check there, any person who has the misfortune of applying for this support grant will be dealing with public sector workers. As someone who had most of last year wasted by their beaurocracy and infinite bullsh*t and form filling and passing the buck, I'd know more than most as to how these wasters can run rings around an applicant and pass your file around from department to department, playing pathethic politics with your best efforts to make some sort of a life for yourself.

You go and apply to any government for minimal support for a small business start up and come back here when you have had the experience and know what you are talking about.

You should read your own article:

"I am particularly pleased to be able to announce new initiatives to help get lines of credit flowing," said Minister Bruton. "Firstly, a partial loan guarantee scheme will be in operation by the autumn.

It's the second week of May, and these people think that it is called progress to say that they might have something for seed capital around next October, will you stop making me laugh ffs, this is exactly what I am talking about. I wonder how many committee meetings and bullsh*t bingo sessions they can knock out between now and next October?

Count Dooku

1723 0.6% levy on private pension funds is intended to raise €470m a year. It will operate for four years and will be payable in two annual tranches.
1729 There will be €30m made available for school works this summer. There will be an additional €60m for regional roads.

i.e. pension levy is just an excuse to take money from pension savings and use it for hiding unemployment through Jobs Initiative as smokescreen for using the rest of money(€360m) to continue support populist policies, such as preserving PS pay and welfare benefits untouched

paddy0090

It's the second week of May, and these people think that it is called progress to say that they might have something for seed capital around next October, will you stop making me laugh ffs, this is exacly what I am talking about. I wonder how many committee meetings and bullsh*t bingo sessions they can knock out between now and next October?

IMF says NO

Back to the MOU for a few weeks and then thats it for the summer I suppose. See where we stand after the next report card and then they might have something for seed capital. Tbh always thought it was a hair brained idea, but they're not even overselling it the way you'd expect.......whipped!

D1stant

Nero fiddles while Rome burns

See the reduction in private pensions now. Its not just the amount, but backdating this to 1st Jan when the other wing of Fine Gael held 'power'. Pushing the Iceberg further away does not change the outcome.

Between them, they managed to spook the markets, the IMF, the ECB and now the pension funds. Who's left? Twink?

lmimmfn

hmmm wrote: »

Imagine that, we now live in a country where people with a pension pay more tax than someone who is working.

most people who are working try and invest whatever they can in a pension, this isint going to affect those with their 3 million golden handshake as they'll just feck off to another country and bring their big lump sum with them. This just affects normal ordinary joe soap whos trying to do the best he can. Having a pension shouldnt be a luxory, its a necessity.

Like i said elsewhere i would much prefer having to pay 1% on all savings in the bank( not interest, if you have 10,000 in the bank you give the government 100euro a year ), why? because nobody has feck all, and having feck all any paying cash to the government every year for money you cannot touch is a joke.

twincamman

so how does one get one of these jobs ??

the groutch

Minister for Justice Alan Shatter will be bringing in changes to visa system, which will make it easier for visitors to come to Ireland

so when the "jobs" become available, it will be easier for people to come from outside Ireland to take the jobs away from those stuck on the dole

Tefral

All this is rebranded ****..

They should invest heavily in labour intensive jobs like upgrading our broadband network, actually fixing our roads rather than 2 lads with a shovel fecking a lump of tar into a hole full of water for it to last two days.

The VAT reduction is a good thing at least it helps tourists and even ourselves to get a more for a little less.

A Poster just back said the same thing as I was thinking, how many of us are stuck where we are because there is a glass ceiling and a glass floor in jobs.

billyboy01

I wonder when Noonan is going to tax childrens shoes again! lol, and then the Coalition will fall, and Fianna FAIL will get into power again. Then history repeats itself again! YeePee!:rolleyes:

Make you Proud to be Irish, Northern Irish!

lmimmfn

cronin_j wrote: »

All this is rebranded ****..

They should invest heavily in labour intensive jobs like upgrading our broadband network, actually fixing our roads rather than 2 lads with a shovel fecking a lump of tar into a hole full of water for it to last two days.

yeah i said that a few pages back or in the other thread, but that would be too sensible.

All this is a smoke screen, 460million of our money which is just a tax at the end of the day gets spent to create 6000 jobs, thats a saving for the government of 6,000x20,000( cost of a dole head ) = 120million, from all the incentives people will be paying tax: PAYE, universal social charge, vat on everything they spend money on, car tax, fuel taxs, booze/cigs tax, tax if their company pays private health insturance for them, car park tax.

