Death of Osama Bin Laden

homer911

I notice that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York at the time of 9/11 has expressed his unease at the sight of New Yorkers and others celebrating at the news of the death of Bin Laden - and I think he is right

"Do not gloat when your enemies fall; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice, or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from them.” (Proverbs 24:17-18 TNIV)

"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord." (Romans 12:19 TNIV)

Thoughts anyone? Celebration or Relief? Vengence or Justice?

Donatello

homer911 wrote: »

I notice that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York at the time of 9/11 has expressed his unease at the sight of New Yorkers and others celebrating at the news of the death of Bin Laden - and I think he is right

"Do not gloat when your enemies fall; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice, or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from them.” (Proverbs 24:17-18 TNIV)

"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord." (Romans 12:19 TNIV)

Thoughts anyone? Celebration or Relief? Vengence or Justice?

I wasn't impressed with the celebrations on the streets in America. The only thing that was missing was the burning and trampling of flags.

We should not rejoice at the death of the sinner.

We ought to offer a prayer for the sinner.

I was personally a bit disappointed at the news of his death. I understand the circumstances did not allow it, but I'd rather have seen the man put on trial and then put in prison. I also wonder will an Elvis-like myth develop, given the highly secretive way the body was 'dropped in the ocean'.

EDIT: There was newspaper trampling - check picture 4 of 83 here.

Slav

The only thing it remained me of was the crowd celebrating 9/11 somewhere on the streets of Gaza. I see no difference really.

Killing Bin Laden or any other terrorist can be justifiable but celebrating a human death is not. No matter how good or bad, a human always remains an icon of God. Celebrating someone's death is the opposite of love Christ showed to the world. That's a disgrace for a country known to be mostly Christian but I'm glad there are people in the States who feel it's wrong.

Also, remembering whose creature was Bin Laden in the first place the celebrations look silly. Soviets are not in Afghanistan anymore so now a wise rabbi kills his golem who went out of control and publicly celebrates it. Not only a disgrace but also a bad farce.

Fanny Cradock

I was just thinking about this. Perhaps there is a distinction to be made between the celebration of justice and what appears to be a nationalistic fervour. Is it a Christian response to revel in the death of an enemy, however despicable he may have been?

TravelJunkie

However much I sympathise with people who had families who died in 911, I still think it was in really poor taste to celebrate this death. I couldn't believe people took to the streets.

If people had felt a need to gather, they should have put flowers down at ground zero or had a moment of silence, not a new year party on times square.

Fanny Cradock

Without any intentions of dragging this off topic, it is interesting to note that the conspiracy theories begun no sooner than Obama had stepped away from the mic.

Donatello

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMP7Ys57ha4

Fanny Cradock

It was interesting to read Vinoth Ramachandra's thoughts after a recent talking tour of US campuses.

"I kept raising the matter, wherever I could, of why alleged war crimes and acts of torture by Americans are not investigated by the Justice Department, while the US postures on the global stage as the great champion of human rights. I came up against a stony silence."

I think that in the US nationalism drives many things, including religious perspectives on issues like justice. A contributor to Patrol magazine had an interesting insight on the religious phenomenon he calls "God Bless America". The same contributor also posted this interesting article on the death of Bin Laden.

Keylem

Bin Laden maybe dead, but Al-Queida certianly isn't. It will be interesting to see if there is a backlash from this. Amercians acting like they did certainly doesn't help.

Fittle

I am glad I found this thread. I have felt very uncomfortable at the celebrations going on over the death of this man, but it's hard to admit that in public when all around me are hoping he "burns in hell".

Whatever our beliefs, and we all know how incredibly evil this man was, to celebrate his death in the way they have on the streets of america...well...I don't know what to say....other than I have switched off a few tv channels when I saw it.

Donatello

Fittle wrote: »

I am glad I found this thread. I have felt very uncomfortable at the celebrations going on over the death of this man, but it's hard to admit that in public when all around me are hoping he "burns in hell".

