Suicide.

midlandsmissus

What do you think happens when you commit suicide?

TwoShedsJackson

You die.

Knasher

This is a weird question. You die and you leave some sad and disappointed people behind.

jameshayes

you leave a whole pile of hurt people behind

death, unhappy family & friends, rebirth

The Mad Hatter

Um, did you mean to post this in Christianity?

Galvasean

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Um, did you mean to post this in Christianity?

I was thinking the same thing. surely atheists who don't believe in an afterlife believe you go to exactly the same place (ie: nowhere) regardless of how you die?

krudler

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

You die.

I lol'd, I shouldnt have, but I did.

liamw

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do you think happens when you commit suicide?

You die. What do you think happens?

Turtwig

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do you think happens when you commit suicide?

You die, others are left wondering why.

Newaglish

Thread needs poll.

actuallylike

Knasher wrote: »

This is a weird question. You die and you leave some sad and disappointed people behind.

Don't know about that now.

robindch

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Newaglish wrote: »

Thread needs poll.

Added. Though the result's hardly in much doubt.

strobe

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

ScienceNerd?

Naikon

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Same as before you were born. Nothing.

Zillah

Poll needs comedy options.

midlandsmissus

To clarify - I suppose it's addressed to the agnostics on here. I believe in something after here but I'd be closer to agnostic than any religion. I've been reading up on the topic lately and just wondering if anyone on here had any opinion on the different ways we die. Any agnostics have any fear (not of the pain or the people we leave behind, as bad as that may sound) of something bad happening afterwards if you commit suicide?

Dave!

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Good work OP, stirring up some much-needed lively debate in here!

strobe

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

midlandsmissus wrote: »

To clarify - I suppose it's addressed to the agnostics on here. I believe in something after here but I'd be closer to agnostic than any religion. I've been reading up on the topic lately and just wondering if anyone on here had any opinion on the different ways we die. Any agnostics have any fear (not of the pain or the people we leave behind, as bad as that may sound) of something bad happening afterwards if you commit suicide?

What do you think MLM?

midlandsmissus

I'd be scared I guess, of something bad happening after.

strobe

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I'd be scared I guess, of something bad happening after.

Maybe that's a good thing.

You ok?

I don't know if I'm religious or not. Mostly just confused.


mlm, if you are considering something then please call someone

actuallylike

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I'd be scared I guess, of something bad happening after.

Well if you don't believe in anything then there will be nothing after. And when I say nothing, I mean nothing, no relief, no fear, no joy, nothing. No new path to follow, no second chance, nothing.

The point is suicide is just a permanent solution to a temporary problem. If atheists are right, you won't feel anything after cause you will simply cease to be. Never worth it if you can get your head round the permanency of it all.

GLaDOS

I'm non-religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

strobe wrote: »

ScienceNerd?

Sorry I couldn't resist

Paparazzo

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

You die.

I read that in an arnold schwarzenegger voice

ShooterSF

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Too many relatives have taken this option. You die and you hurt a lot of those you love.

Unless you are terminally ill it's a bad long term solution to what is often a short term problem.

Donatello

I'm religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

The soul is immortal. We endure after death, in heaven or in hell, for eternity.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say on the matter:

Suicide

2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.

2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.

2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.

Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.

2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.

It is interesting to note that suicide levels are lowest where there is a strong Catholic faith. Suicide rates increase as Protestantism, and later atheism, set in. Protestantism tends to have a more liberal attitude to suicide than Catholicism, especially with erroneous 'once saved, always saved' beliefs, whilst atheism is a creed of despair, in essence. Only in Jesus Christ can we find a secure and lasting love, joy, and peace. Without Him and His saving grace, we really are alone, and it is no wonder than many poor souls wind up in suicidal despair. The remedy is to be found in Jesus Christ.

"O soul steeped in darkness, do not despair. All is not yet lost. Come and confide in your God, who is love and mercy...My child, listen to the voice of your merciful Father" (Diary, 1486).

