Ideas for Irish Promotions Topic(s) *READ POST 48*

thebostoncrab

If a mod wants to close this then I understand, just thought it might be an idea for people to share some ideas.


So now that the Irish Promotions thread is locked due to less than a handfull of lads, what ideas could there be to keep the topic alive when (if) it reopens?

Personally I think having something like what the UKFF has could be an idea, add another sub-forum for Irish Promotions. Each company gets there own topic, it could make everything easier to follow (So someone who wants to find out about an event in Clara doesn't have to search through post upon post about other promotions) and it would keep the "main page" as it is now without people complaining about groups spamming it with event info.

What ideas have you guys got yourselves? Once again if the mods want to close this and keep the discussion to themselves thats cool I understand.

Please, so we can keep this topic plain and simple, can promotions not post up events, results or news in this thread? Also can we not talk about who we like or who is ****e etc. Let's keep it at just discussing what ideas people have.

gimmick

Myself and BH will discuss this when he is online again.

FFPW Office

A sub-forum I think would be ideal. In fairness I think less than a handful of people soured the Irish Thread this week, i'd say one or two setting up different accounts. Any non-sense posts should just be deleted and ignored.

Smoshi

I will try to type my best on this.

I think it was bad to close a whole thread because of 2 - 3 people who were oviously just being petty and imature. If they were wrestlers using other names to take shots at people they dont like well thats just sad and the people doing it oviously have little else going on if thats what they do with themselfs.

I decided to try and enjoy irish wrestling again after loosing interest in '09. And i was lucky to discover this forum last december. I like the chance to speak to other fans about LOCAL wrestling. You can talk to any wrestling fan about wwe; but we have our own great wrestlers rite here.

It sucks for me as a fan to have a thread i like to read and post on taken away becuas of a few bad apples. I dont blame the modarators, they are only doing there job. But i think itas unfair on the 10 - 15 people that are being good to have it ruined by people like dcw4life & wrestlinpenis.

I fully support watever choice the mods make. But please keep us fans in mind and not the few saddos that post snide remarks.

jaykhunter

FFPW Office wrote: »

A sub-forum I think would be ideal. In fairness I think less than a handful of people soured the Irish Thread this week, i'd say one or two setting up different accounts.

I think a sub-forum is a great idea. It means that we boardsie regulars only have to see one thread (the sub forum) and then each promotion could have it's own thread. And any trolling/baiting gets a knock with the banhammer.

The problem is the people, not the threads.... I don't envy you mods!

Bounty Hunter

My Internet went down for the past few days (thought it was back yesterday briefly & posted) plus my time difference (tis already 1am) and I missed a lot (fair play Gimmick handling this thus far) but im back now! :pac:

Some good ideas proposed here, keep em coming as far as im concerned but heed tbc's warning in the OP please (this thread will be modded strictly). Perhaps this is something that was needed and change with how we approach the Irish promotions topics/sticky needs to be looked at and thats what myself and Gimmick will be doing, hopefully along with your proper imput.

For now if information about shows etc has to be posted immediatly you can PM me and ill try and edit it into the locked sticky. I cant speak for Gimmick but he would probably be willing to do the same and there would be no time delay with him.

I would like to see the Irish wrestling scene promoted as much as possible on boards PW but we do have to ask ourselves how busy is the current thread? what proportion of PW users actually use it? these questions will lead to if a lot of your suggestions such as a sub forum are feasable possibilities or not.

CMpunked

With the fantastic breakthrough of so many irish entities in the country the last few months/years, i really think the level of promotion that happens in the country has outgrown just the one thread.
Whats the possibility of just having specific threads for specific companies?

Like an Iww thread, a DCW thread, an NLW thread and so on. And for the shows that arent promoted too much, (like main stage wrestling) can have just a generic mixed bag thread?

Rex_kramer

Here is an idea, How about we get new mods in. I really dont mind if im barred. You guys ban people all the time for posting opinions. To think a moderator decided to close a forum where people can talk and promote the Irish wrestling scene is crazy. It was 2 people....... Just 2 people, who decided to ruin the board. Heres a crazy idea, I heard they do this on UKFF etc. You ban the 2 IP address.
Its funny because these forums used to be great. There ruined by crap moderators

CMpunked

Rex_kramer wrote: »

There ruined by crap moderators

Great constructive points, well done. :rolleyes:

flahavaj

CMpunked wrote: »

With the fantastic breakthrough of so many irish entities in the country the last few months/years, i really think the level of promotion that happens in the country has outgrown just the one thread.
Whats the possibility of just having specific threads for specific companies?

