My idea to stop drivers speeding

120_Minutes

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

Mena

I'll have great fun doing 120 in a 50 zone so.

OutlawPete

/patents OP's idea

Where To

What if you're being chased by monsters?

Rented Mule

Like anyone in Ireland has anything in their bank account.

Sykk

No

120_Minutes

Mena wrote: »

I'll have great fun doing 120 in a 50 zone so.

Well you could go further, and link in the inboard gps, which knows the road the car is on, it's speed limit and adjusts accordingly. I just used 120 as an arbitrary figure. My sister drives a golf and it beeps when 120 is exceeded which planted the idea in my head.

Offy

120_Minutes wrote: »

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

Epic fail OP

orourkeda

120_Minutes wrote: »

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

Car theft anyone?

orourkeda

Rented Mule wrote: »

Like anyone in Ireland has anything in their bank account.

Less on their driving licence

Saila

Mena wrote: »

I'll have great fun doing 120 in a 50 zone so.

eew

Hazys

It isn't the speeding that kills people...its the suddenly stopping that does.





We should fine people for suddenly stopping.

The Rook

orourkeda wrote: »

Car theft anyone?

Did you read about the fingerprint part of the idea?


It's a good idea alright, one which I'd say will come in at some stage in our future (or a refined shiny version of it anyway).

mattjack

120_Minutes wrote: »

Well you could go further, and link in the inboard gps, which knows the road the car is on, it's speed limit and adjusts accordingly. I just used 120 as an arbitrary figure. My sister drives a golf and it beeps when 120 is exceeded which planted the idea in my head.

those damn golfs...

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Offy wrote: »

Epic fail OP

And why is that? It's not beyond the realms of possibility, we have cars parking themselves now for chrissakes

orourkeda wrote: »

Car theft anyone?

Perhaps the same procedures employed for credit card theft or mobile phone theft could be employed here.

I'm vaguely familiar with the onstar service in the states, how does that work?

Saila

Hazys wrote: »

It isn't the speeding that kills people...its the suddenly stopping that does.





We should fine people for suddenly stopping.

so maybe we should put in a network of walls under the roads which spring up and when the cars installed gps/speed reader tells the control center the driver is speeding a wall pops up infront of the car and BAM problem solved

orourkeda

The Rook wrote: »

Did you read about the fingerprint part of the idea?


It's a good idea alright, one which I'd say will come in at some stage in our future (or a refined shiny version of it anyway).

I did. It seems overly complicated and unnecessary. Still anything is better than relying on the irish driver to obey the rules of the road.

landsleaving

Why not just have something in the car that limits speed to whatever it should be on that road? GPS could be used as you suggest.

TheZohanS

120_Minutes wrote: »

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

He's back!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiIsIE8iT28

Offy

120_Minutes wrote: »

And why is that? It's not beyond the realms of possibility, we have cars parking themselves now for chrissakes

Have you seen the links to these cars?

2qk4u

120_Minutes wrote: »

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

1 my bank account is empty
2 my car has no on board computer
3 my car wont do 120 kph going down hill with a good wind behind it
4 every time it happens nothing will happen im broke
5 zzzzzzzzz
6 government get enough profit

I dont even have electric windows and you think a fingerprint scanner will be fitted to my car ?

dilallio

They already tried something similar a while back.
It didn't work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXlXcMcZ87w

120_Minutes

2qk4u wrote: »

1 my bank account is empty
2 my car has no on board computer
3 my car wont do 120 kph going down hill with a good wind behind it
4 every time it happens nothing will happen im broke
5 zzzzzzzzz
6 government get enough profit

I dont even have electric windows and you think a fingerprint scanner will be fitted to my car ?

Well duh, I'm not talking about retrofitting, I'm talking about cars in the near future having as a feature. I thought that much was obvious, but this is after hours I suppose.

Oh and hey zohan, feel free to use that pat kenny mentalist clip when I start a thread deserving of it, kthanks?

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Offy wrote: »

Have you seen the links to these cars?

Are you seriously asking me for proof?

Cookie_Monster

I've a better idea, simply raise the speed limits.

Ali Babba

Why not just ban all motorised traffic altogether OP? Someday maybe, when you grow up, and even get a car, you might realise how difficult this would be to implement.

TheZohanS

120_Minutes wrote: »

Oh and hey zohan, feel free to use that pat kenny mentalist clip when I start a thread deserving of it, kthanks?

