Why do people need to believe in CTS....not a criticism just curious.

AudreyHepburn

I ask this after reading and posting in threads about Madeleine McCann's disappearence and the death of Osama Bin Laden.

It is obvious that there are some people who will point blank refuse to accept anything offical sources tell them and I'm wondering why?

Why is so hard to believe Bin Laden was killed by American Special Forces, that Madeleine was abducted etc?

Why does everything have to be shrouded in conspiracy and contraversy?

Please understand I am not critizing anyone,I enjoy a good CT myself but genuinely wonder why some people will insist believing even the most outlandish ones over the offical line.

squod

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056054930

That all CTs are bogus and rely on the slimmest of evidence is in itself a theory. Oh, also they couldn't possibly be happening over here!

Kingpin187

Sorry, but I think it is very healthy to want to question things, and not be so gullible to accept everything that is spoon fed by the media/governments as gospel.

That said, I dont buy into some of the more extreme "conspiracy theories", but I do have a look at both sides and make my own mind up.

Brown Bomber

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I ask this after reading and posting in threads about Madeleine McCann's disappearence and the death of Osama Bin Laden.

It is obvious that there are some people who will point blank refuse to accept anything offical sources tell them and I'm wondering why?

Why is so hard to believe Bin Laden was killed by American Special Forces, that Madeleine was abducted etc?

Why does everything have to be shrouded in conspiracy and contraversy?

Please understand I am not critizing anyone,I enjoy a good CT myself but genuinely wonder why some people will insist believing even the most outlandish ones over the offical line.

Why do you believe in gravity?

Actually now that you mention it why exactly do you believe Osama was just killed by American Special Forces?

Cork boy 55

The threat from Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction - chemical, biological, potentially nuclear weapons capability - that threat is real.
Tony Blair 2002

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
John Philpot Curran in a speech upon the Right of Election (1790),

conspiracy theory is just that, a theory, Those who expond them most back them with evidence and rational thinking or they fail.

The problem is not questioning powers that be or preceived wisdom
the problem is that there are too many people engaged in fruitless
thinking on stupid subjects such as "is Elvis dead" and such instead of looking at real scandal lies and conspiracys which exist.
Just look at this forum most of the treads are just white noise and ****e
helping to cover up the real conspiracies such as this one I highlighted

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71664996

Phill Ewinn

Everyone who called the link between autism and mercury a conspiracy theory were proven wrong when Tony Blair stood up in the house of parliament and banned mercury from the vaccine.

RoboClam

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Everyone who called the link between autism and mercury a conspiracy theory were proven wrong when Tony Blair stood up in the house of parliament and banned mercury from the vaccine.

By doing this, all he proved was that fraudulent results leads to public hysteria which no amount of good research can counteract.

Talk E

It's not a need, it's just... if you believe something. A sceptic doesnt "need" to disbelieve, do they ?.

Rhamiel

The brain naturally wishes to form its own conclusions, also when provided with two completely unrelated events the brain is wired to connect the two in a way that makes sense and is familiar to the person. Its how creativity and memory works and indeed the thinking process. People can get a bit carried away with this and often link a number of completely unrelated events together and present it as a conspiracy theory.
I believe they are in general more of a projection of the conspiracy theorists inner creative thought process in action than any real world events.

There are two main psychological/scientific terms to explain why people can get hooked on a good old fashioned conspiracy...

'patternicity' is the natural function of the brain to find meaningful patterns in random occurences. (seeing faces in the clouds etc.)

'agenticity' is the tendency people have to believe that everything is controlled somehow by invisible purposeful agents ("everything happens for a reason", religion etc.)

These tendencies combined with a touch of distrust and a smidgeen of paranoia as well as some ever so "suspicious" series of events and we have ourselves a conspiracy

uprising2

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I ask this after reading and posting in threads about Madeleine McCann's disappearence and the death of Osama Bin Laden.

It is obvious that there are some people who will point blank refuse to accept anything offical sources tell them and I'm wondering why?

Why is so hard to believe Bin Laden was killed by American Special Forces, that Madeleine was abducted etc?

Why does everything have to be shrouded in conspiracy and contraversy?

