RTE Consumer show - Renault piece?

Stevie Dakota

Anyone watch this last night? Caught the last 2 minutes and they were referring to some Renault issue, can anyone enlighten me as to what they were on about?

Cheers.

newbie2

I think they were saying that Renault cars are sh1t.

Anyway heres the link to the programme on the RTE PLayer
http://www.rte.ie/player/#v=1097518

coylemj

Apparently there is a major problem with failures in the electric windows of 2002-2006 Megane II and Scenic II motors, it's a known problem here and in the UK.

The cars are well out of warranty but whereas Renault UK are chipping in 75% of the cost of repair as a goodwill gesture, Renault Ireland are telling people to PFO.

STForSale

Auld lad is currently driving a megane II with no working windows.
(I did tell him to buy a focus).
Hope this goes somewhere cos local stealer wants 000's to fix.

Stevie Dakota

This old chestnut, Renault extended the regulator warranty to 4 years but if the UK are doing longer then Renault Ireland should do the same, a design fault is a design fault. We have a 2006 with 2 regs done under warranty, think it's €300 each outside of warranty.

STForSale

Keelin singned off by saying they would like to hear from people with good/bad experience of Renault. Hope there is no quota on her inbox :eek:

yop

My sister calls her's the "Renault Migraine" for a reason!

Windows, turbo etc etc etc

Stevie Dakota

yop wrote: »

Windows, turbo etc etc etc

Now, now, Renault are far from alone when it comes to turbos!

yop

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Now, now, Renault are far from alone when it comes to turbos!

I am sure they are not but they are well able to ignore fault after fault and not accept responsibility like their UK counterparts!

Stevie Dakota

yop wrote: »

I am sure they are not but they are well able to ignore fault after fault and not accept responsibility like their UK counterparts!

I agree that Renault Ireland should cop on and follow the UK lead. Idiots.

However I do think that it is to Renault's credit that they put there hands up in 2008 and have worked improved quality and reliability no end. Surveys reflect this. People go on about Renault but forget that BMW, Mercedes, VW (coil pack anyone?) and others have all produced seriously flawed and troublesome cars in the very recent past.

yop

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

I agree that Renault Ireland should cop on and follow the UK lead. Idiots.

However I do think that it is to Renault's credit that they put there hands up in 2008 and have worked improved quality and reliability no end. Surveys reflect this. People go on about Renault but forget that BMW, Mercedes, VW (coil pack anyone?) and others have all produced seriously flawed and troublesome cars in the very recent past.

From experience the Renaults 4 years + are awful muck, I owned a new Megane in mid 2000's but sold it on after 2 years for a change and have to say I never had a days issue with it.
But its the older the car gets the problems appear. Its 2004/2005's which seem to cause the big issue.

Look at my own ST, the EGR valve fails on the majority of them, the injectors go on too many of them etc. Doesn't make them a pile, but its a pain in the rear!

yop

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

they put there hands up in 2008.

They had their hands up to hold up the window when the regulator went

Stevie Dakota

yop wrote: »

But its the older the car gets the problems appear.

Ditto almost any car, my 2008 Focus just needed a new shock and AC work one month out of warranty. Masterful obsolescence, they just don't make em like they used to.

smokingman

This just in - "Renault in bad electrics shocker!"

If you bought the most towed car in Ireland, you deserve it for not doing any research beforehand.

Poly

I had two Renault vans and a Renault car for work, never had all three on the road at the same time. Always something wrong with one of them. Worst sh1teboxes I ever bought.

JimmyCrackCorn

A Renault with electric problems is news?? Though fair dues to them for goodwill repair. Allot of manufacturers wouldn't.

I bought one as a bangernomic once. Never ever again.:(

Orando Broom

The oul fella has had two Laugunas. He loves them. Bombproof. I'm not a fan myself but neither car has given him a days bother.

OldmanMondeo

Is it a problem with the regulator or with the motor? A "spurious" regulator can be bought from any motor factors for around €120. What would an indy charge to fit it?

Guy:Incognito

OldmanMondeo wrote: »

Is it a problem with the regulator or with the motor? A "spurious" regulator can be bought from any motor factors for around €120. What would an indy charge to fit it?

Its the regulator. Think there a plastic part on it that breaks.

Havnt experienced it myself(6 years old and 100,000km's so far).

Prices quoted on the show seemed all over the place. Different garages quoting anything from 300 + vat to over 700 iirc.