Whatever our beliefs, and we all know how incredibly evil this man was, to celebrate his death in the way they have on the streets of america...well...I don't know what to say....other than I have switched off a few tv channels when I saw it.

When we wish another soul into hell, we are condemning ourselves.

It would have been gracious of the Americans to quietly acknowledge the death of the man, but by dancing in the street, they incite hatred in their enemies, who will avenge the killing all the more so for the triumphalism.

gbee

It's scary the similarities, the Jesus story and all that. Impressive the amount of people who believe in anything these days without any real proof.

It's sad too, TBH, sad and dangerous.

PDN

I'm glad the guy is dead, but the celebrations were ugly and demeaning to America.

Not only were they reminiscient of the Palestinian celebrations of 9/11, but also of the Sun's notorious 'Gotcha' headline after the torpedoing of the General Belgrano in the Falklands/Malvinas conflict:



I also found it a bit pathetic to see a bunch of drunk College kids essentially saying, "Yeah! We're the greatest nation on earth because, after spending billions of dollars and employing the most sophisticated technology known to man, it took us 10 years to kill one guy!"

Kylo Ren

"I mourn the loss of a thousand precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy" - Martin Luther King, Jr

Noo

Keno 92 wrote: »

"I mourn the loss of a thousand precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy" - Martin Luther King, Jr

Ooh snap, i was gonna say that.

"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that."

Apparently its not even a MLK quote, doesnt matter who came up with it its very true, i'm feeling very uneasy by americans celebrating this that i cant even explain it in words.

For trivia fans heres the quotes it came from:

"I’m concerned about a better world. I’m concerned about justice; I’m concerned about brotherhood; I’m concerned about truth. And when one is concerned about that, he can never advocate violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can’t murder murder. Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can’t establish truth. Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can’t murder hate through violence. Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that"

and
"Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction. […] The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation."

Noo

PDN wrote: »

I also found it a bit pathetic to see a bunch of drunk College kids essentially saying, "Yeah! We're the greatest nation on earth because, after spending billions of dollars and employing the most sophisticated technology known to man, it took us 10 years to kill one guy!"

...in his house

Benny_Cake

I'd very much doubt that any of those celebrating were 9/11 victims family members. Maybe it had to end like this, maybe the world is a little safer, but I can't help but feel sad for the pointless waste of human life he was responsible for,both by his own hand and as a result of the reaction to 9/11...in the end he wasted his own life in giving it over to hate and that is a tragedy too.Very little to celebrate here,there is a good post from Brian McLaren here:

http://brianmclaren.net/archives/blog/on-waking-up-to-todays-news.html

Onesimus

Some mothers son in who she smiled with joy at his birth and played with him. Sat him up and told him stories at night and took him to the park to play with his friends. Then, as he grew older, he was manipulated by the culture around him and deceived by Satan.

Praying for his soul. he was to blame for the loss of so many souls but the Americans are also to blame for the loss of so many souls too in their search for one man. Yet America always has to come out on top dont they? and look like the saviours of the world dont they? didnt hear Barack obama apologise for all the innocent souls that his soldiers killed in the war. Shame. Both sides need to find the Gospel and get living it.

Onesimus

Soul Winner

I wish the yanks would start taking out the folks who really have this world in the state its in. Oil Tycoons, Fraudulent Bankers, Corrupt Politicians, and so on and so on. Osama Bin Laden is only in the ha'penny place.

antiskeptic

homer911 wrote: »

I notice that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York at the time of 9/11 has expressed his unease at the sight of New Yorkers and others celebrating at the news of the death of Bin Laden - and I think he is right

"Do not gloat when your enemies fall; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice, or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from them.” (Proverbs 24:17-18 TNIV)

"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord." (Romans 12:19 TNIV)

Thoughts anyone? Celebration or Relief? Vengence or Justice?

I don't know if the missions intent was assassination (with missile strike eshewed in favour of something that would provide proof (for the American audience especially) of his death) - but I suspect it was.

In which case I'd be disturbed that a state would openly flout the rule of law (which holds a person innocent until proven guilty before a jury of his peers and which takes extenuating circumstances into account before passing sentence).