Please understand I am not critizing anyone,I enjoy a good CT myself but genuinely wonder why some people will insist believing even the most outlandish ones over the offical line.

A question for you,

If I knocked at your door and said "Give me a thousand euro in the morning at 8am and at 11am I will give you 1 million euro, I won 20million on the lotto and I'm a multimillionaire, here's my passport and driving licence to check my credentials"

What would you do that night?, would you go to bed and get up at 6am for work and go to work, or would you use the information I have given you to search high and low to see if what I say is true and am I genuine?

Stranger things have happened........!

See This LINK

Pixel8

Even George Noory, a radio host for Coast2CoastAM in the US for the last few years, has said the other day that he believes, yes there is a lot of disinfo but there is a lot of truth to at least 80% off all conspiracies from all the interviews and research he has done himself. He has interviewed dozens of conspiracy researchers.
If you're a conspiracy theorist, you've done your research, if you're still a skeptic, you haven't done enough research...

uprising2

There's more dis-info out there than info!, we've all fallen for it from time to time, just dust yourself off and get up again.

CiaranMT

Pixel8 wrote: »

Even George Noory, a radio host for Coast2CoastAM in the US for the last few years, has said the other day that he believes, yes there is a lot of disinfo but there is a lot of truth to at least 80% off all conspiracies from all the interviews and research he has done himself. He has interviewed dozens of conspiracy researchers.
If you're a conspiracy theorist, you've done your research, if you're still a skeptic, you haven't done enough research...

I don't think you'll find many people hold this to be true.

Brown Bomber

CiaranMT wrote: »

I don't think you'll find many people hold this to be true.

What does that prove? I don't think you'll find many Turks who find the Armenian massacre to be true.

Humans eh!

Phill Ewinn wrote: »

Everyone who called the link between autism and mercury a conspiracy theory were proven wrong when Tony Blair stood up in the house of parliament and banned mercury from the vaccine.

Then our own government made us bring mercury into every room in our houses
By Law!

Many conspiracy theorists see falsehood and underhandedness in everything that is presented via the media. Just because some of them are wacky and totally OTT doesn't mean that all people who have a high level of distrust are necessarily wrong.
Like all myths and legends there is often a kernel of truth at the heart of the matter.

To believe that our own leaders and business drivers have the welfare of the population at large at heart is foolishness itself, a fact that people are slowly waking up to.
It is generally the people who are disillusioned with the contempt that our governments and our own banking elite have shown and continue to show for the average citizen who begin to distrust everything they are told and are then mocked for wearing tinfoil hats by those unaffected (yet) by their actions.

The glaring contradiction of a 'Green' minister for the environment making it compulsory to bring highly toxic substances (Mercury) into our homes and ultimately into our soil via landfill on the premise of saving energy is just one such absurdity.

Lower energy bills for all - Yay!
Electricity price increases - Oh!

Same revenue for generating less power!
To hell with the soil and peoples health!

Now there is a conspiracy theory, and I didn't even try too hard. :pac:

Jeboa Safari

Pixel8 wrote: »

If you're a conspiracy theorist, you've done your research, if you're still a skeptic, you haven't done enough research...

Thats nonsense, its possible to do research and come to the conclusion that whatever stupid theory someone is claiming is full of holes and obviously false.

HavingCrack

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are a true skeptic why would you give any more credence to any whack job out there than you would to the 'official' sources. Surely you would be just as disinclined to believe the the CT brigade as the government.

In my experiences most Ct proponents are just hypocrites.

ed2hands

HavingCrack wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are a true skeptic why would you give any more credence to any whack job out there than you would to the 'official' sources. Surely you would be just as disinclined to believe the the CT brigade as the government.

In my experiences most Ct proponents are just hypocrites.

:pac::pac:
I would say that a lot of politicians, corporations and bankers are the hypocrites, necessitating the need for forensic analysis of all their words and actions by the "CT brigade" as you call them/us.
Speaking personally, i would always try to research what i read whatever the source.

EarlERizer

....seems to me that if you dare think alternatively to what the government & media feed you,your classed as a CT,I think too many of us blindly accept the 'official' info without thinking for ourselves....just like they want you to!! :rolleyes:

"Don't answer their questions,question their answers"!!