Like an Iww thread, a DCW thread, an NLW thread and so on. And for the shows that arent promoted too much, (like main stage wrestling) can have just a generic mixed bag thread?

Too much clutter having multiple Irish wrestling threads IMO. The Irish Promotions Thread would often go a long time without any meaningful posts too. Its fine the way it is, it just got trolled very badly the last few days. If the Thread wa closed or changed fulltime it would truly be the end of an era for the PW forum. Probably the most long running and simluteneously epic threads ever.

CMpunked

flahavaj wrote: »

Too much clutter having multiple Irish wrestling threads IMO. The Irish Promotions Thread would often go a long time without any meaningful posts too. Its fine the way it is, it just got trolled very badly the last few days. If the Thread wa closed or changed fulltime it would truly be the end of an era for the PW forum. Probably the most long running and simluteneously epic threads ever.

Yeah you know, in hindsight your right, i had a quick leaf through the thread and using my idea would need about 6 or 7 threads at least. So that might not work.

thebostoncrab

flahavaj wrote: »

Too much clutter having multiple Irish wrestling threads IMO. The Irish Promotions Thread would often go a long time without any meaningful posts too. Its fine the way it is, it just got trolled very badly the last few days. If the Thread wa closed or changed fulltime it would truly be the end of an era for the PW forum. Probably the most long running and simluteneously epic threads ever.

But if kept in a sub forum like wrestling travel it reduces the clutter on the main page

It could be a great way to help promote Irish Wrestling too. If someone glances at the current sticky they may not take notice, but if they look at the sub forum and see a thread title saying NLW live in Kildare they may go "Damn I didn't know we had wrestling in Kildare!" and pop along.

gimmick

I do not think there is enough interest to create a subforum yet. The sticky has only 2000ish posts in how many years?

What I would be in favour of doing is something similar to the soccer forum, of having an NLW thread, a DCW thread etc etc etc. These would just be regular threads rather than stickies.

This will not cause too much clutter, and if someone decides to troll one of the threads it is far easier to spot it and take action.

I certainly think it is worth a trial at least? If that works, then we can really have a good case for a sub forum.

jaykhunter

See if you have 6 non-stickies I fear that whoever's proponents will just keep spamming their own thread to keep it on the main page. Not that I want 6 stickies either, as regulars would be forced to look at their 6 stickies they have no interest in.

I'd suggest making a sub-forum - it's not a promotion, more of a resort so we don't have to see 6 threads about Irish wrestling but they're still there.

These Irish promotions thread(s) need a bit of time off, what about for 1-2 weeks just having them PM you details of the next show and u add it to the sticky and have it locked?

Anyway whatever u decide, worth a try.

nlw_coleman

gimmick wrote: »

I do not think there is enough interest to create a subforum yet. The sticky has only 2000ish posts in how many years?

What I would be in favour of doing is something similar to the soccer forum, of having an NLW thread, a DCW thread etc etc etc. These would just be regular threads rather than stickies.

This will not cause too much clutter, and if someone decides to troll one of the threads it is far easier to spot it and take action.

I certainly think it is worth a trial at least? If that works, then we can really have a good case for a sub forum.

This is defo the way to go. Each group has their own thread, No Limit Wrestling Thread, Dublin Championship Wrestling Thread etc. One for each group where we can post our results, info etc and everyone can easily follow each promotion.
The Irish sticky thread was too much work for people to follow. This will be easier and more effective.
But can we go ahead and make our threads since we have 3 shows THIS weekend???

waltersobchak

jaykhunter wrote: »

See if you have 6 non-stickies I fear that whoever's proponents will just keep spamming their own thread to keep it on the main page. Not that I want 6 stickies either, as regulars would be forced to look at their 6 stickies they have no interest in.

I'd suggest making a sub-forum - it's not a promotion, more of a resort so we don't have to see 6 threads about Irish wrestling but they're still there.

These Irish promotions thread(s) need a bit of time off, what about for 1-2 weeks just having them PM you details of the next show and u add it to the sticky and have it locked?

Anyway whatever u decide, worth a try.

Its not that easy to make a Sub-Forum. Its not like BH and gimmick can just create one, the Admins have to green light it and it may take months of work, and support just like the Wrestling Travel Forum took..

CMpunked

waltersobchak wrote: »

Its not that easy to make a Sub-Forum. Its not like BH and gimmick can just create one, the Admins have to green light it and it may take months of work and support just like the Wrestling Travel Forum took..

That took a good 3 months until the feedback thread was even replied to.