So basically they'll probably increase the tax take by 400million by spending other peoples money, and we can use that to pay our overlords via pumping more cash into banks.

Delancey

Better than nothing and it is more than Fianna Fail did but overall it will do little to create jobs - a distinctly underwhelming experience.

Permabear

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Tefral

I cant understand why they are pushing this "Placement scheme/internship programme" can they not already see the Fas one is being taken advantage of wholesale..

HellFireClub

These saps were trouncing up and down the country only 2 months ago saying they had a clear and strong jobs creation strategy, look at the state of them now, no enthusiasm whatsoever, they start out with a jobs budget and they get so rattled at the thoughts of maybe achieving something, they downgrade it to a jobs "initiative".

Complete lack of vision, courage and enthusiasm, more of the same, actually worse than before...

lmimmfn

HellFireClub wrote: »

These saps were trouncing up and down the country only 2 months ago saying they had a clear and strong jobs creation strategy, look at the state of them now, no enthusiasm whatsoever, they start out with a jobs budget and they get so rattled at the thoughts of maybe achieving something, they downgrade it to a jobs "initiative".

Complete lack of vision, courage and enthusiasm, more of the same, actually worse than before...

well im just pissed at where theyre stealing the money from, but you have to admit, with half a billion over the next 4 years( 2 billion in total ) we could have insane broadband infrastructure, along the lines of Sweden or Japan which would really look good when trying to incentivise multinationals to come here( call centres for VOIP, reduced office sizes from home working etc. ), this of course would require a huge labour force to dig up the country, but theyve decided a few potholes and throwing a bone to a school or 2 is better.

twincamman

how will a person apply for a job.its going to be a pure lottery to get a job me thinks

hmmm

lmimmfn wrote: »

well im just pissed at where theyre stealing the money from, but you have to admit, with half a billion over the next 4 years( 2 billion in total ) we could have insane broadband infrastructure, along the lines of Sweden or Japan which would really look good when trying to incentivise multinationals to come here( call centres for VOIP, reduced office sizes from home working etc. ), this of course would require a huge labour force to dig up the country, but theyve decided a few potholes and throwing a bone to a school or 2 is better.

That's a good point, they're spending the money in the usual makework schemes filling in potholes on roads no-one uses. We could instead spend this money on a jobs intensive effort which would actually really add to the capital stock of the country.

Raskolnikov

lmimmfn wrote: »

well im just pissed at where theyre stealing the money from, but you have to admit, with half a billion over the next 4 years( 2 billion in total ) we could have insane broadband infrastructure, along the lines of Sweden or Japan which would really look good when trying to incentivise multinationals to come here( call centres for VOIP, reduced office sizes from home working etc. ), this of course would require a huge labour force to dig up the country, but theyve decided a few potholes and throwing a bone to a school or 2 is better.

This broadband infrastructure already exists, do a google search on e-net, it's a fibre-based network that was built in the boom times that covers nearly every major city and town in Ireland. Broadband providers like Magnet and BT have already started to leverage it into their product offerings.

lmimmfn

Raskolnikov wrote: »

This broadband infrastructure already exists, do a google search on e-net, it's a fibre-based network that was built in the boom times that covers nearly every major city and town in Ireland. Broadband providers like Magnet and BT have already started to leverage it into their product offerings.

the backhaul network was created, which is great, however linking that to peoples homes hasnt been done and this is why loads of people in high density areas have $hit broadband, not only that if the government installed those then they could rent them back to UPC/Eircon or whatever and therefore have a constant 5 euro per month per connection for those who use it.

BT no longer exists in ireland, they sold everything to vodafone, Magnet only operate in dublin and 1 or 2 other areas. Besides BT used ADSL/ADSL2, we need FTTH or at least cable as UPC has( and which can still do 100 Mbit/sec )

I can only speak for myself but if i had a 30 megabit/sec connection( rather than my $hitty 4megabit a second ) i could do loads more work from, increasing the governments tax take from overtime and reducing my employers cost of maintaining out of office times environment.