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

Thats nonsense, its possible to do research and come to the conclusion that whatever stupid theory someone is claiming is full of holes and obviously false.

In that case do you have a single example of you ever having doing so here?

I think Pixel8 makes a good point. People rarely if ever go from seeing the conspiracy as more likely to being good party members with their eyes wide shut but there is nobody as far as I can tell who sees the higher probability of a conspiracy before researching the topics this only comes through obtaining a greater knowledge.

The more I look into these topics the more I am convinced of the conspiracies overall.

HavingCrack

ed2hands wrote: »

:pac::pac:
I would say that a lot of politicians, corporations and bankers are the hypocrites, necessitating the need for forensic analysis of all their words and actions by the "CT brigade" as you call them/us.
Speaking personally, i would always try to research what i read whatever the source.

What are you on about? You've clearly completely missed my point.

I never said that I blindly except the political version of events as you're attempted to imply, wrongly I may add. In my experience I find many CT proponents will accept the 'alternative' view of events just as blindly as the official version others swallow.

Believing the rantings of some nutter unquestionably on the internet for no reason other than 'it makes sense' is just as sheep like as swallowing the official spin. You say you research all your sources but I find the vast majority of CT's will not.

ed2hands

HavingCrack wrote: »

What are you on about? You've clearly completely missed my point.

I never said that I blindly except the political version of events as you're attempted to imply, wrongly I may add. In my experience I find many CT proponents will accept the 'alternative' view of events just as blindly as the official version others swallow.

Believing the rantings of some nutter unquestionably on the internet for no reason other than 'it makes sense' is just as sheep like as swallowing the official spin. You say you research all your sources but I find the vast majority of CT's will not.

I wasn't attempting to imply anything, but if i offended you i apologise. I did get your point actually, and agree with your basic premise.
Research is the best policy as you rightly say.

Are most CT proponents nutjobs? Who am i to say:o

All i do know is, that if it weren't for some of those nutjobs....well you get the picture.

HavingCrack

ed2hands wrote: »

I wasn't attempting to imply anything, but if i offended you i apologise. I did get your point actually, and agree with your basic premise.
Research is the best policy as you rightly say.

Are most CT proponents nutjobs? Who am i to say:o

All i do know is, that if it weren't for some of those nutjobs....well you get the picture.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be so snappy

No, I agree there probably is some truth in some CT's. But as you say, believing in absolutely anything isn't the way to go either. Both extremes (believing the offical spin and believing anything) are just as bad as each other.

Jeboa Safari

Brown Bomber wrote: »

In that case do you have a single example of you ever having doing so here?

I don't know what exactly you're looking for, but I usually look up whatever people are claiming if the topic interests me, and its usually easy to find flaws and holes in their theory, and obvious that they didn't put as much scrutiny on the CT story as they do on the official one.

Obelisk

There is no 'theory' in criminal conspiracy.

Torakx

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I ask this after reading and posting in threads about Madeleine McCann's disappearence and the death of Osama Bin Laden.

It is obvious that there are some people who will point blank refuse to accept anything offical sources tell them and I'm wondering why?

Why is so hard to believe Bin Laden was killed by American Special Forces, that Madeleine was abducted etc?

Why does everything have to be shrouded in conspiracy and contraversy?

Please understand I am not critizing anyone,I enjoy a good CT myself but genuinely wonder why some people will insist believing even the most outlandish ones over the offical line.

Alot of good answers to this question already have been posted so i will just add my own thoughts for the craic

I think quite alot of people who you encounter and that reject the official sources do so out of distrust and i think its generally a good thing if done in moderation and in a balanced way.
I take the unnoficial sources for example with as much seriousness as i would official ones.
Any info is possible to be tainted even scientific official facts can be overturned with time and discoveries.

As to why some have gotten to be this way i would say a good majority experienced some degree of disinfranchisment which caused them to question their reality and the things they had experienced or taken as granted.
This is the case with me as i started out in a strict religion and rebouned in the opposite direction at full force.
The result was a distrust of the authority figures in many areas of life i had not previously considered.
So with extreme disinfranchisment i think comes equal measures of suspicion and distrust or if you can temper it into a healthy way of contemplation an equal measure of skepticism.

