Electric Trolleys - Why?

thewobbler

When you factor in that you have to regularly charge batteries, need a car boot the size of a prairie, and that they cost a lot of wonga, then is the small amount of your energy they save, on a course, actually worth it?

I'm in the no camp, but I'm looking forward to being beguiled by tails of improved games and mental health.

Trampas

how do you get your clubs around the course?

it saves energy and can be beneficial at the end of the round

Almaviva

Who ever said it was about saving energy?

Its the convenience. Try one and you'll see.

Mono25

defo makes the round easier and takes out some of the tired shots at the end of the round..........

if you check a thread i started last night you can see there are some downsides but thats down to my stupidity not the carts fault!!!!!

thewobbler

Almaviva, talk to me about this convenience. They're anything but convenient off the course.

SuprSi

I recently made the switch from carry bag to trolley. My 7 year old carry bag broke and I couldn't find another one that I liked, so with my credit in the pro shop I bought a proper Titliest tour bag and followed it up with a GoKart trolley.

The reasons I went for the trolley were mainly around space. My carry bag could just about fit everything I needed to play in Ireland, but when I loaded it with water, food, wet gear, extra clothing, it got quite heavy. This is not an issue any more and now I can afford to always bring an umbrella and my wet gear (even if I know I'm not going to use them) because I'm not carrying the bag.

Sure I miss out on being able to walk across the green or take the usual shortcuts you can take when carrying the bag, but when you get used to the trolley and the speed settings, walking up the fairway with both your hands in your pockets and no weight on your back is a pretty good trade-off! Plus, over a 36 hole competition it makes a very big difference and makes little of the extra inconvenience of having to make 2 trips to the car with your extra gear.

heavyballs

just made the switch from electric to push(motocaddy s1 lite)and i'll never go back...really light and no poxy battery..

sweetswing

To much messing around with electric , the new push trolleys are so well designed , they are a dream to play with.
Don't even get me started with buggies (game destroyers)

stumpypeeps

Contemplating getting a push trolley as I'm tired of my back aching on the back 9. Any recommendations?

heavyballs

stumpypeeps wrote: »

Contemplating getting a push trolley as I'm tired of my back aching on the back 9. Any recommendations?

motocaddy S1 lite.excellent,couldn't fault it

stumpypeeps

heavyballs wrote: »

motocaddy S1 lite.excellent,couldn't fault it

What sort of price are they coming in at? Who's stocking them?

Really can't see any benefit of attaching a battery to a trolley, given the hassle and cost of them.

Cheers.

heavyballs

stumpypeeps wrote: »

What sort of price are they coming in at? Who's stocking them?

Really can't see any benefit of attaching a battery to a trolley, given the hassle and cost of them.

Cheers.

about €110 i think,my local golf shop in Kilcoole stocks them,there's also a new one out,some german make,i'll try to find a pic of one

stockdam

I prefer carrying my bag. Yes there are times when an electric trolley would be less tiring but I still prefer to carry.

dvemail

For me the push trolleys are the way to go, very easy to use around the course.
And light enough and small enough to be no hassle taking it in and out of the boot of the car.

GreeBo

I dont see the point in a push trolley, it seems to be the worst of both worlds.
You still have to expend energy and you still cannot take short cuts?

I have a huge bag for the electric days and a pencil bag for the other days, job done.

Adiaga 2

GreeBo wrote: »

I dont see the point in a push trolley, it seems to be the worst of both worlds.
You still have to expend energy and you still cannot take short cuts?

How is a push trolley the worst of both worlds? It requires less effort/energy than carry or using a pull trolley. On a flat course it requires very little effort at all and on a hilly course it's still easier than carrying or using a pull trolley. And with no battery to charge or electro-mechanical problems to worry about as with an electric trolley, I'd say it's the best of both worlds.

GreeBo

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

How is a push trolley the worst of both worlds? It requires less effort/energy than carry or using a pull trolley. On a flat course it requires very little effort at all and on a hilly course it's still easier than carrying or using a pull trolley. And with no battery to charge or electro-mechanical problems to worry about as with an electric trolley, I'd say it's the best of both worlds.

I just explained how its the worst.
The benefits of a carry bag are that you can walk where you want.
The benefits of a electric caddy car are that you can take what you want and not get tired.

A push trolley still needs to be pushed (uses energy) and stops you from walking where you want. It still needs to be cleaned etc, so the only benefit is that you dont have to charge a battery, which is of no benefit IMO as the battery sits on charge all the time in the press so is zero hassle.

Adiaga 2

GreeBo wrote: »

I just explained how its the worst.
The benefits of a carry bag are that you can walk where you want.
The benefits of a electric caddy car are that you can take what you want and not get tired.