That said, America is a state that has been flouting the rule of law in ill-disguised fashion for so long it'd be no surprise that they'd openly admit it in this case.

Donatello

Soul Winner wrote: »

I wish the yanks would start taking out the folks who really have this world in the state its in. Oil Tycoons, Fraudulent Bankers, Corrupt Politicians, and so on and so on. Osama Bin Laden is only in the ha'penny place.

As long as America terrorises the unborn in the womb, they aren't in a position to be pointing the finger at anyone else.

antiskeptic wrote: »

I don't know if the missions intent was assassination (with missile strike eshewed in favour of something that would provide proof (for the American audience especially) of his death) - but I suspect it was.

In which case I'd be disturbed that a state would openly flout the rule of law (which holds a person innocent until proven guilty before a jury of his peers and which takes extenuating circumstances into account before passing sentence).

That said, America is a state that has been flouting the rule of law in ill-disguised fashion for so long it'd be no surprise that they'd openly admit it in this case.

The intention of the op was to kill Mr Bin Laden.

Baggio1

i dunno,
felt veryyy uncomfortable watching those fools dancing and singing in the streets after this incident. Of course Obama's popularity is saved when it was really on the floor, so thats one angle to it, also all the hiding of evidence , buried at sea,, ahh he shot unarmed,, if he were captured was he gona spill the beans on the USA ops in the whole region after all he and his operation were CIA created..... so i duno,, its just wrong to cheer a persons death, is he any more evil than Obama's absolute support for the killing of the unborn? (different subject i know,, ) i dunno it all stinks of cynical manipulation for me,, that doesnt mean bin laden was a kitty kat,,, i just wonder these days who are the REAL enemies for our lifestyle and morals?
And what about Gaddaffi's family being attacked in Libya?? people need to wake up and see whats going on here,,, pakistan is now veryyy nervous about now becoming a target for the west... if that happens then China will be dragged in... this whole situation is getting veryy dangerous..... strap yourselves in people its going to get rough am convinced of it.

Soul Winner

Baggio1 wrote: »

..this whole situation is getting veryy dangerous..... strap yourselves in people its going to get rough am convinced of it.

"And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days." Mark 13:19-21

Soul Winner

Donatello wrote: »

As long as America terrorises the unborn in the womb, they aren't in a position to be pointing the finger at anyone else.

Like the way that the Roman Catholic Church are in no position to preach to anyone else about morals? I agree.

PDN

Soul Winner wrote: »

Like the way that the Roman Catholic Church are in no position to preach to anyone else about morals? I agree.

Moderating Instruction.
Let's not have this thread get derailed like so many others into a Protestant versus Catholic thing - or indeed, yet another abortion thread. Off topic posts will be deleted.

Now, back to Osama.

I did hear that the events on Sunday were sparked off by Arsenal's 1-0 win over Manchester United. Osama ran outside shouting, "Come on the Gunners! .... Ooops!"

conscious

obama's approval rating was very low recently, will this rating go up after bin laden's death?

Hopefully americans will look beyond his commander in chief role, and continue to judge him on his horrible foreign policy!

jimbob86

homer911 wrote: »

I notice that Rudy Giuliani, Mayor of New York at the time of 9/11 has expressed his unease at the sight of New Yorkers and others celebrating at the news of the death of Bin Laden - and I think he is right

"Do not gloat when your enemies fall; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice, or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from them.” (Proverbs 24:17-18 TNIV)

"Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord." (Romans 12:19 TNIV)

Thoughts anyone? Celebration or Relief? Vengence or Justice?

Yea i have to agree,wasnt 1 bit surprised to see the yanks celebrating though.Was the same when they hung sadam,there was people laughing and jeering at him as he was hanged.

This is only going to make the payback from al qeada even worse i think.

Donatello

jimbob86 wrote: »

Yea i have to agree,wasnt 1 bit surprised to see the yanks celebrating though.Was the same when they hung sadam,there was people laughing and jeering at him as he was hanged.