THE enraged man who disrupted the Late Late Show on Friday night is obsessed with road safety. He was incensed at not being given airtime to present his hardline theories that include mounting garda checkpoints outside every pub at closing time.
He was named by garda sources as Paul Stokes, from Monkstown in south Dublin, and it is understood that he has bombarded RTE for several months with more than 150 emails.

He is trying to gain publicity for the "black box" technology he has invented. He claims this would eliminate all accidents and wanted to "sell" the idea for €5m

Source.

ShooterSF

120_Minutes wrote: »

Well duh, I'm not talking about retrofitting, I'm talking about cars in the near future having as a feature. I thought that much was obvious, but this is after hours I suppose.

Oh and hey zohan, feel free to use that pat kenny mentalist clip when I start a thread deserving of it, kthanks?

Which means I will keep driving older cars.

Also how does the technology connect to banks? Is the state going to have to rent one of the mobile companies mobile internet infrastructure?

landsleaving

Ali Babba wrote: »

Why not just ban all motorised traffic altogether OP? Someday maybe, when you grow up, and even get a car, you might realise how difficult this would be to implement.

It worked quite well in the Flintstones.

everyday taxi

120_Minutes wrote: »

Was discussing speeding drivers the other night and hit upon this idea that could be employed in the future, if the technology for it doesn't exist yet (it should be already)

It's similar to the breathalyser immobiliser in theory.

1 your licence is linked to your bank account.
2 your cars on board computer is linked to your licence
3 your car records every time you exceed 120 kph
4 every time that happens your account is debited, perhaps a certain amount per kph exceeded.
5 ???????
6 government profit!!!

For single car households a fingerprint scanner ( whoa there run to da hills) could be used when the driver sets off and their account could be debited accordingly

computerised communism ya mean, go play with them speeding motors you tit.

120_Minutes

Ali Babba wrote: »

Why not just ban all motorised traffic altogether OP? Someday maybe, when you grow up, and even get a car, you might realise how difficult this would be to implement.

Fail sir, I've been an adult and a driver for quite a few years now.

Care to explain the difficulty? Mobile technology and automotive technology are on a path to convergence, now I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but you seem to know a bit... The floor is yours...

Knasher

Rather than paying fines, the data should be used to calculate a drivers risk and their insurance premiums based off that. In addition to speed we could also calculate if the user is allowing a safe stopping distance (i.e. having to make a lot of sudden stops) as well as swerving all over the roads.

It would also be nice to have more accurate measurements on what a safe road speed is, which could be easily generated from the collected data, rather than having people effectively flying around corners and crawling on straights, we could have it set up so a dangerous stretch is marked on the onboard GPS along with a recommended max speed.

landsleaving

everyday taxi wrote: »

computerised communism ya mean, go play with them speeding motors you tit.

Good argument there, well put.

Ali Babba

120_Minutes wrote: »

Fail sir, I've been an adult and a driver for quite a few years now.

Care to explain the difficulty? Mobile technology and automotive technology are on a path to convergence, now I'm not claiming to be an expert on this but you seem to know a bit... The floor is yours...

Maybe you might start acting like one and grow up! We're being bled dry with taxes as it is ffs. Maybe in an ideal world, which this most certainly isn't! It might be worth considering but in reality it's ludicrous.

slavetothegrind

so i get charged for safely overtaking mrs daisy?

no, a rethink is in order, i do like some civil liberty and the government tracking my every mile infringes on that somewhat.

Saila

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I've a better idea, simply raise the speed limits.

yeah raise them to 500km/hr
problem solved and more fun that way too, everyone wins!

cosanostra

Google's already a few steps ahead of you with there self driving cars
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2370518,00.asp

landsleaving

Ali Babba wrote: »

Maybe you might start acting like one and grow up! We're being bled dry with taxes as it is ffs. Maybe in an ideal world, which this most certainly isn't! It might be worth considering but in reality it's ludicrous.

You won't be fined if you don't speed, so I fail to see how taxes are in any way relevant to the conversation.

Ali Babba

landsleaving wrote: »

You won't be fined if you don't speed, so I fail to see how taxes are in any way relevant to the conversation.

