Zlatan - Sign him and Win.

OhNoYouDidn't

Last night secured his eighth domestic league title in succession. His ninth in ten years.

He achieved the feat with 5 different clubs and took in 3 countries along the way, and at the worlds biggest clubs too.

He's a truly outstanding footballer and a joy to watch.

A line from today's Gazetta sums him up: "Serie A is a tournament in which various teams compete, and then at the end Zlatan Ibrahimovic wins."

Sign him for your team and then you win. Simple as that.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

It's already been mentioned in his appreciation thread, no need to start another one for him.

yosemite_sam

THFC wrote: »

It's already been mentioned in his appreciation thread, no need to start another one for him.

When Levy starts paying £200,000 a week, I hope it is not to him

OhNoYouDidn't

THFC wrote: »

It's already been mentioned in his appreciation thread, no need to start another one for him.

I disagree. I think this astonishing record is worthy of a mention in its own right.

Also, this puts Milan equal on 18 titles with ferocious rivals Inter. Bragging rights back to the black and red half of the city

shadowcomplex

1.Overrated , 2.never does it on the biggest stage,3.barca got rid of him

OhNoYouDidn't

shadowcomplex wrote: »

1.Overrated , 2.never does it on the biggest stage,3.barca got rid of him

What stage is bigger than Serie A or La Liga?

Is he 'overrated' because Dunphy said so or because no EPL club can afford him and he hasn't played in England?

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

yosemite_sam wrote: »

When Levy starts paying £200,000 a week, I hope it is not to him

Well, I'd love to have him because he does guarantee you 20+ goals a season but certainly not for €200,000-a-week, I wouldn't pay over €120,000-a-week for but he'd never take that.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

shadowcomplex wrote: »

3.barca got rid of him

Because he quite clearly doesn't suit their style.

keane2097

Fucking brilliant player, anybody who thinks otherwise was disappointed by him in Football Manager or something, because they certainly don't watch him play much.

Nalz

I use to label him the youtube footballer...but Cristiano Ronaldo is a class footabller and I've seen 20 odd games were he didnt do a tap. Surely with Zlatans record he can't be as bad as I've seen him the few times I have?

DB10

Would love to see him at Arsenal, there isn't much better that would be available.

cruiserweight

Do not forget to sign Van Bommell as well, 8 titles in the last 12 seasons in 4 countries

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

DB10 wrote: »

Would love to see him at Arsenal, there isn't much better that would be available.

Similar to Tottenham, Arsenal would certainly not pay his wages. Would love to see how he does in the PL though, but only City and Chelsea would/could pay his wages.

baz2009

baz2009 wrote: »

Because he quite clearly doesn't suit their style.

He actually did, he just fell out with the management. I think they were a better team with more threats with him over Messi. He just had the falling out and everyone got on his back when he didn't score for a couple of games which wont happen with Villa because he's Spanish.

I suppose moving him on allowed Messi to be played more centrally but he was hardly doing bad cutting in from the right Zlatan's goal record is very good considering all the crap that went on in the 2nd half of the season.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Liam O wrote: »

He actually did, he just fell out with the management.

I think just about everybody else agrees that he didn't suit Barca's style.

DB10

THFC wrote: »

Similar to Tottenham, Arsenal would certainly not pay his wages. Would love to see how he does in the PL though, but only City and Chelsea would/could pay his wages.

How much is he on?

Personally I don't feel any player is worth over 90k a week unless it's Messi.

They aren't even worth that obviously, but I'm taking even in inflated football terms. Torres is on around 175k after paying 50m.

Utterly ridiculous, might as well piss money away.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

DB10 wrote: »

How much is he on?

Personally I don't feel any player is worth over 90k a week unless it's Messi.

They aren't even worth that obviously, but I'm taking even in inflated football terms. Torres is on around 175k after paying 50m.

Utterly ridiculous, might as well piss money away.

Apparently (according to one his threads on here) he was or is the second highest paid footballer in the world, so presumably over €200,000-a-week, which is just ridiculous for anyone.