This is only going to make the payback from al qeada even worse i think.

I experienced feelings of disappointment when Saddam was found and then killed. I think with Bin laden, it was kind of like Wally had been found. YOU'RE NOT MEANT TO FIND HIM! I didn't think they ever would find him. And you're not meant to kill him when you find him. Put him on trial.

Nollog

It's silly how Americans think this means anything.
You can't kill the ideology that "America is evil".

everyday taxi

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's silly how Americans think this means anything.
You can't kill the ideology that "America is evil".

technically you could, but thats alot of killing.

dead one

PDN wrote: »

I did hear that the events on Sunday were sparked off by Arsenal's 1-0 win over Manchester United. Osama ran outside shouting, "Come on the Gunners! .... Ooops!"

Afghanistan is graveyard of civilizations and souls of many powers are resting here. American have seen their future in Afghanistan. So they have created a game by killing Osama bin Laden in order to leave Afghanistan. But they aren't even smart, The gaze of a Knower is no Game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dri09dM348

homer911

Donatello wrote: »

The intention of the op was to kill Mr Bin Laden.

As the OP, I can categorically deny that my mission was to kill Osama Bin Laden

Central Sopron

bye bye laden

Keylem

(Reuters) - Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden will have to answer to God for having killed many people and exploiting religion to spread hate, the Vatican said on Monday.

Spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said that while Christians "do not rejoice" over a death, it serves to remind them of "each person's responsibility before God and men."

"Osama bin Laden, as everyone knows, had the grave responsibility of having spread division and hate among people, causing the deaths of an innumerable number of people and exploiting religion for these purposes," he said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-vatican-idUSTRE74121M20110502?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reuters%2FtopNews+%28News+%2F+US+%2F+Top+News%29&utm_content=Google+Reader


Osama Bin Laden is now being hailed as a martyr. Khartoum Rally chanting "Death to America!" and "Mohammed's army will return."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gNrfZc2nFmQd0FTTqcFdQKIb6_Hw?docId=CNG.a3f8092c66918f0cedb929502b657e94.391

Like a previous poster said, tighten those belts!

Festus

PDN wrote: »

I'm glad the guy is dead, ...

How can a Christian be glad someone is dead, especially if they have not been given a chance to repent of their sins before going to meet God?

I would be glad if he had been arrested, tried, convicted and, as this would most likely be in America, executed.
That way he would have had every chance to express remorse and maybe, but this is a long shot, converted to Christianity, been baptized, made a good confession, gone to Mass and received Holy Communion, before being executed.

If not executed then left in jail to contemplate his future meeting with God.

PDN wrote: »

...but the celebrations were ugly and demeaning to America.

that I can agree on.

However it is worth minding that there is a problem with the actions of Obama in that they have made Bin Laden a martyr to like minded Muslims and the blood of their retributions, whatever they may be, will be on Obama's hands.

Is there a difference between Obama and Bin Laden? Not any more. Both capable of issuing instructions to have people killed in cold blood makes Obama worse as he is supposed to be a leader, not a follower.

Obama had the option to exercise restraint and have Bin Laden captured. He chose votes and self agrandisment instead.

Morbert

Let's not be too harsh. I don't think Americans were specifically celebrating his death. If he had been captured instead of killed, I would imagine they'd still be celebrating.

Festus

Morbert wrote: »

Let's not be too harsh. I don't think Americans were specifically celebrating his death. If he had been captured instead of killed, I would imagine they'd still be celebrating.

Time Magazine

? you were saying :rolleyes:

Morbert

Festus wrote: »

Time Magazine

? you were saying :rolleyes:

I was saying it's not specifically his death that they're celebrating. If he had been captured instead of killed, I would imagine they'd still be celebrating.

Do you believe that, if he was captured instead of killed, they would not be celebrating? That there would be no Times album titled "Celebrating the capture of Osama bin Laden."?