As with anything of this nature, independant is the way to go for repairs and parts can be got cheaper online.

Dilbert75

Similar problems with window regulators in VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat - had to replace one on my old Octavia and I was guessing another one probably hadn't much life left in it when I sold it. Bought a genuine part for €100 and fitted it myself though so not too bad.

Ciarrai76

I saw the show on Tuesday and was so glad to know I'm not alone!!

I have a 2004 Renault megane & have probs with my electric windows since I bought it in 2007. At present, the front passenger window won't go down, regulator gone & quoted at least €350 to repair!
I emailed the show & the producer said there has been a massive response. she wanted some more info from me and a photo of the car. They will be doing a follow up next Tuesday night, 8.30pm. Looking forward to it now and hope Renault Ireland step up to the mark on this one!

Fishtits

Renault electronic problems are well known in the trade.

Windows, handbrakes, dashboards, etc. Pity, as they spoil a good car.

When they eventually get the balls to own up to it they may recover.

I had a scenic in for window problems, I had it for less than 24 hrs, during which time the handbrake and digital dash packed up.

My local "friendly" Renault service representative displayed zero understanding and batted me away.

JabbaTheHut

Simple rule of thumb. RENAULT, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, stay well clear of them all. All French yokes are rubbish. VW, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Hyuandi, Skoda and pretty anything else that's not French are miles ahead.

While they all have their own individual problems, none are as bad as the French stuff. There's a reason why Renaults, Peugeots and Cirtoens are MUCH cheaper 2nd hand than anything else. It's because they are rubbish. I wouldn't buy one to save my life. pure crap.

Kensington

Are they not using Renault gear in Nissan's now though?
They are pure muck though, the parents have had Megane - Laguna 2 - Megane 2 now but never again will they touch Renault.
Each one:
- multiple window regulators
- coils (twice on the Laguna)
- key fob system stopped working
- camshaft sensors

And the latest Megane 2 is on it's third clutch, after just 60,000km. Nothing to do with driving style, but a dodgy part. Clutch plate warps easily and no matter how slowly you bring the clutch out to go from a standing start in 1st, the car judders as if it's about to stall. Any sort of city driving and the car is unbearable to drive. Renault have as much as acknowledged it's a dodgy part so they have been replacing under warranty, but they just keep replacing it with the same faulty part so it keeps re-occurring.

coolbeans

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Simple rule of thumb. RENAULT, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, stay well clear of them all. All French yokes are rubbish. VW, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Hyuandi, Skoda and pretty anything else that's not French are miles ahead.

While they all have their own individual problems, none are as bad as the French stuff. There's a reason why Renaults, Peugeots and Cirtoens are MUCH cheaper 2nd hand than anything else. It's because they are rubbish. I wouldn't buy one to save my life. pure crap.

God, where to start. You're pretty blinkered especially if you think the likes VW put the French to shame. In actual fact you are so wrong I would not know where to begin so I choose not to bother.

Ciarrai76

I've had my megane since 2007, it was 3 years old when I bought it and in the first 3 months I had so many problems with it that they extended my warranty by 6 months! The handbrake was one of the first things to go within weeks of buying it!
There were other minor things in the meantime. But in January, my breaks went! I was so lucky I wasn't going very fast, but it could have been very serious. The bolt had come loose or something and basically when I put the breaks on, it hit the road! I nearly had heart failure!
I am trying to sell the car privately at the moment, which is a disaster! I can't afford to trade in for another car, although I have been offered €4k trade in!
I actually like the megane to drive, but won't be going with a Renault again!

Leonard Hofstadter

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Simple rule of thumb. RENAULT, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, stay well clear of them all. All French yokes are rubbish. VW, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Hyuandi, Skoda and pretty anything else that's not French are miles ahead.

While they all have their own individual problems, none are as bad as the French stuff. There's a reason why Renaults, Peugeots and Cirtoens are MUCH cheaper 2nd hand than anything else. It's because they are rubbish. I wouldn't buy one to save my life. pure crap.

Actually, they're cheaper second hand because a lot of people are pure ignorant about cars.

I mean if a Toyota starts burning oil (very common on VVTis at high mileage) or the bearings in the gearbox go (also very common on some Toyotas) or a VW has an electronic parking brake that gets "stuck" (very common on the Passat) people will put it down to pure bad luck, but heaven help us if a Citroen or a Fiat developed the exact same fault - then it's a case of "typical French/Italian unreliability" or some other twaddle:rolleyes:.