A push trolley still needs to be pushed (uses energy) and stops you from walking where you want. It still needs to be cleaned etc, so the only benefit is that you dont have to charge a battery, which is of no benefit IMO as the battery sits on charge all the time in the press so is zero hassle.

Well you didn't explain it very well at all. You picked up on a couple of points that you see as "the benefits" and ignored everything else and decide it's "the worst of both worlds".

Osgoodisgood

Business terminology meltdown!

My "Bumper book of Sales Lingo" tells me that a Benefit is a personal appreciation of an Advantage, which is distinct from a Feature.

Feature >Electric caddy car
Advantage >It requires no effort to push
Benefit >GreeBo won't get tired

The issue is that in the hands of someone else, who actually wants the additional exercise for example, that advantage is of no benefit at all.

GreeBo

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

Well you didn't explain it very well at all. You picked up on a couple of points that you see as "the benefits" and ignored everything else and decide it's "the worst of both worlds".

OK, so what do you see as the benefits of a push caddy car over either electric or carry? What is the "everything else" that Im ignoring?

Johnny_Fontane

Anyone under 55 (or without a medical cert) should be banned from using an electric caddy. Simples.

I carry when playing links (always) and use a push trolley for parkland courses. I'm a parkland member, so mostly use the push trolley. Have a really small lightweight foldable from powacaddy thats the business.

I like the st.andrews approach where you HAVE to carry your bag.

Johnny_Fontane

electric caddies can chew up golf courses too though, specially in the winter on little inclines....

Adiaga 2

GreeBo wrote: »

OK, so what do you see as the benefits of a push caddy car over either electric or carry? What is the "everything else" that Im ignoring?

Well using a push trolley requires a lot less effort than carrying and that's something you seemed to ignore. The worst of both worlds just seemed a bit of an odd comment to me but that's fine. Feel free to have the last word on this below.

GreeBo

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Anyone under 55 (or without a medical cert) should be banned from using an electric caddy. Simples.

Why?

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

I carry when playing links (always) and use a push trolley for parkland courses. I'm a parkland member, so mostly use the push trolley. Have a really small lightweight foldable from powacaddy thats the business.

How is the push trolley better than an electric one?

Johnny_Fontane wrote:

electric caddies can chew up golf courses too though, specially in the winter on little inclines....

:rolleyes: Possibly you should remove the offroad tyres or if the course is that wet it should be closed. Also foot prints of a person carrying a bag will leave deeper impressions on the greens/fringes in wet weather.

GreeBo

Adiaga 2 wrote: »

Well using a push trolley requires a lot less effort than carrying and that's something you seemed to ignore. The worst of both worlds just seemed a bit of an odd comment to me but that's fine. Feel free to have the last word on this below.

Thats a given, but you are forsaking the major plus of carrying (freedom) and yet still expending energy. Dont get me wrong, push trolleys are much better than pull trolleys I just dont see the point in them, I either carry or click.

kagni

GreeBo wrote: »

OK, so what do you see as the benefits of a push caddy car over either electric or carry? What is the "everything else" that Im ignoring?

I'll have a go

Push caddy car over electric --
Takes up less space in the boot.
More convenient, no messing about with battery and no chance of running out of charge half way around.
Cheaper to buy.
Less parts and nothing electrical to go wrong so less likely to need repairing.

Push caddy car over carry --
Requires less effort than carrying clubs so saves energy.
Can carry more stuff in the bag.

GreeBo

kagni wrote: »

I'll have a go

Push caddy car over electric --
Takes up less space in the boot.
More convenient, no messing about with battery and no chance of running out of charge half way around.
Cheaper to buy.
Less parts and nothing electrical to go wrong so less likely to need repairing.

Allow me to present my rebuttle
I dont buy the less space in the boot argument, its not like you have loads of room left when you use a push trolley so as long as the electric fits then I think its a moot point.
The only messing around with the battery is plug it in when finished and plug it out when going to play. Other than that it sits charging in the press.
They are cheaper, though you can get real cheap electric ones now (~€200)
The golf gliders are all sealed so the only bits you can really have issues with are the switch or the battery dying after a couple of years.

kagni

GreeBo wrote: »

Allow me to present my rebuttle
I dont buy the less space in the boot argument, its not like you have loads of room left when you use a push trolley so as long as the electric fits then I think its a moot point.
The only messing around with the battery is plug it in when finished and plug it out when going to play. Other than that it sits charging in the press.
They are cheaper, though you can get real cheap electric ones now (~€200)
The golf gliders are all sealed so the only bits you can really have issues with are the switch or the battery dying after a couple of years.

The space argument depends on what type of push trolley you have - the clicgear folds up to a tiny size -


You can get cheap electric ones but they tend to be noisy (should have mentioned earlier that the pushcart is silent - another advantage ) and prone to breakage.

Most electric ones aren't as robust as the Golf Glider - there are plenty of threads on here about broken electric carts.