The individual non stickied threads for each promotion is a great idea. :cool:

Lord TSC

jaykhunter wrote: »

See if you have 6 non-stickies I fear that whoever's proponents will just keep spamming their own thread to keep it on the main page. Not that I want 6 stickies either, as regulars would be forced to look at their 6 stickies they have no interest in.

I'd suggest making a sub-forum - it's not a promotion, more of a resort so we don't have to see 6 threads about Irish wrestling but they're still there.

These Irish promotions thread(s) need a bit of time off, what about for 1-2 weeks just having them PM you details of the next show and u add it to the sticky and have it locked?

Anyway whatever u decide, worth a try.

Agree with this post.

As someone who has zero interest in the Irish wrestling scene at the moment, I fear that you would have a few people continually bumping their topics up to keep them on the front page. At least with the sticky, it's on the front page but its confined to a single topic; six+ topics would be so frustrating, at least to me. I know it's not really my decision but if it does come to a vote or anything, I'd be behind the subforum idea...

Justin Ternet

Some of my favourite discussions on the irish promotions were the ones where irish wrestling in general were talked about. Where would this be catered for, will there be 'general irish promotions discussion'? Or is the fear that it would just collapse into the same old clusterf**k?

Rex_kramer

Yeah good idea, then a rival of another Irish promotion goes into the other promotions thread, makes a few stupid posts and gets his rival promotions thread locked. There are thousands of wrestling forums and none of them have this crap of locking threads because 2 people decided to act up.
By locking the Irish thread you let the 2 guys win, they don't care about the Irish thread, they were here to ruin it, and the mods let them win

CMpunked

Rex_kramer wrote: »

Yeah good idea, then a rival of another Irish promotion goes into the other promotions thread, makes a few stupid posts and gets his rival promotions thread locked. There are thousands of wrestling forums and none of them have this crap of locking threads because 2 people decided to act up.
By locking the Irish thread you let the 2 guys win, they don't care about the Irish thread, they were here to ruin it, and the mods let them win

To be fair, the thread/irish promotions idea had to be rethought.
As i already said, the sheer amount of posts per week from each individual promotion made it kinda hard to keep up with reviews, reports etc.
From looking at the forum for 3 years now ive never seen the thread so busy.

gimmick

jaykhunter wrote: »

I'd suggest making a sub-forum - it's not a promotion, more of a resort so we don't have to see 6 threads about Irish wrestling but they're still there.

The wrestling travel sub forum took a good 4 months from idea to fruition. If the individual threads work out and are busy, the sub forum would be far easier to pitch.

nlw_coleman wrote: »

But can we go ahead and make our threads since we have 3 shows THIS weekend???

Defo be open for business before lunchtime tomorrow.

Rex_kramer wrote: »

Yeah good idea, then a rival of another Irish promotion goes into the other promotions thread, makes a few stupid posts and gets his rival promotions thread locked. There are thousands of wrestling forums and none of them have this crap of locking threads because 2 people decided to act up.
By locking the Irish thread you let the 2 guys win, they don't care about the Irish thread, they were here to ruin it, and the mods let them win

I like you. But for the bit I have bolded, if someone does do that, it is far quicker, and easier to identify it, and take action.

Rex_kramer

CMpunked wrote: »

To be fair, the thread/irish promotions idea had to be rethought.
As i already said, the sheer amount of posts per week from each individual promotion made it kinda hard to keep up with reviews, reports etc.
From looking at the forum for 3 years now ive never seen the thread so busy.

So the Irish thread is busy, is that such a bad thing ? Its not like all the Irish promotions are plugging their shows daily, DCW and NLW make a few posts and updates about their upcoming shows. What's wrong with that ? Anyway people are making an issue out of nothing here. Just ban the IP address of the trouble makers, reopen the Irish thread and let's get on with it. Am I the only one here who views it this way ? I view a lot of wrestling forums, none have this crap of locking threads. The only time you see it really is when someone posts about a fake wrestler death, or some other total bull sh.t lie. I'm sick of over reacting mods, it was the same deal when the made a new Irish thread ( what that solved, I don't know?) it's like they have nothing better to do at all, so they make issues out of nothing

Rex_kramer

gimmick wrote: »

The wrestling travel sub forum took a good 4 months from idea to fruition. If the individual threads work out and are busy, the sub forum would be far easier to pitch.



Defo be open for business before lunchtime tomorrow.



I like you. But for the bit I have bolded, if someone does do that, it is far quicker, and easier to identify it, and take action.