Yes, there are indeed some French cars that are dire for reliability (most Renaults for example, but some are fine, like the Clio), but there are plenty of French cars that work perfectly well (Peugeot 207) and of course the French do good reliable diesels too.

There are German cars that are shockingly bad; like the current BMW petrols and most modern VWs, especially with the 1.4 non turbo petrol and 2.0 TDI PD engines. The Japs are not perfect either; Mazda have their simply dire 2.0 in house diesel, which can blow its bottom end bearings.

The bottom line is this; the stereotypes about reliability are just that these days - stereotypes.

There is a surprising variation between different models from the same make and even within a certain model, there are versions to buy and versions to avoid - I would take a Mazda 6 petrol all day long but I wouldn't take a diesel in a million years.

Lex Luthor

I caught an episode of fifth gear the other day and they said if you have a megane 2 then best of luck if you have to change the bulb in the head lamp. Took an experienced mechanic 45 min to do the job as front wheel had to come off. Bonkers :eek:

The_Wrecker

I drive a 2005 1.6 Laguna.
In six years, 4 new tyres, 2 batteries, 1 headlight and new wipers for the last NCT. Nothing else to report.
I had an Accent before, dog box!

Ciarrai76

I had a Peugot 206 before my megane and it was actually a great car! I never had problems with it, apart from the battery going once and water used to get into one of the back lights. But apart from that it was a great car & I loved it

Ciarrai76

I've had 2 new battery's in my Megane since I got it! the last one was just in Feb and before that it was June 2009! Seems a bit much for a car, but my husband thinks it might be that I don't have long journey's in it and its really only town driven, but I don't think that's the only reason...but who knows

tfitzgerald

I had a Renault laguna lovely car to drive very comfortable but a right piece of sh1t if a part of it could break it did , electric windows,lights,air con,central locking .the last straw was when the catalytic converter went and Renault wanted money to fix it even the car was less than 12 months old .I will never again drive a renault

pajo1981

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Simple rule of thumb. RENAULT, CITROEN, PEUGEOT, stay well clear of them all. All French yokes are rubbish. VW, Honda, Toyota, Ford, Nissan, Hyuandi, Skoda and pretty anything else that's not French are miles ahead.

While they all have their own individual problems, none are as bad as the French stuff. There's a reason why Renaults, Peugeots and Cirtoens are MUCH cheaper 2nd hand than anything else. It's because they are rubbish. I wouldn't buy one to save my life. pure crap.

Simple rules of thumb for simple people, eh?

BTW, you do know that there are PSA diesel engines in a lot of the Ford group stuff.

As for Renaalt, check out and any of the incident based reliability reports (not the opinion based fluff) and you'll see that post '08 Renault actually fare quite well.

unkel

captainspeed wrote: »

There are German cars that are shockingly bad; like the current BMW petrols

Are you having a laugh? The 6 pot is as strong and reliable as it ever was and the V8s have a relatively easy life so will last forever. The only problem any of these ever had was the unfortunate Nikasil issue when people fed their BMWs dirty petrol and that was sorted in the previous century

I don't know anything about the 4 cylinders though...

whiterebel

My auld fella has had Renaults since his first R18, and still drives a Megane to this day. I don't remember him having a serious problem with any of them. I had a 94 Laguna and only ever had a problem with the alarm which an auto electrician fixed in the end. We did buy a 99 Megane which had a serious problem with a circuit board in the ignition from brand new. I got rid of it after 10 months because renault didn't seem to have a fix for it.
A 99 passat TDi broke my friggin' heart and wallet.

dhaumi

captainspeed wrote: »

Actually, they're cheaper second hand because a lot of people are pure ignorant about cars.

I mean if a Toyota starts burning oil (very common on VVTis at high mileage) or the bearings in the gearbox go (also very common on some Toyotas) or a VW has an electronic parking brake that gets "stuck" (very common on the Passat) people will put it down to pure bad luck, but heaven help us if a Citroen or a Fiat developed the exact same fault - then it's a case of "typical French/Italian unreliability" or some other twaddle:rolleyes:.

Yes, there are indeed some French cars that are dire for reliability (most Renaults for example, but some are fine, like the Clio), but there are plenty of French cars that work perfectly well (Peugeot 207) and of course the French do good reliable diesels too.

