Who wants this bleedin Queen?

gbee

Are ye all listening on 96FM the whole place will be closed, just as I predicted in another thread too BTW, but it's official now.

Anyone got time off coming, arrange to be away for her visit, this is total effin madness.

Owen

Hmmm.

Pros :
Increased volume of people in town = increased tourism = increased revenue. City Centre business finally getting some sort of a boost. English Market gets a facelift after a long time.

Cons :
Anti-English people get upset. Some people get inconvenienced for a day.

I think the Pros far outweight the Cons.

rebelccfc

What exactly will be closed OP? Can't listen in.

getz

gbee wrote: »

Are ye all listening on 96FM the whole place will be closed, just as I predicted in another thread too BTW, but it's official now.

Anyone got time off coming, arrange to be away for her visit, this is total effin madness.

Q..A enough people to want to close the place

gbee

rebelccfc wrote: »

What exactly will be closed OP? Can't listen in.

There is a bride to be mad as she cannot get her wedding photos taken in Fitzgerald's Park as it will be closed as will her routes in the area and the South Link.

So all the Mardyke the City Centre and the South Link ~

Sephiroth_dude

so all the shops are gonna be closed?

Ludo

So the city centre shut down for the whole day?
South link closed for the day also?
What about the south ring and airport road?

Any source for this with exact details?

What day is the visit anyway?

Sephiroth_dude

Ludo wrote: »

So the city centre shut down for the whole day?
South link closed for the day also?
What about the south ring and airport road?

Any source for this with exact details?

What day is the visit anyway?

20th of may which is a friday.

Corkfeen

I thought she was gonna interfere with my exams but apparently they shan't be thwarted by the monarch. So I couldn't care less about her visit now.

garhjw

i think people need to look at the bigger picture here. it might inconvenience some poeple with roads etc being closed for a day. however, this visit will generate massive publicity for cork which can only be positive. think about all the coverage on sky and bbc. i think it will increase the number of tourists visiting cork this year and next

gbee

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Hmmm. Some people get inconvenienced for a day.

An inconvenience is closing St Patrick's Street as she drives through and for the ten minutes she'll stay in the Market, like it's not like she'll be shopping for a bargain banana, chicken or fish, and I'm sure she's seen it all before.

We don't need to be perfect little English people ~ we were, we have a "Lord" Mayor, seemingly we're not far removed in spirit.

gbee

garhjw wrote: »

i think it will increase the number of tourists visiting cork this year and next

Unlikely we'll be covered, Paul Byrne will probably get a five second slot on SKY as an also she went to ...

I don't buy the extra business and tourist thing, lonely planet gave us a great write up and then rubbished us a few issues later [presumably because we did not take out the appropriate amount of advertising]?

stephendevlin

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Hmmm.

Pros :
Increased volume of people in town = increased tourism = increased revenue. City Centre business finally getting some sort of a boost. English Market gets a facelift after a long time.

Cons :
Anti-English people get upset. Some people get inconvenienced for a day.

I think the Pros far outweight the Cons.

Boost????

The place will be wrecked. This is worse that the orange order marching in capital. I can't see this thing going down too well.

Sephiroth_dude

No bus service either i'm guessing?

evilivor

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

No bus service either i'm guessing?

I'd imagine the City Council will be encouraging Park and Ride for people to come to the city centre for the festival they are putting on. That's what they normally do.

The Lord Mayor is hoping schools in Cork will give their pupils a half day on the day of the visit too.

x43r0

I've to get to the airport early on that Friday morning. As long as I can get to the airport from the city centre I don't give a crap what she does here

evilivor

x43r0 wrote: »

I've to get to the airport early on that Friday morning. As long as I can get to the airport from the city centre I don't give a crap what she does here

I think the airport is just closed in the afternoon to facilitate the departure - they go to Cashel in the morning, Cork in the afternoon.

cornbb

Nobody would give half as much of a crap about all these relatively minor inconveniences if Obama or the Pope or any other such high profile figure came to cork. There's something about the Queen's visit that are making people bat**** crazy. I was driving around east Cork yesterday and saw a load of hand-painted signs on lampposts saying "Queen not welcome in Cork" and all this. It reminded me a bit of those flag waving RIRA numpties on the news over the weekend, although far less extreme of course.

