What do you think Ireland would be like if we never left the UK?

bayern282

Probably been similar threads to this in the past, but haven't seen them as a relatively new member.

Supposing word got around vetoing the Easter Rising and The Redmonites had their way ie; Home Rule within the UK or something akin to it.

Would The Troubles have been avoided?

Would we be like Scotland ie; Nuclear Sub bases dotted around our coasts?

Would we have been economically better off ?

Would we have a more harmonious ''West-Brit'' type of identity; where this would be a mere geographical term instead of a slur,instead of all the wailing and gnashing of teeth that some of us indulge in about who is or isn't ''truly Irish'', ie; Protestants / Travellers / The 2nd Generation Irish ( who chose to be born in England or the U.S, of course ! )

What sort of effect would WW2 have had on us?

Any ideas on the above?

admiralofthefleet

we would have a proper public transport system in dublin for a start

who what when

Hate to break it to ye but other than a few things running a bit better there wouldnt be much of a difference at all!

bayern282

Good point, think there would be a decent motorway / rail network comparable to Scotland's.

stovelid

Full of people that are rabid republicans, love GAA and adore gigantic English football corporations.

Oh wait..

hondasam

we would just be the poor relations ! No different than we are now.

ICE HOUSE

Decent football league

A.Tomas

We'd be ignorant f.ucks!

Which would be alright were it not the fact that we'd be second class citizens.

There would be less Irish (of whatever description) left in Ireland.

And we'd be impoverished!

We were already "in" the UK so why would they have suddenly changed their attitudes. They have not so far. see Northern Ireland.

Slán.:D

TheZohanS

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

we would have a proper public transport system in dublin for a start

bayern282 wrote: »

Good point, think there would be a decent motorway / rail network comparable to Scotland's.

No there wouldn't. Look at the North, roads are crap and public transport is poor.

Much better off the way we are.

PK2008

We'd all be speaking English!!!:eek:

Chris P. Bacon

We would of got a day of last Friday.

OPENROAD

Not this thread again. More repeats on here then Dave.

Puts kettle on and pulls up chair.

admiralofthefleet

TheZohan wrote: »

No there wouldn't. Look at the North, roads are crap and public transport is poor.

Much better off the way we are.

dublin was the second city of the british empire so im sure it would be much better then it is now

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

We'd be witnessing uprisings against British rule every decade or two.

Fiskar

TheZohan wrote: »

No there wouldn't. Look at the North, roads are crap and public transport is poor.

Much better off the way we are.

Erh, economies of scale, we would be a bigger fish seeking better infrastructure AND Metro to the airport would be in place

Killer Wench

No Riverdance.

General General

A guesstimate of 25000 Irish men dead in WW2.

TheZohanS

Fiskar wrote: »

Erh, economies of scale, we would be a bigger fish seeking better infrastructure AND Metro to the airport would be in place

Economies of scale? lol Metro to the airport? The UK rail network is in bits, privatised and poorly funded. You can dream all you want but the Mainland always gets looked after first.

galwayrush

Better train services, motorways since the 60/70's three times the population and lots of republicans constantly blowing up the infrastructure.

Jeboa Safari

Killer Wench wrote: »

No Riverdance.

And no Eurovision record holders

whiskeyman

I'd be spending most my time on boards.co.uk

LordSutch

At a guess I'd say we would be probably be a lot more like Scotland, Of course we'd still have our beef with 'England' but we would never have had the trouble that we have had over the the last eight decades. If we had stayed in the Union I guess that we'd now have a couple of Neuclear Sub bases dotted around the coast, quite a few Irish RAF bases dotted around also, with a smallish Ubderground Tube line in Dublin, Trams too, with Tram systems also in Cork & Galway. I guess that we as an island would have also avoided the troubles, Tourism would be much healthier, and then ironically the Irish language would probably be much healthier too! (ala the Welsh language), which ironically has the massive financial backing of Westminster, who we escaped from :cool:

OPENROAD

We probably would have decent beer in our pubs, we might even have London Pride :eek::D

OPENROAD

whiskeyman wrote: »

I'd be spending most my time on boards.co.uk

AH, same thing really

m@cc@

TheZohan wrote: »

No there wouldn't. Look at the North, roads are crap and public transport is poor.

As opposed to the South which has poured billions into building an infastructure which has no economy to support it. Funny s***.

swordofislam

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

dublin was the second city of the british empire so im sure it would be much better then it is now

Hot water would be 10 pence a cup instead of 10 cents. Dublin would have been bombed flat during the 2nd world war (the Ack Ack guns would all be in England) Sella field would be in naas, they would have tested the English atom bomb in cork, there would be compulsory abortions for Irish people, Irish children would be harvested for organs f=by the English royal family, all our food would be stolen at the point of a bayonet, the roads would be tiny twisty and terrible, hundreds of thousands of people would have been burned alive in burning experiments by the englush royal family. We would have to eat toenail clippings because the potatos would be blighty.