Just try implementing it in a real world situation? Where you ever in a hurry in your life and exceeded the speed limit? Were you ever late returning a DVD? We're all human and make mistakes and I don't know of anyone who's perfect and has never broken any rule or regulation. That said I really don't want to live in a place where my every move is monitored and penalised if I go off the rails even if I made a genuine error. Good luck with it though and if ye're as concerned about it maybe ye should volunteer to be guinea pigs and ye can let us know how ye get on with it.

120_Minutes

TheZohan wrote: »

Source.

Well I'll be, that's the reason he did that? Never knew, but then I don't watch rte

Ali Babba wrote: »

Maybe you might start acting like one and grow up! We're being bled dry with taxes as it is ffs. Maybe in an ideal world, which this most certainly isn't! It might be worth considering but in reality it's ludicrous.

Hmm says the person when given a chance to rebut like an adult resorts to that? Ironyyyyyyyy....

Ali Babba

120_Minutes wrote: »

Hmm says the person when given a chance to rebut like an adult resorts to that? Ironyyyyyyyy....

Well it's just another ludicrous idea that would probably be implemented in this nanny state of a country if it is seen as another money maker along with all the other rip-offs in this place. Why not put your brain to some constructive use like job creation or something? I for one am sick to death of being nannied and told what to do and what not to do as this country goes down the toilet.

Leiva

Bertie Ahern is fooked !

CrazyRabbit

All this focus on 'speed kills!'...pft.

For the most part, it wouldn't matter if drivers just paid attention to what they were doing and what was going on around them. Most accidents are caused by lack of attention & lack of awareness.

High speed rarely causes accidents, it just increases the likelihood of fatalities or serious injury.

And if they raised the speed limits so that they were reasonable & applied them correctly to the various roads, then I'd be happy to follow them.

Big Nasty

Ali Babba wrote: »

Where you ever in a hurry in your life and exceeded the speed limit? Were you ever late returning a DVD?

Don't be ridculous Ali - nobody rents DVD's anymore!:p

120_Minutes

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

All this focus on 'speed kills!'...pft.

For the most part, it wouldn't matter if drivers just paid attention to what they were doing and what was going on around them. Most accidents are caused by lack of attention & lack of awareness.

High speed rarely causes accidents, it just increases the likelihood of fatalities or serious injury.

And if they raised the speed limits so that they were reasonable & applied them correctly to the various roads, then I'd be happy to follow them.

I witnessed an accident recently, thankfully no one was seriously injured. A blowout at approx 130 kmh, I know this as she had just overtaken us and we were at the speed limit. Now I know the speed was not the cause, but it was most certainly a factor.

Eh wrong forum OP.. Think this one belongs in "sleeping and dreaming".

120_Minutes

Lol I love how everyone thinks I'm for it, and advocating it. My original point is that it could be possible.

johnmcdnl

you do know that the majority of all accidents and such aren't caused on the motorways....

it's the lads doing 79kmph on the back lanes of the country which is within the speed limit as well except the speed limit should really be at 10kmph

nice idea i suppose but the lads speeding on the motorways are the least of the country's problems

as well as that this is Ireland so it'd take 19 years and 434% of the intital budget to actually manage to implement it...

and finally - not everyone has a bank account

120_Minutes

johnmcdnl wrote: »

you do know that the majority of all accidents and such aren't caused on the motorways....

Yep, and I'm surprised there aren't more. What with people not knowing, or bothering how to use them correctly.

Big Nasty

120_Minutes wrote: »

I witnessed an accident recently, thankfully no one was seriously injured. A blowout at approx 130 kmh, I know this as she had just overtaken us and we were at the speed limit. Now I know the speed was not the cause, but it was most certainly a factor.

Guessing that it was a 120 zone what difference would 10km/h make?

Actually, give this over to motors and it will become a fun thread!

Thatnastyboy

It could be possible:

Yes it could be, doesnt mean it would ever work though.

I dont have a bank account, only a credit union one, and im not giving my number to some govt. agency (or who ever would be in charge ) for them to play with,

How to you prove the accuracy of such a device? how often would they need to be calibrated? if i put 18inch wheels on my car (13inch standard) that would throw off my speedo and this device, meaning i could speed away and not get fined.

Ask axa why they stopped using their transponders, im sure you'll find out why this wont work.

We're not in the age of demolition man yet, we dont wipe our bums with 3 sea-shells and the world is not super amazing and perfect.

Not personal op