Fanny Cradock

I don't think we need to posit hypothetical scenarios when it is clear that some people are clearly revealing in the death of Bin Laden. Even if the Americans decided to capture and keep him alive, I think that his execution would have been the inevitable outcome of any trial. So while a protracted trial may have jaded the spontaneous nationalism of "USA!" chanting college jocks, it seems reasonable to conclude that there would always be more than a few celebrating Bin Laden's death.

Morbert

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

I don't think we need to posit hypothetical scenarios when it is clear that some people are clearly revealing in the death of Bin Laden. Even if the Americans decided to capture and keep him alive, I think that his execution would have been the inevitable outcome of any trial. So while a protracted trial may have jaded the spontaneous nationalism of "USA!" chanting college jocks, it seems reasonable to conclude that there would always be more than a few celebrating Bin Laden's death.

We do need to posit hypothetical scenarios it seems. Whatever sobriety his death might bring is insignificant compared to the jubilation brought by the end of the architect of 9/11. The celebrations on the streets are no surprise, and are entirely appropriate. There may be some specifically celebrating his death, but the vast majority are simply reveling in the end of Osama, and would still be celebrating even if he was brought to an end by being captured.

hinault

According to the revised reports, Osama Bin Laden was not armed and provided no resistance with weapons when he was attacked and killed.
Therefore the killing of a defenceless man is inexcusable.

Bin Laden should have been arrested, charged and tried for any crimes that he committed.
This is what makes "us" different to "them" : we're supposed to operate by rules, to a higher and more equitable standard.
Instead in this case, it appears that "we" used "their" tactics and resorted to disregarding the law.

As for the reaction of some Americans? Revenge and retribution is the message of other systems of belief, in my view.
A society that proclaims itself to be Christian would not rejoice at acts of revenge/retribution.
An "eye for an eye" has no place in any Christian society in my opinion.

Fanny Cradock

Morbert wrote: »

The celebrations on the streets are no surprise, and are entirely appropriate.

Well, the whole point of this thread is to ask if is it appropriate from a Christina perspective.

Morbert wrote: »

There may be some specifically celebrating his death, but the vast majority are simply reveling in the end of Osama, and would still be celebrating even if he was brought to an end by being captured.

Incidentally, if people are "revelling in the end of Osama" that implies that they are revelling in his death. What they might or might not do in a different scenario is sort of besides the point I would have thought.

JohnMc1

/\/ollog wrote: »

It's silly how Americans think this means anything.
You can't kill the ideology that "America is evil".

Agreed. While we succeeded in ridding the World of one terrorist we still have a Culture that is Muslim extremism that wants nothing more than to kill us all [Not just us Americans but Europeans as well] and appeasement will get us nowhere with them.

Morbert

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Incidentally, if people are "revelling in the end of Osama" that implies that they are revelling in his death. What they might or might not do in a different scenario is sort of besides the point I would have thought.

It's not beside the point at all. By "end" I meant demise. The fact that his demise was achieved by death is incidental. There is an important qualitative difference between celebrating Osama's demise, which happened to be a death, and celebrating the fact that a man is no longer breathing. Americans are celebrating the former.

/\/ollog wrote:

It's silly how Americans think this means anything.
You can't kill the ideology that "America is evil".

There is a good argument to be made that the ideology was withering away even before his death. An interview by Robert Fisk on the defeat of al-Qaeda by the Arab Awakening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTZPjB4WHQs

hinault

Morbert wrote: »

It's not beside the point at all. By "end" I meant demise. The fact that his demise was achieved by death is incidental. There is an important qualitative difference between celebrating Osama's demise, which happened to be a death, and celebrating the fact that a man is no longer breathing. Americans are celebrating the former.

Baloney.

The TV footage which I have seen had Americans constantly referring to "revenge for 9/11".
Complete disregard for the uphold of law when the attack on Bin Laden took place, I might add.

It is clear that revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration.
Shameful.

Morbert

hinault wrote: »

Baloney.

The TV footage which I have seen had Americans constantly referring to "revenge for 9/11".
Complete disregard for the uphold of law when the attack on Bin Laden took place, I might add.