"My daughter, know that My Heart is mercy itself. From this sea of mercy, graces flow out upon the whole world. No soul that has approached Me has ever gone away unconsoled. All misery gets buried in the depths of My mercy, and every saving and sanctifying grace flows from this fountain..." (Diary, 1777).

TheReverend

Gain superpoweres, what do you think will happen ¬_¬

paky

I'm non-religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

midlandsmissus wrote: »

What do you think happens when you commit suicide?

i dont see what the big deal is commiting suicide. lifes tough

TheReverend

Donatello wrote: »

The soul is immortal. We endure after death, in heaven or in hell, for eternity.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say on the matter:



It is interesting to note that suicide levels are lowest where there is a strong Catholic faith. Suicide rates increase as Protestantism, and later atheism, set in. Protestantism tends to have a more liberal attitude to suicide than Catholicism, especially with erroneous 'once saved, always saved' beliefs, whilst atheism is a creed of despair, in essence. Only in Jesus Christ can we find a secure and lasting love, joy, and peace. Without Him and His saving grace, we really are alone, and it is no wonder than many poor souls wind up in suicidal despair. The remedy is to be found in Jesus Christ.

"O soul steeped in darkness, do not despair. All is not yet lost. Come and confide in your God, who is love and mercy...My child, listen to the voice of your merciful Father" (Diary, 1486).

"My daughter, know that My Heart is mercy itself. From this sea of mercy, graces flow out upon the whole world. No soul that has approached Me has ever gone away unconsoled. All misery gets buried in the depths of My mercy, and every saving and sanctifying grace flows from this fountain..." (Diary, 1777).

whole load of herp derp in that post, saying atheists are depressed.

Dave!

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Donatello wrote: »

The soul is immortal. We endure after death, in heaven or in hell, for eternity.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has this to say on the matter:



It is interesting to note that suicide levels are lowest where there is a strong Catholic faith. Suicide rates increase as Protestantism, and later atheism, set in. Protestantism tends to have a more liberal attitude to suicide than Catholicism, especially with erroneous 'once saved, always saved' beliefs, whilst atheism is a creed of despair, in essence. Only in Jesus Christ can we find a secure and lasting love, joy, and peace. Without Him and His saving grace, we really are alone, and it is no wonder than many poor souls wind up in suicidal despair. The remedy is to be found in Jesus Christ.

"O soul steeped in darkness, do not despair. All is not yet lost. Come and confide in your God, who is love and mercy...My child, listen to the voice of your merciful Father" (Diary, 1486).

"My daughter, know that My Heart is mercy itself. From this sea of mercy, graces flow out upon the whole world. No soul that has approached Me has ever gone away unconsoled. All misery gets buried in the depths of My mercy, and every saving and sanctifying grace flows from this fountain..." (Diary, 1777).

Where can I learn more about this Jesus guy? Sounds like just what I need!

Donatello

I'm religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

TheReverend wrote: »

whole load of herp derp in that post, saying atheists are depressed.

I didn't say they were all depressed. But if there is no God and your life is an irrelevant coincidence, then one could be forgiven for thinking life is **** and without meaning or purpose or hope or love and thus despairing.

It's all very well being one of the cocky clique of perpetually cynical new atheists when everything is seemingly going swimmingly, but in the real world, real people hit rock bottom and it is then that the atheist creed has SFA to offer any one in real need. Pardon me for my curtness.

Irish Fire

Your bowels release.... you make a mess........

Zillah

Donatello wrote: »

It's all very well being one of the cocky clique of new atheists when everything is seemingly going swimmingly, but in the real world, real people hit rock bottom and it is then that the atheist creed has SFA to offer any one in real need.

Some day I hope that I will get to take part in the real world.

Zillah

Also, don't kill yourself MLM.

Stercus Accidit

TheReverend wrote: »

whole load of herp derp in that post, saying atheists are depressed.