Some are overly skeptical like myself and choose the middle path of non commitment.
Others are not so skeptical and chose either of the "sides", be they the official source or the unnoficial source.
Of course the world isnt just black and white and so most to me slide up and down a scale between the two depending on experience.

But as mentioned it is a CT forum and most of the CT'ers are people who like to speculate on many subjects.
The official sources ussually dont allow for such thinking and you must either accept their word a dubious as it sometimes can be or be labeled a paranoid of some kind.

Jonny7

As well as the pattern linking, conspiracy theorists often fall victim to gross exaggeration

It can be shown, quite strongly, that certain psychiatrists are influenced by certain pharmaceuticals - however, CTer's will often translate or change the word "certain" or "particular" into the words "most" or "all".

e.g. all Western media cannot be trusted

All politicians, all bankers, etc, etc.

Also a hardcore CTer will often just selectively choose to "believe" certain information, not because it is substantiated in any way, just because it may be the "opposite" of the government line or official story. More of a religious approach than a sceptical one.

There are some out there more "seeking the truth" while there are others who are much more "I want to believe".

ed2hands

Jonny7 wrote: »

all Western media cannot be trusted

Quite right. Well said jonny!




Came across this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0SrHBJFO4

Obelisk

Pixel8 wrote: »

If you're a conspiracy theorist, you've done your research, if you're still a skeptic, you haven't done enough research...

Pretty much I reckon.

clever_name

Pixel8 wrote: »

If you're a conspiracy theorist, you've done your research, if you're still a skeptic, you haven't done enough research...

If you agree with me - your correct, if you disagee with me - your wrong.

WakeUp

This is what I think for what it’s worth The word “theorist” from the phrase “conspiracy theorist” should be changed to “researcher” in my humble opinion. Since the beginning of time “conspiracy” has been rampant, prevalent and part of “civilization” or peoples lives be it in politics, business the starting of wars you name it, “conspiracy” in many ways shapes and form has been part of our existence and always will be. Whilst I don’t subscribe or believe in every CT out there to believe that everything is hunky dory in our world or such skull duggery / conspiracy could not occur or does not take place in the world we live in today is extremely naïve, I would even say dangerous and irresponsible. Democracies or strong republics are built on the distrust of politicians or people in power among other things. It’s the only way it can be, question everything especially that with which seems to need questioning.

Politicians and power whores are responsible for some of the most outrageous and dastardly conspiracies in the history of mankind. Plenty of it is documented. I find them awfully “interesting”. This isn’t to say that everything is a conspiracy because it isn’t but the flip side of that is all is not as it seems or is told. Truth is often stranger than fiction. As soon as we start believing without hesitation everything we are being told by the powers that be and I include main stream media in that as the powers that be own and control it, that is the time that we are well and truly fcked if you ask me. It seems to me nowadays that if you question the authorities version on any given event or circumstance you are labeled a “conspiracy theorist” which is ridiculous and any free thinking person should be offended by such accusations or innuendo.

Conspiracy has happened since the dawn of time and will continue to happen in many guises till’ the end of time that isn’t really up for debate I dont think it’s a fact. So to answer the OP’s original question why are people interested in CT’s? I would say because some of them are not theory and in fact do happen and people well myself anyways get offended when I am blatantly being lied too by some smiling slimy lying politician b@stard who would then have the audacity to suggest the folk who have the nerve to question their bs are “conspiracy theorists” for example the lies leading to the invasion and bombing of Iraq. Don’t believe every CT that’s out there as some of them are just well silly but don’t believe everything the government or news channels or politicians tell you either that shouldn’t really need to be pointed out as its a fairly obvious thing to state.

These “conspiracy theorists” will take some beating, lying power hungry psycho scum like them.. Them crazy CT’er’s and their CT's:rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejph4LBdmmc

jill_valentine

For some folks, I think it's preferable to believe that there is a grander order - and perhaps as importantly, that they have some understanding of it, they're in on it - than to consider the possibility that actually, there might be no bigger plan at all.