I don't really care about the comings and goings of the old lady myself. What's in the past is in the past. We've never even had such an uproar about British PMs coming to visit, and the office of PM has been responsible for the terrible policy decisions regarding Ireland over the centuries. The monarch is powerless but is just a figurehead for stupid armchair republican hatred. If "the place will be wrecked" then it'll be the result of the actions of scumbags, not the result of the head of state of our closest neighbour.

man.about.town

stephendevlin wrote: »

Boost????

The place will be wrecked. This is worse that the orange order marching in capital. I can't see this thing going down too well.

its very sad to see how grown men/women cant show there maturity to behave like decent human beings and welcome the queen of england. ireland and england have moved along way from the past. we owe most of our prosperity (obviously in a recession it doesnt feel like that) to england.

i for one, as an irishman and a dubliner welcome the queen of england with open arms and wish her the best.

man.about.town

evilivor wrote: »

I think the airport is just closed in the afternoon to facilitate the departure - they go to Cashel in the morning, Cork in the afternoon.

why?
shes flying directly to baldonnell airfield, 17th to 19th.

gbee

man.about.town wrote: »

i for one, as an irishman and a dubliner welcome the queen of england with open arms and wish her the best.

I think you'll find that is against Buckingham Palaces's protocols. You offer your hand only if she offers hers, you shake gently, and bow slightly, ladies curtsy. I think a simply "Gooday Ma'm" is all that's required and you don't offer the Queen anything, unless you are her host.

One would expect someone to know these things, jeees. Eye's up to heaven!

cornbb

gbee wrote: »

I think you'll find that is against Buckingham Palaces's protocols. You offer your hand only if she offers hers, you shake gently, and bow slightly, ladies curtsy. I think a simply "Gooday Ma'm" is all that's required and you don't offer the Queen anything, unless you are her host.

One would expect someone to know these things, jeees. Eye's up to heaven!

According to a letter in the Irish Times last week, only British subjects are expected to do those things, not us.

evilivor

man.about.town wrote: »

why?
shes flying directly to baldonnell airfield, 17th to 19th.

She's in Cork on the 20th.

SeaFields

gbee wrote: »

I think you'll find that is against Buckingham Palaces's protocols. You offer your hand only if she offers hers, you shake gently, and bow slightly, ladies curtsy. I think a simply "Gooday Ma'm" is all that's required and you don't offer the Queen anything, unless you are her host.

One would expect someone to know these things, jeees. Eye's up to heaven!

Subjects of the crown are required to bow. We don't have to so a simple "How's it going girl, watcha tink of the Cark?!" should suffice. :pac:

stephendevlin

man.about.town wrote: »

its very sad to see how grown men/women cant show there maturity to behave like decent human beings and welcome the queen of england. ireland and england have moved along way from the past. we owe most of our prosperity (obviously in a recession it doesnt feel like that) to england.

i for one, as an irishman and a dubliner welcome the queen of england with open arms and wish her the best.

Behaving like decent human beings is not within some peoples comprehensions unfortunately.

What exactly are you welcoming?

flash1080

man.about.town wrote: »

its very sad to see how grown men/women cant show there maturity to behave like decent human beings and welcome the queen of england. ireland and england have moved along way from the past. we owe most of our prosperity (obviously in a recession it doesnt feel like that) to england.

i for one, as an irishman and a dubliner welcome the queen of england with open arms and wish her the best.

It's sad to see grown men/women so immature that they criticise anyone who dares not welcome Liz Windsor with open arms.

two wheels good

gbee wrote: »

I think you'll find that is against Buckingham Palaces's protocols. You offer your hand only if she offers hers, you shake gently, and bow slightly, ladies curtsy. I think a simply "Gooday Ma'm" is all that's required and you don't offer the Queen anything, unless you are her host.

One small correction: One greets her majesty with "Your Majesty" at first and then one is required to say simply "M'am" thereafter.
I hope you can remember that on the day and nervousness doesn't cause you to muddle it up. Which would be simply frightful!

Welcome queen Liz. The people of the UK have been welcoming to the Irish for many years - and solving some of our social problems. I don't think it too much to ask that we can be civil in welcoming their monarch.
Getting on with your neighbours is worth a little effort - and traffic inconvenience.