It was easy to identify the 2 guys causing the trouble in the first place

Lord TSC

Going off on a tangent but I disagree with you Rex. One thing I love about this board is how quick they lock down bad topics and deal with trolls and the likes. I've been on many other wrestling boards where there's more "freedom" and they descend into stupidity and chaos. It may seem like they over-react but I find that makes it a far better and sensible forum to visit.

Case and point, the Dirtsheet Dave video thread. I have not shared that video on any other forum cause I fear the destructive feedback I'd get. I want constructive criticism and feel safe here thanks to the generally quick mod work. I know I can get sensible replies and not attacks for the sake of annoying someone.

This board is safe and fun and logical. It's a great board to actually discuss and debate things, and they fact they are so hard on trolls and trolling posts is a real bonus for me.

Ok, ass-licking over....

gimmick

Listen Rex, if you do not like how this forum is modded, please do not use it. The way we go about things has been working perfectly fine without you coming in.

As you seem to be ignoring, we are try to improve the situation, not mess it up.

The problem with the "2" posters acting up, is that the pages were being taken up with people reacting to them. The thread turned into a complete cluster.

As I said, if you do not like it, go somewhere else.

CMpunked

Rex_kramer wrote: »

So the Irish thread is busy, is that such a bad thing

No but its the exact reason why one thread for 7+ promotions isnt going to work anymore.

Smoshi

Wiould it be reasonable to keep the sticky for general discussion and debate?

And then have individual threads that have the *no chat* tag on them. So the only posts going into them are upcoming shows,updates on the matches, youtube videos etc.

What do u think?

Bounty Hunter

Firstly Rex you are entitled to your opinion and despite what you said in your first post we do not ban people for their opinions all the time. Unless they are of the opinion that the PW readers need to be informed that Wrestling is fake/Gay etc, then yes off to the fail thread with them because tbh that is more trolling than sharing an opinion.

Personally I've been a mod for the best part of 2 years and I would say ive only banned a hand full of posters in my time, infact i made it a bit of a running thing to point out when modding how im just a normal PW poster like you guys and that i'd prefer to not have to take mod action against anyone. Similarily in that time ive locked very few threads.

Since I've been mod (not as a result of me, but primarily thanks to those who preceded me and our regulars) there have been very few problems on this board and to be honest the past few days saw an almost unprecidented amount of reported posts and even if it may seem obvious who is at fault we have to prove that before taking action against them so as to avoid feedback threads, multiple accounts being created to spam/flame us etc (speaking from experience here). Also speaking from experience, as much as i'd like to pretend otherwise the Irish promotions sticky has been a hotbed for bickering in the past and this is not the first time it has been shut, I dont want it to decend back to where it was.

As myself and Gimmick have said we want to promote the Irish Wrestling scene the best we can here and we are now consulting you the people who post on this matter about it. So please take advantage of that option now if you wish because usually mods would not do so.

atm from what ive seen suggested opening the individual threads for certain promotions does seem like a good start and after that we can gauge if another sub forum would be viable but as pointed out about the travel forum that will be some way off

Rex_kramer

gimmick wrote: »

Listen Rex, if you do not like how this forum is modded, please do not use it. The way we go about things has been working perfectly fine without you coming in.

As you seem to be ignoring, we are try to improve the situation, not mess it up.

The problem with the "2" posters acting up, is that the pages were being taken up with people reacting to them. The thread turned into a complete cluster.

As I said, if you do not like it, go somewhere

Listen gimmick, maybe you need to relax all I wanted to say is maybe you guys should have noticed that the 2 guys were ripping the piss and suspend or banned their accounts. You over re-acted by locking the thread. Simple as that.
A note on the board Stating that the 2 guys have been suspended/banned, take no attention etc etc would have worked just fine. That's just my opinion and I have a right to share it here on the board.

gimmick

Right then, the general discussion thread will remain closed for the time being.

Meanwhile, the various promotion reps are invited to open a thread for their own promotions. These threads will hopefully be used similarly to the "superthreads" in the soccer forum for certain football clubs in that you can discuss shows, results, roster etc etc etc. I would hope that if these go ok, we will start a new general discussion thread.

If these work out well over the next while, a request will be made to admin for an Irish promotions sub forum.

A dim view will be taken to people from rival promotions trolling.

thebostoncrab

Would a general Irish wrestling chat topic have a green light for now also?

flahavaj

Could I suggest a similar idea to the SF where they put "tags" of some sort (I'm not sure of the exact term or mechanism - Slick Ric would know) on the superthreads so people could filter them out if they didn't like them cluttering up their front page? I think that'd deal easily and effectively with a lot of people's main objections to several Irish threads being at the top of the page at once.

