Star Trek episodes which just make you switch

nyarlothothep

I have one type in mind, the random time shift episode where the character is going forwards and back in time. Saw the one recently with O Brien time shifting and also about 5 seconds of the Voyager one with Kess doing much the same thing. I think it worked only with AGT because the whole context and set up was different. The reason I dislike such episodes are that they rely on technobabble for the time shifts and the plots are generally boring and irrelevant, ie they have to prevent some future disaster or solve the problem of their time shifting and I just don't care.

syklops

You're talking about Wesley Crushers Law of annoying TV. Basically If Wesley Crusher is in the intro, it usually means it will be a wesley crusher-centric episode, which means you should turn off the telly.

Other people who qualify for said rule, are Botswana(luxwana) Troy, Neelix, Q(I hate Q), Alexander, children in general, Reg, and Bajoran religious figures.

Time shifts I dont mind so much, but <insert character> goes home to visit the old folks episodes annoy me.

nyarlothothep

Actually, I think this thread should be re-titled trek fatigue. I think I've watched too much trek for too long. As much as DS9 is critically praised and as much as its commendable that it went in a different direction, I sometimes feel that its still a bit stuffy...like the uniforms they're wearing just seem out of place in this frontiership of space, and with the dominion war, I dunno but I feel that everything should have looked grungier and bulkier than normal, like you could have had the characters wearing battered armoured suits and photon torpedos being hauled on huge gas emitting vehicles with the station fallling apart and a rise in crime among the station populace. And Odos uniform was a mega fail, he just wore an earth tone jumpsuit, if he's the head of station security he should have looked more imposing. I find DS9 to not have much rewatchability value although the Sisko writer episodes were pretty good and the whole dominion war arc first time round was alright. Voy is just sh1t and even stuffier. Enterprise I'll commend for having a little bit more energy even if it was frequently stupid but TNG and the original series seem to be the most rewatchable and entertaining, I can never get sick of TOS and TNG, while having some booorrrinng episodes had some ultimate classics like Time Squared.

Kojak

There is one episode of TNG that does my head in.

Its one of the early episodes where the enterprise has to combine a world populated by the clones of 5 people with a world of "fiddle-de-dee" irish farmers from the 1900's.

It makes me cringe anytime I see it.

nyarlothothep

That was a riot, Fairhaven on the other hand was out and out racism. I hate Voyager, one wasn't enough the bastards had to make another one, just to shove their racist views in the viewers face again! And it was Janeways fault as she was a xenophobe.

Johnny Storm

syklops wrote: »

...Reg...

Wha?

Shivers26

Any episode where they tried to do a 'romantic' storyline but one that involved an alien or one off character. Cringey from start to finish. There was a Voyager episode with Chakotay and some blonde bird that was especially bad.

Any episode that featured Fairhaven

That Kes time travel episode was fairly bad

Any episode with Naomi Wildman.... irritating little know-it-all brat

syklops

Johnny Storm wrote: »

Wha?

What's the wink for? Do you know who I mean?

Clue: it rhymes with dwight schultz.

Owen

Any of the clip shows. Anything with Troi's Mother, or Alexander, or Jake. Anything with Sisko (I must pro-noun-ce ev-ery syll-ab-le per-fec-tly). Any of the early TNG episodes where Picard was shouty and over-acting.

Magic Eight Ball

Sisko with hair always seems outta place.
I think in gereral the first season in each franchise contain the weakest episodes.
VOY & TNG stand out with some absolute stinkers.

Amalgam

Shivers26 wrote: »

Any episode with Naomi Wildman.... irritating little know-it-all brat

You need to add some 'oomph' to your post, here you go..



So annoying..

Anything with Neelix as the main character, or Kes going through a phase in her interminable alien lifecycle.

Kojak

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Fairhaven on the other hand was out and out racism.

I had forgotten about them episodes - God they were awful. When I saw it first, I was half expecting to see a leprechaun to jump out of somewhere with a pot of gold for the crew :rolleyes:

Also, episodes that had Naomi Wildman or Wesley Crusher as the main character should be banned. Them 2 characters were almost like clones of one another.

Shivers26

Amalgam wrote: »

You need to add some 'oomph' to your post, here you go..



So annoying..

Anything with Neelix as the main character, or Kes going through a phase in her interminable alien lifecycle.

Cheers for that <

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sarcasm

syklops

Amalgam wrote: »

You need to add some 'oomph' to your post, here you go..

/me takes out picture.

So annoying..

Anything with Neelix as the main character, or Kes going through a phase in her interminable alien lifecycle.

Ah here, your making me want to switch off this thread. Down with this sort of thing.