Corkblowin

flash1080 wrote: »

It's sad to see grown men/women so immature that they criticise anyone who dares not welcome Liz Windsor with open arms.

I won't criticise anyone who doesn't welcome her - but I will criticise idiots who actively cause trouble just because she is coming to visit. I don't see why the place should be wrecked as some think will happen, or why gardai or army people just doing their jobs will be jeered and abused. If you're not happy shes coming, then be an adult and just ignore it - she'll be gone again soon enough.

gbee

two wheels good wrote: »

One small correction: One greets her majesty with "Your Majesty" .

Silly me, one should know, shouldn't one.

Many thanks for pointing that out.

I'm not particularly bothered by the queen coming to visit, I am however, rather apprehensive that there'll be trouble. There's plenty of scumbags just looking for an excuse to cause mayhem.

Look at what happened in Dublin for the Love Ulster parade, I imagine we may get some similar "recreational rioting" here (and in Dub too).

stephendevlin

SeaFields wrote: »

Subjects of the crown are required to bow. We don't have to so a simple "How's it going girl, watcha tink of the Cark?!" should suffice. :pac:

Do we have an Irish version of mr bean lol

gbee

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not particularly bothered by the queen coming "recreational rioting" here

Riots? You might have a point, I don't actually think feelings are very strong on the subject, mostly people don't seem to care and this thread started because the visit actually interferes with a wedding that would have been planned years before anyone thought of asking the Queen to drop in, like seein' as yer in the country anyway for something else.

So one bride to be is forced to care and has to make effectively last minute changes to her day [now these changes can be made and the day may even be all the better for it too but ..].

stephendevlin

http://youtu.be/3NxikaY8TjQ

flash1080

Corkblowin wrote: »

I won't criticise anyone who doesn't welcome her - but I will criticise idiots who actively cause trouble just because she is coming to visit. I don't see why the place should be wrecked as some think will happen, or why gardai or army people just doing their jobs will be jeered and abused. If you're not happy shes coming, then be an adult and just ignore it - she'll be gone again soon enough.

Signs and peaceful protests aren't trouble so everything should be grand.

H8GHOTI

man.about.town wrote: »

...i for one, as an irishman and a dubliner welcome the queen of england with open arms and wish her the best...

gbee wrote: »

...You offer your hand only if she offers hers, you shake gently, and bow slightly, ladies curtsy. I think a simply "Gooday Ma'm" is all that's required...

cornbb wrote: »

According to a letter in the Irish Times last week, only British subjects are expected to do those things, not us.

SeaFields wrote: »

Subjects of the crown are required to bow. We don't have to so a simple "How's it going girl, watcha tink of the Cark?!" should suffice. :pac:

You could do a Ronan O'Gara on it if ya wanted.

JohnMearsheimer

I think the Queen's visit can only be a good thing for Cork City. It might be inconvenient for some but it's just a day. Her visit to Ireland is an important step forward in Anglo-Irish relations.

man.about.town

flash1080 wrote: »

It's sad to see grown men/women so immature that they criticise anyone who dares not welcome Liz Windsor with open arms.

im not criticizing anyone who does not welcome the queen but i am saying straight out that the thugs and scumbags who will protest and attempt to cause general unrest will give ireland a very bad name(the media eyes of the world will be on us). im saying they should act there age and be mature about the head of state of our closest neighbour coming to Ireland, it is totally unacceptable to disrespect the head of a state.

the queen of england was shown the height of respect and courtesy by the germans when she visited there, there was no riots or mass protests. and dont forget that in her lifetime hundreds of thousands of innocent german men, women and children were killed during the battle of berlin from sustained bombings of raf pilots directed to bomb civilian areas and dont forget her father was also the commander in chief of the nations military at the time.

i suppose that mature approach to the past is why Germany is leading Europe in growth.

ShamoBuc

The queens visit will be a good thing it nothing bad happens. If something bad happens then it would have been better off if she had never come in the first place.
Personally I've no problem with her coming over, but I think it could be a bad idea á la let the orange fellas march down the middle of o'connell street.

stephendevlin

ShamoBuc wrote: »

The queens visit will be a good thing it nothing bad happens. If something bad happens then it would have been better off if she had never come in the first place.
Personally I've no problem with her coming over, but I think it could be a bad idea á la let the orange fellas march down the middle of o'connell street.