Imagine if nobody's in charge. Imagine if kids can just fall prey to random strangers, or terrorists alone can just kill thousands of unsuspecting civilians, or that global warming really is our fault, and really is going to threaten our whole ecosystem some day.

What a terrifying, chaotic, incomprehensible universe that would be.

clever_name

jill_valentine wrote: »

For some folks, I think it's preferable to believe that there is a grander order - and perhaps as importantly, that they have some understanding of it, they're in on it - than to consider the possibility that actually, there might be no bigger plan at all.

Imagine if nobody's in charge. Imagine if kids can just fall prey to random strangers, or terrorists alone can just kill thousands of unsuspecting civilians, or that global warming really is our fault, and really is going to threaten our whole ecosystem some day.

What a terrifying, chaotic, incomprehensible universe that would be.

This is exactly what I would have said if i was good with words and stuff.

Obelisk

For me it's a combination of the facts presented, evidence, some critical thinking and past experiences. Conspiracies are easy to spot, it's the disinfo (and lots of it) which is harder to discern than the real info usually.

A more interestring question might be why do people 'need' to believe the official version events, when the evidence is showing them otherwise :pac:

WakeUp

Obelisk wrote: »

For me it's a combination of the facts presented, evidence, some critical thinking and past experiences. Conspiracies are easy to spot, it's the disinfo (and lots of it) which is harder to discern than the real info usually.

A more interestring question might be why do people 'need' to believe the official version events, when the evidence is showing them otherwise :pac:

I would agree with that too. I think the media have played an important part with regard to the disinfo be it intentionally or unintentionally. Personally I find the standard of real investigative journalism nowadays to be pretty poor epsecially across the news stations we would see on a daily basis and in a lot of the papers. I dont think the right/tough questions are asked anymore and certainly not at the right time. It always seems to be reactive as opposed to pro-active.

jill_valentine

Obelisk wrote: »

For me it's a combination of the facts presented, evidence, some critical thinking and past experiences. Conspiracies are easy to spot, it's the disinfo (and lots of it) which is harder to discern than the real info usually.

A more interestring question might be why do people 'need' to believe the official version events, when the evidence is showing them otherwise :pac:

Governments do lie a lot, and do frequently obscure terrible things done for the grubbiest of motivations, certainly.

A healthy dose of skepticism in all regards is one thing; but I've seen too many rabbit hole arguments in these pages to believe that some/many posters here really come to their position by weighing up the available evidence rationally. In many cases, when presented with some evidence or argument that undermines one conspiracy theory, they will only ever look for a new conspiracy to take its place. The possibility that this one - just this one - case might actually be exactly what it appears to be never occurs, or is never seriously considered.

Reminds me of that old chestnut about a religious man being presented with the implications of dinosaur bones and responding "Ah. But who put them there?"

WakeUp

jill_valentine wrote: »

Imagine if nobody's in charge. Imagine if kids can just fall prey to random strangers, or terrorists alone can just kill thousands of unsuspecting civilians, or that global warming really is our fault, and really is going to threaten our whole ecosystem some day.

What a terrifying, chaotic, incomprehensible universe that would be.

Thats a fair point but I dont think those things need to be imagined as you put it. I dont think anyone would argue or disagree with what you are saying there all those things happen the way you have outlined them all over the world on a daily basis. That isnt to say though that other possibilities arent responsible for such things Im sure you can accept that yourself everything isnt a conspiracy I dont belive in a lot of them myself but everything isnt black and white either I dont think or in my opinion.

Obelisk

jill_valentine wrote: »

Governments do lie a lot, and do frequently obscure terrible things done for the grubbiest of motivations, certainly.

A healthy dose of skepticism in all regards is one thing; but I've seen too many rabbit hole arguments in these pages to believe that some/many posters here really come to their position by weighing up the available evidence rationally. In many cases, when presented with some evidence or argument that undermines one conspiracy theory, they will only ever look for a new conspiracy to take its place. The possibility that this one - just this one - case might actually be exactly what it appears to be never occurs, or is never seriously considered.