Pauleta

Needs to do it on the big stage. El Classico, Milan derby, Derby d'italia, Champions League 1/4 finals and the European Championships dont count. He has to do it against an English team in the champions league that isnt Arsenal

DB10

THFC wrote: »

Apparently (according to one his threads on here) he was or is the second highest paid footballer in the world, so presumably over €200,000-a-week, which is just ridiculous for anyone.

Certainly not worth half that. Meh, I'm not too bothered, give me Kevin Davies over Bendtner and I'll be a happy man...:pac:

The Floyd p

I love Zlatan, such a beast.

Pauleta

DB10 wrote: »

How much is he on?

Personally I don't feel any player is worth over 90k a week unless it's Messi.

They aren't even worth that obviously, but I'm taking even in inflated football terms. Torres is on around 175k after paying 50m.

Utterly ridiculous, might as well piss money away.

You are clearly not up with the economics of football. C.Ronaldo is worth that just sitting on the bench, picking up jersey sales. Tevez is worth near 3 times that for dragging City into the champions league singlehandedly. Those are off the top of my head without delving into how much money players make their clubs.

PHB

Personally, I genuinely don't believe that anybody who watches him play reguarly could think he's anything but one of the best strikers in the world. I think most of the people who think he is overrated only watch him maybe 2 times a year at best.

Nalz

Pauleta wrote: »

You are clearly not up with the economics of football. C.Ronaldo is worth that just sitting on the bench, picking up jersey sales. Tevez is worth near 3 times that for dragging City into the champions league singlehandedly. Those are off the top of my head without delving into how much money players make their clubs.

put $ in get $$$$$ back = simples!

Sir Gallagher

I'm sure he's great and all but i avoid watching him because his big gormless head annoys me. Completely irrational I know.

keane2097

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

I'm sure he's great and all but i avoid watching him because his big gormless head annoys me. Completely irrational I know.

This is a perfectly valid point of view imo.

SK1979

PHB wrote: »

Personally, I genuinely don't believe that anybody who watches him play reguarly could think he's anything but one of the best strikers in the world. I think most of the people who think he is overrated only watch him maybe 2 times a year at best.

But the opposite can be said too, do the people who spout superlatives about him and call him one of the greatest strikers in the world watch his every game? What is the requisite number of games to form an opinion on him? For me he has disappointed in every single game I've watched him. I'll freely admit I've seen him twice this year (at most) but have seen him at least 20-30 times in the past number of years and about the only thing I remember him doing was that great arrow of a goal he scored for Sweden in the last European Championship (iirc).

I'm sure he is a quality player but for me he has disappointed every time I've seen him.

hatz7

THFC wrote: »

It's already been mentioned in his appreciation thread, no need to start another one for him.

Whatevvvverr!

Ibra is the man, and your dead right, where he goes the title follows

FORZA MILAN

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hatz7

SK1979 wrote: »

But the opposite can be said too, do the people who spout superlatives about him and call him one of the greatest strikers in the world watch his every game? What is the requisite number of games to form an opinion on him? For me he has disappointed in every single game I've watched him. I'll freely admit I've seen him twice this year (at most) but have seen him at least 20-30 times in the past number of years and about the only thing I remember him doing was that great arrow of a goal he scored for Sweden in the last European Championship (iirc).

I'm sure he is a quality player but for me he has disappointed every time I've seen him.

I've seem most of Milan's games this season,
Ibra was outstanding up until xmas, Milan literally won I'd say 12 games that they would not have won if it wasn't for him, he was unplayable in the first half of the season.

In the second half of the season, his performance level dropped, we got 5 new signings and he started picking up a couple of red cards. That effected him a lot, but he is the main reason that we won the title this year, no doubts about that and I'm a Pato fan!

Check out this goal he scored V Leecs this year, its a 30 second clip, but its an awesome goal!

http://youtu.be/jeP2xELzyk4

keane2097

that goal so much

Jazzy

he is and always has been the man. hes funny too


and speaking of video games, hes quite imbalanced in pro evo 6

Cianan2

Loved him ever since this interview! Just before he moved to Juventus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On100ZtKa_E

manic mailman

shadowcomplex wrote: »

1.Overrated , 2.never does it on the biggest stage,3.barca got rid of him

+1. In any 'big' match I've watched him he has never delivered. (Well this is the case in the CL anyhow).

flahavaj

Is the permanent move to Milan all signed up already? Because if Tevez heads off to Italy I could see Mancini being interested. Cue a ream of "Wednesday nights away to Stoke" jokes.