Queen Elizabeth is to visit Ireland at the invitation of the Irish president Mary Mcaleese

That daft woman... cost us €25,000,000 in the times we need it the most.
Inviting a woman that most do not want to see or really give a hoot about.

Ludo

stephendevlin wrote: »

Queen Elizabeth is to visit Ireland at the invitation of the Irish president Mary Mcaleese

That daft woman... cost us €25,000,000 in the times we need it the most.
Inviting a woman that most do not want to see or really give a hoot about.

While all the above may well be true...we also gotta be nice to our neighbours who are helping dig us out of this hole we are in. They are our biggest market for our export goods and they are chipping in with a loan of a few billions (at a time when they are drastically cutting back also and need it themselves...and yes, I know they are only doing it to save their own banks if we default).

evilivor

stephendevlin wrote: »

Queen Elizabeth is to visit Ireland at the invitation of the Irish president Mary Mcaleese

That daft woman... cost us €25,000,000 in the times we need it the most.
Inviting a woman that most do not want to see or really give a hoot about.

Confused who are you calling a daft woman - Queen Elizabeth or the President?

Also, where on earth are you getting the 25 million euro figure from?

stephendevlin

evilivor wrote: »

Confused who are you calling a daft woman - Queen Elizabeth or the President?

Also, where on earth are you getting the 25 million euro figure from?

Apparantly thats the bill for her board / security / etc

mrsbrightside

I think it's a good things shes coming, I not at all interested in the Royals or supporting them or anything, but it shows we as a country are moving on from all the negative things in the past bit by bit.

evilivor

stephendevlin wrote: »

Apparantly thats the bill for her board / security / etc

That's for the Obama visit and the Royal Visit.

Sonics2k

evilivor wrote: »

That's for the Obama visit and the Royal Visit.

And the Dalai Lama.

jank

Seriously..!!Who gives a rats ass!

CHealy

jank wrote: »

Seriously..!!Who gives a rats ass!

People are trying to have a conversation on the pro's and con's of the Queen visiting, and you reply with this?? Well I honestly dont know where I would be without you, I didnt know if I was supposed to care or not, but now that you said no one gives a rat ass, Im glad you were there to speak for all of us.

Childish.

Big Tone

Ronan O Gara was a bit ignorant in that photo, by keeping his hands in his pockets he showed contempt. That was his choice but it didn't look good and the look on his team-mates faces said it all.

I don't have a problem with her visit. I don't agree with the OP's bias.

The country is at peace for quite some time now so the time is right for visit from a foreign dignitary, albeit from our nearest neighbour.

Maybe she will invite Ireland to become part of the Commonwealth, if she did that she would be helping this country enormously now that we have brought it to it's knees thanks to so-called "experts" who tipped Ireland over the edge.

It's time for some good news stories and the Queen and Obama visits are just the tonic we need right now.

miss_shadow

What I find quite odd is the ones who are so against anything English yet they don't mind shopping in London, going away to manchester to watch their favourite team play.. eat uk food...etc.

I really do not understand this moronic attitude!

nattyguest

H8GHOTI wrote: »

You could do a Ronan O'Gara on it if ya wanted.

Thank you Ronan for delivering this image -the look on Brian O'Driscoll's face is absolutely classic.

I believe however that the photo was taken out of skew and have read that this was actually in the informal chatter stage, and that either before or after the photo above he presented himself a little differently:



Back to Cork - is there anything official confirmed yet on what will be closed and not closed?

Personally, regardless of my views on Hereditary Rule and Monarchies in general, I think anything which has a chance to increase trade and revenue for a day or two is worth a shot. I guess the majority of people are indifferent to her comings and goings. My English wife certainly has no interest in the matter.

eastbono

Tbh I wont be taking a day off work for the Queens visit but England has for years and is now so more important a place where unfortunately our unemployed have had to seek work and have been accepted. In my family alone I have had 2 uncles and 2 aunts who are now deceased had a great living in England and were totally accepted there. Its amazing how times repeat themselves... my daughter now lives and works in England and has been totally accepted and integrated with her English friends ,housemates and work colleagues.