There are German cars that are shockingly bad; like the current BMW petrols and most modern VWs, especially with the 1.4 non turbo petrol and 2.0 TDI PD engines. The Japs are not perfect either; Mazda have their simply dire 2.0 in house diesel, which can blow its bottom end bearings.

The bottom line is this; the stereotypes about reliability are just that these days - stereotypes.

There is a surprising variation between different models from the same make and even within a certain model, there are versions to buy and versions to avoid - I would take a Mazda 6 petrol all day long but I wouldn't take a diesel in a million years.

I usually stay out of those stereotype things, but I have to agree with this Captain Speed. People are SO biased when it comes to judging cars.

I would like to add something that might not please a lot of people, when it comes to owning a car, a lot depends on the driving style, the servicing and how good your mechanic is.

I'm happy enough with mine, he's the kind of mechanics who won't turn his eyes to the sky when you say "I've got a problem with my Alfa Romeo". He would not be biased to say "You should have bought a Focus".
Besides buying a second hand car from a dealer/ a private seller, is not always without risks.

I've got 2 cars, an Alfa Romeo and a Nissan Micra, even though I had some minor issues on the Alfa when I first bought it, the Micra is becoming more dire every year, and yet we do more mileage with the Alfa.

Get real people!

slimjimmc

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I caught an episode of fifth gear the other day and they said if you have a megane 2 then best of luck if you have to change the bulb in the head lamp. Took an experienced mechanic 45 min to do the job as front wheel had to come off. Bonkers :eek:

Bonkers alright. I'd agreed 100% with that. The fact that that gob***e 'mechanic' couldn't follow the pictures in the owner's manual which told him to pull off a plastic cover in the wheel arch liner, reach in, twist off the bulb cover, and remove the dud bulb is bonkers indeed. 10mins work and zero tools needed, but the truth don't make sensational TV :rolleyes: I take everything Fifth gear do now with a big pinch of salt after that feature.

eringobragh

slimjimmc wrote: »

Bonkers alright. I'd agreed 100% with that. The fact that that gob***e 'mechanic' couldn't follow the pictures in the owner's manual which told him to pull off a plastic cover in the wheel arch liner, reach in, twist off the bulb cover, and remove the dud bulb is bonkers indeed. 10mins work and zero tools needed, but the truth don't make sensational TV :rolleyes: I take everything Fifth gear do now with a big pinch of salt after that feature.

I'll second that, I've biggish hands, and it was tough, in the end had to get my mate to have a go at changing it (smaller hands) and he got it after a couple of attempts but all it involved was turning the wheel and removing the cover....the fusebox in the engine bay is another story, if it's a 2008 Megane and it's got cruise control it's extremely hard to change a headlight fuse! due to where the module is...NIGHTMARE

Irish Fire

eringobragh wrote: »

I'll second that, I've biggish hands, and it was tough, in the end had to get my mate to have a go at changing it (smaller hands) and he got it after a couple of attempts but all it involved was turning the wheel and removing the cover....the fusebox in the engine bay is another story, if it's a 2008 Megane and it's got cruise control it's extremely hard to change a headlight fuse! due to where the module is...NIGHTMARE

Had to change the parking light on a '08 santa fé for a friend last week, man what a bloody nightmare, even a small handed jap would have cried!!!

Guy:Incognito

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

There were other minor things in the meantime. But in January, my breaks went! I was so lucky I wasn't going very fast, but it could have been very serious. The bolt had come loose or something and basically when I put the breaks on, it hit the road! I nearly had heart failure!
!

I'd be looking at the last person to work on the brakes there. At 7 years old and a few pad changes I doubt a bolt that has been in place since new just came loose on its own.

dhaumi wrote: »

I usually stay out of those stereotype things, but I have to agree with this Captain Speed. People are SO biased when it comes to judging cars.

Theres been plenty of threads on here that begin "I have a Toyota/Ford (insert other uber reliable brand) and its been like a clock apart from (insert quite expensive fault) . But sure its perfect apart from that :rolleyes:

Mahuga

The Consumer show will be following this up on Tuesday I believe, more bad press unless Renault get a representative on the show.

Ciarrai76

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I'd be looking at the last person to work on the brakes there. At 7 years old and a few pad changes I doubt a bolt that has been in place since new just came loose on its own.