Predalien

PHB wrote: »

Personally, I genuinely don't believe that anybody who watches him play reguarly could think he's anything but one of the best strikers in the world. I think most of the people who think he is overrated only watch him maybe 2 times a year at best.

But isn't it likely that the people who only watch him twice a year only watch him in the more important games? And a lot of these people would suggest he doesn't perform well in these games, so it certainly seems he doesn't perform as well when it really matters. I think it's then fair to say he's overrated as the best strikers in the world perform when it matters most.

keane2097

Predalien wrote: »

But isn't it likely that the people who only watch him twice a year only watch him in the more important games? And a lot of these people would suggest he doesn't perform well in these games, so it certainly seems he doesn't perform as well when it really matters. I think it's then fair to say he's overrated as the best strikers in the world perform when it matters most.

Same as Cristiano Ronaldo so.

Cianan2

flahavaj wrote: »

Is the permanent move to Milan all signed up already? Because if Tevez heads off to Italy I could see Mancini being interested. Cue a ream of "Wednesday nights away to Stoke" jokes.

I remember reading somewhere that City tried to sign him (before they got Dzeko), and he said he doesn't want to play for them.

Seaneh

flahavaj wrote: »

Is the permanent move to Milan all signed up already? Because if Tevez heads off to Italy I could see Mancini being interested. Cue a ream of "Wednesday nights away to Stoke" jokes.

Yes, was from the second he arrived last summer, on a 4 year contract.

Predalien

keane2097 wrote: »

Same as Cristiano Ronaldo so.

Well not exactly, I've seen Ronaldo put in better performances than Ibra in big games, granted I've watched a lot more of Ronaldo. I'm not saying Ibra is by any means a bad player, I just think it's a pretty fair analysis to say he's overrated.

keane2097

Predalien wrote: »

Well not exactly, I've seen Ronaldo put in better performances than Ibra in big games, granted I've watched a lot more of Ronaldo. I'm not saying Ibra is by any means a bad player, I just think it's a pretty fair analysis to say he's overrated.

Ibra is the most underrated overrated player in the world.

You're talking about what, two Champions League games a year?

Genuinely, accept what people who watch him 10x more often than you are saying.

bonerm

Conversely :

May 2009 Barca = European Champions (with Eto, no Ibra)

July 2009 Barca and Inter Eto_cash/Ibra swap deal

May 2010 Inter = European Champions (with Eto, no Ibra)

Aug 2010 Barca Offload Ibra

May 2011 Barca = European Champions....?

jive

I think this record is blown out of proportion tbh. It's impressive no doubt but look at the teams he won with:
Ajax - not much competition in that league even at that time, 2 maybe 3 horse race
Juventus - won it during the match fixing scandal
Barcelona - dominating even after he left
Inter - they won it the year before he came and the year after he left
Milan - Inter have been dog since Mourinho left and as a result there's only 1 team who were realistically going to win it

Now while the record is very impressive, credit where credit is due, it seems to me that he arrived at the right times rather than him playing out of his skin helping the team to win the league. He's a solid player but I don't think he's one of the best in the world, IMO. He's around that level but I don't rate him as highly as I'd rate Rooney, Torres, Drogba, Higuain, Tevez and other top strikers. He's only scored 20+ goals once in a season. He is good and not as bad as people who watch him in the Champions League once a year make him out to be. I just don't rate him as highly as the world's top strikers. Close but not quite.

Zebra3

Pauleta wrote: »

You are clearly not up with the economics of football. C.Ronaldo is worth that just sitting on the bench, picking up jersey sales. Tevez is worth near 3 times that for dragging City into the champions league singlehandedly. Those are off the top of my head without delving into how much money players make their clubs.

The FF School of Economics.

Pauleta

manic mailman wrote: »

+1. In any 'big' match I've watched him he has never delivered. (Well this is the case in the CL anyhow).