We have one of the worst average connection speeds in the world, last i checked from the broadband forum and ireland offline we're behind all eastern european countries and im nearly sure we're behind Afghanistan

Raskolnikov

lmimmfn wrote: »

We have one of the worst average connection speeds in the world, last i checked from the broadband forum and ireland offline we're behind all eastern european countries and im nearly sure we're behind Afghanistan

Completely off-topic, but in terms of speed and penetration, we are actually above the EU average.

ArtSmart

Permabear wrote: »

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and I'm sure they'll 'Multiply'

ArtSmart

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Completely off-topic, but in terms of speed and penetration, we are actually above the EU average.

whasssat?

oh, broadband.

phew...

beeftotheheels

Permabear wrote: »

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Since it has taken three decades for the world to realize that Milton was selling snake oil I will take on board your gloating in about 25 years time.

Until then...

lmimmfn

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Completely off-topic, but in terms of speed and penetration, we are actually above the EU average.

news to me, links please? i hope you also mean broadband and not midband?

Ireland is now:

55th for download speeds down from 51st for Download Speeds in September (down from 41st in May)
75th for upload speeds down from 70th for Upload Speeds in September (down from 63rd in May)
56th for Broadband Quality up from 59th for Broadband Quality in September (and up from 63rd in May)

http://irelandoffline.org/2010/12/irish-broadband-speeds-continue-their-decline/
Macedonia and Vietnam have just overtaken us( Mongolia beat us last May )

Download speeds in Ireland are now less than HALF the EU Average which is 11.37mbits
Upload speeds in Ireland are just over one third of the EU Average which is 2.82mbits

So, i dont know where you get your figures from, maybe Mr Ryan?

I also dont see it as off topic because Broadband in this country is an absolute joke and there was an opportunity to fix this and advertise our country as one of the best. The EU itself even has an initative to increase BB speads by 2020 to try and make the EU more lucrative and technically involved.

g_moriarty

lmimmfn wrote: »

news to me, links please? i hope you also mean broadband and not midband?


http://irelandoffline.org/2010/12/irish-broadband-speeds-continue-their-decline/
Macedonia and Vietnam have just overtaken us( Mongolia beat us last May )


So, i dont know where you get your figures from, maybe Mr Ryan?

I also dont see it as off topic because Broadband in this country is an absolute joke and there was an opportunity to fix this and advertise our country as one of the best. The EU itself even has an initative to increase BB speads by 2020 to try and make the EU more lucrative and technically involved.

It's not really. I've lived in america (california) and their broadband options are not that different to ours, especially with the new upc packages. There are also many towns and villages in the mountains and deserts of california with feck all broadband options.

g_moriarty

g_moriarty wrote: »

It's not really. I've lived in america (california) and their broadband options are not that different to ours, especially with the new upc packages. There are also many towns and villages in the mountains and deserts of california with feck all broadband options.

Im just back 2 weeks from California and broadband over there is way ahead of here I dunno where you were but here:

http://www.wavebroadband.com/product.php?id=1
10 mb dl 1mb ul 34 dollars a month whats that in Euros!

They had broadband in the US in the early 1990s believe it or not.

http://www.skyriver.net/services/broadband-internet

People can get broadband pretty much anywhere with some services their wifi range is so huge
You want 200mb ? no problem......you want 10mb here and its a big deal.

lmimmfn

g_moriarty wrote: »

It's not really. I've lived in america (california) and their broadband options are not that different to ours, especially with the new upc packages. There are also many towns and villages in the mountains and deserts of california with feck all broadband options.

its all relative, the irelandoffline figures are based on the OECD stats( i would have linked directly to them but the site is a wall of links and i dont have Excel installed ).

Point is, yes there are worse areas no matter where you go, however our worse areas are 70% of the country, point is this initive could have been used to increase our tech infrastructure and its obviously only going one way. People say LTE etc. well all radio networks have too high ping rates for both working or online gaming so no matter how many meg/sec radio evolves to it will never be good enough.

LoanShark

Anyways, Back to the issue at hand... At least this jobs initiative is a start...it might not deliver enough work to dramatically reduce the dole numbers, but its a small step in the right direction, we are never gonna see the level of wages in this country that we experienced in the past and people who are thinking we will are living in cloud coocoo.. So they are offering an extra 50 notes on top of the dole to those who get involved in schemes and other things, some of you call it slave labour and what not... I think anything tha gets someone off their Arse and out working has to be a good thing... There is a massive level of depression in this country and we have to look after peoples mental health as well..