I had the break pads done in June 2009, in a different garage to where I bought it, and it was fine until Jan 2011! I had a minor accident in Jan, skidded on ice & damaged the back bumper, but apart from that car was fine, but a scraping noise appeared a few days after the crash. It was most noticeable when I would slow down. When I had the car in to be repaired from the accident I asked the garage to have a look at what the noise was (same garage I bought car from & was insurance company's preferred repairer).
They told me they fixed it, but it appeared again a few days after getting car back, and when I told the garage about it they then said they never heard the noise...so basically to them that was enough...they didn't 'fix' it! 2 days later, the bolt went & I had a lucky escape!! The garage took NO responsibility for it...eventhough they clearly didn't check the problem I asked them to check!
Its ok now, but I am actually nervous driving since then!

slimjimmc

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I'd be looking at the last person to work on the brakes there. At 7 years old and a few pad changes I doubt a bolt that has been in place since new just came loose on its own.

I had the break pads done in June 2009, in a different garage to where I bought it, and it was fine until Jan 2011! I had a minor accident in Jan, skidded on ice & damaged the back bumper, but apart from that car was fine, but a scraping noise appeared a few days after the crash. It was most noticeable when I would slow down. When I had the car in to be repaired from the accident I asked the garage to have a look at what the noise was (same garage I bought car from & was insurance company's preferred repairer).
They told me they fixed it, but it appeared again a few days after getting car back, and when I told the garage about it they then said they never heard the noise...so basically to them that was enough...they didn't 'fix' it! 2 days later, the bolt went & I had a lucky escape!! The garage took NO responsibility for it...eventhough they clearly didn't check the problem I asked them to check!
Its ok now, but I am actually nervous driving since then!

It was fine as far as you were aware, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an undetected cock-up from the previous brake change which the collision drew attention to.

So Guy:Incognito is correct then, it's most likely down to the crap garage/mechanic who last worked on the car. What was the specific problem anyway, loose calliper bolt?

Ciarrai76

slimjimmc wrote: »

It was fine as far as you were aware, but that doesn't mean there wasn't an undetected cock-up from the previous brake change which the collision drew attention to.

So Guy:Incognito is correct then, it's most likely down to the crap garage/mechanic who last worked on the car. What was the specific problem anyway, loose calliper bolt?

yeah, it was a loose calliper bolt. I can't really go back to a garage I was at 2 years ago now & accuse them of being negligent, can I? bit late now anyway as this happened in January! Won't be going back to them though, that's for sure!

Ciarrai76

Well, did anyone see tonight's show?? Seems like Renault will have a look at customers cars! If you bring it along to your local Renault garage, they will check it out....but I don't think that guarantees they will fix it. The word 'eligible' was also mentioned, so I'm now concerned my 2004 Megane won't be included!
I didn't buy my car from a Renault dealer, so not sure if I will get anywhere with them, or should I go to the garage I bought it from and ask them to contact Adams Renault garage in Tralee.

Damien360

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

Well, did anyone see tonight's show?? Seems like Renault will have a look at customers cars! If you bring it along to your local Renault garage, they will check it out....but I don't think that guarantees they will fix it. The word 'eligible' was also mentioned, so I'm now concerned my 2004 Megane won't be included!
I didn't buy my car from a Renault dealer, so not sure if I will get anywhere with them, or should I go to the garage I bought it from and ask them to contact Adams Renault garage in Tralee.

You have'nt a hope of getting a 7 year old car fixed for free.

Saw tonights show and one woman was saying they would'nt fix her car and it was under warranty. Lots of cars give trouble but the frequency of faults on the renault's is silly. I bought a one year old ex-demo scenic and lost a fortune on it within 2 years. Dealt with dealer in Naas and got to know the mechanics very well. I will never buy another renault. The responses the people on the show were getting does not suprise me at all. We managed to get the direct number of Bill Cullens brother (head of renault ireland distributor at the time). Still did'nt get my way.

Ciarrai76

Damien360 wrote: »

You have'nt a hope of getting a 7 year old car fixed for free.

Saw tonights show and one woman was saying they would'nt fix her car and it was under warranty. Lots of cars give trouble but the frequency of faults on the renault's is silly. I bought a one year old ex-demo scenic and lost a fortune on it within 2 years. Dealt with dealer in Naas and got to know the mechanics very well. I will never buy another renault. The responses the people on the show were getting does not suprise me at all. We managed to get the direct number of Bill Cullens brother (head of renault ireland distributor at the time). Still did'nt get my way.