It is clear that revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration.
Shameful.

None of the above is true, except for perhaps the sentence in bold (though I can't find it on youtube and am interested to see your source). But there is no reason to believe that therefore "revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration".

hinault

Morbert wrote: »

None of the above is true, except for perhaps the sentence in bold (though I can't find it on youtube and am interested to see your source). But there is no reason to believe that therefore "revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration".

More baloney.

I watched media coverage from Channel 4 (Britain), France 24 (France), SKY (Britain), Russia TV (Russia), RTE (Ireland) and BBC (Britain).
Each broadcaster transmitted footage of various US citizens talking about OBL's murder as being "revenge for 9/11".

the fact that a country and it's citizens which claims to support the rule of law - and a nominally "christian" country too - would put revenge and retribution over the due process of law, is shameful.

The due process of law and the upholding of higher standards and legal accountability is what is supposed to mark the difference between democracies and terrorists.
Every person regardless of their crimes is entitled to due process.

Colpriz

Morbert wrote: »

None of the above is true, except for perhaps the sentence in bold (though I can't find it on youtube and am interested to see your source). But there is no reason to believe that therefore "revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration".

Non other than murder…simple as that

Unarmed man surrounded by his family , regardless of what he perpetrated
America is the same as any other day terrorist to walk into your home and shoot you dead without trial

Morbert

hinault wrote: »

More baloney.

I watched media coverage from Channel 4 (Britain), France 24 (France), SKY (Britain), Russia TV (Russia), RTE (Ireland) and BBC (Britain).
Each broadcaster transmitted footage of various US citizens talking about OBL's murder as being "revenge for 9/11".

the fact that a country and it's citizens which claims to support the rule of law - and a nominally "christian" country too - would put revenge and retribution over the due process of law, is shameful.

I have watched media coverage too and I have not seen this. Furthermore, I said that, even if there are a few that explicitly state they wanted revenge, this does not mean that therefore "revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration". This is a remarkably simple point and you're ignoring it.

The due process of law and the upholding of higher standards and legal accountability is what is supposed to mark the difference between democracies and terrorists.
Every person regardless of their crimes is entitled to due process.

As I said before: Whatever sobriety his death might bring is insignificant compared to the jubilation brought by the end of the architect of 9/11. Sure, it is regrettable that there was no due process whether or not this was Osama's or the SEALs' fault, but why would that stop people celebrating his demise?

Morbert

Colpriz wrote: »

Non other than murder…simple as that

Unarmed man surrounded by his family , regardless of what he perpetrated
America is the same as any other day terrorist to walk into your home and shoot you dead without trial

Please explicitly back up your claim that he was murdered.

hinault

Morbert wrote: »

I have watched media coverage too and I have not seen this. Furthermore, I said that, even if there are a few that explicitly state they wanted revenge, this does not mean that therefore "revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebration". This is a remarkably simple point and you're ignoring it.

As listed earlier a number of news channels in this part of the world carried TV footage showing US citizens celebrating the death of OBL and shouting statements such as "revenge for 9/11"
It is therefore entirely logical, based on the statements made by the US citizens concerned, to suggest that revenge and retribution are the basis for American celebrations.

Are you American?

Morbert wrote: »

As I said before: Whatever sobriety his death might bring is insignificant compared to the jubilation brought by the end of the architect of 9/11. Sure, it is regrettable that there was no due process whether or not this was Osama's or the SEALs' fault, but why would that stop people celebrating his demise?

Why would a nation which claims to uphold the rule of law celebrate the murder of an unarmed man who provided no resistance when he was attacked?

You do accept that an unarmed man, when attacked provided no defence to that attack presumably?
And if you accept that premise why would anyone celebrate killing an unarmed person in those circumstances?

Surely Americans would prefer to see their enemy captured/charged/tried/sentenced in compliance with the law they claim to cherish and uphold?
Regardless of the crimes perpetrated by a person, they are entitled to due legal process - presumably you agree that they're entitled to due legal process?