I have a cheap pushcart and it's decent enough, if I was buying again I think I'd go for the clicgear, it's expensive but looks to have everything I need.

bustercherry

kagni wrote: »

The space argument depends on what type of push trolley you have - the clicgear folds up to a tiny size -


You can get cheap electric ones but they tend to be noisy (should have mentioned earlier that the pushcart is silent - another advantage ) and prone to breakage.

Most electric ones aren't as robust as the Golf Glider - there are plenty of threads on here about broken electric carts.

I have a cheap pushcart and it's decent enough, if I was buying again I think I'd go for the clicgear, it's expensive but looks to have everything I need.

Wise up around 200 euros for a push cart :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You could have a GoKart for around an extra 100. FFS it looks like one of those mobility walkers old people use.

kagni

bustercherry wrote: »

FFS it looks like one of those mobility walkers old people use.

But aren't electric carts are for auld fellas who don't have the strength to push/pull/carry their clubs around any more?

bustercherry

kagni wrote: »

But aren't electric carts are for auld fellas who don't have the strength to push/pull/carry their clubs around any more?

I have both and I would consider myself fit, with an ironman done last year and 2 marathons already this year :rolleyes:

I like the electric for 18 holes or day's I might play more, the pencil bag for a quick 6-9 holes during the long evenings. On hilly courses pushing or pulling carts will fcuk your posture, it's the main reason I got an electric trolley and the fact I prefer not having to worry about the weight of my bag.

Each to their own on how they want to transport their clubs but I think anyone who spends 200 euros on a push cart is an idiot.

kagni

bustercherry wrote: »

Each to their own on how they want to transport their clubs but I think anyone who spends 200 euros on a push cart is an idiot.

I'm glad I didn't buy one so - I'd hate to have some know-all on the internet think I was an idiot :eek:

SuprSi

I would also consider myself fit, but don't see any reason (other than cost) why someone would go for a push trolley over an electric one.

Space - if you keep your trolley in the car all the time, then fair enough. Otherwise, what difference does its size make? I drive a small car and can easily fit my GoKart into the boot.
Noise - fair enough, but they're hardly powered by V8 engines and if you can't put up with a bit of an electric whirr, then push trolleys are definitely for you
Convenience - apart from having to make an extra journey to the car when playing golf, the electric trolley wins hands down. Yeah the battery is heavy, but do you carry it yourself? And hooking the battery up is a simple thing to do.

As I said, if money isn't a consideration, IMO the electric option is a much better one. You'll fit more gear and feel less tired after your round.

bustercherry

kagni wrote: »

I'm glad I didn't buy one so - I'd hate to have some know-all on the internet think I was an idiot :eek:

That's the internet for you, get over it or stick to teletext

kermitpwee

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

Anyone under 55 (or without a medical cert) should be banned from using an electric caddy. Simples.

I carry when playing links (always) and use a push trolley for parkland courses. I'm a parkland member, so mostly use the push trolley. Have a really small lightweight foldable from powacaddy thats the business.

I like the st.andrews approach where you HAVE to carry your bag.

This is madness, its like saying that electric windows in cars should be banned for anyone under 55, all cars for younger people must have the wind down by hand ones as there really is no need for it. Ride on lawnmowers should also be banned and electric kettles as there really is no need for them and my favourite is the dishwasher:D:D:D

harpsman

GreeBo wrote: »

I just explained how its the worst.
The benefits of a carry bag are that you can walk where you want.
The benefits of a electric caddy car are that you can take what you want and not get tired.

A push trolley still needs to be pushed (uses energy) and stops you from walking where you want. It still needs to be cleaned etc, so the only benefit is that you dont have to charge a battery, which is of no benefit IMO as the battery sits on charge all the time in the press so is zero hassle.

Thats like sayin a bike has no advantage over walkin cos you still have to expend energy.
Push trolley way to go,except for geriatrics who might need electric trolley.

GreeBo

harpsman wrote: »

Thats like sayin a bike has no advantage over walkin cos you still have to expend energy.
Push trolley way to go,

Err no its not.
If I was comparing push trolleys to pull trolleys then your argument makes sense, but Im not.

Try comparing a push bike to a moped and you are more on track.

Carry = Most energy with most freedom but little storage
Push/Pull = Less energy with no freedom and more storage
Electric = Zero energy with no freedom but no restriction on storage/weight

So all you get for a push/pull is that it uses less energy than carrying.
To me thats no enough so I have a carry bag and an electric bag and all my bases are covered.

harpsman wrote: »

except for geriatrics who might need electric trolley.