Reminds me of that old chestnut about a religious man being presented with the implications of dinosaur bones and responding "Ah. But who put them there?"

Occasionally one might put a foot in it while speculating on some matters but thats how it goes. I dont much about what was happening with the dinasaurs, but theres a lot going on these days that mush is for sure. Probably its always been this way, thats how it looks anyway.

MrStuffins

The fact that such a person as a CTer exists is perverse! Surely each case should be taken on it's merits? But of course, it never is with a lot of these people!

Yes, there are people who will accept the "official" story without putting research into it etc.

BUT, for every one of these there is a person who will by default stick to a conspiracy when it is presented and refuse to believe the "official" story.

Why is it that if someone believes in one conspiracy theory, they are very likely to believe them all?

Obelisk

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why is it that if someone believes in one conspiracy theory, they are very likely to believe them all?

I dunno, why?

MrStuffins

Obelisk wrote: »

I dunno, why?

Well.............. I asked the question

Obelisk

I was waiting for the punchline...

WakeUp

MrStuffins wrote: »

The fact that such a person as a CTer exists is perverse! Surely each case should be taken on it's merits? But of course, it never is with a lot of these people!

In fairness I don’t think it’s perverse at all although I have an idea at what youre getting at by saying that, I think I understand what you mean but I think the term “conspiracy theory” has somewhat taken on an altogether “different” meaning in the collective physic than its compound definition on a basic level. In today’s world conspiracy theory = nut job/tin foil hat brigade/lizard people brigade whatever. I totally agree that every case should be taken on its own merit and just because one thing turns out to be true or have at least some truth in it does not mean all CT’s are true. You cant think like that everything isn’t a conspiracy things do just happen coincidences do occur but sometimes so does “conspiracy”.

So Ive been looking into the phrase “conspiracy theory” and from what I can see it was first used or termed in 1909. According to Webster this is the definition of a CT…

“a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usual powerful conspirators”

Secret plots by powerful conspirators political or otherwise have happened on many occasions all through recorded history and will probably continue to happen for many years to come. “Usual” I’m not too sure what that refers too although I would hazard a guess it might refer to governments or politicians or people in a position of power to make things happen. Personally I fail to see how such a thing happening either in previous years gone by or in the here and now, why its so hard to hypothesize that it did occur or is likely to happen again. People scam behind the scenes for many reasons these things happen and always will.

Conspiracy is defined as “ an evil , unlawful , treacherous or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more people ; plot”

Theory has a number of definitions the ones most pertinent to conspiracy would probably be “abstract reasoning, speculation” or “an assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture “

When you look at the word conspiracy in its basic definition to me anyways it isn’t hard to believe that in some circumstances that yes “conspiracy theories” do actually occur and have occurred. Again though that isn’t to say that absolutely everything being questioned is in fact a conspiracy because it isn’t for any number of reasons. But to totally dismiss the possibility of such things happening (conspiracies) I think is ignorant and very dangerous.

I found this list of whistleblowers on Wikipedia and what they blew the whistle on. Plenty of conspiracies highlighted here and blown wide open which you can read about. Everything isn’t a conspiracy though that needs to be pointed out and highlighted I think that’s really important and its true. Its really important because if we get to the stage that everything suspect or unexplained becomes termed a “conspiracy” or is perceived as one then the real conspiracies that truly need exposing like the lies and bs in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq will just be lumped into the “tin foil hat” brigade or whatever. So yeah governments/cabals from all countries from all around the world are capable of evil dastardly skull duggery and more than capable of partaking or hatching a conspiracy for their greedy/wicked gains to which the minions get wind of and then begin to speculate upon, which in turn will morph into a “conspiracy theory” and be discussed by CT'ers:)

Torakx

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why is it that if someone believes in one conspiracy theory, they are very likely to believe them all?