Looks like im not the only one who dislikes wesley crusher.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWesley

not by a long shot...

nyarlothothep

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Any of the clip shows. Anything with Troi's Mother, or Alexander, or Jake. Anything with Sisko (I must pro-noun-ce ev-ery syll-ab-le per-fec-tly). Any of the early TNG episodes where Picard was shouty and over-acting.

Really? I thought Picard the asshole rather than Picard the paternalistic figure was much more entertaining. He was so cantankerous in the early episodes that he was legendary. He just told it like it was, no bs, just straight to the point with added grouchiness. Who can forget shut up Wesley?

JBnaglfar

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Really? I thought Picard the asshole rather than Picard the paternalistic figure was much more entertaining. He was so cantankerous in the early episodes that he was legendary. He just told it like it was, no bs, just straight to the point with added grouchiness. Who can forget shut up Wesley?

I prefer the later Picard myself, but the shut up Wesley moment is magnificent.

Johnny Storm

syklops wrote: »

What's the wink for? Do you know who I mean?

Clue: it rhymes with dwight schultz.

I mean - what's your prob with Brocolli?
I want you to make it your business to befriend him.......:eek:

De Bhál

Episodes featuring Lwaxana Troi.

IvySlayer

Sub Rosa.....awful awful stuff.

syklops

Darmok and Ja-lad at tanagra.

Never again.

Kojak

Any episode that had Neelix as its main character should never be watched again - for some reason, I never liked him.

Many of the Enterprise episodes, IMO, were very poor and I would never watch them again.

Myrddin

The Outrageous Okana, the comic parts are cringeworthy to the extreme

De Bhál

syklops wrote: »

Darmok and Ja-lad at tanagra.

Never again.

Would be in my top 5 episodes that I couldn't watch again. It actually makes me a bit angry even reading your piece of text.

IvySlayer

syklops wrote: »

Darmok and Ja-lad at tanagra.

Never again.

Eh?

I loved that episode.

syklops

IvySlayer wrote: »

Eh?

I loved that episode.

The 64000 dollar question is would you watch it again? The first time I watched it I enjoyed the ending not because it ended, but because it redeemed itself with how things ended at the end, which I cant remember. But, that does not mean I want to watch it all again.

It was tedious and frustrating, and reminds me a lot of the first time I met my polish father in law.

Cookie_Monster

syklops wrote: »

Darmok and Ja-lad at tanagra.

Never again.

but Ashley Judd...

Cookie_Monster

EnterNow wrote: »

The Outrageous Okana, the comic parts are cringeworthy to the extreme

I hate that, they should have just called him O'Connor

Kojak

EnterNow wrote: »

The Outrageous Okana, the comic parts are cringeworthy to the extreme

What episode is that - I can't seem to remember it.

JBnaglfar

Kojak wrote: »

What episode is that - I can't seem to remember it.

I couldn't remember it by the title, but see here. Pretty bad episode alright.

Johnny Storm

IvySlayer wrote: »

Eh?

I loved that episode.

I liked Picard's never-seen-before-or-again away jacket with the ribbed rubber shoulders. The actual ep - meh...

Johnny Storm

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I hate that, they should have just called him O'Connor

+1
Or maybe "Han Solo-alike".

opinion guy

syklops wrote: »

Other people who qualify for said rule, are Botswana(luxwana) Troy, Neelix, Q(I hate Q), Alexander, children in general, Reg, and Bajoran religious figures.

Oh you forgot one:
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Kojak

JBnaglfar wrote: »

I couldn't remember it by the title, but see here. Pretty bad episode alright.

Thanks for that, JBnaglfar. I know the episode now - its pretty cringe-worthy alright.

Amtmann

The Royale, Rascals, Liaisons, Dark Page, Masks, Outrageous Okana, Up the Long Ladder, Code of Honor, Birthright: all awful TNG.

Pride Fighter

IvySlayer wrote: »

Sub Rosa.....awful awful stuff.

Worst episode of any Star Trek ever!!!!

Sad Professor

Shades of Grey, the terrible clip show episode at the end of TNG's second season. It was slapped together at the last minute due the writers' strike.

Goldstein

TNG's Children episodes were among the worst offenders.
Children and sci-fi almost never go together except in very special cases like Ender's Game.

• Wesley steps on flowers
• Planet kidnaps Enterprise's children.
• Deanna squeezes mystery child out
• Data befriends alien girl kid on volcano planet - that was painful.
• "Entity" comforts newly orphaned boy
• Data makes lal
• Human boy raised by non-humans must decide where he belongs
• Picard stuck in a turbolift with kids
• Worf parenting episode 1
• Orphan boy pretends he's an android
• Work parenting episode 2, this time with Lwaxana, yay
• Girl's imaginary friend is real
• Rascals
• Worf parenting episode 3

Amtmann

Goldstein wrote: »

TNG's Children episodes were among the worst offenders.
Children and sci-fi almost never go together except in very special cases like Ender's Game.