Thanks, I didn't want to have to read it myself.

oldrnwisr

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Donatello wrote: »

It is interesting to note that suicide levels are lowest where there is a strong Catholic faith. Suicide rates increase as Protestantism, and later atheism, set in. Protestantism tends to have a more liberal attitude to suicide than Catholicism, especially with erroneous 'once saved, always saved' beliefs, whilst atheism is a creed of despair, in essence. Only in Jesus Christ can we find a secure and lasting love, joy, and peace. Without Him and His saving grace, we really are alone, and it is no wonder than many poor souls wind up in suicidal despair. The remedy is to be found in Jesus Christ.

What a crock of ****. I know that facts and catholicism aren't always things that go together but you may want to get your facts straight before making such ridiculous assertions, Donatello. The figures show that out of the ten countries with the lowest suicide rates, 5 are muslim countries, 3 are Anglican and 2 are catholic. In fact the country with the highest suicide rate of all is Lithuania, a country where 79% of the population is catholic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate

Also, while we're on the subject of making ridiculous claims, atheism is not a creed. It's not a faith, a belief system, a religion or a worldview. It is simply a rejection of theistic claims (like yours) for which there is no evidence.

Oh, and two more things.

First, maybe you should actually do some research into causal factors of suicide before making wild assertions. I attended two funerals last week, both of catholics, both suicides. Suicide is not a topic you should just use as a platform for your kind of shameful proseltysing.

Second, the actual research, none of which you've bothered to read shows a strong negative correlation between societal health factors such as divorce, teen pregnancy, rape rate etc. and religiosity.

TrollHammaren

Donatello wrote: »

I didn't say they were all depressed. But if there is no God and your life is an irrelevant coincidence, then one could be forgiven for thinking life is **** and without meaning or purpose or hope or love and thus despairing.

It's all very well being one of the cocky clique of perpetually cynical new atheists when everything is seemingly going swimmingly, but in the real world, real people hit rock bottom and it is then that the atheist creed has SFA to offer any one in real need. Pardon me for my curtness.

Aaaaaand what about gay people born into Chrstianity who consider suicide because they believe that their god has created them in a manner that is abominable before his eyes?

Black Swan

Donatello wrote: »

...whilst atheism is a creed of despair

"Atheism is a creed?" Is this a figure of speech that has inherent contradictions and adds confusion to the discussion?

Recommend that the OP read a short but meaningful book about someone else that inquired into the act of suicide, as well as finding hope in life: Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor E. Frankl.

Donatello just go get help

fatmammycat

Donatello wrote: »

I didn't say they were all depressed. But if there is no God and your life is an irrelevant coincidence, then one could be forgiven for thinking life is **** and without meaning or purpose or hope or love and thus despairing.

It's all very well being one of the cocky clique of perpetually cynical new atheists when everything is seemingly going swimmingly, but in the real world, real people hit rock bottom and it is then that the atheist creed has SFA to offer any one in real need. Pardon me for my curtness.

Gosh you mean atheists never lose loved ones or have problems or illness? Woot! How lucky I am to be part of this magical way of living.
Here's a thought, if there is no god then one ought to make the most of the one life they have to live. Your projection is getting ridiculous.

Donatello

I'm religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

TrollHammaren wrote: »

Aaaaaand what about gay people born into Chrstianity who consider suicide because they believe that their god has created them in a manner that is abominable before his eyes?

Don't tell vicious lies. The inclination in itself is not sinful - it is the homosexual act that is sinful. Whilst we may not choose our attractions, we do choose our actions, and for them we alone are responsible.

It must be tiresome to be filled with so much hate and cynicism. I'm not just referring to you, but to the litany of sarcasm and abuse I have received on this thread through numerous posts. I can only pray for you all.

fatmammycat

Donatello wrote: »

Don't tell vicious lies. The inclination in itself is not sinful - it is the homosexual act that is sinful. Whilst we may not choose our attractions, we do choose our actions, and for them we alone are responsible.