RichardAnd

LoanShark wrote: »

Anyways, Back to the issue at hand... At least this jobs initiative is a start...it might not deliver enough work to dramatically reduce the dole numbers, but its a small step in the right direction, we are never gonna see the level of wages in this country that we experienced in the past and people who are thinking we will are living in cloud coocoo.. So they are offering an extra 50 notes on top of the dole to those who get involved in schemes and other things, some of you call it slave labour and what not... I think anything tha gets someone off their Arse and out working has to be a good thing... There is a massive level of depression in this country and we have to look after peoples mental health as well..

Some good points here. I'd agree 110% with your last sentence, mental issues are like a dirty word in this country.

What I don't like about this jobs initiative is the level of unpaid work it's introducing. Anyone familiar with my opinions on this matter will know I am vehemently opposed to working for free. You see, work isn't an end, it's just something people do to get money.

I'd take this a step further and say that what we're seeing in Ireland today isn't a jobs crisis at all, it's a poverty crisis. When people call for job creation, they mean paid employment because that's the reason we work in the first place. Sure, a government can provide 20k internships and claim they created 20k new jobs but this won't be solving the issue that the prospective unpaid worker will have; not having enough money.

An aunt of mine is a fairly high up civil servant and whilst this is going to sound very much like "my mate said this...I know someone who...", bare with me. Apparently, the idea of subsidising employment was toyed with at one point. By this, I mean the goverment let's a worker keep the dole, the employer adds 100-200 euro on top of it and we have someone earning a decent wage.

However, and this is what she told me, employers approached about this claimed not to be able to afford to pay staff at all. In some cases this was probably true but it's likely many of these didn't want to so they could fill positions for free. Thus, the idea of flooding the market with thousands of unpaid workers was born and I would wager many a position that would have carried a wage will now be filled by some unfortunate sap

To add insult to this, we have a contractor here who also runs a small buisness on the side (IT). I overheard him talking to one of my co workers last week and he gleefully mentioned, using these very words, that; "I've got some slave labour in this summer. Some student from Trinity". He's a decent guy from what I know, polite and cordial but right there he's proven to me that there are still plenty of people willing to exploit others for some personal gain.

You see my fellow boardies, men died to get all the cards out of the employers hands and ensure that people are treated fairly in the work place. All this working for free crap, to me, seems to be undoing alot of their work. If I were in power, one of my first acts would be to put an abrupt end to it lest it become ingrained into the labout market.

HellFireClub

lmimmfn wrote: »

well im just pissed at where theyre stealing the money from, but you have to admit, with half a billion over the next 4 years( 2 billion in total ) we could have insane broadband infrastructure, along the lines of Sweden or Japan which would really look good when trying to incentivise multinationals to come here( call centres for VOIP, reduced office sizes from home working etc. ), this of course would require a huge labour force to dig up the country, but theyve decided a few potholes and throwing a bone to a school or 2 is better.

Last year, I tried to invest my own private pension pot (was unemployed for 2 years until very recently), into a business start-up. This was nothing other than a genuine attempt by a guy to create a job for himself, and get off the dole...

You can't legally do it! But the same government has raided the National Pension reserve Fund to run the country and bail out banks, the same folks who say that a man cannot invest his own pension pot into his own business, in a broke country, can claim their own public pensions while they are still sitting TD's...

This country is a zillion million trillion light years from a mindset that could be called even remotely close to the one that is necessary for recovery, we are still treating job creators like infants, we're paying for politically appointed gobshytes to sit on the County Enterprise Boards on 100K a year to have a meeting with you and pair you up with a business mentor, and make up some kind of politically coded answer as to why you cannot have any access to seed venture capital, because you don't tick some little rediculous box on the sheet that the minister has given him.

Amhran Nua

RichardAnd wrote: »

By this, I mean the goverment let's a worker keep the dole, the employer adds 100-200 euro on top of it and we have someone earning a decent wage.

To put another slant on it, these jokers are playing awfully fast and loose with my tax money.

But sure what else is new.

cormac21051983

simple fact of the matter is that you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

tourism has gotten a huge boost from this initiative,
Small business not so much
i wouldnt be so quick to criticise this plan outright and i believe that it deserves a little bit of time to see how it works.

the money had to come from somewhere and while i think it is tough tax on private pensions, the PS has already had taken their medicine and had savage cuts no matter how you look at it.