I was on Renault Irelands facebook page, and posted a question about it. They said that if I bring it to my local Renault dealer, they will do a complimentary 25 point check! I know this is fair enough, but I know the 1 problem, the window! I doubt they will offer to fix it complimentary though! I will give it a go, what have I got to loose!

dubmando

Ciarrai76 wrote: »

I was on Renault Irelands facebook page, and posted a question about it. They said that if I bring it to my local Renault dealer, they will do a complimentary 25 point check! I know this is fair enough, but I know the 1 problem, the window! I doubt they will offer to fix it complimentary though! I will give it a go, what have I got to loose!

I have a 2007 cabriolet which I bought from Renault Liffey Valley, previous to this purchased Scenic, and Scenic purchased prior to that. So long standing customer ( not that it made one bit of difference) had the same problem with window which they fixed ( front passenger window) 16 months ago. The rear drivers window was sticking at that time which I reported when leaving car in with Renault for this repair. I got car back that afternoon with window fixed, and was told the rear drivers had had the same problem and this was also repaired. The mechanic explained this was a fault they were very familiar with.Happy I drove away, thinking myself fortunate to have bought Renault, and felt they accepted responsibility for the faults which were through their own manufacture. Unfortunately two weeks ago the sun was shining and the windows came down, the rear drivers window would not come back up. "Oh no" thought I, not again, got time off from work to return to Renault thinking they would again fix this fault which occured again through no fault of the customer. Unfortunately this time this was not the case. The mechanic came out to look, yes, he clarified this was the same problem, in order for him to secure the window there was a cost of 50euro. Only then could be tell me if it was the "motor" which costs ridiculous amounts of money to be repaired,both for the part and labour. Obviously I needed to have the window secured, but felt this was fundamentally wrong of Renault at every level to charge a cost of 50 euro to have this done. For them to say on this evenings show they would check customers cars, I would say, this may only apply to certain cars, customers, and are they saying they will repair the fault without charge? or just confirm what most customers have already deduced without any mechanical experience< -which is there is a fault, which came with the car!! Unsurprisingly the mechanic informed me (after 20 mins) and 50euro it was the motor, he did not think Renault would repair this with no cost attached, because I did not have all my services done at Renault (My brother in law who is a mechanic does all services on my car because of cost factors with Renault) this "could be a Renault fault" he concured. Needless to say I will not be buying any more Renaults,and will be buying any further cars from a different dealer.

Ciarrai76

got in touch with my local Renault dealership, who said they would assess the car, and see if it is eligible for this goodwill policy! I am dropping it in tomorrow morn, so fingers crossed they will sort it for me They were really helpful and said that they are hopeful it will be resolved!

UPDATE!!

I have had great news from Adams Renault garage in Tralee, they are fixing my window FREE OF CHARGE!! So pleased and delighted at how easy it was to deal with them. I will also be using them in future for servicing etc as a thank you

Leonard Hofstadter

unkel wrote: »

Are you having a laugh? The 6 pot is as strong and reliable as it ever was and the V8s have a relatively easy life so will last forever. The only problem any of these ever had was the unfortunate Nikasil issue when people fed their BMWs dirty petrol and that was sorted in the previous century

I don't know anything about the 4 cylinders though...

Ever since they started selling the Efficient Dyanmics four and six cylinder petrols (excluding the 3.0 straight six turbo) have been disasterously unreliable, they gave a massive amount of trouble with the coils and especially the injectors. There are 07 5 series with Efficient Dynamics out there that have had no less than 13 injectors replaced:eek:!

These engines are making the infamous turbo problems of the 320d or the Nikasil problems of the 90s seem like nothing by comparison.

JabbaTheHut

coolbeans wrote: »

God, where to start. You're pretty blinkered especially if you think the likes VW put the French to shame. In actual fact you are so wrong I would not know where to begin so I choose not to bother.

I have worked on these cars, and that's how I know how big a piece of crap they are. Not blinkered, but educated. Working on those things is an education. They do make a good diesel engine, but that's where it stops. VW's are a better built car. I didn't say they were absolutely perfect, just way better that anything French. As is most of the other manufacturers are.

If you think ANY French thing is up there with, say, a Honda, then you're the one who's blinkered