OPENROAD

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

And no Eurovision record holders

Don't worry, I am quietly confident Ireland will win it this year, we are sending over the A team in terms of Irish music this year

swordofislam

OPENROAD wrote: »

We probably would have decent beer in our pubs, we might even have London Pride :eek::D

Put a drop of Washing up liquid in a pint of carlsberg and you've got London pride it is soapy piss.

sollar

There would be alot more people from the UK settled here, all that land that dev took back would still be in the hands of a few british gentry. We would have the nhs.

OPENROAD

swordofislam wrote: »

Put a drop of Washing up liquid in a pint of carlsberg and you've got London pride it is soapy piss.

:eek::eek: I'm speechless :eek:

ejmaztec

We'd have a free health service, and we'd all know who "The Queen" was.

123balltv

decent healthcare affordable doctors/hospital beds
Irish hospitals shameful compared to the UK €50 plus for GPS
and Godforbid you have an accident €120 A&E

admiralofthefleet

swordofislam wrote: »

Hot water would be 10 pence a cup instead of 10 cents. Dublin would have been bombed flat during the 2nd world war (the Ack Ack guns would all be in England) Sella field would be in naas, they would have tested the English atom bomb in cork, there would be compulsory abortions for Irish people, Irish children would be harvested for organs f=by the English royal family, all our food would be stolen at the point of a bayonet, the roads would be tiny twisty and terrible, hundreds of thousands of people would have been burned alive in burning experiments by the englush royal family. We would have to eat toenail clippings because the potatos would be blighty.

20p allowing for inflation since 2004

Guy:Incognito

We'd all wear bowler hats and have dodgy teeth.

bayern282

any ideas on how our Northern brethren would have turned out, there alway was grief up there pre 1921, however another Somme this time in WW2 might have cemented the communities rather than polarised them, the policies of Craig, Faulkner, Chichester-Clark etc would not have happened if NI had never came about.

swordofislam

Ireland would be an apocalyptic wasteland inhabited mainly by zombies and werewolves after it all went wrong. But the survivors who after all would envy the dead would be a super race of celtic ninjas.

swordofislam

123balltv wrote: »

decent healthcare affordable doctors/hospital beds
Irish hospitals shameful compared to the UK €50 plus for GPS
and Godforbid you have an accident €120 A&E

The RC chirch wouod have demanded that the nhs not apply to ireland in the 50s.

swordofislam

bayern282 wrote: »

any ideas on how our Northern brethren would have turned out, there alway was grief up there pre 1921, however another Somme this time in WW2 might have cemented the communities rather than polarised them, the policies of Craig, Faulkner, Chichester-Clark etc would not have happened if NI had never came about.

there would have been an NI there would have been 2 home rule parliaments. I visited the Ulster division graveyard at the somme it isn't that big certainly not big enough!:D

paddy0090

They'd be dying to get rid of us! We'd be raping them for everything. In a way we might be like the North of England only on another island. Like the North of Ireland

Chuck Stone

Ireland would have had a large number of people in a paramilitary group on constant active service, seeking independence, which would have had much support - particularly outside 'the pale'.

bob50

Oh we would have a currency called sterling which would be ok

Comapared to the euro for which we might yet have to leave

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

sollar wrote: »

all that land that dev Davitt took back would still be in the hands of a few british gentry. the Irish farmers who gained it before independence.

FYP

hogflem

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Ireland would have had a large number of people in a paramilitary group on constant active service, seeking independence, which would have had much support - particularly outside 'the pale'.

And our american neighbors would cry "terrorist threat",and crush us like a cockroach under they're rather large boot heel.

Chuck Stone

hogflem wrote: »

And our american neighbors would cry "terrorist threat",and crush us like a cockroach under they're rather large boot heel.

Na - don't be silly. Irish America would never have allowed that to happen.

hogflem

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Na - don't be silly. Irish America would never have allowed that to happen.

They're president is a coloured man with a muslim name,that didn't seem to help all the coloured men, women,and children, who have muslim names, British muslims tried to help and got sent to the guantonamo hilton for their efforts.

KeithAFC

Would probably be awful in terms of violence.

ejmaztec

We'd have proper air displays consisting of more than 2 planes, and none of them would be a beaten up old airliner.

Chuck Stone

ejmaztec wrote: »

We'd have proper air displays consisting of more than 2 planes, and none of them would be a beaten up old airliner.

Don't be silly.

And, what do you mean by 'we'? I doubt there would be occupier air displays as they'd have been a prime target for independence fighters. Too much of a security risk for the occupiers.

I mean, Mrs Windsor is only feeling relatively safe making her way over here in 2011.

vampire of kilmainham

we'd have british army in all the barrecks in the country severl military air bases full of british fighter aircraft we wouldent be netural we'd be considered british there would be loads of brits living here we'd have an underground rail system which would be good and the buses would be red and id of stayed in NEW YORK:eek::eek::eek:

flas

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

we would have a proper public transport system in dublin for a start

after our old one got blown to sh!t in world war two!

it would be privatised and mad expensive like it is in the uk!

OMG Its EoinD

We would probably have a decent broadband infrastructure. Instead of this crappy one we have