I guess i answered that one in my last post to a large extent.
A sense of disinfranchisement with the current authority leads them to find a new authority figure in the form of the "new age movement" or conspiracy theories in general.
So when some news pops up about an incident they will always seek to blame it on the new paradigm of reality in which they live.
Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong, just as the polar opposite would be for only agreeing with the official news.
I was like this myself at least for the first year when i started researching and posting here.
Now i have calmed down alot and use my critical thinking,which i think takes a while to kick in after you stop watching tv and reading newspapers and after you stop taking the CT/new age movements documentaries as most likely true.
There is programming just as much in the CT documentaries in many cases as there is on regular tv supplied by corps and govs.

Online research is the best way to learn and keep your critical thinking intact at the same time.

Monty Burnz

Torakx wrote: »

Online research is the best way to learn and keep your critical thinking intact at the same time.

Fair point, but for primary sources of information you are still reliant on journalists who are on the spot. You can't follow everything yourself, be at every event. So either you accept that the facts as reported by mainstream journalism are correct (regardless of the spin put on stories, which you can see and adjust for) or you are totally goosed, as your internet sources are just as reliant on the accounts of mainstream journalism.

Monty Burnz

WakeUp wrote: »

I found this list of whistleblowers on Wikipedia and what they blew the whistle on. Plenty of conspiracies highlighted here and blown wide open which you can read about. Everything isn’t a conspiracy though that needs to be pointed out and highlighted I think that’s really important and its true. Its really important because if we get to the stage that everything suspect or unexplained becomes termed a “conspiracy” or is perceived as one then the real conspiracies that truly need exposing like the lies and bs in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq will just be lumped into the “tin foil hat” brigade or whatever. So yeah governments/cabals from all countries from all around the world are capable of evil dastardly skull duggery and more than capable of partaking or hatching a conspiracy for their greedy/wicked gains to which the minions get wind of and then begin to speculate upon, which in turn will morph into a “conspiracy theory” and be discussed by CT'ers:)

The fact that conspiracies involving people as powerful as the president of the USA have been revealed by whistleblowers and other means begs the question, where are the whistleblowers for the illuminati/lizards/Rothschild/Masons/Bilderberg/whatever huge global conspiracies that are claimed by some to control us all? After all, these conspiracies are far more complex and must involve so many people - few of whom will wield more power than the POTUSA. Where are the whistleblowers? Why hasn't a shred of proof ever been found?

clever_name

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The fact that conspiracies involving people as powerful as the president of the USA have been revealed by whistleblowers and other means begs the question, where are the whistleblowers for the illuminati/lizards/Rothschild/Masons/Bilderberg/whatever huge global conspiracies that are claimed by some to control us all? After all, these conspiracies are far more complex and must involve so many people - few of whom will wield more power than the POTUSA. Where are the whistleblowers? Why hasn't a shred of proof ever been found?

I know the answer, the NWO lizard people are so powerful that they have used the media that they control to blackout any trace of whistleblowers. So that proves they exist.

The fact that there is no evidence is all the evidence needed to prove that "something" is going on.;)

Torakx

I wouldnt make fun of peoples psychological issues or mental faculties(including critical judgement).
Most people have issues in this area and are blissfully unaware of it,i see it quite often in myself(awareness aknowledged tnx :P) and others.

The important question is, do you?

That last question could apply also to people just reading this thread and not posting.
I think its always worthwhile to be introspective now and then.It really helps with keeping the ego in check, to see your own flaws and acknowledge them.

WakeUp

Monty Burnz wrote: »

The fact that conspiracies involving people as powerful as the president of the USA have been revealed by whistleblowers and other means begs the question, where are the whistleblowers for the illuminati/lizards/Rothschild/Masons/Bilderberg/whatever huge global conspiracies that are claimed by some to control us all? After all, these conspiracies are far more complex and must involve so many people - few of whom will wield more power than the POTUSA. Where are the whistleblowers? Why hasn't a shred of proof ever been found?

Who knows maybe one day somebody will come forward we will just have to wait and see.

Jonny7

WakeUp wrote: »

Who knows maybe one day somebody will come forward we will just have to wait and see.

This guy has come forward (about the Bilderberg group)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPLAOtf6t_4&feature=player_embedded#!

The Russians gleefully fill their English service with this stuff :pac:

And here's his speech at the European Parliament

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHtO8Q119ms&feature=player_embedded#!

Aaww I wanted to see the questions..