He scored 4 in 7 in the champs league this year. Just because TV3 and RTE show a game, it doesnt make it more important to a game against other teams. They cover the populist games, not the big ones.

manic mailman

manic mailman wrote: »

+1. In any 'big' match I've watched him he has never delivered. (Well this is the case in the CL anyhow).

So you didn't watch him play Madrid in the league or Arsenal in the CL last season. You must watch him a lot then.

Predalien

keane2097 wrote: »

Ibra is the most underrated overrated player in the world.

You're talking about what, two Champions League games a year?

Genuinely, accept what people who watch him 10x more often than you are saying.

What? Surely I'm entitled to opinion? The Italian league is muck at the moment, he has consistently underperformed in big games, I've watched him for Sweden too and he's been nothing but underwhelming. From this I can't conclude he's one of the best in the world, I know the games I'm judging him on are a relatively small sample, but they are the more important games to judge a player's overall class. I do watch Serie A a bit as well and have seen him perform but never when the occasion was any bigger than a run of the mill league game.

keane2097

Predalien wrote: »

What? Surely I'm entitled to opinion? The Italian league is muck at the moment, he has consistently underperformed in big games, I've watched him for Sweden too and he's been nothing but underwhelming. From this I can't conclude he's one of the best in the world, I know the games I'm judging him on are a relatively small sample, but they are the more important games to judge a player's overall class. I do watch Serie A a bit as well and have seen him perform but never when the occasion was any bigger than a run of the mill league game.

Tbh, I imagine you're overstating how much you've seen him play, several example of him being class in big games have been given as well, just not examples of him beating teams on his own when playing for teams badly outclassed in the CL.

It's a bit like me saying your mom is ugly having only seen the back of her head from across a busy road once, obviously I'm entitled to my opinion, but since it's based on woefully inadequate information I'd be inclined to defer to your best friend who sees her every day and says she's a ride.

Blazer

Predalien wrote: »

es, I've watched him for Sweden too and he's been nothing but underwhelming. From this I can't conclude he's one of the best in the world, I know the games I'm judging him on are a relatively small sample, but they are the more important games to judge a player's overall class.

Christ you must think Messi's a donkey then after his showing for Argentina in the world cup?
Rooney must be another shíte player then.

flahavaj

keane2097 wrote: »

Tbh, I imagine you're overstating how much you've seen him play, several example of him being class in big games have been given as well, just not examples of him beating teams on his own when playing for teams badly outclassed in the CL.

It's a bit like me saying your mom is ugly having only seen the back of her head from across a busy road once, obviously I'm entitled to my opinion, but since it's based on woefully inadequate information I'd be inclined to defer to your best friend who sees her every day and says she's a ride.

Well for a start you'd be better off checking out her arse than the back of her head....

keane2097

flahavaj wrote: »

Well for a start you'd be better off checking out her arse than the back of her head....

That would overstate - in analogy terms - the amount of information a lot of people are basing their opinions of Zlatan ITT.

Predalien

Sc@recrow wrote: »

Christ you must think Messi's a donkey then after his showing for Argentina in the world cup?
Rooney must be another shíte player then.

Messi was good in the world cup, just didn't manage to score plus he happened to score a stunning brace against Madrid in a recent semi final...?? Rooney has been excellent in any number of big games. You clearly don't see the point I'm trying to make if you're going to use daft comparisons like that.

Surely even the biggest admirers of Ibra can acknowledge that he's failed to produce performances in big games far more often than the times he's played well.

Predalien

keane2097 wrote: »

Tbh, I imagine you're overstating how much you've seen him play, several example of him being class in big games have been given as well, just not examples of him beating teams on his own when playing for teams badly outclassed in the CL.

It's a bit like me saying your mom is ugly having only seen the back of her head from across a busy road once, obviously I'm entitled to my opinion, but since it's based on woefully inadequate information I'd be inclined to defer to your best friend who sees her every day and says she's a ride.

No it's more like concluding she's ugly when she's all dressed up for a big occasion and still doesn't look good.

He may be consistently good at a certain level but it's become more than apparent that when a step up in class is necessary he fails more often than he succeeds.