D2D

flahavaj wrote: »

Could I suggest a similar idea to the SF where they put "tags" of some sort (I'm not sure of the exact term or mechanism - Slick Ric would know) on the superthreads so people could filter them out if they didn't like them cluttering up their front page? I think that'd deal easily and effectively with a lot of people's main objections to several Irish threads being at the top of the page at once.

Yeah, have something like Irish Promotion before the thread title or something

Bounty Hunter

flahavaj wrote: »

Could I suggest a similar idea to the SF where they put "tags" of some sort (I'm not sure of the exact term or mechanism - Slick Ric would know) on the superthreads so people could filter them out if they didn't like them cluttering up their front page? I think that'd deal easily and effectively with a lot of people's main objections to several Irish threads being at the top of the page at once.

I know of what you speak and thanks (for pointing that out) cos that sounds ideal for this situation. A lot of this may be trial and error I.E deciding if the individual Irish "superthreads" are working/sustainable, if they are busy enough to warrant a subforum, how the general thread will work etc but in the long term wether you believe mods acted poorly by shutting the super thread or not how Irish promotions are represented on boards pw will be improved due to our actions now (in association with your own of course as well as the suggestions thus far).

Lord TSC

Quick question...how do you set the filters :S

Bounty Hunter

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Quick question...how do you set the filters :S

i've been super busy with normal life (only home from work at 10.30 now and havent eaten yet today) and tbh I dont think the threads currently have them just they are tagged Irish Promotions atm, the filters are a new enough feature and ive not added any before to threads so tbh I cant actually answer your question yet

They will be added though and it will be explained how they can be used for your benefit .

TheTwiz

I'm a big DCW but do they realise that their May 21st show is on the same night as Man Utd vs Barcelona in the Champions League final. The show attendance will be hugely affected by that

flahavaj

TheTwiz wrote: »

I'm a big DCW but do they realise that their May 21st show is on the same night as Man Utd vs Barcelona in the Champions League final. The show attendance will be hugely affected by that

CL Final is 28th May.

Losty Dublin

TheTwiz wrote: »

I'm a big DCW but do they realise that their May 21st show is on the same night as Man Utd vs Barcelona in the Champions League final. The show attendance will be hugely affected by that

It's the other European Cup final, rugby's Heineken Cup that's on that night. Certainly it will take a good few people out of the attendance.

Charisteas

Heineken cup final starts at 5pm, the DCW show starts at 7:30pm, you could squeeze both in!

jaykhunter

I hope this sub-forum happens sooner than later tbh. The first two pages are just littered with Irish Promotions threads after the stickied thread exploded i was hoping to not hear anything about it for a little while until everything blew over.

gimmick

Meh, just shows the forum is busy.

thebostoncrab

Exactly, the fact that the threads are so busy it could speed up the sub forum

jaykhunter

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Exactly, the fact that the threads are so busy it could speed up the sub forum

hooray I'm just really down on Irish promotions as last week was pretty much my first exposure to the their superthread and was depressing to see.

Just needed to get that off my chest

Rex_kramer

jaykhunter wrote: »

hooray I'm just really down on Irish promotions as last week was pretty much my first exposure to the their superthread and was depressing to see.

Just needed to get that off my chest

If it makes you depressed, then don't click anything to do with Irish wrestling ????

The Cannibal

Gonna be harder for me to keep track of things now. Normally I only come on here when my Irish Promotions sub tells me there is a new post. Don't feel like subscribing to multiple threads.

gimmick

Right, we have been working this for over a month now. How do people think it is working with each company having its own thread?

From my point of view it seems to be going great. The foolishness which caused us to close the superthread is ceased it seems.

Ill be interested to here what the various promotion reps think?

flahavaj

I appreciate the fact that ye are having less messing going on, but I don't read the individual threads, I don't think I've looked at one of them since they were opened, wheres I used to read the old thread on a daily basis.

nlw_coleman

flahavaj wrote: »

I appreciate the fact that ye are having less messing going on, but I don't read the individual threads, I don't think I've looked at one of them since they were opened, wheres I used to read the old thread on a daily basis.

Nobody reads them, they're not working. I was in favour of them at the beginning but now i realise the Irish sticky worked better.

Shadooby

Its helpful to the promotions in that they can post about their upcoming shows but then again its not working either. I think the only reason that there hasnt been any trouble in the topics is because those who were involved are still banned as far as I am aware