Comic genius. Do you write all of your own material?

heavyballs

kermitpwee wrote: »

This is madness, its like saying that electric windows in cars should be banned for anyone under 55, all cars for younger people must have the wind down by hand ones as there really is no need for it. Ride on lawnmowers should also be banned and electric kettles as there really is no need for them and my favourite is the dishwasher:D:D:D

Well done on probably the worst comparison in boards history.

i'm in the push trolley camp,had an electric trolley,gave it away and bought a Motocaddy S1 light......best golf item i have ever bought
stays in the boot all the time,ready to go

thegen

I have a powakaddy in the boot full time!!! I also fit in 40 footballs, bibs, cones etc fir training so the space argument is bull. The real reason I use one is I prefer it, it makes my round more enjoyable and it is worth 1-2 shots per round. The "Tree huggers" should stick with the push carts.

heavyballs

thegen wrote: »

I have a powakaddy in the boot full time!!! I also fit in 40 footballs, bibs, cones etc fir training so the space argument is bull. The real reason I use one is I prefer it, it makes my round more enjoyable and it is worth 1-2 shots per round. The "Tree huggers" should stick with the push carts.

it must be a bitch pumping all those balls up before training..........40 balls!!!! .....what do you drive?

kermitpwee

heavyballs wrote: »

Well done on probably the worst comparison in boards history.

i'm in the push trolley camp,had an electric trolley,gave it away and bought a Motocaddy S1 light......best golf item i have ever bought
stays in the boot all the time,ready to go

What are you on about? Where did I say that I was in any camp? I don't agree that electric trolleys should be banned for people under 55. You obviously think they should as you attacked my post. Also my comparison is very apt. From your post I can see that you don't like electic trolleys, electric windows are also not a necessity, do you have them in your car and if you do how can you justify it?

heavyballs

kermitpwee wrote: »

What are you on about? Where did I say that I was in any camp? I don't agree that electric trolleys should be banned for people under 55. You obviously think they should as you attacked my post. Also my comparison is very apt. From your post I can see that you don't like electic trolleys, electric windows are also not a necessity, do you have them in your car and if you do how can you justify it?

i never mentioned YOU were in any camp,that was a new paragraph and i was just stating my preference
btw i don't drive

dave..

I got an electric trolley last month and it was the best golf purchase I have made. Comfort is important regardless of your level of fitness or age I'll never go back to a pull cart. Golf is meant to be a leisurely activity not a strenuous walk hiking a trolley behind you.

kermitpwee

heavyballs wrote: »

i never mentioned YOU were in any camp,that was a new paragraph and i was just stating my preference
btw i don't drive

Fair enough thought you kept your Motocaddy S1 light in the boot:D

heavyballs

kermitpwee wrote: »

Fair enough thought you kept your Motocaddy S1 light in the boot:D

yeah that's correct...in the boot of my car but i don't drive........work it out for yourself:D:D

Adiaga 2

GreeBo wrote: »

Carry = Most energy with most freedom but little storage
Push/Pull = Less energy with no freedom and more storage
Electric = Zero energy with no freedom but no restriction on storage/weight

So all you get for a push/pull is that it uses less energy than carrying.
To me thats no enough so I have a carry bag and an electric bag and all my bases are covered.

Can't believe this is still going.. Just to point out that there is no restriction on bag size/storage with my push trolley. It can carry any size bag with whatever you want to stuff it with. And before you say that it means more energy, I think that would be pretty negligible(unless maybe you want to fill your bag with lead) as it's the wheels that do the work.

I'm not saying that push trolleys are the cheese and people that use electric are idiots - just that it has many merits suits me more than an electric.

kermitpwee

heavyballs wrote: »

yeah that's correct...in the boot of my car but i don't drive........work it out for yourself:D:D

Kept man or woman:D:D:D

the_syco

Type | Pros | Cons
Carry | Ability to go any route, step up steep banks, etc | the more you pack, the more tired you'll get as the game goes on
Push/Pull | pack what you want | limits your route
Electric | save your energy, pack what you want | limits your route, not as portable* as the push/pull trolley

By "not as portable", I mean via public transport. Although most people have cars, if you have to go by bus, push-pull trolley will be the best for this.

BraveDonut

I am younger than 55, but:
Back injury + Hilly course = Electric
No contest.

thegen

heavyballs wrote: »

it must be a bitch pumping all those balls up before training..........40 balls!!!! .....what do you drive?

Eclass & all fully pumped!!!!

charlieIRL

real division here regarding the use of trollies!!

I have one main golf bag that i use and in it along with clubs / spare balls etc i carry summer and winter gear, food, etc. I got caught out with a shower one fine but cloudy day without wet geat and never again. i couldn't be botherd taking stuff in and out of a bag depending on weather etc and i leave my clubs in the boot of the car 99% of the time. Carrying this would kill you by the 9th hole!!

I have a push trolly and a golf glider. With the push trolly i notice on some courses that near the end of the round your arms are wrecked from lugging it around the place whereas using the glider you could play another 18!!

Each to their own i suppose.