• Wesley steps on flowers
• Planet kidnaps Enterprise's children.
• Deanna squeezes mystery child out
• Data befriends alien girl kid on volcano planet - that was painful.
• "Entity" comforts newly orphaned boy
• Data makes lal
• Human boy raised by non-humans must decide where he belongs
• Picard stuck in a turbolift with kids
• Worf parenting episode 1
• Orphan boy pretends he's an android
• Work parenting episode 2, this time with Lwaxana, yay
• Girl's imaginary friend is real
• Rascals
• Worf parenting episode 3

The Offspring is a cracking episode. Great emotion in the penultimate scene. I think it's widely regarded as a triumph. "The Bonding" is very good too I think.

Just going through season 3 now. Have been able to watch them all except "The Price" and "Captain's Holiday". I really dislike all the Troi and almost all the Ferengi episodes.

Sad Professor

Tremelo wrote: »

Just going through season 3 now. Have been able to watch them all except "The Price" and "Captain's Holiday".

Always hated that episode. I found Picard's behaviour very out of character. I never bought for a second that he ever go on a holiday or that he would fall for a woman like Vash. The whole premise was so contrived.

syklops

****in hell, Id forgotten all about lal. Should I go back and refresh my memory of her and her fate? Hmm, thats strange there is a subroutine, attached to the EPS conduit of my positronic matrix telling me "Dont even think about it!".

From what I remember, something happens to her in a way, that he cant rebuild her? Did he use some unique part of himself that he could not replicate to make her, and somehow with out it he is fine, but with out it she is little more than a teasmaid?

Yeah kids in scifi usually suck. And tbh artificial intelligence in scifi tends to suck too. Couple the two together and you have set course for disaster. The only AI units that were ok, apart from Star Wars droids, Marvin from Hitchhiker, and the none-carbon based life forms in Red Dwarf, all of whom take the piss out of themselves most of the time.

Orphan boy pretends he's an android

See above.

Worf parenting episode 1
Worf parenting episode 3

I am going to make it easier for you, and say Worf parenting episode *. They really screwed up Alexander. They should have made him a she(Although for a long time I thought he was). They could have had a lot more fun with him/her. The slow transition from sweet Klingon girl-child into fiery Klingon teenager. Klingon female puberty is the stuff of Shakespearean tragedy. Think cat in heat meets Klingon moodiness, Vulcan contempt for everyone, and at times malfunctioning-emotion chip Data-esque, malfunctioning emotions. It could have been great!

Let me also add in Naiomi Wilder, and in particular, anything to do with 7 of 9 befriending her.

In fact, once I discovered this thing called the internet where you can look at pictures and videos of 7 of 9 with out her interacting with anyone, I started turning eps with her in them off too. If she looked less like Lara Croft and more like Lando Calrissian, I wonder how long she would have lasted?

Amtmann

"A Matter of Time" and "Menage a Troi". Also, I am sick of "Relics".

opinion guy

Romulan Hair cuts

Goldstein

Tremelo wrote: »

"A Matter of Time" and "Menage a Troi". Also, I am sick of "Relics".

Blatant bait and switch tactics that one.

I didn't even want to think about the weakest Voyager eps cos they'd make TNG's "Pen Pals" look like "In the Pale Moonlight" meets BSG's "Exodus Part II"

opinion guy

What about that Voyager episode where the Darby O Gill village on their holodeck became selfaware or something.

That was painful. Begosh and begorrah

Surion

All Klingon crap. Why didn't they all just die out after Khitomer....whhyyy? God (or Khaless) knows why their blasted soundtrack has continued uo to the feckin last TNG film.

Klingon=overkill. If I ever HAVE to see Worf again....

( oh look....it's Deirdre Chambers...what a coincidence....)

Amtmann

"The Cost of Living" - atrocious stuff.

IvySlayer

Any episode involving Vic ****ing Fontaine.

IvySlayer

Surion wrote: »

All Klingon crap. Why didn't they all just die out after Khitomer....whhyyy? God (or Khaless) knows why their blasted soundtrack has continued uo to the feckin last TNG film.

Klingon=overkill. If I ever HAVE to see Worf again....

( oh look....it's Deirdre Chambers...what a coincidence....)

TNGs Klingon story arcs were great though!

Redemption, Reunion, Sins of the Father.

Surion

Haha, they were the best of an awful lot, rest of which was crap!!! Nemesis was great in only that we got to see some cool Romulan thingys and NO K's lol

Cookie_Monster

Surion wrote: »

Haha, they were the best of an awful lot, rest of which was crap!!! Nemesis was great in only that we got to see some cool Romulan thingys and NO K's lol

:rolleyes: