Coke Zero query

Amtmann

Even though this is calorie free, does it have any effect on insulin production in the body?

Cipher

Was reading this article recently, might help:

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=134021891&highlight=insulin

Transform

Yes

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worms.


/Runs

Amtmann

I'm just looking for a synopsis of recent trustworthy research. I drink around 500ml per day and it's the only non-whole 'food' in my diet. If it causes insulin spikes, then I'll kick it. If not, I'll continue to drink it, aspartame be damned.

Khannie

500ml...I wouldn't worry in the slightest. Enjoy it.

Blatter

This is an interesting clip I found on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpoAtwVyzZI

In answer to your question, I don't think there is any scientific research to prove it causes a rise in insulin, there's actually research that proves the theory to be incorrect.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/artificial-sweeteners-insulin/

But how it affects your insulin levels would not be the only reason for you to consider kicking it, personally I stay well clear of the stuff for the most part.

Amtmann

What would we do without Marksdailyapple

El_Dangeroso

Phosphoric acid.. nasty stuff.

Having said that, if you're really good and it's stopping you from being worse, the law of diminishing returns may apply.:)

I love some lemon and lime juice in ice water, seriously hits the spot. But only cos I find the taste of artificial sweeteners really weird. Like bitter tasting or something.

Amtmann

Go on El D, give me the low down on Phosphoric Acid

rocky

Why do you care about insulin anyway

In the study cited above from bodybuilding.com, the rise in insulin is greater in the sucrose pre-load, then aspartame, then stevia.

However, people consuming aspartame or stevia instead of sucrose had a lower daily caloric intake (330kcal lower in the case of aspartame) - this is a very good moderate deficit if you want to lose weight.

Don't fear the insulin - it builds musclez

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

Amtmann

I did read in one of the stickies here that calorie-free soft drinks, when consumed with fatty foods, cause fat to be stored rather than burned. I eat a lot of saturated fat, sometimes with Coke Zero...and since insulin is linked to fat storage, I am a little concerned that it's doing things I don't want it to do.

rocky

Tremelo wrote: »

I did read in one of the stickies here that calorie-free soft drinks, when consumed with fatty foods, cause fat to be stored rather than burned. I eat a lot of saturated fat, sometimes with Coke Zero...and since insulin is linked to fat storage, I am a little concerned that it's doing things I don't want it to do.

Insulin is 'linked' to lots of things, that sticky must be out-of-date if it makes such claims.

In the study above, they had no control group. That is, how do we know that with no sweetener at all in the pre-load meal, the insulin wouldn't have risen even higher? We don't.

Although you may be deep in the paleo ways, so I'm not going to convince you otherwise right now. mmm, Fairly Nuts ...

Blatter

Tremelo wrote: »

I did read in one of the stickies here that calorie-free soft drinks, when consumed with fatty foods, cause fat to be stored rather than burned. I eat a lot of saturated fat, sometimes with Coke Zero...and since insulin is linked to fat storage, I am a little concerned that it's doing things I don't want it to do.

That particular information in the sticky is outdated.

Sure this is in one of the Health and Fitness stickies;

F Grade Fats.

Anything fried
Dairy fat (whole milk, cheese etc)
Palm/coconut/vegetable oils
High fat cuts of meat

They probably need to be updated a tad, most of the info on them is spot on but anti sat fat /insulin myths etc posts still exist.

Amtmann

rocky wrote: »

Although you may be deep in the paleo ways, so I'm not going to convince you otherwise right now. mmm, Fairly Nuts ...

I'm not *that* into it. I mean I make informed choices based largely on the Primal Blueprint, and I tend to avoid grains most of the time, but then on the other hand I consume plenty of dairy (mostly butter and milk), which Sisson doesn't endorse.

Tremelo

Tremelo wrote: »

I did read in one of the stickies here that calorie-free soft drinks, when consumed with fatty foods, cause fat to be stored rather than burned. I eat a lot of saturated fat, sometimes with Coke Zero...and since insulin is linked to fat storage, I am a little concerned that it's doing things I don't want it to do.

I really wouldn't worry about it.

It's calorie-free, and glucose free, so your body will be looking towards fats for fuel, not storing them. Drinking regular coke would be more likely to cause fat storage, but not coke zero. Anyway, seeing as how sweeteners such as aspartame are something like 200 times sweeter than glucose, even if they did have some effect, their quantities will be negligible in the grand scheme of fat/glucose management.

ragg

Transform wrote: »

Yes

proof??

El_Dangeroso

Tremelo wrote: »

Go on El D, give me the low down on Phosphoric Acid

Oh, it's just a bit dodgy on the bones. Binds magnesium and calcium in the gut.

eilo1

No it doesnt as there is no carbohydrate in it. Honestly I drink lots of diet and zero coke and Im diabetic. As there is no carb, there is no rise in blood sugar level and this in a normal person would mean no need for an insulin release.

Amtmann

This is all good to know. I think a man should be allowed a vice or two, and mine is coca-cola. I've always hated Diet Coke, but Coke Zero is great to the taste. I'll continue imbibing it moderately.

Roger Marbles

ragg wrote: »

proof??

Caffeine leads to increased cortisol and catecholamine release. In turn, glucose is released which stimulates insulin release.

Also studies suggest it leads to decreased insulin sensitivity.

El_Dangeroso

Roger Marbles wrote: »

Caffeine leads to increased cortisol and catecholamine release. In turn, glucose is released which stimulates insulin release.

Also studies suggest it leads to decreased insulin sensitivity.

I've always heard the opposite re: caffeine, loads of studies showing it to be protective of diabetes. Could be a hormetic effect, as in if you look at a very short term reaction, it looks bad, but because it's acute and intermittent it leads to longer term beneficial adaptations.

Having said that, I can't have very much caffeine at all, seem to have a really bad reaction to it, even the small amount in dark chocolate. But I still think it can be beneficial for a lot of people.