It must be tiresome to be filled with so much hate and cynicism. I'm not just referring to you, but to the litany of sarcasm and abuse I have received on this thread through numerous posts. I can only pray for you all.

Go right ahead, if it makes YOU feel better about yourself.

Zillah

Donatello wrote: »

I can only pray for you all.

Thar she blows!

Irish Fire

Donatello wrote: »

Don't tell vicious lies. The inclination in itself is not sinful - it is the homosexual act that is sinful. Whilst we may not choose our attractions, we do choose our actions, and for them we alone are responsible.

It must be tiresome to be filled with so much hate and cynicism. I'm not just referring to you, but to the litany of sarcasm and abuse I have received on this thread through numerous posts. I can only pray for you all.

Sarcasm and abuse?? More of the same tripe like you started on the "where do you find rest" thread.......... I think it's YOU that needs the prayer......

swiftblade

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Donatello wrote: »

Don't tell vicious lies. The inclination in itself is not sinful - it is the homosexual act that is sinful. Whilst we may not choose our attractions, we do choose our actions, and for them we alone are responsible.

Oh right. So being homosexual yet having to control your urges because you are christian, never able to love. No, that wouldn't drive anybody to suicide...

Irish Fire

swiftblade wrote: »

Oh right. So being homosexual yet having to control your urges because you are christian, never able to love. No, that wouldn't drive anybody to suicide...

Ah he'll tell you next that Homosexuals can't find love....

Donatello

I'm religious and I believe I won't stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

swiftblade wrote: »

Oh right. So being homosexual yet having to control your urges because you are christian, never able to love. No, that wouldn't drive anybody to suicide...

I don't doubt your good intentions, however, such a nihilistic view actually serves to imprison people. You set up an absolute and grim dogma that fulfilment in life, and even the possibility to love must, and can only come through sexual intimacy. That's a terribly impoverished view of human existence. Lots of people, for various reasons, are not engaging in sexual activity and are fulfilled and love abundantly. I suggest you need to look again at your anaemic understanding of what love is.

Irish Fire

Donatello wrote: »

I don't doubt your good intentions, however, such a nihilistic view actually serves to imprison people. You set up an absolute and grim dogma that fulfilment in life, and even the possibility to love must, and can only come through sexual intimacy. That's a terribly impoverished view of human existence. Lots of people, for various reasons, are not engaging in sexual activity and are fulfilled and love abundantly. I suggest you need to look again at your anaemic understanding of what love is.

Does sexual intimacy between 2 people that love each other not for the want of a better epression "set there relationship in stone". After all sexual intimacy is nothing without love, so why therefore should it matter what sex the couples are?

Knasher

Donatello wrote: »

I don't doubt your good intentions, however, such a nihilistic view actually serves to imprison people. You set up an absolute and grim dogma that fulfilment in life, and even the possibility to love must, and can only come through sexual intimacy. That's a terribly impoverished view of human existence. Lots of people, for various reasons, are not engaging in sexual activity and are fulfilled and love abundantly. I suggest you need to look again at your anaemic understanding of what love is.

Wait, are you seriously arguing that forbidding homosexual people from being sexually intimate if they so wish, is actually freeing them? Because that's just silly.

oldrnwisr

I'm religious and I believe I'll stay alive in some way if I commit suicide

Donatello wrote: »

Don't tell vicious lies.

The fact of the matter is that gay teens do have a higher suicide rate, particularly as a result of homophobic bullying. In fact, in a study of British secondary school students conducted by Ian Rivers of Brunel University, more than half of those questioned had contemplated suicide as a result of homophobic bullying and 40% of those had attempted it on more than one occasion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2001/oct/02/schools.uk3

Original study:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20573608

I wonder where those bullies got the idea that being gay was wrong from?:rolleyes: